The Commentators' View: Pink slices & number zones

11:39Ali Bruce-Ball:So Steve Crossman is going to present the show there. Everton's men's team's first home game against Brighton in the new stadium. 2 o 'clock on Sports Extra on Sunday. Palace against Nottingham Forest, which, you know, given the old Europa League, Europa Conference League, is a really tasty fixture, that one, this weekend. And then Fulham Manchester United, Sunday, 4.30. John again alongside Clinton Morrison. Ian, just going all the way back to the first game, Brentford Villa, so Saturday, 3 o 'clock for you. Villa with the 0-0 in their first Premier League game of the season against Chelsea. And Brentford, obviously, under Keith Andrews.

12:16Ali Bruce-Ball:Interesting appointment made by Brentford after the departure of Thomas Frank. And obviously, they've started with a defeat as well. So that's an important game for them. It is, yeah.

12:24John Murray:And doing my homework, as I have, in their top flight history, in their nine previous seasons, they are undefeated for their first home game of a new campaign in the top flight. And, you know, not just since they got promoted in 2021, but it also goes back to the 1930s and the one season they had in the top flight in the 1940s. but a very, very tough game against Aston Villa. Bearing in mind, Keith's got a difficult job to do in the following the footsteps of Thomas Franks. They've lost the manager. They've lost the captain in Christian Norgard. They've lost Brian Mbumo. They're going to lose Johan Wissers.

13:00John Murray:They've lost a lot of goals. So it is going to be a season of transition for Brentford this season.

13:06Ali Bruce-Ball:John, Arsenal leads in Fulham, Manchester United. So you obviously did Manchester United-Arsenal last weekend. what did you make of those two going into these games?

13:17Ian Dennis:Yeah, definitely positives for Manchester United with the performance as we made very clear last Sunday afternoon but they did lose the match and I think this weekend watching them both again I am very much looking forward to because the narrative ahead of that match was two new centre forwards, Sesko and Jochores you know, what impact would they make? As it turned out, really, they were both very quiet But admittedly, Sesko just a half hour or so on the pitch at the end. So this weekend, A, with Arsenal, are we going to see a better performance from them? And I do get it, absolutely, that they put in a performance that really wasn't that impressive, but they won the match.

13:56Ian Dennis:And I think maybe another week, that midfield that I was looking forward to seeing of Zubimendi and Odegaard and Rice, that didn't particularly click, I didn't think, but they've had another week to work on it. So we'll say how that works tomorrow. and also for Manchester United against Fulham who, you know, I think they're the lowest spenders, aren't they in the Premier League so far in this transfer window but there is that consistency there we know that they do carry a threat and Manchester United, I presume will actually, for the first time from the start of the match have that new front three so just to see how that works together but certainly I felt Cunha was the one who caught the eye most and looked most settled and most, if you like, Manchester United-like out of the three.

14:44John Murray:Can't help but notice there you went Sesko rather than Szeszko.

14:48Ian Dennis:Yeah, I had a big debate with myself about this, and we have mentioned it already this season, haven't we? And Ian, you sent through the new pronunciations, and he pronounces it Benjamin Szeszko.

15:00Ali Bruce-Ball:Benjamin Szeszko. But I felt that if I did that, I was going to be conflicted.

15:09Ian Dennis:And I think to an extent, you do have to anglicize some pronunciations. And I think you have to commentate with what you feel comfortable with. And I think a good example of this is, if you get a chance to listen to Christian Norgard, the new Arsenal signing. Christian Norgard. Christian Norgard. There is no way that an English-speaking commentator is not going to anglicise that.

15:35John Murray:Yeah, in fact, the same video, everyone at Sunderland calls Mayenda Eliza Mayenda, but he is Spanish, so he actually pronounces his Christian name as Eliezer.

15:46Ali Bruce-Ball:Eliezer Mayenda. Eliezer Mayenda.

15:49John Murray:I thought, well, what are we going to do? So I just thought, well, I spoke to Nick Barnes, the commentator for Sunderland at Radio Newcastle, Eliza. and I just thought everybody recognises Eliza Mayenda rather than Eleather. And I think at times you can do it the correct way, but you can come across as too clever. I agree.

