The Commentators’ View: Euro success & Carol or Rachel?

15:07Ian Dennis:Well, that's quite touching, isn't it? And I hope you're making a good recovery, Jim.

15:13John Murray:Yeah, get well seen, Jim. Yeah, wish you all the best. And I hope last night's result hasn't upset your recovery too much.

15:20Ian Dennis:And actually, he says he was listening to your commentary on Thursday night, Ian. But I suppose now it'll be about whether Forrest are able to stay in the Premier League this season. And they've certainly got more than half a chance, haven't they?

15:34John Murray:Yeah. Yeah. Have you also seen that bit at the end where he says, I'm afraid if I stay in hospital much longer, you're going to have to do two pods a week to keep me entertained.

15:42Ian Dennis:Well, we can tell you, Jim, exciting developments because on Tuesday night on Five Live, the three of us will be with Kelly Cates in Radio First Commentator's View special when we will go through our choices of our own personal matches of the season. and that's going to be released as a Football Daily podcast on Wednesday along with our usual episode on Friday.

16:09Ali Bruce-Ball:And this is absolutely no offence whatsoever to Kelly but it's a real shame that Herr Chapman is not presenting the TCV first live special on Five Live because he'll be sorry to miss that, I think.

16:23Ian Dennis:Do you think that ever would have been a possibility?

16:26Ali Bruce-Ball:Nope.

16:29John Murray:He'll be washing his hair that night.

16:34It was great.

16:35Ian Dennis:We actually had Kelly with us at the Emirates on Tuesday night, which was very nice. We very rarely see them face-to-face, don't we? So that was nice. We have this weekend commentaries coming up. On Saturday, Aston Villa against Arsenal in the WSL is on Sports Extra. That's a 12 o 'clock kickoff. Arsenal having drawn at Brighton on Wednesday to hand City their first WSL title in a decade. Ian, Saturday three o 'clock, where are you going to be?

17:07John Murray:Sunderland, Manchester United. And normally I would say the usual goal service, but because the Football League has finished, it's going to feel like a little bit of relief because I won't be as busy as I normally am on a Saturday afternoon because I think there's only one game in the League One playoff semifinal, Stevenage-Stotport, and then a handful of games in the Scottish Premiership and two elsewhere in the Premier League. So in comparison to previous Saturdays, it will have a rather relaxed nature.

17:33Ian Dennis:The last few Saturdays, three o 'clocks, I know because I've been sitting there listening, waiting to do the commentary at 5.30. They have been absolutely hectic. Yeah. So you'll be able to kick back this weekend. I will. At the same time, Fulham Bournemouth, three o 'clock Saturday. The commentary on that is on Sports Extra. And Ali, this weekend, 5 Live is the place for commentary on both of the Premier League matches involving the top two because...

18:04Ali Bruce-Ball:Yes, notes in front of me, John. I'm headed to Manchester to the Etihad for Manchester City-Brentford. So that's the Saturday 5.30. So having dropped a couple of points against Everton on Monday night, and that always looked like it was going to be a tricky fixture for Manchester City. I didn't necessarily expect them to drop the points in the way that they did. I didn't expect a sort of three-all thriller with them scoring two late ones to come back into it. We'll have to wait and see how important the late Doku equaliser is. But, John, if Manchester City fail to beat Brentford, and Brentford, you know, they've got plenty to play for themselves, then Arsenal would only need two wins from their remaining three games, the first of which you're at on the Sunday.

18:46Ali Bruce-Ball:So a very, very important game for Manchester City on the Saturday night, goes without saying.

18:50Ian Dennis:Yeah, so do not miss that. And Naughty Michael Brown is going to be with you, 5.30. And then the Arsenal match, Sunday, 4.30, when I'll be at West Ham alongside Rob Green. Believe it or not, this is the fifth consecutive weekend that I will have commentated with Rob Green, having not commentated with him at all, all season. I don't know how that has happened in that way, but it has.

19:19Ali Bruce-Ball:You're in a good moment, John.

19:23John Murray:Also... Not exactly a purple patch, but a green patch.

19:26Ian Dennis:Green patch. Also on Sunday, as one of you mentioned, Celtic Rangers, 12 o 'clock. So 12 o 'clock starts, early start to Five Live Sport. The commentary will be a simulcast with BBC Radio Scotland. And then all of the Premier League matches. Sunday at 2, Nottingham Forest against Newcastle, Connor McNamara and Clinton Morrison. It's been quiet recently, Clinton. See, I've seen Rob Green. I've hardly seen Clinton for weeks. Then Sunday, two o 'clock, Burnley-Aston Villa is on Sports Extra. Sunday, two o 'clock, Crystal Palace-Everton is also on Sports Extra. And I must tell you as well, you just sort of sparked a memory from last Monday night.

