TCV Q&A: Lip mics, ‘freakers’ & facing criticism

27 Mar 2026 · 51 min · 21 chapters

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This episode of The Commentator’s View (BBC Football Daily) is a live Q&A where John Murray, Ian Dennis, and Alistair Bruce Ball answer listener questions about football commentary craft and media work. Topic highlights: why they use “lip mics” (Cole’s Lip Mics) instead of boom/headset mics; how commentary teams get match assignments and travel; how summariser pairings are decided; how commentators handle personal opinions and online criticism; and what stats and euphemisms are useful on air. Guests/backgrounds: the “guests” are the three regular hosts—Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray, and Ian Dennis—BBC football commentators with experience across radio, stadiums, and major tournaments (including World Cups and Champions League). Key claims/examples: lip mics cut stadium noise for clearer audio; effects mics capture ambient stadium sound (e.g., a Masters at the Gulf incident where a boom voice carried too far). Travel is arranged via BBC Sports with notice windows (e.g., 3pm games can move from two weeks to 10 days to five days). Pairings are editorial/production decisions; examples include Sutton, Shearer joining teams, and recruiting Thomas Frank. They stress “fair comment,” not bias, and avoid social media criticism. Notable examples include “freaker” language for streakers and stats needing radio-friendly context (e.g., Leverkusen home record).

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Listener Question on Microphones

1:38 to 2:27

Discussion on the use of lip mics versus traditional boom mics in commentary.

“and the mailbag is bulging, to use a phrase.”

Benefits of Lip Mics in Commentary

2:27 to 4:34

Explore how lip mics improve sound quality and reduce background noise during broadcasts.

“It feels like in this day and age there could be something smaller to use.”

Experiences with Football Commentary

4:34 to 7:22

Hosts share anecdotes about memorable commentary experiences and working with technicians.

“But I stood a little further away from him on the Sunday.”

Cultural Insights from Brazilian Collaborators

7:22 to 8:08

Discussing interesting cultural interactions and language experiences with Brazilian colleagues.

“it just reminded me of Jefferson and learning his English and when you left the dinner table, you must tell that story because I love that story.”

Match Preparation and Travel Arrangements

8:08 to 11:12

Details on how commentators learn about their assignments and manage travel logistics.

“there's a whole generation of people who say shall we when they mean to leave and get the bill.”

Building Rapport with Co-commentators

11:12 to 13:29

Exploring the importance of rapport and communication between commentators before matches.

“your travel plans will be made a bit later.”

Working with Chris Sutton: Experiences and Insights

14:03 to 17:19

Listeners will learn about the rapport built between commentators and the dynamics of working together.

“To which I replied, I mean, there was never any chance of Scott Sinclair ever getting anywhere near the England squad.”

Choosing Commentators: Pairing Decisions and Processes

17:20 to 19:48

The segment explains how commentators are paired for matches and the criteria involved in those decisions.

“But I think the answer to the question to Malcolm is it is really essentially an editorial decision, a production and editorial decision who works with who and also which summarizers are chosen as well.”

The Evolution of Media Careers for Footballers

19:49 to 23:02

Discussion on how former footballers are increasingly pursuing media careers and insights into this trend.

“and I was sat down in our commage position at St.”

Commentary Techniques: Balancing Personal Views

23:03 to 24:26

Insights on how commentators maintain objectivity while expressing opinions during broadcasts.

“I can't think of any examples like that but I remember someone's boot came off and he talked about someone losing a slipper like that, which I just thought, you know, it's just different, isn't it?”
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The Fine Line: Commentary vs. Personal Feelings

24:27 to 27:36

The hosts discuss the challenges of separating personal feelings from professional commentary.

“I think you've got to just commentate on how you see it.”

Upcoming Football Events

28:00 to 28:24

Learn about the upcoming football matches and commentary on various leagues.

Fan Experiences at Games

30:20 to 31:23

Hear insights from the commentators on their experiences as fans attending matches.

“And we will do this one from another Ian in Ellesmere Port.”

Personal Traditions and Observations

31:23 to 34:18

The hosts share personal traditions and insights about attending live sports.

“Very much no, the answer to the last question.”

Importance of Data in Commentary

34:18 to 37:22

Explore the utility and challenges of using statistical data in football commentary.

“yeah yeah but watching him take it all in and see it for the first time has been a great joy but I also like you John I love live sport, whether working at it or attending.”

Favorite and Least Favorite Football Shirts

37:22 to 42:00

Discussion on commentators' opinions about iconic football shirts and their challenges in commentary.

“Yeah, I mean, it's changed massively, hasn't it?”

The Importance of Football Jargon

42:00 to 43:09

Learn how football jargon can vary in understanding among fans.

“You've got to be careful with jargon in that, you know, our generation might be very well aware of what some of the current jargon that is used in terms of football facts and statistics are concerned.”

Commentating Challenges with Football Shirts

43:10 to 45:15

Discover the difficulties in commentating due to unclear shirt numbers.

“But Ian will love to answer this question.”

Favorite Football Shirts and Nostalgia

45:16 to 46:36

Explore the hosts' favorite football shirts and the nostalgia they invoke.

“I've just been in Italy and I do love an Italian football shirt.”

Handling Online Criticism in Commentary

46:37 to 49:48

Understand how social media affects commentators and their styles.

“Let's have this one from Max from Hailing Island near Portsmouth.”

Dream TV Roles for Commentators

49:49 to 52:29

Listen to the hosts discuss their ideal television roles beyond commentary.

“Yeah, so Mark's appeared on a few recently hasn't he?”
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1:16Ali Bruce-Ball:The Commentator's View on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray, and Ian Dennis.

1:23Ian Dennis:Hello, this is the Football Daily. I'm John Murray, and welcome to this special edition of The Commentator's View, as we five live commentators answer listeners' questions this week. Ian Dennis and Alistair Bruce Ball are with us, and the mailbag is bulging, to use a phrase. Shall we put that into the glossary on another edition? The mailbag is bulging.