16:07Ali Bruce-Ball:Clash of the commentators, famous Elizas? Go on, John. Got to be Doolittle.

16:14Ian Dennis:Well, Eliza, yeah, Eliza Doolittle. Yeah, definitely. Eliza, who does our rota.

16:22Ali Bruce-Ball:Clash of the commentators is on the way. Sunderland shirts, Ian. We were discussing them in the last pod and our worries about having to commentate on Sunderland from a distance. How are the Sunderland shirts? Well, because of your holiday, we recorded last

16:36John Murray:week's episode the week before, didn't we? Yeah, yeah. And then, so, we had a briefing with the Premier League, and I asked the question, when will you put blocks on the back of striped shirts? Will it be this season? If not, why not? And Tony Scholes replied, the second part of your question is irrelevant because we've introduced number zones and i've got to say the number block for sunderland's red and white striped shirts was a manna from heaven

17:03Ian Dennis:and not before time so that's the official name of a number zone a number zone so a number zone

17:08John Murray:that is classic premier league isn't it on a striped shirt or a shirt with a fancy design

17:15Ian Dennis:yes the number zone has got to be free so it's basically a panel yes yeah but it's called a

17:21John Murray:number zone although i've got to say so i i tongue-in-cheek put this on social media and everyone said oh it's going to ruin the shirts whatever but the premier league clubs now these these days as newcastle did in the champions league last year it doesn't have to necessarily affect the replica shirt that the supporters is going to are going to buy you can just produce a match shirt with a block on the back because i've actually been sent a picture of a newcastle shirt and it doesn't have the stripes it just has a if you don't have the number or a name on the on it does look strange just to have this white void on the back the black and white shirt so i get where the supporters are coming from in that sense but the club surely can just say i tell you what we're gonna have a match day shirt and a replica shirt and if you want the stripes you can have the stripes the kit manufacturers can produce two versions can't they they'll have enough money

18:11Ian Dennis:for that but well done to the premier league for uh finally coming into step with you if we're on that. That is great news.

18:18Ali Bruce-Ball:Fulham on Sunday, John, it's been brought to my attention this week. You can now buy an espresso martini at Craven Cottage. So we were talking about the posh pies at Sunderland. Espresso martini, they also do a Jimenez handshake margarita in tribute to their centre forward, Raul Jimenez. So, it's almost beholden on you, I think, on Sunday, possibly pre-match, to get a Jimenez handshake margarita down you. Pre-match?

18:44Ian Dennis:I presume they'll do the non-alcoholic as opposed to... The mocktail. Yeah, the mocktail. I'm not sure they'll sell... Will they sell them on our side of the ground or will they just be on sale in the new stand next to the river? Yes. Poolside even, possibly.

19:03John Murray:Can you find out how much they cost as well? Okay, I'll do that. Because I imagine that they won't be cheap.

19:07Ian Dennis:I'll do that. I will find that out. What do we think? How much do we think a Jimenez handshake margarita would cost at Craven Cottage? I'm going to say that...

19:21Ali Bruce-Ball:£15? Not as much as that. No, I'm going to go£12.50. I'm going to say£9.50.

19:29Ian Dennis:I'm saying that. It's probably more than that, isn't it? £9.50. Actually, I'm going to say£9.50. £9.50. Okay, excellent. Okay, I will report back next week. Good.

19:40John Murray:Photographic evidence required.

19:42Ian Dennis:Photographic evidence required. So, yes. And let's just say as well, again, you know, the number of commentaries that we're doing this season, you know, that is that is for new listeners to this. You know, we're quite moderate on here, aren't we? But we do our best work when we're commenting, or at least we try to do our best work when we're commentating. And, you know, there is there is nothing like with the football season stretching ahead of us. most of it that uh you know that that is a real companion radio sports commentary radio football commentary throughout the dark nights of the winter that are coming yeah but but also john

20:17Ali Bruce-Ball:as i mentioned earlier on that the choice of listening even more choice of listening now available obviously we've got those other sports extra streams that are there on the bbc sounds app in sports extra two and sports extra three but i was just thinking you know if you want you know ian on a saturday afternoon will be at his at his game and you're going to get everything you need, all the other scores and everything else coming in as per usual, but if you want commentary of a specific game, a different game at 3 o 'clock on Saturday, you know you've got that this weekend as well, so that's a fantastic offer.