20:09Ian Dennis:When I was preparing at home for the second leg of Arsenal-Atletico Madrid, I was keeping an eye on Manchester City against Everton on one screen and watching the world snooker final on my phone all at the same time. It was quite a hectic night.

20:28Ali Bruce-Ball:I was doing exactly the same thing, John, and I think what happened as well, something else happened in our household that meant I had to record the final frame of the snooker, switch every other device off in the house, particularly my phone, because I was in sort of text conversation with other people about it, and then watched whatever we watched and had to come back to watch that final frame after it had already played out. But the semifinals as well, John, the semifinals were absolutely sensational, weren't they? So anyway, that was last Monday. And... By the way, sorry, just tell you what very quickly.

21:02Ali Bruce-Ball:So our little game, you know we play Clash of the Commentators on here. On the FPL pod from BBC Sport, we play Sutton Death. So Chris Sutton last week decided to come up with world snooker champions, which I actually, I would have fancied myself on that, but it fell to Statman Dave to represent the podcast.

21:21Ian Dennis:Okay. And don't tell me he's not a massive snooker fan.

21:24Ali Bruce-Ball:Not a massive snooker fan. He plucked, who did he pluck? He plucked quite a random one. It wasn't Luca Brassell. It was quite a random one, but then completely forgot that we'd had former world champion Neil Robertson on the pod the week before. Failed to name him. failed to name any other snooker world champion and promptly lost the game. I can't remember the one he got, though. It was very funny.

21:47Ian Dennis:Did you see the interview, Hazel Irvin's interview with Wu Yizza?

21:52Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

21:52Ian Dennis:That was really emotional. I was in tears again for that.

21:55John Murray:Yeah.

21:56Ali Bruce-Ball:I was actually in tears.

21:57Ian Dennis:Yeah, it was really touching, wasn't it? Yeah. You were in tears.

22:01John Murray:I didn't think you did the emotion. Well, I did for that. Well. I've got to say, that is a confession and a heart.

22:08Ali Bruce-Ball:Well, I'll tell you what, Ian. I mean, John might not want to bring this to the pod, but you were talking about young tears in front of football, John, before we started recording, which surprised me. It's quite a confession.

22:18Ian Dennis:It surprised me because it was really, again, it sparked a memory, Ian, because I was looking back at Arsenal's European finals. And when I got back to the 1980 Cup Winners' Cup final, wasn't it? 1980 Cup Winners' Cup final when Arsenal lost on penalties to Valencia.

22:34John Murray:Graham Ricks missed. Yeah.

22:35Ian Dennis:I suddenly remembered I was in tears when he missed that penalty. Young schoolboy, John Murray, in tears.

22:42John Murray:Yeah, but if you recall, we did something at Burton, at St. George's Park earlier in the season, and there was a series of questions that were asked by the social media team. Who's the emotional one out of the two of us? And you went him. Yeah, which you are. Well, I am, but I don't try and hide my emotions. I am emotional. I think there's nothing wrong with being emotional. Well, I don't try and hide my emotions.

23:02Ali Bruce-Ball:Just before this gets too emotional, just going back to the post-match interviews as well, John, from the snooker, Mark Allen's interview after he lost and missed, you know, for them, what was a sort of tap-in black, wasn't a gimme black, to win his semi-final. And then the Sean Murphy interview, the pair of them, having lost massive matches, the interviews they gave, I thought, were absolute class and could teach a thing or two to many other different sports people in different fields about dealing with, you know, triumph and disaster and treating both imposters the same. I thought they were so impressive, those two.

23:38Anyway, after that diversion and going back to West Ham, where I will be on Sunday, Simon has sent us an email with the subject Una Problema Matrimonial.

23:52Ian Dennis:And it says, hello, chaps. I don't have a dog to walk, but I am having a problem that I was wondering if my fellow listeners are also experiencing. sing. My wife has told me that if I do not stop singing, Nuno Espirito Santo, brackets badly, she's going to leave me. Does anyone have any advice for me? T.S. Justice for John. Thank you very much, Simon, for that.

24:21John Murray:Simon, until that last comment, I was with you, but basically now, after that last comment, just deal with it. And I'm siding with your wife.

