The Commentators' View: Paloma Blanca & The Whippet Inn

13:37Ali Bruce-Ball:My fellow giggler Nick and I were actually in the same studio when it happened. That was part of the problem. We'd been winding each other up for 30 minutes whilst we prepped the results alongside other duties so by the time we were live we were in big trouble. I actually struggled to breathe at one point so intense was the giggling. Also Jeff Twentiman did have a word that's fair to say but he was very good about it actually but then I suppose he couldn't give us a real telling off with tears of laughter rolling down his face great days love my time in local radio and still miss it now keep up the good work i'll be listening um ben or nick bull so nick bull has emailed me uh in the interim as well so was obviously had a listen or it's been flagged up to him two top chaps i absolutely used to love working with at bbc radio bristol and the other thing is Jeff Twentyman got in touch and has sent me the audio.

14:40Ali Bruce-Ball:Now then, second reading of the classified football results. Ben Orbert, first of all Nick Ball. Starting with the FA Carling Premiership, Bolton 2 Blackburn 1, Coventry 0, Arsenal 0, Man United 3, Wimbledon 1, Middlesbrough 2, Chelsea 0, Tottenham 1, Liverpool 3. Into Ensley League Division 1, Birmingham City 3, Norwich 1, Crystal Palace 1, Charlton won, Derby won, Grimsby won, Luton won, Leicester won, Oldham Athletic won, Sheffield United won, Fortsmouth nil, Reading nil, excuse me, Sunderland 2, Wolves nil, Trammer 2, Huddersfield won.

15:44Ali Bruce-Ball:Ah, well, we've had a little glass of water, got rid of the fly in the frog or the fly in the throat, whichever it was, I'm not sure. Let's pick up again with the classified football results with Ben Orr. Sunderland, two Wolves. So that was it. So they had a couple of goes at that, went back to it and couldn't get it again. But what really made me chuckle, I don't know, have you ever been in a situation like that where you've been on air, you know you cannot corpse but you just can't help it what really made me laugh listening back to that was ben's attempts to cover it with a cough because it is just so blatantly feeble you might as well just give up and and laugh but trying to pretend you've got a cough is just that's

16:19Ian Dennis:what makes that funnier for me that reminds me of the absolute classic which i can't go into in detail but the great jim nocte when he ended up in a scenario laughing at something he shouldn't have been laughing at, did the same thing. And that actually made it funnier. Exactly.

16:38John Murray:There's this mock cough. What's happening in the course of the next hour? Well, first up after the news, we're going to be talking to Jeremy Hunt, the Culture Secretary, about broadband. It's eight o 'clock on Monday, the 6th of December. Even the other week, though, in one of our episodes when Nathan, our producer, put in the Johners and Aggers classic clip where he couldn't get his leg over. When I was listening to that on the podcast when I was driving, even now, that reduces me to tears in my eyes. I just find that is hilarious, even now, to this very day.

17:18Ian Dennis:I love the tinkling teacups in that. That's what really adds to it.

17:22Ali Bruce-Ball:The inner part of his side must have just removed the veil.

17:24Ian Dennis:Just didn't quite get his leg over. Anyhow, he did very well indeed.

17:29Ali Bruce-Ball:Right, moving it on, we've got another follow-up from a previous episode here last week Aston Villa fan Dom told us how he used to take a wooden step into Holt End at Villa Park when he was little I love that story listening to that on the pod last week Sheffield United supporter John has now written in Dom's tale of his granddad's wooden step at Villa Park reminded me of an incident when I took a lawnmower to Old Trafford at the time I was in the process of setting up a new home for the first time and finding that we needed to buy practical things like step ladders, an ironing board and a lawnmower.

18:06Ali Bruce-Ball:My dad came to visit and offered to take my lawnmower back with him to get it serviced ready for the move. Getting a lawnmower serviced, I mean, that doesn't happen nowadays, does it? Two weeks later, I travelled up from West Sussex to Old Trafford for the FA Cup semi-final between Sheffield United and Arsenal. We met in the car park and dad handed over my newly serviced mower only for a policeman to walk past and say, it's all right, lads, they've cut the grass already.

18:36Ian Dennis:Strangely enough, I referenced that match last weekend, that Sheffield United-Arsenal. Is that the David Seaman save? It's the David Seaman save. When Raya made that save last weekend in the North London Derby.

