The Commentators' View: Ashes special with Aggers

27:44Was that the moment you were thinking of? Yeah. It had everything. As a commentator, you want emotion, don't you? And you want to be involved. Funnily enough, Michael Clarke, four years later, Ricky Ponting was injured, and Michael Clarke was captain. And so I interviewed Michael Clarke. We went into the same room, and he sat down in a chair. And I said, Michael, just to let you know, four years ago, Steve Waugh sat in that chair. Clarke quickly got up. We were very superstitious, aren't we? He got up, boom, sat in the other chair, just because of Warwick, Got 100 having sat in that chair, having talked.

28:14I mean, it's ridiculous, isn't it? But it didn't work for him anyway. But yeah, there you go. That was quite something. One thing you said there, Jonathan, that struck a chord with me, and as you mentioned earlier, Ali and I have both dipped into cricket commentary, and it's the lifestyle. That's the thing that I found was perhaps not quite what I expected. And as I've said to you before, and Ali knows, you know, cricket is my favourite sport. And to commentate on Test Mike Special for me was absolute broadcasting dream to do that. You came to Sri Lanka, didn't you? Was it Sri Lanka you came to?

28:53Sri Lanka, yeah. To work on Test Mike Special on an England tour was, for me, it was a lifetime achievement fulfilled. And I loved every minute of it. It was terrific. And that was 2003, I think. but what I found was and at that time I was already quite established as a five-life football commentator and there was a question of whether that would be a crossroads and whether I might go down the cricket route but I found from a lifestyle point of view that was a really short tour I think it was only like four four five weeks something like that right and I just felt like my life had had been had to be put on hold for five weeks for a short tour and you're away for such a long time and listen we travel away a lot i'm speaking to from tarana for goodness sake you know and that's a ray you know there'll be tarana the belgrade in a couple of weeks you know and then you'll be somewhere else but it is short they are short trips away you're you're away you're back you're away you're back and there is a bit of normal life there but for you you've done it for decades an enormously disrupted life well they're shorter now they were my first tour here in 1990 was i think 135 days um and that was it there was no question of family coming out or my kids are younger and so on um yeah it is a selfish job and you have to have things organized at home there's a lot of divorces in this job in 1990 yeah I was divorced from my wife at the time and it happens a lot I mean it goes in cycles I think you often get a reporter who comes a correspondent who's you know mid-twenties, 20 to 30 or so and he's young and excited and everything's great and he gets a girlfriend, the girlfriend comes out wow this is fantastic, it's marvellous, you get married a couple of years everything's great, young child comes along, boom, that is it and you either give up and have to go and do something else because obviously the young child's not going to come out on tours like this or you just soldier on by yourself, you know, and hoping that things are all right at home.

31:08They're not as long now as they were and in a way it's a shame because those tours you actually see much more of the country. You know, we'd come here to West Australia, we'd start, we'd go up to Geraldton, go and play the Country 11, play West Australia here, you go to Adelaide, you'd go up to Port Period playing against the farmers you'd come down and play South Australia and you actually saw much more of the country than you do now I mean it just goes bang, bang, bang, bang, bang test batches and out but even so it's still going to be I think it's 75 days or something this one which must be the shortest Ashes tour has ever been but it's great fun I mean touring places like how many people get to go to Pakistan and I've been there what three times the last four years it's just such a friendly welcoming place that people happily say oh I don't want to go to Pakistan it's fantastic when you go and experience places like that, we are extremely lucky to do that and to travel as we have it does help when you win I'll be honest, so I'm a little bit anxious although not quite as anxious now as I was a week ago there's injuries here and the Australians I think are definitely wobbly So, yeah, looking forward to Friday with great anticipation.