24:31Ian Dennis:I must mention as well, I got an email from David Woods. What, the Dave Woods? No, no. Sorry, this was David Wood. I got an email from David Wood, not to be confused with Dave Woods. And David Wood said he always enjoys when we reference Dave Woods. and he said that his dad, who's also called David Wood, is going to Madrid and he asked for some suggestions about where his dad should go because he heard us talking about Madrid and the sherry bar. So I've sent the details of where to find the sherry bar to David Wood, who's passed it on to his dad and he's going to let me know when he comes back.

25:19He's going to let me know what his dad thought of it.

25:22John Murray:And have you also told David Wood Jr. to tell David Wood Sr. to keep a hand on his wallet on the back?

25:27Ian Dennis:Yeah, very much so. I've given him full advice on what to do and how to stay safe on the Madrid Metro. Right, on now to the unintended pub names. A couple of unintended pub names from sports commentary for you. before we return to league action in Clash of the Commentators. Last week, we had, and just to explain, this is where you hear a phrase that's used in football commentary, sports commentary, and you think, actually, that sounds like an unintended pub name. Last weekend, we had the fluctuating fortunes and the chorus of boos. We also had a film name, Goal Side of Heaven, and we asked you for your plot suggestions.

26:15Ian Dennis:so thank you for those um we're just going to read out our favorite one and it comes from Liverpool fan Adam who says first time emailing in the gold side of heaven I feel would go a little like this with debt racking up and the cost of living through the roof a struggling village church minister notices a football tournament with a cash prize attempting to create a team out of the congregation, the vicar realises he needs more than faith to create a tournament-winning team from the ageing parishioners. So, can he turn water into wine and save the church? Very good.

26:55John Murray:And with that plot line, would you watch it? Of course. Because last week you were dismissive of watching a film called The Gold Side of Heaven. Oh, yeah. But that's a little bit more

27:06Ian Dennis:quaint British film.

27:07Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. It feels like it's going to have the vibe of sort of Calendar Girls or something like that about it, doesn't it? A sort of British comedy with your classic British actors in. Yeah, no, I think I'd watch that. That sounds good. We've got a new pub name suggestion here from Julian in Hastings who is listening to Matt Upson on commentary with John as the teams came out for the second half of Arsenal against Atletico Madrid.

27:34Ian Dennis:I can tell you that Diego Sineone has been sitting on his padded red seat on the side of the pitch behind the technical area. He sent his players out early, and Matt Upson, I would say he is simmering. Simmering Simone.

27:52Ali Bruce-Ball:The Simmering Simeone would be a simply decorated pub serving a range of tapas, cold beers and decent wines, functional, sturdy wooden tables on stripped-down wood floors under the direction of the no-nonsense short-fuse management. You're advised not to complain about the food, and there is a decent chance of a lock-in if you play your cards right. Thanks, and best wishes to all at TCV. Julian, excellent. Very good.

28:16John Murray:And what about this one from Adam in Waterford? Dear TCV, last Friday evening I was watching my local team, Waterford FC, play Galway in the Irish Premier Division. At the end of a dire first half for my team, a fellow spectator showed me the screen on his mobile telephone, which conveyed the information that the XG for Waterford was 0.04. We joked about whether that was gained during the pre-match handshake. Anyway, on the way home, I thought that the XG would be a good pub name. Football-themed drinks, including Chelsea, for which the recipe changes every few weeks. Tottenham, horrible to look at, but goes down in the end.

29:01John Murray:Liverpool only serve to groups, as you'll never walk alone. Thanks to the excellent podcast. It's lovely to hear guests of the calibre of John Helm, Vicky Sparks and Connor McNamara. And good news for Waterford, they equalised with the last kick of the game. Drama at the Regional Sports Centre.

29:18Ian Dennis:Thank you, Adam. I've never been to Waterford. Have you been to Waterford?

29:22Ali Bruce-Ball:No.

29:22Ian Dennis:I quite like the sound of that. And the XG is actually a very good suggested pub name, isn't it? that would attract a certain crowd wouldn't it let's do this one before we move on it's from john in naramba queensland hey gents love the pod particularly the banter an unintended pub name from the tv commentary of arsenal verse form sliced by saliva i see this one as a pop-up pizza food truck appearing outside bottom eight clubs only during the last few games of the season It would charge exorbitant prices for each slice. But most importantly, drinks would only be sold in cups, not a bottle in sight.

30:06Ian Dennis:Keep up the great work. And if you could give a hat tip to my indoor and six-a-side teams, Total Ham and Dirty Yellows, that would be appreciated. Of course, Total Ham and Dirty Yellows. Good luck this weekend to those two. And Slice by Sleeper. That's a very good call, isn't it? It's got a great delivery, hasn't it, John?

30:29John Murray:Yeah, yeah.