18:51Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, great email. Thank you, John. That's brilliant.

18:53John Murray:We've also had this from Stuart in Orange, New South Wales. I've been following TCV from the start and generally listen on my cycle around the local Australian wineries. I was interested in the recent discussion about grounds and techniques to get a better view. My first football experience was at the old Roker Park for Sunderland versus Reading in the FA Cup in 1973. Your discussion brought back vivid memories of my dad tying a scarf around the railing so I could stand in the loop so I could see the game. And the rest is history. Sunderland went on to win the FA Cup, by which time we had returned to Australia and we were listening to the Cup run on the BBC World Service.

19:35John Murray:We watched the final at midnight on a black and white TV with a bunch of dad's Aussie mates who were pretty clueless about what was going on.

19:45Ali Bruce-Ball:Properly takes you. I don't think I've ever seen that. Someone tying a scarf like that to act as a step so that someone could see.

19:52Ian Dennis:The last time Leeds were in the FA Cup final was 73. for a club of Leeds is standing.

20:00Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

20:01Ian Dennis:Yeah. So, yes, mention that. I do like a mention of the 1973 Cup final because, as I've said on here before, it is the first one I remember watching, so it has a special resonance for me. And also, talking of Australia, as we so often do on this podcast, and also continuing the chat of three-sided grounds like Oxford and Braga from last week, Chris has sent us this voice note.

20:26Ali Bruce-Ball:Hi TCV team your fellow commentator Chris from down under in Newcastle New South Wales Australia as always love the show can I put to you the home ground of the local rivals the Central Coast Mariners of my site in the A-League the Newcastle Jets their ground at Gosford is known for a couple of things one the magnificent palm trees overlooking what is known as the Brisbane waters at the southern end of the ground and two the comical inflated sauce bottles that sit alongside their big screen in the palm trees at that end of the ground thanks to one of the club's long-term sponsors keep up the great work and please add my name to the petition for an inquiry into the recent commentators view quiz outcomes well done

21:05Ian Dennis:chris well done excellent chris is referring to there chris is referring to the fact that

21:12John Murray:the nature the topics of clash of the commentators not particularly just siding with you

21:19Ali Bruce-Ball:so in the correspondence that Chris has sent us he has sent us a picture of that stadium as the sun is setting over the Brisbane waters it is absolutely stunning you have to go and look that up on the internet so did he say Gosford Central Coast Mariners we're doing a game there

21:35Ian Dennis:and yes little known John Murray fact is I love palm trees have I ever told you that? I really love palm trees and so to come take the ground with palm trees would be a real treat for me.

21:50Ali Bruce-Ball:Are you going to Miami for the World Cup this summer, John?

21:53Ian Dennis:Potentially.

21:54Ali Bruce-Ball:There we go.

21:54Ian Dennis:They'll have a lot of palm trees there.

21:57John Murray:Maybe. I think that Chris needs to spend his time wisely by starting a petition to get the next stage of the world tour from that particular venue so we can overlook the Brisbane waters.

22:12Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. The tumbling Murray falling into the Brisbane waters.

22:17John Murray:Remember John's little melodic for he's a jolly good fellow commentary from last week?

22:22Ian Dennis:Salah's able to get away from Ait Nouri, then pass the ball just slightly behind Vertu. Might get it back. Might still have it. Plays it square. Gagpul. Eke-Tike!

22:29John Murray:Across the face of goal and wide. And then Connor McNamara came out with this. Remember years and years ago,

22:37Ali Bruce-Ball:our colleague Tim Peach was producing breakfast and when did Habib Bay play for Newcastle? I would say late noughties. And to the tune of the TV show Happy Days, he took a bit of my commentary saying Habib Bay. And it was like, Monday, Tuesday, Habib Bay! Wednesday, Thursday, Habib Bay! Which I think was then adopted by Newcastle fans as a song, but I always remember that little clip on Five Live.

23:03John Murray:Well, the aforementioned producer, Tim Peach, has sent us the clip he made for Five Live Breakfast featuring some proper throwback names.

23:12Ali Bruce-Ball:And then Sean Wright Phillips puts Robinho through and he's challenged in the penalty area and the referee immediately shows a red card to...