1:46Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, I mean, you used to hear that sort of thing on Swap Shop on a Saturday morning, didn't you?

1:50Ian Dennis:Yeah, or similarly, in your comic.

1:55Ali Bruce-Ball:Yes.

1:56Ian Dennis:Whenever you receive your comment, we'd all say the mailbag has been bulging. Anyway, the mailbag has been bulging in a kind of sense. TCV at bbc.co.uk. WhatsApps and voice notes to 08000 289 369. Always welcome on whatever subject related to football commentary, sports commentary. But in this edition, we have a starter for 10 from Louise in Derbyshire. I'm really curious to know why you still use the really big mics when you're commentating. It feels like in this day and age there could be something smaller to use. Can you tell me why? Thank you. Well, Louise, that's a very good question. They're actually not so much big mics as lip mics, aren't they?

2:41Ian Dennis:That's what we call them, Cole's Lip Mics. And all three of us are holding Cole's Lip Mics to record this very podcast, aren't we, Ian? We are, but it's interesting because when I was at local radio for Leeds and Newcastle, I don't know what it was like for you two, but I used a boom mic, whereas you'd have, you know, like a very similar to the headset, you'd see a pilot wear, where you've got the mouthpiece coming down connected to one of the earpieces, and then it would just sit in front of your mouth, whereas you physically have to hold this lip mic. obviously it just rests on the upper lip and it cuts out a lot of the noise whereas the boom mic would attract all sorts of the surrounding noise the lip mic cuts that out and it's very old school exactly and it

3:22Ali Bruce-Ball:stops the external noise bleeding in so that our voices are crystal clear and when you're in big football stadiums in particular you need that but louise what we've also got because obviously you can hear the sound of the stadium is our sound engineers will have other microphones what we would call effects microphones positioned in certain places to separately pick up that sound and then they mix the two so that the balance is correct. Really good example of this, actually, John, I think, is at last year's Masters at the Gulf, Brian, our good friend who commentates for American Radio, who stands alongside us on the back row of the Grandstand at the 15th Green, actually complained to me on the Saturday that basically my booming voice went all across the USA when Rory McIlroy hit a stunning second shot into the 15th green.

4:13Ali Bruce-Ball:And it's because he wasn't on. I mean, we're not on lip mics there, but he's not on a lip mic there. And I got so carried away and was so close to him that basically all they could hear on American radio was me shouting all over his commentary. And Brian is the loveliest man in the world. And it had obviously caused him a bit of a problem. And I felt terrible about it. But I stood a little further away from him on the Sunday.

4:37Ian Dennis:they yeah that's not usually a complaint we would get at the golf is it your voice carrying out too far but i think as well just to to further answer louise's question i think and actually we should get one of our engineers on shouldn't we on onto the uh commentator's view podcast at some stage just to talk about this aspect of what we do because they're absolutely they're pivotal part of the team, aren't they? And as I always say, on a Saturday afternoon, if I'm in the car, particularly now in the world of digital radio, I love listening, Ian, while you're doing the commentary and linking around to other grounds because I think more than ever before now, the different sounds that you get from the different stadiums are so different and, you know, are part of the fabric of the programme and how it sounds.

5:29Ian Dennis:And a lit mic is a big part of that because you have your lip mic, but you will also have an effects mic out as well, which captures the more wider sound of the football stadium in which you're working. But my personal feeling is that the lip mic, as opposed to the headset, where you've got an open mic, as you described, Ian, I think the quality is significantly better with a lip mic in terms of what comes out of the radio, as opposed to the open mic from the headset. It is, and you can also tell when people are doing it off-tube because the sound is too clear. And therefore, there is no substitute for actually being inside the stadium.

6:10And that is where I think the lip mic just brings that authentic sound to a commentary.

6:16Ali Bruce-Ball:And just on the brilliant job that all our engineers do, it reminded me, Tanya was with me in Germany doing Leverkusen against Arsenal. And Tanya is not a massive football fan. she works on lots of other different events like live music in particular that that you know she has a passion for and really enjoys but it i think a lot of people would presume right you're working on the football you love football but but tanya actually is concentrating on her element of the job but doesn't particularly doesn't particularly enjoy the football necessarily and it also reminded me john do you remember jefferson in brazil who was one of our fixers who was a very interesting chap who wasn't massively into his football for a young Brazilian man again you just presume that everyone's into the football and I remember him sitting in a press room at one game Brazil were playing live in the World Cup he had a ticket to go and watch the game and he decided to read his book down in the media cafe rather than watch the football I couldn't believe that

7:11Ian Dennis:so there we are I hope that answers the question Louise I actually don't feel right unless I am holding a lip mic for commentary.

7:21Ali Bruce-Ball:Can you also, John, it just reminded me of Jefferson and learning his English and when you left the dinner table, you must tell that story because I love that story. Jefferson using your phrase. So whenever you leave somewhere quite often, this is brilliant, this is brilliant.

7:39Ian Dennis:Yeah, so with Jefferson, to be honest, I still use it. I've used it for years and years. When it comes to the point where it is time to leave and we need to pay the bill, I do often say, shall we? And Jefferson picked up on this and actually got to the point where he would say, is it now time for shall we? So there's every chance now in Brazil there's a whole generation of people who say shall we when they mean to leave and get the bill.

8:14Ali Bruce-Ball:So I came across it because he worked with different teams. you'd come into his city and then you'd work with him and you'd been with him. And it was at the end of One Meal where he turned to us and he said, and I knew it had come from you, he said, shall we do a shall we? Which I thought was just...

8:30Ian Dennis:Yes, great memories of Porto Alegre with Jefferson. Moving on. Spurs fan Sean in Kent. John mentioned one of the questions he gets asked most often is, how far in advance do you know what matches you're doing? He said a few weeks, but didn't give any further details. How do you find out? Email? Call? WhatsApp? Do you arrange your own travel? John has somebody who does it for him. I think you're well-placed to answer this one, Ian, because there's nothing you enjoy more than getting a hotel request in early, do you? Well, the thing is, Sean, is that I like to prepare and I like to plan ahead, whereas a certain John Murray is a little bit more laid back, should we say.