30:30Ian Dennis:And actually... Dirty yellows in slice by Saliba. Well, let's hope not. And on a similar-ish theme, I've seen over the course of the last 24 hours, have you seen the promo for the World Cup from the Brazilian beer company? Is it Brahma? It is Brahma. Yeah, have you seen that yet? No. You will absolutely love that. Really? I mean, it's about five minutes long. Wow. And I sent it to a friend of mine who then said, have you seen the Adidas World Cup advert? Have you seen that? No. And that also, it features Timothee Chalamet. Timothee Chalamet and other stars. But honestly, they are both. And I hope they're showing them at the cinema.

31:17Ian Dennis:I'd love to see them on the big screen.

31:19Ali Bruce-Ball:Does the Brazil one, John, then just feature lots of classic Brazil World Cup footage? so I'm thinking immediately what job

31:26Ian Dennis:I won't spoil it but yes it does but it's done very very well you will both love it look it up

31:37John Murray:have we had any correspondence from Brazil do we have any listeners

31:40Ian Dennis:in Brazil I think we have I think we have Sao Paulo possibly anyway there's a there's a challenge for you if you're listening in Brazil and if you spot an unintended pub film or food kiosk name thank you john uh in any sports commentary do let us know tcvi bbc.co.uk or whatsapp messages to 08000 289 369

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33:37Ali Bruce-Ball:The commentator's view on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis. Right, on to Clash of the Commentators. So not play this for at least a couple of weeks on the pod. It's where two of us take turns to answer a question and give as many correct answers as we can in 30 seconds. Last time out was the Blackburn Burnley one, John, that you and I did where I managed to nick it. We've not actually discussed that with Ian, have we?

34:10John Murray:Did you hear that, Ian? I did. Yeah. And I actually think that I would have struggled with Blackburn players, but I think that I would have probably beaten you both through Burnley. Yeah. Right. I wouldn't have got many, but I would have got... More than us. I'd have mentioned Jack Cork, who I think you both failed to mention. Yeah, we did. Yeah. I've got to say it was a tricky one. It certainly was. That was a horror. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

34:37Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. I think today's is less tricky. I managed to nick that one on a John Dahl-Thomason tiebreaker. Anyway, this is the current league table. So after my win there, John is bottom six wins from 15 games. So that is well below a 50 % win percentage. I'm in second on seven from 16, which is also below a 50 % win percentage. And Ian, flying high still, 10 wins from 14 games. but he has lost he's lost his last two John

35:10John Murray:I'm not in good form

35:12Ali Bruce-Ball:you know about that

35:13Ian Dennis:that Burnley Blackburn has finished me off Ian but I've now got to win this for Ali I know but what I did

35:20John Murray:enjoy about that Burnley Blackburn one is the fact that you were sort of like hamming it up saying if I win then the title race could be on and all of a sudden you fell flat on your face that tickled me

35:31Ali Bruce-Ball:okay right so this is Ian against John today who's up first who's going first

35:37Ian Dennis:Well, John's the challenger. I'll let him decide. Okay, I'll go first and get it out of the way, as they used to say on the Generation game.

35:44Ali Bruce-Ball:So Ian's unplugging. I think you're both... Yeah, he's unplugged. He's gone. I think you're both going to like this. So...

35:52Ian Dennis:I can't like it any less than Burnley Blackburn.

35:54Ali Bruce-Ball:No, you'll definitely like it more than that. We've been discussing it in the pod already this week. Palace, Villa, Arsenal, all through to major European finals. So I want you to name any player to have featured in their side's previous major European final. So obviously Crystal Palace aren't involved in that, John. We're looking for Villa players from the 82 European Cup final.

36:19Ian Dennis:Yeah.

36:19Ali Bruce-Ball:Or Arsenal players from the 2006 Champions League final. So obviously Arsenal have been in other European finals. We've discussed that, but for this category, we're looking for 2006 Champions League final and Villa's European Cup final in 82. So the two European Cup finals. A little clue for you. I don't think you'll need this clue, John, but I'm going to give it because I'm going to give it to both men. Both matches involved goalkeeper substitutions. Your time starts now.

36:52Ian Dennis:Layman and Almunia, Sol Campbell, Thierry Henry, Fabregas, then I'm gonna go Jimmy Rimmer, Nigel Spink, Dennis Mortimer, Tony Morley, Gordon Cowens, Peter Wythe, Gary Shaw,

37:19Or, oh, God.

37:23Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, that's good. That's good. I think that's competitive, John. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. So that's 12 answers given. I'm just going to wait and see. Yeah. Well, also, do you know what I think? Ian's just commentated on two legs of Villa Forest, so he will have looked back to that European Cup final, won't he? So I think he's going to go heavy in there.