23:33John Murray:That was superb. That was from Newcastle 2, Manchester City 2 in October 2008. Newcastle under interim manager Joe Kinnear and Manchester City were managed by Mark Hughes.

23:46Ian Dennis:On the musical theme, and I think people are going to enjoy this, West Ham fan Ross.

23:53Ali Bruce-Ball:I can't say Nuno Espirito Santo without having the tune Una Paloma Blanca in my head. It's so annoying.

24:08Ali Bruce-Ball:So apologies in advance to you three, the listeners. My mate Andy, who's going to be walking his dog, listen to this. My mum and dad will be having their tea on Saturday night. My wife Fleur, who has to put up my West Ham woes. And most of all, to my two daughters, Evie and Lexie, who will definitely be embarrassed. Nuno Espirito Santo, managing down at West Ham. Nuno Espirito Santo, relegate Spurs is the plan. So no one can take Jared away. I look forward to Ian singing it on Saturday at Anfield and Mark singing it during Sports Report when crossing to it victorious Nuno. One can only hope.

24:49Ian Dennis:Nuno Espirito Santo. And that is Una Paloma Blanca, which means, Ian, of course, your knowledge of Spanish. Well, Uno is one.

25:02John Murray:Yes. Yeah, good. I don't know what Paloma is. That's the crucial.

25:07Ian Dennis:That is the crucial.

25:09John Murray:I'm going to say something white.

25:11Ali Bruce-Ball:I'm going to say cloud.

25:13Ian Dennis:No.

25:14Ali Bruce-Ball:Isn't the right ballpark? Am I? Is it sky-based?

25:17Ian Dennis:It's a white dove. A white dove, which was a hit in the early 70s from the George Baker selection. I mean, that is a real 70s classic, isn't it? Una Paloma Blanca, which I actually looked it up this morning and was reminded that... Do you remember the Wurzels then did a cover version of that song to the same tune, which was I am a cider drinker, which I have a feeling is also sung by sporting crowds from the southwest.

25:51Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. OK. Well, if that's the case, get in touch. TCV at BBC.co.uk.

25:56John Murray:Now for our latest selection of unintended pub names from sport commentary. Last week we had the Prancing Pony from the Winter Olympics coverage when describing an Italian snowboarder called Ferrari. And a few listeners have pointed this out. Martin in Birmingham and Mark in Carlisle. The Prancing Pony must be an intentional pub name because it's the name of the pub in The Lord of the Rings.

26:19Ali Bruce-Ball:Leeds fan Jamie adds, The Prancing Pony is where the Hobbits plan to meet Gandalf at the start of their adventure and end up meeting Aragorn. Based on the books, it would be a cosy, low-ceilinged inn that welcomes folk from all walks of life with strong, locally brewed beer that often leads to dancing on tables and complete strangers belting out drinking songs in unison. I don't know the Lord of the Rings well enough to have recognised that.

26:44Ian Dennis:Well, I'm wondering, would that be the Prancing Pony pub, would that be something that was in the films but not necessarily in the J.R.R. Tolkien classic book? I'm not sure. However, it's a very good point, that, isn't it? And we've got a twist here from Brad in Australia who says, G'day, guys. I love the podcast and listen every Saturday morning while doing my domestic bliss of washing, vacuuming and cleaning. The Prancing Pony is actually a local brewery of mine here in the Adelaide Hills. I can tell you it's a cosy venue with a fireplace, but it's also rustic with lots of natural wood and some corrugated iron sheeting.

27:30Ian Dennis:The bar has more taps than a plumber's ute and there's a large chalkboard on the back wall listing the various offerings and their descriptions, says Brad in Australia in the Adelaide Hills.

27:44Ali Bruce-Ball:What is a plumber's ute? Ute's a vehicle, isn't it? Because Joe Mangle used to have a ute in Neighbours. He'd have tools in the back of the ute. Utility vehicle, maybe? Yeah, could be. Yeah. Yeah, that would be it. But he's not the only one, is he, Brad, that does domestic chores during the podcast? Because, John, wasn't it last week you wandered off to go and do some ironing or something while Ian was doing Clash of the Commentators? Was that last week that I was listening to?

28:07Ian Dennis:I did a domestic chore.

28:09Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

28:09Ian Dennis:Yes.