9:17Laissez faire. Like a days ago.

9:22Ali Bruce-Ball:It'll be different, won't it, for all three of us, I guess. And occasionally I would ask a question on WhatsApp just to get an update on which summariser I might be with or whatever. But it tends to be a phone call. You know, Ross the boss will get in touch, say, three weeks, maybe at the start of the month, actually, and try and map out your month and where you're going to be, and then you start to think about your travel around that. I would book some of my own travel, some of my train tickets and that sort of thing, but it tends to be a mix, doesn't it, I find, really? Yeah.

9:53Ian Dennis:All of the above. It's a mix, and we have a team, don't we, at BBC Sports in the football department, who their job is to look after the arrangements and such like, But I personally like to try and do as much of it as I can myself, because then you can make a quick decision, can't you, if you do it that way? So most of my travel, certainly domestically, I will just look after myself. The other thing, Sean, as well, is that when Ali and John are doing games on a Sunday, they will know, you know, the standout game at 4.30 or the particular fixture at 2 o 'clock. Regarding the Saturday 3 o 'clock, the early parts of the season, we have to nominate that game two weeks in advance.

10:36And then sometime in the new year, it goes to a 10-day notice. And then in the very latter stages, from the start of April, we have to give the Premier League five days notice for what is going to be our Saturday 3 o 'clock game to give us a greater degree of flexibility as there's obviously so much riding on it as you get towards the latter stages of the Premier League season. But that will hopefully give you more of a time frame as to when the Premier League games need to be designated for a three o 'clock on a Saturday afternoon.

11:04Ali Bruce-Ball:Yes, so basically, Denny, you know throughout the season, don't you, that Saturday three o 'clock, that is your gig. If you're working, you're there. As it gets towards the end of the season, your travel plans will be made a bit later. I can see Sean goes on to say, actually, when do you find out who your summariser will be do you have much contact ahead of the match that that's a good question with the summariser and is sometimes when you turn up at the stadium the first time you've ever met or spoken to them um i i think i probably learned it from you too when i started out but a phone call to the summariser a day before or a couple of days before the game you know at a major tournament obviously we're with them all the time and we spend a load time with them but that's such a useful thing to do isn't it John just to a remind each other that you're both going to the game but actually just just just have a chat particularly if it's someone

11:51Ian Dennis:you've never worked with before whereas I do always like to spend some time on the day of the match if we've never worked together before just to have a chat about how it's going to work together and I think that that helps probably to put them at ease as well just to get an idea of how this is actually going to work? I had that recently with Rachel Corsi, who I've got to say, it was a pleasure to work with. But we just sat down at St. James' Park and I said, this is what, you know, the penalty area is mine. Any other time, we just keep chatting in between to be nice and relaxed. I don't take myself too seriously.

12:30And we got on really, really well. And hopefully I'll be working with her many more times as well, because I've got to say, I really enjoyed her company.

12:37Ali Bruce-Ball:I always remember going over.

12:38Ian Dennis:I'm seriously over Clash of the Commentators. I know that much.

12:43Ali Bruce-Ball:I always remember going over to Brazil for the World Cup in 2014 and my first couple of games were with Brad Friedel. But we had two days together before our first game to get accredited and spend a bit of time together. And that was absolutely invaluable because it meant by the time you got on air, we got to know each other a little bit. And not only discuss the sort of intricacies like you're talking there, Ian, of how it's going to work technically and how you're going to commentate together. But actually, I sort of worked out where I could go with him, where we could have a bit of fun, what our common interests were, you know, when something dips in the game.

13:17And, you know, they all have different personalities

13:20Ali Bruce-Ball:and will operate in different ways. So I always think that time off air and the longer you work with someone, obviously the better rapport you're going to build.

13:29Ian Dennis:Do you know what? I think I am right in saying that I'd never met or spoken to Chris Sutton before we actually worked together for the first time. Really? I think I'm right in saying, which was, if I'm remembering right, it was an FA Cup match between Colchester and Tottenham. I think that was the first time that we'd actually spoken together. My first time with Chris Sutton was rather awkward, actually, because he'd said something on Twitter about Scott Sinclair, when he was a Celtic player, should be in the England squad. To which I replied, I mean, there was never any chance of Scott Sinclair ever getting anywhere near the England squad.

14:10And I put, you know, I dismissed his suggestion to which he quoted it and then retweeted it. So for a long time, I was getting battered by all these Celtic supporters who follow Chris Sutton. And I then had to work with him at Swansea. and it was uh i was a little apprehensive i've got to say but i went in with all guns blazing

14:34Ali Bruce-Ball:i remember ian so i think i might have done one or two games with chris before he and i ended up spending a lot of time together in russia and i remember going to meet chris at heathrow airport before flying out to russia and and being like i think yes like because of his reputation of what he was like as a player and with the media whatever slightly apprehensive we sat down had a coffee together for half an hour and i knew within 10 minutes that we were going to have an absolutely fantastic time and how good he was going to be to work with and he is i mean we all work with him a lot and he's a brilliant tourist as well as being brilliant on air he is great fun to spend time with off air isn't he with that in mind ali um malcolm from manchester says i recall from uefa and fifa competitions you pair people i.e abb and chris sutton which is always good stuff I'm just curious as to how it's decided well it's above my pay grade I mean that was an interesting one wasn't it guys because that World Cup in Russia provided certain challenges with the logistics so for that tournament we were actually paired weren't we we stayed as a team with our summariser producer and our fixer and then did the whole month together and very occasionally we'd all meet up in Moscow wouldn't we our paths would cross but you ended up commentating with the same person a lot but we don't always do it that way

16:01Ian Dennis:no and I already know ahead of the World Cup in the summer we are going to have a bit of variety aren't we in terms of the summarizers that we'll work with yeah but normally with England in particular you have a set England team don't you John you do but for example depending on how the matches fall and I think this is going to be the same this summer as well you know we've had times where, for example, Alan Shearer, if it's not a BBC TV commentary match, and the Euro 2024 semifinal was an example of this, where Alan Shearer would then join our radio commentary team for the semifinal. So for that match, where Matt Upson had been our England summariser all the way through, it then became Alan and Matt for that match.