37:46Ian Dennis:Mind you, I look back at that Arsenal final team from 06.

37:51Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, that's true. That is true. Okay, I think they're all correct, John. Okay. I think they're all correct. I think you'll get 15. Okay, okay. Let's give him a wave then. Let's give him a wave. Unless he's fallen asleep after his late finish last night. Here we go. Here we go. Right, so in terms of me trying to catch Ian and John as well, but I could really do with you winning this, John. Anyway, here we go without further ado. This is all on major European finals. Following our discussion about Palace, Villa and Arsenal all through to the major European finals this season. So we need you to name any player to have featured in their side's previous European Cup final.

38:40Ali Bruce-Ball:So obviously Palace aren't involved in this, Ian. We are looking for players from Aston Villa's 1982 final against Bayern Munich and Arsenal's 2006 final against Barcelona. Little clue for you. I know you don't need it. Both matches involved goalkeeper substitutions. Your time starts now.

38:59John Murray:OK, on 82 would be Rimmer and Spinks, or Nigel Spink. Lehman for Arsenal. You'd have had Morley. You'd have had Shaw. you'd have had Peter With Mortimer McNaughton Evans Alan Evans

39:30Ali Bruce-Ball:Okay okay okay okay so answers given 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 6, 7, I think nine answers. Minor controversy, but in fact not controversial. Is it Ken McNaughton or Ken McNaught? Ken McNaught. So McNaughton we cannot allow just being counted up at the moment. Ian, what are you thinking? Are you confident or not?

39:57John Murray:I focus more on Villa. I don't know why it is with my mind. I can remember things from 40 odd years ago that I I struggle to remember from 20 years ago. And I remember Lehman. I should have probably gone Saul Campbell as well. But I just decided to focus on Villa. I think John will have beaten me.

40:20Ali Bruce-Ball:Okay. Okay, well, I can tell you, Ian, you gave nine answers and got eight correct. And actually, the Villa names you rattled off were very similar to the ones John rattled off at the start. But John actually gave 12 answers, all of which were correct. So that is a third defeat in a row for our leader. And, John, you move level with me on seven wins from 16. We are both seven from 16, and Ian is 10 from 15. And in terms of the other names not mentioned there, Kenny Swain. Kenny, I couldn't think of the left back. Gary Williams. Oh, you both said Mortimer. Yeah. Cowan's Des Bremner. Did you say Des Bremner?

41:02Ali Bruce-Ball:No, no. Shaw with Morley and Spink. And then the Arsenal team, Lehmann Almunia came on for him after he was sent off. Emmanuel Abue, Colo Torres, Sol Campbell, Ashley Cole, Perez, Gilberto Silva, Fabregas, Hleb. I would love it if one of you said Alexander Hleb. Ljumberg and Thierry. Oh, no, John, you said Henri, didn't you? Yes, you said Henri. Flamini and Reyes came off the bench. So, win for you, John.

41:33John Murray:well congratulations John well deserved I could tell that you'd won I could see that Noah's grin on your face

41:43Ali Bruce-Ball:what's the league table by the way so you're you're 10 from 15 and we're both 7 from 16 I wonder if are we going to it's probably not planned but we

41:53John Murray:I still don't think I can be caught

41:54Ian Dennis:well it depends doesn't it Ian whether there's if justice was done that would be 98 oh you give that a rest it would be 98

42:02Ali Bruce-Ball:but also So, do we have a definitive, when is our last episode of the season? Are we playing a game of Clash of the Commentators in our live episode next Tuesday? Are games towards the end of the season worth double points? There's all sorts of questions to be answered there.

42:18John Murray:Yeah, but I've technically got a game in hand and I'm still three clear. Every week, though, listeners now saying justice for John. Well, actually, they've realised that if they want to get on and get a mention, then they go, hashtag Justin for John. You're becoming tiresome.

42:37Ian Dennis:Anyway, let's move on, because we've still got the glossary. We should move on. We've still got the glossary to do. And also, I quite like this. And actually, listening back to the John Helm edition, I did hear the original piece of correspondence, I think it was, or the latest piece of correspondence from one of our listeners called Rees. and we have some more reese news because reese in east london has sent us a whatsapp to 08000 289 369 and then says dstcv i'm writing to respond to the lovely message from my fellow reese that you read out last week i absolutely agree that it's wonderful how your podcast has brought your listeners together and i love their suggestion of the two of us being like wenger and Ferguson, even more so when you suggested we both hang out in the Reese's Rovers pub, which I hope is a reality somewhere in the world.