28:10Ali Bruce-Ball:Were you polishing the bed knobs?

28:14John Murray:No disrespect to Chris either, but I think we might have found a new venue in the Adelaide Hills for our world tour.

28:22Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. They're clocking up.

28:24John Murray:We've had a couple of fresh suggestions and we've saved this one for Ali's return to the pod this week. And it comes from Christian in Dubai.

28:33Ali Bruce-Ball:While walking the dog was listening to ABB's fantastic commentary of the Burton v West Ham FA Cup tie. And as part of his summary of the first half of Extra Time, I heard what I thought was a great pub name. This FA Cup tie is not over just yet. First period of Extra Time. We've had the stunning strike from Crescensio Somerville. Then the ill-advised challenge from Freddie Potts has taken West Ham down to 10 men. The ill-advised challenge would be the kind of pub that you swear you'll only visit once, but find yourself in far too often at the end of the night. Tucked into a side street that seems to appear only after midnight, this dimly lit establishment has built its reputation on daring decor, reckless cocktails and a menu that reads more like a waver than a wine list the walls are lined with framed hall of fame and wall of regret photos showing triumphant patrons clutching all manner of glasses and others mid laugh mid tears or mid terrible decision an overhead hangs a neon sign that reads enter confidently leave legendary i hope you enjoy this one and all the best for this weekend's commentary games.

29:47Ali Bruce-Ball:I love the sound of a reckless cocktail. Daring Dekel. That's brilliant. I wonder when Pep Guardiola

29:57John Murray:when he told his Manchester City players to have a cocktail or two last weekend if they were drinking in the ill-advised challenge.

30:05Ian Dennis:Actually after the Arsenal match last weekend I think it was James Olley our colleague James said to Mikel Arteta Mikel, Pep Guardiola said last night that he's going to give the players a few days off and told them to have some cocktails will you do something like that to which michael arteta said i don't drink cocktails

30:26Ali Bruce-Ball:tom from the wirral hi tcv podcast tcv the absolute best podcast on bbc sounds and i

30:32John Murray:listen to a lot of them so i would know uh i was listening to friday's episode of the pod on my way back from a weekend away in york um what a fantastic city by the way um i usually listen while walking my border collie dog Barney, much like many of your listeners seem to do. One of the highlights of the weekend was a visit to a fancy sort of posh pub steak speciality restaurant called the Whippet Inn, Whippet spelt like the dog breed. It might not technically make the unintended pub name discussion, but I thought the Whippet Inn surely deserves a mention here. It's actually a really nice restaurant.

31:02John Murray:We had a lovely meal there. My only slight sort of disappointment slash reservation was that the walls of the restaurant were adorned with fancy modern art and chalkboards uh detail and sort of pricing for state cuts and chateaubriand and all of those you know expensive fancy dishes rather than murals and visual tributes to legendary premier league and champions league wingers and fullbacks like ashley cole trent alexander arnold

31:27Ali Bruce-Ball:and yippe kyo sakas keep up the great work guys the whip it in so yeah i mean we talk about that all the time don't we with crosses we wouldn't say the whip it in but you do whip it in don't you Believe it or not, I've been in the Whippet Inn. That one? Yeah, that one.

31:44Ian Dennis:I would say many times I've been in the Whippet Inn in York. And believe it or not, when he's been in there as well,

31:53John Murray:I've been with him a lot of those times.

31:56Ali Bruce-Ball:We've been in the Whippet Inn. Zappacosta was the grey hand, didn't we discuss? Was that earlier this season? Yeah. We're sort of along those lines.

32:05Ian Dennis:And also, there's another contender for daring decor there, isn't there? In the Whippet Inn.

32:09John Murray:Other establishments are available in the beautiful city of York, as we also know very well too. I fear we may have peaked with this one from Steve the Hibby. Hi guys, just listening to the Sri Lanka and New Zealand game on TMS. When one of the New Zealand batsmen was given out, this surely has to be the ultimate unintended pub name.

32:30Ali Bruce-Ball:Charnet.