16:51Ian Dennis:And I think there might well be an element of that in the coming summer as well.

16:56Ali Bruce-Ball:I think also from our bosses' point of view, I would say they can pair anyone with anyone and they know it's going to sound good. I can't think of anyone that I wouldn't want to commentate with on our team. Do you know what I mean? So you can put a team together for a spell of time and maybe some of the listeners enjoy listening to that pairing, but anyone is good with anyone. But I think the answer to the question to Malcolm is it is really essentially an editorial decision, a production and editorial decision who works with who and also which summarizers are chosen as well.

17:33Ian Dennis:because I think now one of the things that has quite dramatically changed over the course of the time that I've done this job is the sheer breadth of the number of former footballers who are now willing to think of the media as a genuine second career for them. That wasn't so much the case, and I think it is now quite a desirable thing to do. And we will often be asked as well, won't we, by producers or editors, if we have any ideas of who we think might want to do it and work with us, don't we?

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18:11Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, I mean, quite often I think when you're interviewing players, particularly towards the end of their careers, and the ones stick out, don't they, who are good talkers, as we would say, who you think might be good at it. Those are the kind of names you'd put forward. I was able to recruit Thomas Frank for the BBC for the Euros for Germany because we'd had a little get-together, and I said, do you fancy doing any media work? Got his agent's number, and the rest, as they say, is history.

18:41Ian Dennis:Didn't get a commission, though, or a finis fee. And also, sometimes I've found that you end up sitting and working with people that you would never, ever have expected would eventually go on to work in the media. I don't think there's any better example of that than Robbie Savage from the time I used to commentate on Robbie. I would never have expected in 100 years that he would end up working alongside us so often. And as well now, there are some that, you know, we do get asked, don't we, who do you think might work? And I know you've worked with Michael O 'Neill, Ian. And, you know, Michael's got his hands full at the moment with two jobs, never mind working in the media.

19:20Ian Dennis:But, you know, I always think that he's someone who I'd really like to work alongside. Because I think he's got a great deal to offer. and on a similar theme, Northern Ireland, Wales. Also falling into the category of someone that you would have thought, well, I wouldn't imagine that we'd ever work alongside him. I think Craig Bellamy would be an excellent summariser. I think he would have lots to say. There was a funny story with Michael O 'Neill very briefly because I'd worked with him at Newcastle and I was sat down in our commage position at St. James' Park and then maybe a couple of years later, I'd finished a game in Madrid, did the game with Chris Waddle And of course, he and Chris would have played together, I'm sure, at Newcastle.

20:02So I went up to Michael at the bar and I said, oh, Michael, I said, Ian Dennis, Five Live. And he sort of like took a step back, looked me up and down and went, you're tall, aren't you? And I went, yeah, but we have worked together. He said, yeah, but he said, you were sat down. I never realized how big you were.

20:20Ali Bruce-Ball:He didn't say that to me.

20:24Ian Dennis:Okay, this is a fun one. Matt in York has got in touch and he says, Did you hear what the commentator said during the Six Nations game between Italy and Scotland when a player suffered the misfortune to have his shorts and undergarments slip southwards? They're challenging most of the Scottish lineups now. Zandermin is huge for six foot eight seconds. Oh, hello. It was night time right now. One! Ah, it is both waxing and waning. okay scotland use anyway scotland on the attack again in good position andrew cotter in good form and matt says i just wondered if any of you chaps have ever seen a little bit too much during a game

21:09Ali Bruce-Ball:and had to search for a good euphemism that's a great example though isn't it of um it'd be great to get andrew cotter on this podcast because i do think he is one of the very best commentators that is quickness of thought, that, to come up with the Bon Mo without making it too obvious. Television's a different thing, isn't it? He doesn't have to describe what he's seeing there. People can see it. So you then need to add, you know, add the phrase, the right words to it. But I do think he is a genius, Andrew. He is a brilliant commentator.

21:41Ian Dennis:I mean, we've had time, not so much recently, but, you know, in times past, because it just doesn't seem to happen so often anymore. but the era of the streaker seems to have been consigned to history and that reminds me of the great test match special commentary with john arlett when these this was one of the first streakers wasn't i think it was an ashes test match and the guy runs on with no clothes on and uh and hurdles the stumps and john arlett says it's a freaker it's a freaker a freaker and he describes how the policeman how the policeman comes onto the field and catches him and takes him away and he says and I think he's seen his last cricket for the day and a freaker

22:32Ali Bruce-Ball:we've got a freaker down the wicket now not very shapely and it's masculine and I would think it's seen the last of its cricket for the day the police are mustard so are the cameramen and Greg Chappell and he's had his load, he's being embraced by a blonde policeman and this may be his last public appearance but what a splendid one the use of language, I mean we talk about that all the time in this pod don't we but the use of language, Bill McLaren was another one who just had a brilliant turn of phrase I can't think of any examples like that but I remember someone's boot came off and he talked about someone losing a slipper like that, which I just thought, you know, it's just different, isn't it?

23:17Ali Bruce-Ball:It's just such a skill.