43:36Ian Dennis:In answer to Ian's question of who we support, I'm a West Ham fan, says this Reese, and have been since I was a kid in the 90s. I can just about remember signing the likes of Teddy Sheringham and Ian Wright, and when Dagenham Motors used to be the front of shirt sponsor. So perhaps going forward, I can be the 90s West Ham race. I can't wait to hear who my fellow race supports, unless it's Tottenham. How awkward. From 90s West Ham race. And then, lo and behold, look who sent us a voice note. Hi, guys. This is the other race from East London here.

44:13John Murray:Thank you for featuring the correspondence between myself and my namesake on the podcast over the last couple of weeks. who knows there may be more Reeces from various parts of London or the country out there who want to join our TCV Reece Collective and Ali thank you for asking I am a West Ham fan which

44:31Ian Dennis:has been quite torturous over the last couple of weeks hopefully yeah he may also be a Hammers fan how about that they are both West Ham fans both Reece both East London both West Ham fans and both probably from the 90s or thereabouts. How are we going to distinguish between them? We're going to need them to get back in touch. Maybe they've got different hair colour, different shoe size.

45:00Ali Bruce-Ball:Well, surnames.

45:02Ian Dennis:Surnames could be one way of distinguishing them. Year of birth. Year of birth could be another one.

45:10Ali Bruce-Ball:That's true.

45:10Ian Dennis:So there we are.

45:12Ali Bruce-Ball:Good, like that. That's good, isn't it? Bringing people together, Jim.

45:15Ian Dennis:We are. Yeah. Yeah. We are the world. Now it is time for the great glossary of football commentary as we add commentary terms and phrases to our collection. And you can find the entire glossary, if you look, when you find it on BBC Sounds, it is in what we call the episode description. So if you scroll down, they are all there, all of the terms. so we go division one for football exclusive terms and division two for terms used in football commentary but also used in other sports so last week we put lollipop and half time in the tie into division one we were struggling to think of other sports with two-legged matches where you might use half time in the tie craig and asher has sent us this hi guys big fan of the

46:10Ali Bruce-Ball:podcast, love the commentator's view but I'm going to need to be that guy I'm afraid. As a writer and commentator in British ice hockey, it's actually used for cup ties in our sport too In the Elite League Challenge Cup quarterfinal and semifinals then later in the playoff quarterfinals the ties are played on a home and away basis with the winner decided on aggregate So I'm really sorry to be a party pooper on this one but it's got to be a Division 2 entry based on that.

46:36Ian Dennis:Thank you very much Craig and similarly Doncaster fan And Matt also says, I want to bring to your attention the oft overlooked world of ice hockey, where the Challenge Cup semifinals and the playoff quarterfinals are both played over two legs. As a huge Sheffield Steelers supporter, it's not uncommon for me to hear head coach Aaron Fox or in-house commentator, the wonderful Jonathan Fernley, describe the end of the first leg as being half time in the tie. The phrase must therefore, unfortunately, be demoted to Division Two. Keep up the good work.

47:09Ali Bruce-Ball:That is top work from our listeners, keeping us bang on track. Just shows you how difficult it is to get something into Division 1. Chris in Bournemouth has got in touch as well and says, British Speedway Cup meetings are over two legs. And he says, shout out to my dad Shads, who's been texting the results of each heat for over 20 years at the British Speedway Cup meeting. So you are saying there, Chris, that half-time in the tie, yeah, comes into the speedway too.

47:39John Murray:Have you ever been to speedway? I actually

47:42Ali Bruce-Ball:haven't.

47:43Ian Dennis:No. But I think in my early days, certainly in local radio, we would do the speedway results and I think in my early days when I did the bulletins on Five Live, I think we included the speedway scores in there as well.

47:56Ali Bruce-Ball:Really? Can you remember team names? Cradley Heath. So they're not called the you know, the something somethings?

48:05Ian Dennis:oh what's the one that I'm thinking of

48:07Ali Bruce-Ball:oh hang on there's one Peterborough Panthers apparently that's the kind of thing I was thinking of yeah yeah Peterborough Panthers yeah that would have been that would have been a low scoring clash of the commentators I think

48:17Ian Dennis:it would new suggestions Will from St Andrews beautiful St Andrews says while listening to the commentary of Bournemouth vs Crystal Palace on Sunday John Akers used a phrase to describe the effort by Lerma to try to defend Evan Nielsen's header.