32:32Ian Dennis:Balls in. Chapman. goes second ball glorious delivery it's his third wicket Tikshana flighted pitched on middle hit the top of off and there's a bowler there is not a prettier sight New Zealand 84 for 5 now Chapman goes for a two ball duck

32:55John Murray:yeah that's an off spinner's dream Tikshana as you say right arm around the wicket angling that ball pitching on middle stump Chapman playing forward defensively and that just biting off the pitch taking the top of off Dickshan is known as a mystery bowler bowling his ball that he flicks out various sides of the hand but this time just a regulation off spinner that he got good revs onto and finding some spin from the surface to remove the dangerous Mark Chapman so back to back wickets now Fish will anchoring this over and they now feel that they're on top

33:27Ian Dennis:I wondered where that was going I knew it was going to be something Chapman I was rather hoping it was going to be the hapless Chapman The befuddled Chapman Yeah, the bewildered Chapman

33:42John Murray:The bamboozled Chapman

33:44Ali Bruce-Ball:The distraught Chapman

33:47John Murray:By the way, if Hare Chapman was playing cricket he isn't the type of person who would play a forward defensive shot He wouldn't be hanging around, would he?

33:55Ali Bruce-Ball:He gave the pod a mention in five live Sports Champions League coverage last night but it doesn't even use its name now. He just called it that last of the summer wine thing and he expects people to go and find it like that. But he was talking about your love for Bodo, John, or our love, actually, for, well, Buda Glimt, who, by the way, that's something we should say, we've recorded this before the Champions League draw has come out. So a lot of people, by the time they listen to this, that Champions League draw will have come out. So we are unaware, John, whether there's another trip to Buda in the offing.

34:24Ian Dennis:And, you know, I've been, Ali, you've been. so all that remains from we three no? is the penny dropping there?

34:40John Murray:the thing is though John is that unlike you I don't get to pick my games oh here we go I am told where I'm going Ross the boss

34:51Ian Dennis:we three are BBC employees and we do what we're told so if you do spot unintended pub or film names or any variation on all of that or indeed an actual pub name like the Whippet Inn, then do let us know. TCV at bbc.co.uk with the emails and whatsapps to 08000 289 369 for the voice notes. A new era of Formula One is about to dawn. I think the biggest step the sport I've ever seen. There are new rules, new cars, and a brand new team. In Formula One, it's just absolute, brutal, pure competition.

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36:34Ali Bruce-Ball:The Commentators' View on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis. On to clash of the commentators. Oli Nottingham has got in touch. I fear the recent VAR-related saltiness is pulling the reputation of TCV down to the level of the FPL BBC BBC FPL podcast from BBC FPL 606 Sound. So that's a joke on the change of name, the FPL podcast from BBC Sport and their regular debacles with Sutton Death. John and Ian, don't let Ali drag you down. Yeah, I sort of know what Ollie is saying there. We have had some instances recently where answer lists haven't quite been correct, but sometimes actually that, The controversy actually sometimes makes the competition.

37:23Ali Bruce-Ball:But I agree, we're two different pods. We do it two different ways. Clash of the Commentators is a different game. We need to be above that.

37:30John Murray:And also, John, Oli basically is saying, when he comes up with the word saltiness, that's another word now to let it go. Let it ride. It's gone. It's forgotten. Move on.

37:38Ian Dennis:I don't think it has been forgotten, because we are still getting correspondence on this. Because you keep talking about it.

37:45John Murray:Well, and it deserves still to be talked about. It's souring Ollie's experience when he's listening to the TCV.

37:52Ian Dennis:Because it could enhance his experience. Because when justice is done, let me explain to you. In Clash of the Commentators, which it is now time for, the current table is Ian, 10 points from 13 played. Then Ali and me, we are joint second with 5 points from 13. however if justice is done that would take me to six and ian back down to nine and the game would be afoot so this is how it works two of us take turns to answer a question and give as many correct answers as we can in 30 seconds and last week ian's five match winning streak came to an end at the hands of me on managerial sackings. This week, it is going to be Ian against Ali.

38:47Ian Dennis:And I think this is a tremendous question.

38:50Ali Bruce-Ball:Oh, God.

38:51Ian Dennis:I think it's a tremendous... I'm actually quite sad that I'm not doing this one. That worries me. And so it should. Because this will test you.

39:00Ali Bruce-Ball:Oh, no.

39:05Ali Bruce-Ball:So, a low score could win this, John. You say don't I think Los Gord could win this.