32:22When this podcast comes out, the first Ashes Test will already be up and running because we come out on a Friday. So you'll need to get yourself, you'll have to find a window to listen to this, but you'll need to get yourself over to Sports Extra and BBC Sounds. Of course. Yeah, exactly. So the Test Match special daily podcast will be there throughout the Ashes on the BBC Sounds app, on air from 1.30 in the morning on Sports Extra and BBC Sounds. in the early hours over here. Play running until about 10 o 'clock in the morning. Video clips and highlights during play on the BBC Sport website and app.

32:57And there's a highlight show on the iPlayer as well. But as John always says, and you always say this, John, you cannot beat live sport on the radio. So get yourself up and get listening. And actually... You've just done my job for me. But this is also a great opportunity. You know, parents, grandparents. listening to this, this is a great opportunity to introduce your children, your grandchildren, to how sport works on the radio. In terms of the football coming this weekend, we have plenty... This is what Jonathan's going to be blissfully aware of. Well, I'll rattle through this, Jonathan, and then we'll get to a couple of other features on the pod, and then we'll let you get away.

33:42So, plenty of football, of course, coming because the domestic action is back at the weekend. Our Saturday 3 o 'clock commentary on 5 Live is Liverpool against Nottingham Forest. Ian Dennis and Paul Robinson will be there. You can listen to Fulham Sunderland on Sports Extra. Saturday 5.30, we've got Newcastle against Manchester City. John, you and I are in action on Sunday. So at 2 o 'clock on Sunday, I'm alongside Stephen Warnock for Leeds Aston Villa. And actually, you've got Arsenal Tottenham, which is, well, that is the game of the weekend, isn't it? Alongside Clinton Morrison. That'll be interesting.

34:12That'll be a good game. Yeah, really looking forward to that. And plus the fact, if Manchester City are able to win at Newcastle on the Saturday night, that means Manchester City are going to be back breathing right down the neck of Arsenal at the top of the table. So this pressure thing that I feel like I'm speaking about every week, that Arsenal are going to have to deal with this pressure. And that's the absolute, every top level sports person, sports team has to deal with pressure. but the pressure that is likely to be exerted on Arsenal over the course of the coming months is one of the things that I think we're going to be talking about a lot.

34:56And before you hear the next Commentators View episode, there'll be Champions League commentaries as well. So they're coming next week. Tuesday night, Chelsea-Barcelona. Manchester City-Bayern Leverkusen will be on Sports Extra on Tuesday. And then John will be doing Arsenal against Bayern Munich on the Wednesday. Paris Saint-Germain against Tottenham will be on Sports Extra. So we've got it all covered.

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36:24The Commentator's View on the Football Daily. Listen on BBC Sounds. Jonathan, we've got some regular pod business to introduce you to now. A few features we have on this podcast that we'll need you to adjudicate. So first of all is our unintended pub names, Jonathan. And so this was picked up by Paul Robinson, who's a former England goalkeeper, who was commentating alongside John Murray a couple of months ago. And it's where, what was the, can you remember what the original one was, John? It's something that a commentator says that could make a pub name, but it's done unintentionally. Yeah, we were sitting on the gantry at Ellen Road, Leeds United, and I'm just commentating away on Leeds.

37:04And Paul suddenly starts sort of, his shoulders are going up and down and he's giggling to himself. And I said, well, what are you laughing at? and he said he said you've just come out with a couple of pub names unintended pub names and um they've got a couple of defenders called bogle and rodon and in and in quick succession i mentioned the bearded bogle and the hopping rodon and he said they could both be pub names yeah and he said you should introduce that on the podcast which we did and i thought well this will last you know we'll do this it'll be a couple of weeks and it's honestly it has grown legs we've had people sending in pictures of the the pub sign and you know these are from any type of sports commentary that people hear what could be a pub now yeah and and and in and in test match special commentary they will they will feature all the time so as you're listening to the test series then then get in touch with us and we'll pass them on to the team that's tcv i was thinking of a couple off the top of my head.