20:46Ian Dennis:That's new for this season, that we're offering a choice of commentaries on a Saturday afternoon and actually that match, Burnley-Sundland, is a very, very good match, the one that's on Sports Extra. However, listeners might be saying, Ali, after running through all of those commentary matches and who's doing them, now Ali's back from holiday, what's he doing? Where is he? Well,

21:07Ali Bruce-Ball:it's a good question, John. So Saturday is another day off that I had booked in the diary ages and ages and ages ago. So Lucy and I, my wife and I, are going to go and watch Coldplay at Wembley on Saturday. I made myself available for selection on Sunday, but I've not been picked. And actually, Ross the boss has been quite kind to me there. You're at Fulham, which would have been my kind of local game. Could have done Palace against Nottingham Forest, I guess, but I I think Ross the boss is just keeping me fresh, and I'm being launched into action next week, Tuesday night at Hillsborough in the League Cup.

21:42Ali Bruce-Ball:That's going to be my first commentary of the season, Sheffield Wednesday against Leeds, which is a cracking way, actually, I think, to start the season. I'm looking forward to that game.

21:50Ian Dennis:But you're not putting out a message on social media. I was a bit worried about that. You might be angling for a move.

21:57Ali Bruce-Ball:I've knocked on the manager's door.

21:59Ian Dennis:Have you deleted the BBC from all of your social media?

22:02Ali Bruce-Ball:Yes. I must mention this. Monday nights, we'll have updates on this game in the Monday nightclub on Five Live and BBC Sounds, but it's Newcastle against Liverpool, which is always, you know, a cracking Premier League fixture. It's given us some of the best Premier League football down the years, always very keenly contested. But this time, chaps, given what's going on with Alexander Isak, even more so. And I don't know if there's anything particularly new we can add to the Isak discussion as we sit here this morning. But what do you make of that, looking in from the outside, what's going on there?

22:39Ian Dennis:I enjoyed reading Oliver Brown, the sports writer, who said that Isak and Wissa have come across as almost like two teenagers facing their first breakup. You know, the sort of reaction that there's been from the two of them. And, you know, who knows where it's going to go and who's going to get what they want and who isn't going to get what they want. I think what is something to look forward to in inverted commas is if they don't get the moves, how they do then reintegrate themselves back into the setup because they will have to do that. If the moves don't happen, which it does look as though they will, but if they don't, then how they go about that.

23:20Ian Dennis:I mean, we could see some backsliding of monumental proportions, couldn't we?

23:24John Murray:Izak has behaved like a spoiled child and I think he wants his cake and he wants to eat it. and I think he's shown a great level of disrespect to Newcastle United and in particular the supporters who've idolised him. He's tarnished his reputation. I can't understand, if he wants the move as badly as it would appear, why is he not handed in a transfer request? And we know the reasons why, because of the financial ramifications that he would forsake if that was to happen. But I just think that he's been badly advised and I wouldn't at all be surprised if after that game he goes for somewhere in the region of£130 million that the deal is done and then the players off his hands.

24:07John Murray:I can't see a way for him to stay. I think it would be irretrievable now. The situation with after his statement and what Newcastle have said, if it doesn't happen, but I think it will, but if it doesn't happen, then good luck with trying to reintegrate him back into the squad.

24:23Ian Dennis:You're also looking at now, other clubs being severely disrupted if this does happen late and Jürgen Strand-Larsen has been mentioned as a possible target for Newcastle United and on my viewing of Wolves last weekend he is so important to them Wolves also Vito Pereira was saying that he wants I think he said three or four more signings, lose Jürgen Strand-Larsen and Wolves are really in a position there where they've got to act very very quickly So, you know, there is the knock-on effect there as well.

24:56John Murray:The thing is with that is that Newcastle, I think, showed interest in Strand-Larsen earlier in the summer, didn't necessarily pursue it, and then certainly of a week ago were still back very much interested in Strand-Larsen. But Wolves are aware of that as well. So I think there'll be a lot going on behind the scenes. So Wolves will be aware that they could potentially lose Strand-Larsen, so they too would have a potential replacement. It's like the old domino effect.