39:10Ian Dennis:Excellent. Los Gord could win this. Excellent. You will have the opportunity to think laterally.

39:17Ali Bruce-Ball:Oh, right. Okay.

39:18Ian Dennis:Right. Who's going first, then?

39:20Ali Bruce-Ball:I'll go first, please. Let's get this out of the way.

39:22Ian Dennis:Okay, so... You go and do some chores, then. You go and do some domestic chores, Ian. And this week, Ali, Norwegian side Buda Glimt knocked the Serie A, as I like to call them, leaders out of the Champions League as they booked their place in the round of 16. This week's question is, I want you to name any team Buda Glimt have beaten this season in any competition, which takes you back into the 2025 domestic season. There are 20 possible answers. Wow. Any team Buda Glimt has beaten this season in any competition and your time starts now.

40:03Ali Bruce-Ball:Okay, so the three in the Champions League that immediately come to mind. Manchester City, Atletico Madrid and Inter. We're then going to have to chuck some...

40:14Ali Bruce-Ball:Molder, Valorenga, Stavanger, Viking FK,

40:23Ali Bruce-Ball:Tromso, Stromgotset. Trying to think of other Norwegian teams. There must be an Oslo team. Oslo something, something.

40:34Ian Dennis:I think you've done well there. Do you? I do. I think you've done very well.

40:39Ali Bruce-Ball:Okay.

40:40Ian Dennis:Well done. Well done.

40:42Ali Bruce-Ball:I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that.

40:44Ian Dennis:Good question, that, isn't it?

40:45Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, great question.

40:46Ian Dennis:Very good. Okay, let's call Ian back. I think you'll win this. I hope so.

40:53Ali Bruce-Ball:Imagine if he loses back to back.

40:54Ian Dennis:The good news is there's also a controversial answer in there, so I hope it goes your way. Hello, hello. Hello. Are you ready?

41:01John Murray:Yes, I'm ready.

41:02Ian Dennis:Okay. so the question this week Ian Norwegian side Buda Glimt knocked out the Serie A leaders in the Champions League this week as they booked their place in the round of 16 I want you to name any team Buda Glimt have beaten this season in any competition so we're going back into the 2025 domestic season for them as well, there are 20 possible answers, so it is any team Buda Glimt have beaten this season in any competition and your time starts now

41:35John Murray:well Atletico Madrid Manchester City Inter Milan and then I would go Rosenberg

41:48John Murray:Rosenberg

41:54John Murray:Bran Sondal I think they're in the second division

42:07John Murray:Sondal, Eric Bakker used to play for Sondal. I've got a feeling now they are in the second division in Norway.

42:13Ian Dennis:I could have said Tromso. You could, but if you had said Tromso, it wouldn't have been right. They obviously didn't beat Tromso. They drew with Tromso, in fact. They drew with Tromso this season. Right. Well, there is a clear winner. Alistair Bruce Ball. Seven. Oh. Ian Dennis, five. Oh. So Ali takes it. Cool. I didn't even think I'd got five. No, I didn't either. But you did actually get Bran. Bran. That's good. What was the... Rosenberg. I didn't say Rosenberg. Bran and Rosenberg were correct answers.

42:49John Murray:Right. I mean, forgive me for being salty, but the fact that you two have covered Bodo Williams.

42:58Ian Dennis:Yeah, I didn't cover them much in the domestic Norwegian league last year.

43:02Ali Bruce-Ball:Last season I did them. Last season.

43:04Ian Dennis:Yeah. You could have had Brunner, Ham Cam, not Sam Cam, Ham Cam, Junkeren, Oslo, I think you'll have got that one, KFUM Oslo, Rosenberg, Haugersund, Bran, you said, Sandefjord, Frederikstad, Viking, as you mentioned, Valorenga, you said, Ali, Stroms Godset, Ali, you came up with. I was delighted with that. Former club of Martin Odegaard, Udegaard, Uder. So Strom's God said, Christiansen, you didn't say. Odgrenland, neither of you said. Sarpsborg, Molder. And then neither of you said Sturm Graz, who were the other team that they beat in the league phase.

43:50John Murray:I've got to say, Ali, that is a deserved win, especially if you've come out with Strom Godset. It's delighted. then that is one of the answers of the series. So fair play.