38:05I mean, the Golden Duck. That's an obvious pub name, isn't it? That's an easy one. Can I introduce the Leg Over? I'd like to see the pub sign for that. Yeah. A famous one, absolutely. I can see that. I can absolutely see that. Yeah, so last week's highlights were the Mozambique Nutmeg. That's quite niche. The Bootless Bowen, which I could definitely see somewhere, and the Phantom Whistler, which was another very good one. David in Largs Bay, South Australia, in fact, says, watching an English Premier League highlights package on local streaming in a West Ham match, I heard the Flying Sochek. Perhaps that would be a bar at an airport, but also one to be dodged.

38:43And Ian in Exmouth says, how about a Division 2 for pub names not heard in football commentary? I was listening to the Cricket Women's World Cup a few weeks back and heard a whole chain of pubs. The Diving Knight, The Falling Knight, and The Sprawling Knight. That's good. Mike in Hales I'm in Dear TCV watching the rugby this afternoon I heard a possible nomination Ben Earle having been sent off for 10 minutes was described as sitting on the naughty chair the naughty chair and Leeds fan Callum says a lengthy email this one I do enjoy listening to the podcast's regular feature about potential pub names unearthed from the commentary box some real gems crop up don't they but it strikes me perhaps one of the finest pub names has been staring us in the face all along, perfectly obvious and utterly apt.

39:36The commentator's view. It wouldn't be one of those grand affairs, not by a long chalk, but it would have a certain, well, a certain something, tucked in there, quite companionably, among the lovely russet colours of autumn, right next to the village pitch where the lads and lasses kick about. You can sit outside, weather permitting, with your pint, a good honest pint, mind you, and you can't help but offer your two-peneth on the game, you might mutter to yourself, he shouldn't have passed it there, should he? Or they couldn't have buried that where the owl sleeps. It's a quiet sort of pleasure, this, watching the world go by and feeling quite put out if they somehow manage to miss the easy tap-in.

40:20A slice of life perfectly framed, if you ask me. All are welcome for a peaceful retreat in the commentator's view. P.S. I have attached the AI image of the pub sign for this idyllic boozer. And there it is. He sent the picture, Ali. Yeah, very good. Given the podcast name and that pub name now, Jonathan, that leads to an obvious question. Cricket commentary positions. What is the best commentator's view for a cricket commentator in World Creek? Where's your favourite spot? Where? Yeah. Well, they're dwindling because the ideal position, I don't know how you are with your sport, but it's not to be too high.

41:06But with the new stands that are being built, you go up and up and up and up, and you end up just looking down on people's caps and hats. So identification is quite hard. And also, the higher you go, the more difficult it is to judge the carry of a catch. You're looking down on something. so rather than a slip catch, if you're in it you can actually see, gauge the height and the carry much more easily although it all happens very quickly so flannelling around the answer to that I mean Lourdes is I mean Lourdes is high but it's a wonderful to open the window and get that Lourdes noise I talked about the noise earlier on and the orchestra, you get that at Lourdes and you can have it the wind's got to be blowing in the right direction otherwise Andy Zaltzman's papers blow everywhere but when it's perfect and you're looking down and you've got the pavilion and all the history you can just feel coming through the window as well you're not going to beat that Is that a better view than it was when you were in the pavilion?

42:09No, I know what you mean but no because that was lower and then you had the window the old-fashioned window that you put all your weight on and wound down and you also got the smell of Nancy's cooking coming up from the floor below into the commentary box. It was Brian Johnston's sandwiches, roast beef. And so you'd notice coming to lunch because of smell were just coming through those open windows. But now that was interesting because you would actually go through the pavilion to go to work. But I know what you're saying because that pavilion is iconic and you look at that and you get that now, whereas we didn't have it before.

42:41But actually to be in that, at that particular height again, somehow you feel you're more in the game, I think, when you're at second floor I think is ideal then you're looking into faces and you can really see what's going on Edgebaston the great Andrew Flintoff over at Ricky Ponting that was the old commentary box there and I was commentating and you were at that level you could almost reach out and touch Flintoff and you could see Ponting's face you could see all the expressions and you could see the nick at the end all that stuff you know that was again a large part of that was because of the height that you were and how within, almost touching distance of the game you were.