25:53John Murray:Oh, yeah.

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27:06Ali Bruce-Ball:The commentator's view on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray, and Ian Dennis. Right, the subject of Alexander Isak takes us on perfectly to this week's clash of the commentators. This is John against Ian this week. Last week, I managed to edge past John on Sunderland managers. So one from one for me. Ian yet to play, so unable to score. And John unable to sort of reverse the dreadful run he had at the end of last season. And Nought from one says here in brackets, 11 defeats in a row. Who would like to go first in Clash of the Commentators today?

27:51Ian Dennis:I don't want to go at all. Well, I'm afraid you've got to. Should I go first? You want to go first? Go on then.

27:59Ali Bruce-Ball:Okay. Okay. Ian is going to unplug. When I read the first part of this question today, John, I thought this is the hardest one we've ever had.

28:08Ian Dennis:Hardest one we've ever had?

28:10Ali Bruce-Ball:Well, it would have been. but there's a bit of leeway here luckily for you both because this would have been a nightmare here we go all the talk this week has been around Alexander Isak he wears number 14 for Newcastle United I want you to name any player to have worn the number 14 for Newcastle United but to help you out we'll let you have any Newcastle number 9s

28:33Ian Dennis:as well

28:34Ali Bruce-Ball:I mean without the number 9s

28:37Ian Dennis:I'm strictly thinking of the number 14

28:39Ali Bruce-Ball:exactly I'd be scrabbling around desperately. Any player to have worn 14 or 9 for Newcastle. By the way, this is not just Premier League, which will delight you. This is all the way back. Your time starts now.

28:57Ian Dennis:Alan Shearer. Andy Carroll. Malcolm McDonald. Alan Fogginwe, number 9, quite possibly.

29:14Ian Dennis:did Callum Wilson wear number 9 at any stage I'm going to say him just in case

29:24I think that's a good effort

29:28Ali Bruce-Ball:John I think that's competitive there's a couple there you'll kick yourself but you've got a couple of crackers there he's going to beat me that do you think yeah

29:37Ian Dennis:he commentated on Newcastle local radio.

29:40Ali Bruce-Ball:That's true. That's waving back in. OK. Hello. Hello, Ian. You're back with us. Here we go. Without further ado, I just said to John, when I read the first part of this question this week, I thought this is the hardest one we've ever had. But luckily, the restrictions were relaxed a little. Have a listen to this, see what you think. All the talk this week around Alexander Isak. He wears the number 14 shirt for Newcastle United. So I want you to name any player to have worn the number 14 for Newcastle United. But to make it easier, we're going to let you have any Newcastle number nines as well, with Isak obviously being the centre forward.

30:18Ali Bruce-Ball:So it's anyone to have won 14 or 9 for Newcastle, and it's not just Premier League. It is all time, and your time starts now.

30:28John Murray:Well, Alan Shearer, Jackie Milburn, Malcolm McDonald, Stefan Givar, Andreas Anderson Tino Espria Les Ferdinand David Ginola or Ginola Andreas Anderson have I said him

30:52John Murray:Imre Baradi

30:57Mickey Quinn

30:58Ali Bruce-Ball:oh no too late unfortunately watching that link. I don't think we can have Mickey Quinn at the end there. That was after the goon of the music.

31:08Ian Dennis:Andreas Anderson.

31:09John Murray:Well, Andreas Anderson, I don't know. Kenny Alvarez signed him.

31:15Ali Bruce-Ball:But listen,

31:18Ali Bruce-Ball:this is a classic example of the way we all approach the game is John is so deliberate. So doesn't scattergun it like you and I do. He doesn't just chuck names out, throw it at a wall and hope some stick because we don't get punished for wrong ones.

31:32Ian Dennis:It's not been terribly successful, that approach. No, it hasn't.

31:35Ali Bruce-Ball:You very deliberately go for people you are certain wore the number nine shirt. So what I can tell you is we're still counting Ian's answers up at the moment. Ian's got more than me.

31:42Ian Dennis:I don't think she's... Did you know where nine?