44:02Ian Dennis:And Nathan, the producer, has just put in a little bit of additional information on Buda to tell us that they are the first team from outside of Europe's big five leagues to win four consecutive matches in a European Cup stroke Champions League campaign against opponents from those leagues, England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France, since Ajax in 1971-72, who won the European Cup last season. Of course, they won it three years in a row, didn't they, Ajax?

44:34Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, yeah. By the way, the Wednesday night of Champions League football just gone, which was an absolute thriller. I spotted as well the Atalanta comeback against Borussia Dortmund. One of the stats there was first team to overturn a two-goal deficit from the first leg of a Champions League tie since Liverpool beat Barcelona in the semi-finals, the famous game, the Origi goal from the Trent Alexander on a corner, Ian's commentary with Alan Shearer. But that, you know, it doesn't happen often. That was an amazing... And did you see the way that game finished? So Atalanta got a penalty. They were 3-0 up at half-time.

45:09Ali Bruce-Ball:It went back to 3-1 on the night, and it looked like it was going to extra time. And then Ben Sabayini, the centre-back, accidentally scorpion-kicked the opposition centre-forward in the head, trying to clear a cross after the keeper had given the ball away. It wasn't given as a penalty initially. Blood pouring down the centre-forward's face. Referee sent to the screen, gives the penalty. And then one of the best penalties you'll ever see taken in any situation just whipped into the top corner. Full-time whistle, end of game. Only Italian team through to the last 16. It was brilliant. It was an absolutely brilliant game of football.

45:43Ian Dennis:And actually, we were looking ahead of the Newcastle match on Tuesday. there you know there aren't too many big turnarounds from first leg deficits in the champions league you know so they are quite rare that they come about just a couple of suggestions

45:58John Murray:for the great glossary of football commentary this week remember we're looking for commentary terms and phrases which you may have heard on the radio and you can find our entire glossary in the episode description so division one for football exclusive terms division two for terms used in football commentary but also used in other sports and last week we added coupon buster into division one let's start with a message from germany hello guys 14 year old ella here from berlin what a great city berlin is i love the podcast and listen on the way back from friday basketball practice while listening to this week's edition of the pod i had a revelation my suggestion is the common term used when a player gets a yellow card as they are then often referred to as being booked or if john was saying it booked despite the fact that you can get yellow cards in other sports for example rugby i haven't heard the term booked being used that's why i believe that that being booked should be put into division one excited to hear your thoughts on this well i think

47:12Ian Dennis:that's a very good suggestion actually when you think about it that is such a football term isn't

47:17Ali Bruce-Ball:it to be booked yeah and in other sports so rugby ella mentions there but i'm thinking always go to hockey obviously um it's quite often a a yellow card and off to the sin bin but you you know being booked is obviously the referee i mean literally is the referee taking out the notebook and writing the player's name down in the book i can't think of another sport where that happens but again our listeners with all the other sports around the world might be able to put us right on that but

47:43Ian Dennis:i think that's a great suggestion the other scenario where booked would be used that comes into my mind is from american cop shows where they would always talk about do you remember hawaii 5-0 book him danny yeah and chips yeah book him book him book him book him book him although i'm not sure they'd ever in the aftermath of that say he's been booked no you're right john it was given as a

48:11Ali Bruce-Ball:an order i'm gonna book you or book him yeah but you wouldn't yeah no i have now booked you

48:16Ian Dennis:no so i'm gonna i'm gonna go with ella and i'm gonna put that in division one excellent do you

48:23Ali Bruce-Ball:agree yep thank you ella serie a as you would say john in italian uh the other one today for the glossary john from hartley wintney in hampshire i'm currently sat at halftime watching a frankly poor Everton against Manchester United game where England's number one Jordan Pickford is optimising the very definition of being a sweeper-keeper. It struck me that this would be a fairly obvious Division 1 inclusion. I thought it my duty to bring this to your attention. I would imagine the term sweeper could also be used in curling, but the sweeper-keeper I'm sure is an exclusive football term. John is probably right there.

48:59Ali Bruce-Ball:I think John is probably right.

49:01Ian Dennis:John from Hartley-Wintney. It could also be a pub name. the sweeper keeper. You know what's funny there, Ali,

49:08John Murray:is that you've just gone poor. Poor. And I've already said booked. Booked. Last week, and I meant to make a note of the time, but John actually went sore in last week's. Pod, in the pod. Yeah, in the pod. When we do an impression of John, sore. And he did it. And I listened to it. I went back and I made a note of the time and I'd forgotten it.