43:24One of the things that I appreciate now, as you say Jonathan, in my time our football commentary positions seem to have got further and further away from the action because stadiums get bigger and the positions are just built right at the back for various reasons and last night in Albania, as I'm speaking now was a great position a smallish stadium we were on the upper tier and we were very close to the action and you can't beat that and one of the things that I as a commentator I don't like, you have to do it because we'll almost always have TV screens next to our commentary position and I hate having to just sort of glance at that you want to do it with the naked eye don't you, rather than need to have that TV screen as a backup The worst by the way Square Leg in a day-night game in Napier behind smoke glass windows.

44:19That was an absolute nightmare. Couldn't see the ball, couldn't see anything, and basically made it up. And it was the last ball tie. And the poor old local commentator was on, who was, I think, a rugby man usually. I mean, he still doesn't know what happened, I don't think. No listener would have done either. That's a shambles. Actually, Jonathan, I mean, in terms of the view for the first test of this series, obviously we're not at the WACA, are we? We're at the Optus Stadium. So this is the first Ashes test that we played at this stadium. Yeah, I've done a one-day here. The World T20 was here.

44:51England played one match. It's a bowl. You know, the Wacker used to have such character. I don't want to sound like an old fuddy-duddy, but, you know, as a commentator, again, as you go back to the start of this, you're looking for those things to talk about. And the Wacker just had so much. The beautiful gardens, the Queen's Gardens outside it, the grassy banks, the trotting track in the distance, Gloucester Park where the lights would come on towards the end of a day and then you see the trotters going round and round and round you know it's just all of that you'd be high up in the Lily Marsh stand and you could just feel the history of that place and this is new this is a bowl most Australian cricket grounds are now that I mean Sydney is a bit of a hotch potch it's got some history obviously with the two pavilions Adelaide's a lovely ground and they've managed to retain some of its charm despite the fact that they've extended one side.

45:39That still does have a hill. It still has an Australian, Pucker Australian scoreboard, a big thing with all the information on it. But the Gabba and here and Melbourne, they're just big, big bowls. Right, I've got some good news for the pair of you. We are giving Clash of the Commentators a rest this week, so we were going to have correspondent against correspondent. Oh no. That's good news, Jonathan. Yeah, we see Jonathan Anorak, I think. I've already given away the fact that I don't know any answers to any of these things. Well, we haven't got time for that. That is going to come back. I was going to say, before you went on here, I heard the countdown music.

46:16I thought, oh, God, that's ominous. There's something horrible is going to happen here. Well, this now qualifies for an unintended pub name because I think you and I, Jonathan, we've just had a pint in The Lucky Escape.

46:33I'll second that. Okay, we're going to finish instead. Well, the answer is just to keep talking. See, I've talked so much, there isn't time for it, which suits me. We're going to finish instead. I think Jonathan will enjoy this. This is our great glossary of football commentary. But obviously, I mean, crikey, I mean, the great glossary of cricket commentary, that's just another tome altogether. But this is where we add listener suggestions of commentary terms and phrases to our collection. So Division 1 is for football-exclusive terms. You will only hear them in football commentary and nowhere else.

47:05And Division 2 is for terms used in football commentary, but also used in other sports and elsewhere. For example, last week, head tennis and dead ball specialist passed the test and made it into Division 1. We decided to leave leading the line in Division 1, but there's been a bit of debate about whether it's used in other sports. So Lydia says leading the line definitely needs to go into Division 2. I'm an avid hockey player and we use it for that my team is currently top of the North West Div 2 North League thanks for asking we like many of the phrases in Div 2 are hoping for a big promotion party to Div 1 come March keep up the good work, love the pod leading the line Jonathan you wouldn't use that in you lead an attack, you don't lead the line in cricket do you I don't know what it means good, done, excellent it's funny isn't it how often hockey does actually use the same phrases.