48:37Ali Bruce-Ball:I'd be really disappointed with that Crystal Palace, the concede from a set-piece, free header for Evan Nielsen. Really poor from Jefferson Lerma. I mean, you're right, Danny, that was extraordinary, wasn't it? You know, you talk about, it's a bit of a 50p head job, isn't it?

48:52Ian Dennis:I mean, what is going on? It's just headed in completely the wrong direction. Danny gathered on with John Akers, and Will says, I don't know if 50p head is already in the glossary, but I can't think of it being included in commentary of any other sport. It could also be a pub name, much like the Queen's Head pub. I like 50p head.

49:14Ali Bruce-Ball:I like it because it just, it describes it perfectly, doesn't it? You're trying to head it in one direction, but it's obviously come off the edge of the coin and gone flying the other way. I mean, that is Division I, isn't it? Would we use that anywhere else?

49:28Ian Dennis:I can't. No, I can't imagine. in any other sports or probably division one can i can i lob a couple in what one's not strictly

49:36Ali Bruce-Ball:glossary but it tickled me so i was listening last saturday i was listening to mark webber who was doing updates from one of the league two games as as that season finished in dramatic fashion and obviously with lots of permutations going on in his preview piece he said you don't need to be rachel riley to do the maths on this one dot dot dot which which brought a smile to my face because i would always go and rachel riley is obviously the right name to use there because she's been on countdown for a long long time now is the incumbent has been for a while but i would still say carol vorderman so which is the correct one is there a correct one or does that just depend on which i mean which would you go with or are we just showing our age because i you see i would say you don't need to be carol vorderman but but you should probably say you

50:21Ian Dennis:don't need to be rachel riley but what do you think i would go carol vorderman yeah that's a little bit like they're being stopped for speeding isn't it who do you think you are and then ready are new

50:37Ian Dennis:wasn't necessarily thinking ready on it you know but it would be who do you think you are based on which was the leading british driver of the time that's right yeah who do you think you are sterling moss who do you think you are james hunt who do you think you are nigel mansell

50:55Ali Bruce-Ball:that's right that's right yeah I do enjoy those or calm down so and so whichever field you're purporting to be an expert in alright calm down whoever it is yeah those are good those are very good the other one it would currently be who do you think

51:11Ian Dennis:you are Lando Norris you haven't

51:13John Murray:hold on John you haven't you haven't nailed your colours to the mast yet would you go Rachel Riley or Carol Vorderman

51:18Ian Dennis:um do you know that's a real you could go yeah I think you could go either there because they both did it for such a long time.

51:28Ali Bruce-Ball:Johnny Ball. Johnny Ball, John, for you.

51:30Ian Dennis:Think of a number.

51:35Ali Bruce-Ball:The other one, the other one I must bring up is set.

51:38Ian Dennis:I'd probably, it would probably be Vorderman then, yeah. Okay. By the way, I very much enjoyed getting a mention in for my favourite weather forecaster, Louise Lea, the other night.

51:48Ali Bruce-Ball:Where did you do that?

51:50Ian Dennis:Because, do you remember when we went to, well, you do, because it was only like a couple of weeks ago, Madrid and we had the doom-laden forecasts and it was like a big issue the night before there was a storm warning for Madrid this could have major implications for the first leg of the semi-final there could be thunder lightning torrential rain there was nothing apart from a slight breeze so I suggested that maybe they need to do some work in the Spanish meteorological office and that in Spain they're no Louise Lear or Carol Kirkwood. Well, Carol Kirkwood.

52:30Ali Bruce-Ball:Well, so there you go. There's a good clash of the commentators category, TV, weather, broadcasters, forecasters. No, but the other one I wanted to bring up was Phil Zentner, our engineer, Phil, who always lobs brilliant things into this podcast. And the one he said to me the other day was the word managerless. so you describe a football club as being managerless but we never use that in any other walk of life you know and the example phil gave to me was if your local supermarket was sort of looking for a new manager you wouldn't describe it as the the managerless tesco would you where where else do we use managerless is it only in football i know that's a really good observation i think i'm happy to put that into division one yeah i am yeah yeah i mean it might be other sports would you use it In other sports?

53:15Ali Bruce-Ball:Probably.

53:16Ian Dennis:Probably.

53:16Ali Bruce-Ball:Okay, let's put it in there for now. Let's put it in there.

53:19Ian Dennis:Yeah, let's do it. Because they wouldn't say that. Because it seems like now we're the only ones, aren't we, who talk about managers as opposed to coaches. You know, abroad, they always talk about coaches. So in other sports, they probably talk about coaches rather than managers. So we'll put it into Division I. And let's round off with this lovely voice note from Liz, who is a Liverpool and Coventry fan from Warwickshire.