31:45Ali Bruce-Ball:I was hoping it was a 14. Yeah. So what I'll tell you first of all, Ian, is that you've got five to beat. So John named five, and they were all correct. Alan Shearer, Andy Carroll, Malcolm McDonald, Alan Foggin. I love that one. That's so good. And Callum Wilson. They all wore... Callum Wilson did wear

32:04Ian Dennis:the number nine.

32:05Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, they all wore the number nine. So Ian's got five to beat. I must have three to start with

32:09John Murray:with my opening salvo.

32:10Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, so is a live count going on at the moment? I'm watching this in a Google Doc. I mean, this is thrilling stuff to commentate on. But I can see that Alan Shearer, Jackie Milburn and Malcolm McDonald are all in bold. So that means correct answer. Our Zoom meeting has just ended to add to the drama. So I now can't see either of you. Andreas Anderson wore the number 40. 4-0, 40. And Stefan Givar won out there, Ian. He wore number 8. So we're now looking at Esprit, Ferdinand, Ginola and Imre Verradi. Here we go. Esprit wore 11. Incorrect. You're still on 3. So if your last three names are correct, you win.

32:55Ali Bruce-Ball:And we're looking at Ferdinand, Ginola and Verradi. Ferdinand goes in bold. That is your fourth correct answer. What about Ginola? And what about Varadi?

33:06Ian Dennis:I think Imre Varadi will be.

33:08Ali Bruce-Ball:Ginola is correct. If Imre Varadi is correct, then Ian nicks an absolute thriller. 6-5. How's John snatched a draw? Varadi being typed out. And the next word is correct. He's done him. He's done him with Imre Varadi. Well, that's very disappointing.

33:29Ian Dennis:but him at Varaday that was a very good shout as a winning so I can't complain about that

33:38John Murray:I've got to say that probably goes down as one of the most dramatic clash of the commentators we've had for a while

33:44Ali Bruce-Ball:I'm surprised John you didn't say Les Ferdinand Jackie Milburn let me just rattle through a few very quickly so the 14's these are very difficult Isaac Hayden Gabriel Obertan God, if you'd said that, I'd have given you the money myself. Jack Kolbach, Loic Remy. Loic. Loic. James Perch, Patrick Van Arnholdt, Charles and Zogbier, Michael Bridges, Timuri Kitzbier, Brian Kilkline is on that list. Fourteen. Fourteen. Yeah, and Ginola was fourteen. That's where he...

34:20Ian Dennis:Oh, that was so lucky, that, by the way, that one.

34:22Ali Bruce-Ball:Ginola. Ginola. And Isak, of course. I don't think either of you said Isak, did you? Did we not? No. Oh, that's careless. I mean, that is a schoolboy error. See, that's what you always do. You're very good at that, Ali. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that comes from playing Chris Sutton, who's the most cynical, ruthless player of these games that I know. Keegan and Waddell, guys. Both wore number nine. He wore number nine, Chris. Yeah. Obafemi Martins, Ami Obi, Andy Cole. I'd have had Keegan more as a seven.

34:50Ian Dennis:Yeah. Well, you know, bearing in mind, there weren't squad numbers then.

34:53Ali Bruce-Ball:No. Oh, Joel Linton, number nine. Cisse? Papi Cisse? Mirandinha.

35:00Ian Dennis:Mirandinha.

35:01Ali Bruce-Ball:Mirandinha. Anyway, let's get on with the pod. That was a cracking game. And Ian, one from one. Yeah. 100 % Dennis. Congratulations. Congratulations. A couple of exciting developments to mention before we get on to the great glossary of football commentary. Are we going on tour again? I beg your pardon.

35:22Ian Dennis:Are we going on tour?

35:23Ali Bruce-Ball:I think you're probably aware of these chaps. BBC Sport is now bringing the Bundesliga to UK audiences free to air starting this weekend with champions Bayern Munich taking on RB Leipzig. It is one match a week from the highest level of German football and you can watch them live on the BBC Sport website, the app and on the iPlayer every Friday with clips across social media. So that is great. So Harry Kane in action this weekend on the BBC. And German football journalist Mark Lovell has written to us on TCV at BBC.co.uk. Greetings from Bavaria. Now that the BIEB are doing the Bundesliga, I hope to see you all at the Bayern Buffet for cold wraps in the near future.