23:19Ian Dennis:James in Brighton says, I was at the Brighton-Arsenal match, as were you, Ali, weren't you? Yeah. If I remember rightly. And James says, Frankly, I want Arsenal to give me my money back. I've got no problem with the fact they won, but the manner of the goal seemed to so discombobulate the Arsenal players, it made them so dizzy that they couldn't stand up afterwards. And I'm sure I saw Raya take a nap when he went down at the hour mark. Arsenal will be worthy champions, says James. But thank goodness I don't have to watch 11 millionaires fall down for 90 minutes every week. As commentators, whether you're for or against Arsenal's or any other team's style of play, how do you avoid your personal views entering your commentary?

24:08Ian Dennis:which is a very good question actually from James after he's vented his spleen there or says James do you vent it in the pub afterwards or maybe it's not such an issue for you since you watch so much football and have probably seen every sort of tactic in your time just before we answer that

24:24Ali Bruce-Ball:excellent question on the first part of that all teams do that and I think James knows that and Arsenal are there to be shot at at the moment and I'm you know I'm no Arsenal fan but that was particularly fuelled by fabian herzler talking about arsenal in the week in the run-up to the game and as soon as anything happened that night the brighton fans were on top of arsenal which exaggerated it even more i know what james is talking about you know and it does go on teams get ahead and and they do it but it's but it's it's extremely frustrating to watch it's extremely frustrating when it's against your team but it's it's not just arsenal who do that um what what What about, Denno, what would you say about the personal views entering your commentary?

25:10I think you've got to just commentate on how you see it. Recently, in a recent Champions League game, I thought the refereeing from the Italian Newcastle United-Barcelona was weak. And I thought that two Barcelona players should have been booked. And I was quite forthright in my opinion with that. I always find a greater difficulty on social media regarding personal opinions. Whereas I think when you're doing a commentary, you're very much off the cuff aren't you you're reacting to what you've seen

25:38Ali Bruce-Ball:yeah it's an interesting line to tread as well isn't it because obviously we during a commentary we have a summariser with us and their job is very much to not only provide the insight but bring the opinion but I think our listeners know we have watched plenty of football over the years and I think they don't want us just to be bland and I know our main job is to describe the action but they they want opinion and how we see it as well don't they yeah it's impossible i think it's impossible

26:08Ian Dennis:not to because we're watching sports we're commentating on it but we're watching sport and the emotion is in is such a big part of that isn't it it's it's almost impossible not to you know something happens that you feel deserves comment but it comes back to the basics of of our journalistic training, isn't it? That you want to be fair and as impartial as you can be. So as long as it's fair comment, then, you know, you are staying within the bounds of our terms of employment.

26:42Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, and it's about being professional. Yeah, I mean, and there is a divide.

26:48Ian Dennis:James asked the question, you know, do you have ended your feelings in the pub afterwards? Well, that's got to be for us as commentators. there has to be a very clear dividing line between what you would say on it and what you

27:01Ali Bruce-Ball:would say in the club afterwards yeah I mean not everyone would know this but you know I've been an Ipswich Town fan for a long time ever since I was a kid and I'm not you know I support them from afar now and you know I look out for their result whatever but I commentated on them in the Premier League last season and I don't think anyone could accuse me of of biasing I mean you're more likely to go the other way you're more likely to go against your own team than kind of than for your own team I mean in in all the years I've been doing this job they've not been in the Premier League very much so it's not really been much of a problem sadly

27:35Ian Dennis:Before we do more listeners questions just a moment to tell you about some of our Five Live commentaries this weekend if you are listening to this on Friday the day of release at 7.45 it will be England-Uruguay from Wembley the friendly international Saturday 1.30 Manchester United Manchester City at Old Trafford in the WSL then we'll be going around the grounds in League 1 and League 2 and on Sunday at midday more WSL as Chelsea play Aston Villa but lots and lots of commentary on all of those various internationals and I think some of the World Cup playoffs as well are absolutely fascinating so you'll hear all of that covered on 5 Live and BBC Sounds

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30:12Ali Bruce-Ball:The Commentator's View on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis. Right, Ian's got to shoot, so goodbye to Ian. And we will do this one from another Ian in Ellesmere Port. Dear TCV, I was amused in a recent edition of the podcast to hear John Murray say that he was present at the coupon-busting match between Harrogate Town and Cambridge United. Assuming that attending a League Two basement team's home match was not an official five-live assignment for the Chief. Very good, Ian. Could it be that John attended the match as a regular fan? I love the idea that even after a bi-weekly regime of premiership, Champions League and international commentaries, John's enthusiasm for football is still strong enough to want to watch League Two football in his downtime.

31:01Ali Bruce-Ball:I'd like to ask the team, how often do each of them manage to attend a game as a regular paying fan? Are you still able to lose yourself in the game, or are you still commentating along in your head, or searching for apt phrases that could be used in a future live commentary? Have you ever forgotten yourself and burst out into commentary mode, despite not having a microphone in hand? John?

31:23Ian Dennis:Very much no, the answer to the last question. And also, no, I'm not standing there commentating along in my head either. but you know recently you you went to watch six nations didn't you i mean i love to go and watch in the summer i love i love going to watch county championship cricket of which has become real a real thing for me over the course of um recent years when i get the opportunity and i enjoy going to pay to stand on the terraces and i enjoy experiencing that and seeing what it's like and what people do and you know well first and foremost i'm going to say the football match but um you know how how people are what they do how how yeah i think it's important to remember what what it's like to be there as a football fan and standing on the terraces and and actually a thing i think i've mentioned it on here a couple of times but so what's become a personal tradition now for me is right at the start of the season to pick a match in the very first weekend of the fa Cup.

32:30Ian Dennis:So the extra preliminary round, and I've done that now for a number of seasons. It tends to be the weekend before the Community Shield, and I really enjoy that. And also, that is great value. Whereas I find League 2 football is expensive. I think that's costly for a ticket. Obviously, there are various ways and schemes, and whether it's a season ticket or whatever it happens to be, that you can make it cheaper. But if you're buying one-off match for a League 2 game I think that's quite expensive

33:02Ali Bruce-Ball:and even that point in itself John I think is a really interesting one because it is very easy to forget what it's like for a match going fan and how much it costs because we are paid to go and commentate on football and actually just reminding yourself of that and the travel and the food and the tickets and the programs you know whatever level you're watching it and the commitment that fans put in yeah I think that's really important I mean I like Like you, I don't get to too much. One of my favourite things in life, and it's a completely different level, is actually watching my son play football and play rugby and play his sport.