49:36Ali Bruce-Ball:That is the poor of me. I occasionally do it and sort of nearly fooled one of our producers where they spoke to me down the line and the first thing I said was, hello, like that, which John will often say. Well, I know that doesn't sound anything like you, John. But Rob Green was sitting next to me. He looked at me and went, that is dreadful. He knew what I was trying to do. He said, that is dreadful.

49:59Ian Dennis:I do. And actually, that's another sort of that we've not mentioned on here. I don't know whether you two get this, but I do occasionally get people impersonating me to me. Right. And sometimes there's people I don't even know, which is quite odd. And one who I think does always make me laugh is the press association's Simon Peach. Oh, yeah. Who thinks he's absolutely nailed me.

50:24Ali Bruce-Ball:But he's, yeah. And what's the phrase most often chosen, John? Because I would go with my hello, because that's just easy.

50:33Ian Dennis:Hello is often, yeah, and poor, obviously. Poor.

50:37John Murray:So in summary, sweeper-keeper and booked, or booked, both in Division 1.

50:48Ian Dennis:Hooray! Contributions, tcv at bbc.co.uk for the great glossary of football commentary, but we're going to finish with this from Luke in Norway. Hello, gents. I just want to say thanks to Alistair Bruce Ball for making me look like a genius. I recently listened to the pod on a Friday afternoon and found myself at the local bar 30 minutes from Oslo. Three hours later, when a pile of English dudes rolled in, brackets, very unusual for this tiny establishment surrounded by various farms, end brackets, I quickly approached them and asked where they were from. The first gent said, Lincoln. Well, I said, I know a fact about Lincoln.

51:32Ian Dennis:I proceeded to retell Ali's brilliant fact about Lincoln Cathedral once being the world's tallest building, as if it was my own. The Lincoln gent was aware of the fact and was astounded that I could share this fact on cue, thus making me appear far more worldly and intelligent than I actually am. Thanks, Ali. Loving the pod as always. Luke from Norway.

51:57Ali Bruce-Ball:that's brilliant Luke I'm delighted about it and you probably have to thank the people who drew out Lincoln against Ipswich in the FA Cup a few seasons ago and then our bosses for giving me that game which got me into looking at Lincoln the actual flip of that is I remember quite early on in my career at Five Live my wife Lucy telling me who's from Salisbury where I now live that Salisbury has the tallest I think I think she claimed at the time still had the tallest cathedral spire in europe so i then delivered this as a fact on five live and when i delivered that it had been surpassed by two or three others and i ended up looking a complete fool so it can work the other way lou but i'm glad it worked the right way this time and actually we had a message

52:40Ian Dennis:on that subject as well or i had a message from our bbc colleague james porter who said that uh he said it's a fair point that 200 odd years was a decent run for lincoln cathedral but he said he thought we rather underplayed the pyramids uh period of time as the tallest building in the world to which i said to him well i think the pyramids do get due credit for that whereas

53:08Ali Bruce-Ball:lincoln cathedral don't doesn't necessarily okay i've just gone ai here very quickly as of late 2025 the sagrada familia in barcelona features the tallest church spire in europe with its central tower of jesus christ reaching 162.91 meters it surpassed the historic ulm minster in germany which held the record for the tallest church steeple there we go if that i mean that could

53:30John Murray:be right or could be wrong you know the pyramids the first pyramid you know how long it took them

53:34Ian Dennis:to build the first pyramid probably probably i wouldn't be surprised if it was like 200 years 21 years okay mind you they are still building the sagrada familia and that's been going on for longer than 21 years.

53:50Ali Bruce-Ball:Luke is going to be knowing all of this down in Norway, just waiting to pounce on strangers in that bar.

53:55Ian Dennis:Who happen to walk in from Salisbury, Ulm, or Cairo.

54:03John Murray:We'll keep the unintended pub names and glossary suggestions coming into TCV at bbc.co.uk or as a message or a voice note on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369. That's it for this episode of the Football Daily. And remember, you can find each and every episode of The Commentator's View by scrolling down your football daily feed.

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