36:10Ian Dennis:Well, we do get to Bayern Munich generally at least once a season. and Ian having already now had some influence in terms of changing the whole existence of shirt numbers in the Premier League, let's see if we can extend our influence to Bayern because when they bring out the food at Bayern Munich, which is magnificent, they are one of the great football club hosts in whatever capacity you go there, but certainly if you go there in the media, The one thing is they tend to bring out the food rather late. So they tend to bring out the food about five minutes before we actually go on air. So if there's one thing I would like to say to Bayern Munich, that is, can you bring the food out half an hour earlier?

36:59Ali Bruce-Ball:OK, that is John's message to Bayern Munich. The other thing to tell you is we've had in the Premier League on the opening weekend of the season, our very first one of these. Let's listen to the sports extra commentary here with Mark Schwartzer and Connor McNamara.

37:16Ian Dennis:Martin Dubravka does well to come and catch. He does really well. I love that from a goalkeeper coming out in his six-yard box. Out to the edge of it. There's a lot, a lot of pressure from Richarlison there. But Dubravka didn't take his eye off the ball and claims it very comfortably in the end.

37:29Ali Bruce-Ball:Now, new rule this season. Eight seconds. Goalkeepers must release the ball. Martin Dubravka has not done so.

37:35Ian Dennis:So that is a corner to Tottenham Hotspur. Dubravka who claimed the corner now if keepers fall onto the ground of their own volition the clock starts as soon as they've gathered the ball and he didn't release it after eight seconds so the referee Michael Oliver points to the corner flag and I think it's just another reminder for the goalkeepers they have to be aware they know that the rule has changed he's obviously forgotten Dubravka he's obviously so focused on the game the referee was right on it very quick to blow his whistle and give Tottenham a corner in this match and I think it's the right sort of penalty to give If you're going to give a penalty aside, give them a corner.

38:11Ian Dennis:At least it's not like an indirect free kick as it used to be, which was a little bit harsh in my opinion.

38:16Ali Bruce-Ball:I think I'm right in saying, John, you said last week, if that happened more than three times this season, you'd eat your hat.

38:22Ian Dennis:Did I say three times? Was it three? I can't remember. I still think it'll be a handful, if that. And I think that very much put a marker down, didn't it? And I don't know about you, I saw it in Match of the Day last Saturday night, and I thought, oh, that seemed quick.

38:41Ian Dennis:So basically the message has gone out there, hasn't it? But for it to happen early on on the first Saturday of the Premier League did surprise me.

38:51Ali Bruce-Ball:Just as we go into the glossary, the other thing I was thinking while I was away on holiday over the weekend and listening to you chaps and Manchester City playing incredibly well in their first game of the season and really trying to prove a point, I was thinking, you know, there's various different terms we regularly use to describe that sort of performance. It's a statement of intent, and it's laying down a marker. And I was trying to think of different ways you can say that without actually saying that. But those are the ones that you always go for, don't you?

39:20Ian Dennis:Yes, absolutely. But it has done both of those things.

39:23Ali Bruce-Ball:It has. It has. Right, let's get on to the glossary, because these chaps have got to hit the road to London. This is where we add listener suggestions of football-specific commentary terms and phrases to our collection, although saying that last time out, we rejected all four ideas that were put forward. They were the goalkeeper's gone walkabout, they've left everything out there, or they've left nothing out there, out in left field, and stepping up to the plate. So none of those made the glossary.

39:52Ian Dennis:I heard Sakia Starmer this week use step up to the plate, which did tickle me. Bringing countries together and showing that we were prepared to step up to the plate when it came to security.

40:05Ali Bruce-Ball:So your suggestions always welcome. The WhatsApp voice notes come to 08000 289 369 and the emails to TCV at BBC.co.uk. So it is thank you to Craig in Glasgow, Matt from Swindon and Adam from London, who all alerted us to this from Hibernian's Kieran Bowie after he scored against Partizan in Europa Conference League qualifying. Kieran, we'll get to the game in a second but can you even begin to talk us through that goal?