33:38Ali Bruce-Ball:There's nothing I love more than that. And that's a completely different sort of sporting experience. But I adore that. But also actually taking him to Salisbury City locally. I mean, he's chosen Tottenham Hotspur as his team, which I warned him. I did warn him. but you know having taken him to a couple of games there which is obviously a completely different level has also been you know has also been has been great fun but more of that he might be he might be starting to

34:10Ian Dennis:follow Tottenham at just the right time could be decades of decades of relentless and never ending success ahead of yeah yeah

34:19Ali Bruce-Ball:but watching him take it all in and see it for the first time has been a great joy but I also like you John I love live sport, whether working at it or attending. So, like you say, I went to the Six Nations game. That's something I do once a year with a couple of pals. We pick an England game. This year we went over to Rome. And a lot of that obviously is about a couple of days away and having fun in Rome. I mean, it was a brilliant weekend. The sun shone. There were 20 ,000 England fans in the city. Not a hint of trouble. Italy won the game. I'm not that invested in England's performances that that really bothered me.

34:53Ali Bruce-Ball:It was brilliant to celebrate with the Italians. but just the experience of being at live sport is one of my favourite things to do. And if there's a chance to relax and do it without having to think about work, you know, all the better. When you were in the incredible Italian capital and everything that it has to offer,

35:13Ian Dennis:did you go to the bar that Ian Dennis recommended, which was, what was its name again? The Camden Town.

35:20Ali Bruce-Ball:I didn't. Where? You didn't go there. I didn't, no.

35:24Ian Dennis:I was surprised at that.

35:26Ali Bruce-Ball:I've saved that for another trip. I've told this, John, I've told Camden Town. I don't know what the crossover is between our listeners on the Commentator's View and the FPL podcast from BBC Sport. Probably a huge crossover there. So I have told this story. I'll tell it very briefly here just in case people are hearing it for a second time. On the final whistle, so you could obviously see Italy were about to win the game in the Stadio Olimpico, we were sitting amongst quite a lot of Italian fans and we'd been chatting to them during the game and talking about what a historic win it could possibly be.

35:56Ali Bruce-Ball:And I thought, I'm going to film this. I'm going to film the full-time whistle and the reaction in the stands around me because I think this is going to be really interesting. So the whistle goes, and I pan round. And it was brilliant. They're cavorting around and, you know, cock a hoop and dancing and singing. And then one of the chaps who I've been chatting to a bit during the game, I focused the camera in on him for a close-up because he was really lost in the moment. And he spotted me, and he looked straight at the camera and then unleash this stream of Italian invective towards me as an England fan, which I think was done in good humour, but it was a brilliant sort of moment to capture them enjoying their win.

36:35Ian Dennis:Yeah. And actually, going back to the question from Ian, one of the things that I really do enjoy about actually going there just as a normal paying member of the public is, you know, week in, week out, match in after match out, we have to be there hours in advance. And I really enjoy pitching up just as the teams are coming out and getting into position and seeing the start of the match and leaving straight after as well and not having to hang around for hours afterwards as well. So, yeah.

37:11Ali Bruce-Ball:Right. Next contribution is a voice note and it comes from Matt from Redford. ITTV team, Thank you for keeping me company during my Saturday morning walks throughout the season. I'm a huge data nerd. And with the recent boom in statistical data available to everybody, I was wondering what pieces of data do you find as commentators to be the most useful and the most useless when trying to analyse football matches before, during and after? Thanks.

37:41Ian Dennis:Yeah, I mean, it's changed massively, hasn't it? Particularly probably in the last 10 years of all of the various data that there is. And, you know, I think my answer to that is what can translate on the radio for us as radio commentators during the course of a match where, as you know, people are tuning in to hear what's happening in the match, who's winning, who's losing, who's playing well, who's not. What of that information are people going to be able to take in? And, of course, they very often involve numbers. and I think what it is whatever it is it's got to be something that people can take in quickly

38:20Ali Bruce-Ball:and it will make an impact yeah I agree John it's got to add to what you're describing because I think particularly in radio I think radio and television is slightly different and obviously TV can put stats up you can read while you're watching as well but I think there's a danger in a radio commentary of actually forgetting to describe what you're seeing which is our primary purpose of being there and then you've done all this work i did it for the leverkusen arsenal game recently where i really sort of got stuck into the history of leverkusen in the champions league and and all of that and you and there's sort of inside you you want to deliver some of that knowledge partly because you've worked quite hard putting it together but also because you find it interesting but actually always reminding yourself that while the live football is on we're there to commentate on the live football and i totally agree with you it's got to be a digestible stat and something that that adds what you're describing that tells the story that's just not superfluous.

39:13Ali Bruce-Ball:I mean, I know the one you and I, and I'm going to be a bit careful here because Matt from Redford there described himself as a data nerd. So I think he's obviously a fan of the stats. The one you and I chortle at occasionally is the win predictor. So-and-so's got such a chance of doing that. I mean, I will never go anywhere near those. That's not one. you know because i i can see what i'm watching whether it's in game or in a title race i know i know who's got the best chance here i've looked you know that that one is a silly one i think

39:45Ian Dennis:yeah they're very clever the people who are behind those because they make them available and the fact is that commentators you know we're all guilty of this commentators are always looking for things that they can use and they know that and yet and of course cricket is so guilty of this with the win-vis percentage chance. And we see it, you know, it's now part of football as well. And it's just that thing about, you know, Arsenal have now got a 95.5 % chance of winning the Premier League. As opposed to a 95.4 % or a 95.6%. So what is it that's making that? And also, the fact remains, even if they have got a 95 % chance of winning the league, that means there's a 5 % chance that they don't win the league, i.e.