48:01Tim says, greetings from beautiful British Columbia. Your recent glossary edition of Leading the Line must definitely be a Division 2 because it's an expression used in ice hockey. Okay. A couple that did make it into Division 2, and I think these could be used in cricket, but Jonathan will tell us, came down with snow on it. So a high ball that's coming down out of the sky in football. Oh, I've heard that used. Yep, yep, yep. That's definitely, yes. And also, let's say ahead of an Ashes tour, when you're talking about selection, and players sort of battling for places in the squad. In football, sometimes they'll say, looking to get their seats on the plane.

48:43Would you ever say that, Jonathan, for a tour away? Personally, I wouldn't. I can imagine perhaps one or two might, ahead of a tour. Where does nutmeg seat? Because I have used the expression nutmeg in cricket. Have you? meaning what in cricket John? Well it can either happen when somebody's fielding and they have a bit of a nightmare and miss it and the ball goes through the legs and it can happen batting as well so I have definitely used nutmegging which I think would be usually associated with football wouldn't it? Well that John is interesting because I think nutmeg has been in Division 1 for us so that's definitely now relegation So that would be where you get an inside edge as a batsman inside edge and it goes through the legs He's nutmegged him and down to find a leg for a single, yeah.

49:27Yeah, yeah. Or the long barrier comes down. Oh, dear. A bit of a dodgy bounce goes straight through his legs. He's nutmegged him. But here's a good one, because this is a term that is used in both sports and sort of means the same thing. But this is Hales Owen Town fan, Dom, who gets in touch. Following on from last week's discussion about the bomb squad. So I was talking about the bomb squad, meaning different things in rugby and football. In rugby, it's bringing on five subs in the second half, all fresh to crash on and win the game. In football, if you're in the bomb squad, you're in the subs, you're in the reserves.

50:01The manager doesn't want you, you're not playing. Another one of these, says Dom, is the corridor of uncertainty in football and cricket. So football, it's when the ball is whipped into the box where defenders and the goalkeeper are not sure who should attack the ball. and Dom says in cricket it's that space just outside the batter's off stump where it's hard to decide whether to hit or leave the ball. Well, you see, who are you crediting with that expression? That's Geoffrey Boycott, isn't it? Correct. Boycott came up with that. I mean, some years ago now, but that is a totally Geoffrey Boycott creation.

50:36So that's been used as well in football. I mean, he'll be very happy with that. But yeah, that corridor of uncertainty out there, good length, just outside the off stump. But it absolutely kind of sums it up, doesn't it? It's perfect. And actually, just going back to the bomb squad, this has been a little bit of a feature of the past week with Thomas Tuchel as the England manager bringing on substitutes to good effect. it's actually been used with reference to the England team and with it being England it's been referred to I think in the tabloids probably as the POM squad as opposed to the BOM squad so there's my figure as well Ashley from Milton Keynes I've got a suggestion for the football glossary catching practice there's a cricket link here this would be on the cusp of Division 1 but most likely Division 2 as I can see this mentioned in cricket with the wicketkeeper maybe when they're collecting balls from the bowler But I see in terms of football, what they're talking about there is a shot that is so tame, it's catching practice for the goalkeepers.

51:40It would be used differently. Yeah, when catching practice is a discipline. You'll watch the England players go through every morning, you know, be it slip catching practice. The wonderful catches they do on the boundary now, which would never even be thought of when I was playing, the wonderful athletic stuff where you keep the ball in play, you run over the boundary edge yourself. They practice those. They're not flukes anymore. But that is definitely catching practice. Voice notes on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369. For example, let's hear from Paul in Swansea. My offering is when a player has got a knack for arriving in the box, right place at the right time, and he's known as Johnny on the spot.