40:36John Murray:Honestly it was just like split second, I think Jack got an assist for it, I don't know how. I've just sort of shielded it past two of them and then I've just sat up nicely and I've just hit it and it's just right in the top corner, took the cobwebs right off the top corner. I genuinely have never scored a goal in my life so I think that'll be the first time and last time I've done anything like that.

40:54Ian Dennis:The cobwebs return, well done Kieran. that's brilliant do you think he's a listener?

41:02Ali Bruce-Ball:I hope so

41:02Ian Dennis:Craig in Glasgow added

41:06Ali Bruce-Ball:do owls ever sleep underneath spiders webs so where the owl sleeps is in our glossary but this is from Simon in Nottingham who says hi TVC team as an avid field hockey fan I was watching a European what did I just say? TVC hi TCV team as an avid field hockey fan I was watching a European championship game this week between England and France on the television. One of the French players scored a top, top, top goal right up underneath the crossbar. And this prompted one of the commentators from New Zealand to come out with a fabulous line, which I thought you'd appreciate. That's up where they don't do the dusting.

41:45Ali Bruce-Ball:But then to my absolute delight, his English co-presenter counted with, where the owl keeps its spare keys. Now, of course, because these were broadcast during a field hockey game, they're automatically disqualified from the great glossary. Still, it made me laugh out loud. So glad the podcast is back and looking forward to your wonderful commentaries this season. But I think we were arguing last week, weren't we, that if it's originated in football and someone's borrowed it, I think it is allowed in the glossary.

42:12Ian Dennis:Yeah, I do too. Yeah. I do like that's where they don't do the dusting. That's like taking on to the next step, isn't it?

42:18Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. No, I do like that. Up where they don't do the dusting, I think is very good. although there won't be many places in John's house

42:26John Murray:where that would apply would it because he's so tall he'd be able to reach anywhere that's a very good point

42:31Ali Bruce-Ball:do you chaps want to tackle any of the next ones

42:34Ian Dennis:well let's go for this one from Ross in sunny Norfolk who's obviously been listening to our colleague Paul Robinson because he says good afternoon Foggy Clegg and Compo which actually now is one for older listeners isn't it but anyway ross says i'll leave it open to debate as to who is most like who would be interesting to hear my hair chapman's thoughts now as much as i love the summer weekends are so much better when the football season is back the other weekend i took the family down to london to watch west ham versus leal in the irons final pre-season game ahead of hopefully an improved season.

43:19Ian Dennis:My two girls, Evie and Lexi, aged 10 and 6, loved singing bubbles and shouting irons during and before the game. Proud dad moment. On the Sunday, I spent all afternoon in the garden, mowing the lawn and staining decking in the company of John and I assume his son, Glenn, commentating from Wembley. And I heard a phrase that I don't believe is in the great glossary of footballing terms when Crystal Palace is, at the time of writing, wonderfully talented player, Abere Eza, went down under a challenge. He's taken his boots off. That's exactly what I spotted John. He's actually taken his boots off.

43:57Ian Dennis:Or one boot. He's taken his right boot off and he did actually adjust his left boot as well. So, it must be laceless because he's just lifted back and he's ready to take a free kick. Maybe, maybe he's just checking to see if he's got his shooting boots on. I think it could be just a little bit too far, this one, John. 30 yards. And Ross says, John made reference to Ezra's possibly putting his shooting boots on. Now, I don't think this term is used in any other sport. I haven't heard it in either of the rugby codes or American football. Hopefully, this is a shoe in or shooting boot in for the glossary.

44:32Ian Dennis:Keep up the good work on both the podcast and match days. Looking forward to the commentaries over the next 10 months or so. And John causing a Leicester-style 5 ,000 to 1 shock by winning this year's Clash of the Commentators. so well thank you very much for that Ross and yes I'm not sure shooting boots is in the glossary is it? No.

44:53John Murray:Should be those odds since the time of writing have now lengthened yeah that's in there

45:00Ali Bruce-Ball:that's got to be in there I agree that is a great one the other one I really like here Ian and it links back to our discussions about Alexander Isak and Johan Wisser Sam who's a listener he's a Liverpool fan in Newcastle has pointed out this from reporter Nick Mascheter on the BBC Sport website. So I'm quoting now, Newcastle failed to score without want-away striker Alexander Isak as they were held by 10-man Aston Villa. That is a classic of the football genre, says Sam. A want-away player. I like that.