40:40Ian Dennis:they're probably going to win the league, but they might not. That's what it's saying to you. That's what those things are saying to you.

40:47Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, and I think we've also got to be careful about context of stats sometimes. I'm not talking necessarily some of the in-depth data that Matt's talking about, but you know sometimes you'll see one that Brentford haven't won at Aston Villa for 75 years. Yeah, but they've only played them three times in those 75 years. So the headline is good, but what it actually means is, you know, you have to make sure that you make that clear, I think, which is why when you find a good stat, you know, something that really sort of... I mean, again, I'll go back to the Leverkusen Arsenal, and it obviously makes sense, this one, but I spotted that Leverkusen had only lost two of their last 19 home games in Europe, and the only two teams that had beaten them were Paris Saint-Germain and Bayern Munich.

41:33Ali Bruce-Ball:So it basically says to me, you've got to be a pretty good team to beat them at home in recent times, which makes sense because under Xabi Alonso, you know, they did the double in the Bundesliga. Some of that football was in the Europa League as well. So there's context to that too. But, you know, I thought that was quite, you know, PSG and Bayern are the only two teams that have won here in about three and a half years in a series of 19 games. I think that's worth pointing out. Yeah.

41:57Ian Dennis:And also, I think, I'm conscious of the fact You've got to be careful with jargon in that, you know, our generation might be very well aware of what some of the current jargon that is used in terms of football facts and statistics are concerned. But, you know, maybe a large proportion of our listeners won't be so familiar with that.

42:17Ali Bruce-Ball:But also, John, actually, and you and I have both done a bit of Arsenal recently, you know, the set piece stats that are now available to us. I mean, those are invaluable. the way Arsenal are so proficient at that this season and who's not good at defending against them. That's really useful, that is.

42:34Ian Dennis:I agree. So that from Matt in Redford, who also asks, as a fan of football shirts, I was wondering what the team's favourite and least favourite football shirts of all time are. Also, are there any shirts that prove tricky when commentating due to not being able to clearly make out the squad number or player name on the back. It's a shame that Ian has had to leave this podcast. He's had to leave the podcast because he's got something else to do. We must ask him this question. Not in disgrace, John. No, no, he hasn't been sent off. We've not brandished a red card at him. But Ian will love to answer this question.

43:16Ian Dennis:So let's make a note to ask him this. However, you can answer it first.

43:20Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. I mean, one I remember in particular, Reading at the Medeski in a certain period when they were in the Premier League and you were high up at the Medeski Stadium. I think the numbers were red, but they didn't have a panel on the back, so you just couldn't make them out. And the blue and white hoops. So they were difficult. Newcastle I've had problems with at times, but the players are really quite recognisable there, so that's less of an issue. Celtic have been tricky before. What about you, John?

43:48Ian Dennis:Celtic in the period where they didn't actually have the numbers on the shirts they just had them on the shorts that was tricky i've got so many stories about not being able to see the numbers i think the classic fa cup tie when the non-league team has striped shirts with with numbers on the back and that's virtually impossible but i think possibly my most memorable one of these sort of incidences was this was at the old atletico Madrid Stadium, the Vicente Calderon, when Atletico Madrid were playing Liverpool. And it was a time when Atletico Madrid had a lot of players who looked very similar.

44:26Ian Dennis:So they were similar-ish height, short back and sides. And I remember them, we were sitting high up at the back of the stand. And as they walked out, they were walking away from us. And I'm looking down at their shirts. And I don't know whether they were special shirts or one-off shirts or whatever I can't remember I remember looking at the shirts and thinking I can't see any of those numbers on the shirts they were indecipherable on the back of the shirts that was a really tough commentary yeah I think I think then though John you use your experience don't you

44:59Ali Bruce-Ball:and you go to sometimes you have to just go a bit generic that Atletico you know clear from their left back position I know always obviously when a player scores you need the name of the player but There are ways to get around not being able to identify every single player at every single moment. Favourite shirts? I've just been in Italy and I do love an Italian football shirt. I mean, I saw a lot of Roma shirts. I do love the Roma shirt. And Fiorentina, who are my team in Italy. It's so distinctive, that colour. There's so few teams that play in that sort of colour. In terms of old, I mean, I'm quite retro.

45:35Ali Bruce-Ball:If I was going to buy a football shirt, John, I'd go retro. I love, you know, my team, Ipswich Town, going to the early 80s. And they had a lovely, it was sponsored by Pioneer. And it was a white pinstripe in the blue. That was a great show. But I also like the ones with the, you know, occasionally teams now go back to the retro. Crystal Palace did it with the sash, the diagonal sash across the front of the, I do like those ones. I do like those.

45:59Ian Dennis:That's interesting because the kit I was going to mention was that Crystal Palace kit. the white kit with the red and blue diagonal stripe across the front. That was a high-quality football kit. And a bit like you with Italy, I've always liked the Argentina shirt. I think the blue and white stripes.

46:20Ali Bruce-Ball:The national ones, John, are great. I mean, the Italian one, again, I love. I mean, the classic Brazil is fantastic, isn't it? Yeah.