52:22Just interested to know what you guys think. Love in the pod and keep up the good work. Cheers, guys. It's a real old-fashioned one, that, isn't it? Johnny on the spot, I think, derived from the early days of football commentary. And I remember, even when I was first starting out, using that phrase and thinking, you know, this is like probably 30 years ago, thinking, I've said Johnny on the spot, that sounds really old-fashioned. So that's probably even more old-fashioned now. Yeah, you'd be right. Yeah, and I'm not sure what the original derivation of that is either. So I'm not sure you'd necessarily get that in cricket, would you?

53:02No I don't think John you're on the spot, no I don't think that's, maybe Brian Johnston might have come out with something sort of along those lines but I don't know no I don't know, we'll use that one We've got time for just a couple more we're not going to get them all in, we've got so much so many emails in which is fantastic we will get back to these in other pods tcv at bbc.co.uk is the address to get in touch spotted a couple I liked just because of the football cricket thing Robin Farnham, hi gents I've loved the show this season. I always look forward to Fridays. I'm fairly sure we've not had this one before, but how about when someone scores a screamer?

53:39I don't think I've ever heard of someone potting a screamer in snooker or a batsman hitting a screamer in cricket. I hope it gets in. Can you take a screamer of a catch, though? Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And he might hit a screamer, possibly, but definitely a screamer of a catch. Yeah, absolutely. That question, yeah. OK. Division two? World, he seems to have taken over from it, but it certainly has been. Yeah. Not one of my favourites, worldy, Jonathan, as I've occasionally said on here. Richard from Stockport. I've been toying with a possible glossary entry for a while. I'd like to submit they couldn't sort their feet out.

54:15For me, this is absolutely a football phrase, although I'm sure I've occasionally heard it used in cricket when a field has messed up a catch in the deep. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. So in football, that is striker getting into position ready to shoot and then the ball gets caught under his feet and he can't quite get his feet in the right place at the right time to strike. What about in cricket, Jonathan? No, I don't think I've heard that. I mean, you can get tangled up with your footwork a bit when you're batting if you're coming down the pitch. Inzamamal Huck famously did so at Headingley one time and went down like a felled elephant.

54:48But no, that's not really a cricketing term. OK. John, do you want to do one last one? Do you want to take your pick from that list? How about Srinath from Mumbai City in India says, I enjoy listening to your anecdotes, which gives us a glimpse into the life of football commentators and the preparation that goes behind the scenes. Please, can you discuss whether this word from cricket can be added to football as well, albeit in a different context? Good leave and well left. so the football scenario says Srinath if say player a puts in a cross or a pass which player b can get to touch that chooses not to and instead allows the ball to reach player c since he sees player c who is beyond him or ahead of him in a better position to score a goal if this action results in a goal can we say well left player b or that was a good leave by player b what do you say Can this be included in the football glossary?

55:48I actually do quite like it when a goalkeeper will go for a ball that has been played through and then leaves it. And I do quite like to say that Jordan Pickford let that one goal outside the off stump. I do quite like using that myself. Yeah, no, I think I've heard you say that, John. I think that works. Right, that's it for the name. There's Sreenath as well. Yes. Yeah, very much so. Absolutely. So we've done loads there. mainly Division 2, leading the line, Nutmeg, Corridor of Uncertainty, well played Geoffrey, Catching Practice, Screamer and Good Leave, all going into Division 2, into the hallowed ranks of Division 1.

56:25Are we adding Johnny on the spot? You can have it. Thank you, Jonathan. And they couldn't sort their feet out.

56:40Hooray! And the last thing we've got to do is go back to a conversation we had a few pods ago about the perils. And Jonathan, I know you've had to do this. We've certainly had to do this. And it's an absolute nightmare. Commentating for radio off television pictures and how you can get caught. It's a horror show, isn't it? It can be. It is. We had to do it during COVID when we couldn't go to Sri Lanka, but we had the rights. and so it wasn't actually, it was a very clever piece of kit that BBC had where you weren't actually doing it off television but you were doing it off a computer screen and so you could commentate off it whether you were, I think we had Isha here in Australia and I was in Milton Mowbray and it all looked the same.