53:45John Murray:Hello John, Ian and ABB. It feels rather strange to be messaging having finally caught up with your back catalogue, mostly while out for a run or on a walk with our dog Harvey, the Cavapoo. I did wonder what I'd let myself in for when the first episode I heard was with John Hunt and it gave me an earworm for the whole of my long run. Despite that, Nuno Espirito Santo really made me smile and I've been a fan ever since. Your words and stories nowadays have filtered into our family life and my eight-year-old daughter Phoebe often exclaims flipping eggs when something has gone a bit wrong. I found myself listening to Saturday afternoons on Five Live through different ears, knowing Claire and her team will be working so hard in the background.

54:26John Murray:And I've even listened to golf commentary, not being a golf fan, and really appreciated the craft of you and your colleagues. Locally, much of the talk and excitement has been about Coventry's long-awaited return to the Premier League and their success despite the lack of a parachute payment Despite not being perhaps an actual commentary term could it be a contender for the glossary? Perhaps even entering the top tier like the Sky Blues will be? I leave that to your expert opinions P.S. John, you were robbed Munch, Consume and the others you said were all excellent choices and you were right to be annoyed hopefully you can get your own back next season bye well liz it's not over yet this season

55:07Ian Dennis:uh you were enjoying that ian weren't you until yeah liz has let herself down no that was lovely liz wasn't it it was that was lovely from here it was thank you liz yeah much much appreciate the last bit i enjoyed hearing flipping eggs again flipping egg yeah that comes

55:27Ali Bruce-Ball:from Rocio in Mexico. Did it? That's well remembered. Yes, who speaks brilliant English, but just got hold of flipping egg, couldn't work out what flipping egg was, and thought it was flip an egg. So she used to say flip an egg, and then it's just stuck, because it's just so good, flip an egg. It's so much better than flipping egg, so it's thanks to her that we've got that one. Very good.

55:52Ian Dennis:Right, so to summarise the glossary for this week, half-time in the tie has very much been relegated to Division 2 parachute payment would probably have to be Division 1 would you have parachute payments in any other sport? I doubt it probably couldn't afford it and 50p head and managerless are being put into Division 1

56:24Ian Dennis:Hooray! So that's about it from this week, although our producer Nathan has been beavering away, and he's been looking up listeners from Brazil. And we have Joao from West London, who grew up in Brazil. We've had Corey, who at the time of writing was currently studying in Brazil. And we've had Adam in Rio de Janeiro. So, yes, we have had Ian at least one listener in Brazil. So watch them now. We'll get a torrent of correspondence from Brazil.

57:03John Murray:But didn't you say one of them was in London? Yes. So we've had two in Brazil. She grew up in West London. Grew up in Brazil. By the way, I've just Googled what... I didn't know what flip was in Spanish. Voltia y huevo is flip an egg in Spanish. Flip an egg. Voltia y huevo with patatas. Patatas, right.

57:23Ian Dennis:do keep the unintended pub names and glossary suggestions coming in to tcv at bbc.co.uk or you can send us a message or a voice note on whatsapp to 08000 289 369 do do as many listeners have done and tell people about the commentator's view if you enjoy it recommend it to them suggest they listen and of course as we always say you two you may enjoy this but we like to think we're supposed to do our best work when we're actually commentating on football matches so at this very exciting time of the season do have a listen to the various commentaries that we are providing on 5 Live and BBC Sounds but that is it for this episode of the Football Daily and remember you can find each and every episode of the commentator's view by scrolling down your football daily feed.

58:28Ian Dennis:And I sent it to a friend of mine who then said, have you seen the Adidas World Cup advert? Have you seen that?

58:35John Murray:No.

58:35Ian Dennis:And that also, it features Timothy Chalaber. Not Chalaber.

58:44John Murray:Is he related to Nathaniel and Trevor?

58:47Ian Dennis:And Trevor. but there are actually three Chalabas. Did you not know that? Who's the third one? Timothy.

58:52Ali Bruce-Ball:Nathaniel. Well, there's four, isn't there?

58:57Ian Dennis:Timothy Chalabas. Five Live Sports. BBC Women's Football Weekly. The latest news, insights and analysis from across the women's game.

59:06Ali Bruce-Ball:Dame Serena Vigman, welcome to the... Are we including Dame in your title now?

59:11Ian Dennis:You know how much an honour that is. And it's remarkable, team!

59:17Ali Bruce-Ball:You want to play in a way that they can show their skills, so that's what we're trying to do. Win the World Cup. It's a dream. Listen.

59:25John Murray:With the BBC Sounds app.