46:28Ian Dennis:Yeah, we must remember to ask Ian that question, and I'm going to think of a few more in the short term. So, yes, thank you very much, Matt, for those questions. Let's have this one from Max from Hailing Island near Portsmouth. Hey, guys. Love the podcast. Has anyone ever told you before that it's the perfect company on a dog walk? With social media now giving everyone the platform for an opinion, I did wonder how, if at all, this has affected your work. Do you see the criticism online? Do you use it to improve or do you just ignore it completely? and crucially have you ever altered your style based on anything that you've either seen online or in print which is a great question from max i'm sure we've all got a an answer on that my personal feeling is that you know for a long time i didn't use social media and then i was encouraged to do it and from that point on you know you would see reaction to what you've done and I've personally found that the reaction did influence me and I was not comfortable with that I felt that I'd been influenced by what people were saying and therefore was actually straying a little from the way I wanted to and would naturally have commentated because I was conscious of that and actually I made a conscious decision to then not look at any reaction to anything that I put on social media and I have pretty much stuck to that since then and I feel much more comfortable um from doing that on a slightly light-hearted note on that front on not on not

48:09Ali Bruce-Ball:being aware of what's going on um on on social media uh I do remember commentating on cricket in India probably a few months after I'd gone on to Twitter for the first time for sort of work purposes and I was sitting next to Simon Mann in a commentary box and he was asking me about my experiences and the feedback and whatever and i said what feedback what are you talking about i'm not in contact with anyone on on twitter he said have you not seen he said particularly working in football it's so tribal i'm really surprised you've not got stick from football fans for this that and the other i went honestly i've not not no i said i must be the most unpopular guy in the world i've never seen anything he said you've never touched that button have you and i touched the notifications button and about 4 000 messages appeared and some of them really unsavoury just you know having listened to football i wish it was pandora's but i wish i'd never opened it or touch that button i mean it's not healthy is it you don't go looking for that and i always go back to the words because sometimes people will say lovely things about what you've been saying what you've been doing and sometimes they won't and i always go back to you know rob nothman we've mentioned him plenty of times on this pod before who's given me so many brilliant sort of you know tips and excellent guidance on on commentary and just said you know it's it's never it's never as good as you think it was it's never as bad as you think it was it's always somewhere in the middle and you know i try not to pay any attention to it really yeah and uh you

49:28Ian Dennis:know as i said at the outset my feeling is i don't want to be straight jacketed by noise and criticism from outside i want to do this in the way that i i want to do it and people might people might like it people might not like it but we try to do it to the best of our ability don't we and I think that that criticism, that noise from outside does affect you.

49:52Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

49:52Ian Dennis:Let's finish with this one from Joseph in Enfield, who says, Dear Ali, John and Ian, with Guy Mowbray as the voice on Gladiators and Jonathan Pierce in Robot Wars, as he was telling us on a previous edition of The Commentator's View, and even Dion Dublin headlining Homes Under the Hammer, is there a TV programme that you would like to feature on? I'm guessing Ali is a repair shop type of guy whilst John and Ian would debate over Mastermind or Top of the Pogs and Joseph says I presume Hare Chapman would do the weakest link self-explanatory really brilliant as always Ali?

50:36Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, so Mark's appeared on a few recently hasn't he? Mark was on Would I Lie to You and Michael McIntyre's, what's that, is that the wheel, is that one called, where he gets spun around, he was on that recently. I mean, I, has he been running through the, because normally he's,

50:54Ian Dennis:he's quite, normally he's sort of, celebrity,

50:58Ali Bruce-Ball:celebrity master chef, I think there would be another one in the locker. Right. Yeah, yeah. I think John, I mean, the repair shop, that's a good one. It would be quiz for me, although I'd want to be the quiz master. I love her. yeah that's what I that's what I

51:14Ian Dennis:would like to do

51:16Ali Bruce-Ball:yeah yeah I think I've seen Connor do Celebrity Mastermind and do really well but given our experiences in Clash of the Commentators I know I would not perform well under that sort of pressure I just I just wouldn't be good at that but asking the questions what would your

51:31Ian Dennis:speciality speciality

51:33Ali Bruce-Ball:that'd be something 80s John it'd be something maybe 80s film related I think

51:40Ian Dennis:Italian Italian films

51:42Ali Bruce-Ball:No, crikey, no, I wouldn't have a chance of that. What about Ian? What could you see Ian appearing on as a voice? What could he narrate?

51:52Ian Dennis:Do you remember the Indoor League, if they brought that back? Do you remember Fred Truman used to present it? Right. Ian would be good at that.

52:01Ali Bruce-Ball:The chap who used to, I probably should know his name, but narrate Big Brother was, I think, sort of Northumbrian Geordie. bit so sometimes I always because it always made me think of you actually yeah the sort of dear four in the big brother house I you know obviously can't do the accent but um there is a vacancy on

52:20Ian Dennis:house of games at the moment isn't there is there although I don't know that would be yeah no okay

52:24Ali Bruce-Ball:okay we're just loving that out good questions enjoyed those yeah no very good yes and we'll do

52:30Ian Dennis:that again so if you've got any of if you've got any of those we will we'll be doing these on a regular basis you know anything that you want to ask us about football commentary etc etc and as We always say, remember, the idea is that we do the best of our work when we're actually commentating on football matches. So do tune in to all of our various commentaries on Five Live and BBC Sounds. But that is it for this episode. And those questions should be sent to tcv at bbc.co.uk on the email. Or you can send us a message or voice note on WhatsApp to 08000 289369. and remember you can find each and every episode of the commentator's view by scrolling down your football daily feed

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John Murray, Ian Dennis & Ali Bruce-Ball answer listener questions. From why they still use lip mics to how they deal with criticism… do they still go to game as fans? And which data do they find most useful/useless? Messages, questions and voicenotes welcome on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369 & emails to TCV@bbc.co.uk

01:05 Lip mics and why commentators still use them, 07:20 How they find out which matches they’re doing, 10:00 Working with different summarisers, 19:10 Seeing too much flesh in commentary, 22:00 Avoiding venting personal views in commentary, 26:20 5 Live commentaries this weekend, 27:50 Do the commentators ever watch as fans? 34:40 Which data are the most useful/useless? 44:00 Does criticism affect their commentaries? 47:20 Which TV programmes would they do?

5 Live / BBC Sounds commentaries: Fri 1945 England v Uruguay with John Murray, Ian Dennis & Paul Robinson, Sat 1330 Man Utd v Man City in WSL with Mike Minay & Lindsay Johnson, Sun 1200 Chelsea v Aston Villa in WSL with Vicki Sparks & Anita Asante.

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