57:24It was very clever, there's no delay in other words. But, no, I fell foul twice of commentating on action replays and a bit stitched up because when they went to adverts, adverts when a wicket fell. I mean, we had a blank screen. And in this case, the most famous case, one of the Sri Lanka batsmen played a terrible shot and was caught off Jack Leach by Joe Root. It slipped. Brilliant catch. And then they went to an advert, and it was just a boat bobbing around on the ocean. And suddenly it's back. And they played, well, they played a ball at normal pace. And so immediately, of course, I think this is live.

58:03I haven't seen what's happening. I haven't seen the new batsmen arrive. and it's an incredibly similar shot and another brilliant catch by Joe Root which of course I commentated on my word can you believe it this Sri Lankan batsman he's played a terrible shot what another amazing catch by Joe Root and all I could hear in the lines was Phil Tufnell laughing from London because he realised it was a replay but I didn't know they played this replay I suppose to show what a brilliant catch it was by Root who would do it at a normal speed but it completely stitched me up Jonathan just for you this is a bit like this is your commentary life.

58:36That very incident, that instance you've described, we've got it for you to hear now. In goes Leach. Ha! Hazaranga, who is caught. Is he brilliantly caught by a route? He is. What a good catch. Turned. Hazaranga went to drive it. His leech bowling and the new batsman's edged it. Has Root caught him again? Was it sponsor out of the rough? He has. Another brilliant catch. It's like an action replay. Exactly the same. And I don't know what Pereira was doing there really to his first ball, apart from his eyes lighting up. Or it was a replay. It was a replay. Oh, God. That's very cruel, you two. Oh, dear.

59:15It goes lead to balls. And that's dropped, I think, in the gallery.

59:22There's only so many three o 'clock a man can see. Oh, well. Let's keep going. It's first time I've heard that. Really? But the thing is, because you say, it shows you're on it. It's like an action replay. It wasn't, you know. And what makes it even better is the best person to be alongside you for that because the best laugh in it is Tuffers, isn't it? Tuffers. Mischievous Tuffers. And I think, just to add to the picture, I think we had been going up at three commentating. I think I was actually in my dressing gown and pyjamas commentating at the time of the dark in my attic in Melton Mowbray.

59:59so anyway but I thank you gentlemen very much indeed for reminding me of that sorry well there but for the grace of God go off with that and that's why it's so important to be actually on site Jonathan thank you so much for taking the time to chat to us on the commentator's view and have a great tour thank you very much indeed it was a lot of fun I hope people enjoyed listening to it and yeah fingers crossed fingers crossed for Friday and the rest of the series talk to you soon cheers Jonathan have a great tour cannot wait every ball with the Test Match special team Jonathan Agnew leading the commentary on Radio 5 Sports Extra and BBC Sounds.

1:00:33But I'm sure you'll be delighted to. I'm sure Ian Dennis will be back at some point again this season because he's now missed the last two. So hopefully we'll have Denno back next week. But enjoy the Ashes and obviously enjoy the football coming up over the weekend. Keep the glossary suggestions coming in. Remember, if you hear those unintended pub names in a commentary, send them in to tcv at bbc.co.uk. I'd love some Ashes ones. I'd love it if there are some Ashes ones in there. Please listen out for those. and the voice notes on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily.

1:01:05Remember, you can find each and every episode of the Commentator's View by scrolling down your Football Daily feed. So, John, what's the plan in Tirana? I am now going to either the Museum of the Secret Police or the Museum of the Nuclear Bunker. Okay. Spinning a coin? full of joys. Yeah, exactly. Well, I think we'd like to, well, I certainly would like to go to the secret police museum, but we're getting mixed messages and it might be shut on a Monday. Is it a secret? Maybe it's a secret. It's like keeping that close to their chest. Welcome to the brand new podcast series Rugby League Top 10 with me, Mark Chapman.

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