45:36Ian Dennis:There's a big difference there. We'd never, I don't think anyone would ever say that in a broadcasting sense. but in a written football journalism sense that's sort of long-held word, isn't it? Football. That would be in the glossary. That would be in the glossary of football writing.

45:56Ali Bruce-Ball:Yes, I agree that, yes. Commentary no, writing yes. And our last one this week. Now let's see, this may or may not get in. This is from a Liverpool fan, Alex. Paul Robinson here talking about Thomas Frank and his players after Tottenham's defeat to Paris Saint-Germain in the UEFA Super Cup.

46:15John Murray:He's got to get back to the Tottenham Hotspur training ground, show them the video and show them everything that they did well and put the belief back into these players because at the moment they could crawl under a snake's belly with a top hat on. He needs to pick these players up. He needs to get them back to what they did for 75, 80 minutes in this game.

46:32Ali Bruce-Ball:Is that going in the glossary? Lower than a snake's belly.

46:36Ian Dennis:With a top hat on.

46:37Ali Bruce-Ball:With a top hat on.

46:37Ian Dennis:I think probably not, because I think you would use that in other sports, wouldn't you? I think I've heard that regularly. Yeah, yeah. Too generic. There's a bit of cold play in there as well for you, Ali.

46:49Ali Bruce-Ball:Thank you, John. Oh, well, that was well spotted. Yeah. You can't actually get... I mean, strictly, you're not getting under the snakes, probably, with a top hat on, are you? Because the snake is then on top of the... I mean, that's probably taking it a little bit too literally, but... No, I don't think that one is going in. That one is not going in. So, in summary, from the glossary this week, Paul Robinson's crawling under a snake's belly with a top hat on is a no. Where the owl sleeps remains. Up where they don't do the dusting, is that going in the glossary, chaps?

47:19Ian Dennis:I would say probably not.

47:22Ali Bruce-Ball:Why not?

47:24Ian Dennis:I can't see he's ever using that.

47:26Ali Bruce-Ball:Ah, well, there's a challenge. I'm inclined to agree with a big man. Yeah. Okay, okay. not going in unless I stick it in at Hillsborough on Tuesday shooting boots definitely going in and want away is not going in the great glossary of football commentary because we wouldn't say it but you would write it so that's a whole different glossary your suggestions as always the voice notes 08000 289 369 and emails to tcv at bbc.co.uk and I think that's it chaps Ian what are you going to be listening to on the journey down to London? Because I know John won't be listening to this. I might listen to a little bit of Deacon Blue at some stage.

48:07John Murray:FPL podcast from BBC Sport? Well, I need some help. I had a dreadful opening weekend. I need to brush up on my Spanish. I've let my Spanish lessons drift. So I might take in a few more Spanish podcasts.

48:21Ian Dennis:Two things I need to mention before we finish this week. One, that our BBC colleague, much loved, Nick Godwin, reported from Southhurst Park that that big speaker that was hanging from the roof last season, Ian, that got in the way of the view of one of the goals, has actually been removed. So that's good news, isn't it?

48:41John Murray:Yes, that is excellent news.

48:44Ian Dennis:Yeah, so that's one piece of news.

48:46John Murray:It's still not the best view in the Premier League.

48:49Ian Dennis:It's still not the best view in the Premier League, but that will help.

48:51John Murray:But that does help.

48:52Ian Dennis:And one other one, I really want to mention this, is because when I was doing the commentary last week at Old Trafford, it was the FA Cup weekend and I suggested on the air that uh that that listeners who'd been to FA Cup matches in the preliminary round might want to get in touch and I referenced Mousel which I have to say I'd never noticed them playing in the FA Cup before they probably have in fact they will have done most certainly but I'd never noticed it before so I mentioned it and I got a a message on social media from the club secretary daniel katarsky who asked me why of the 272 clubs in the fa cup preliminary round did i mention mausel so i explained to him that uh you know they'd sort of captured my imagination and i've got i've never been to mausel you know i don't know if you've been there ali down down that way you go down there a lot it's on cornwall it's on the coast it's a famous cornish fishing village yeah and i just and i just thought that must be a fantastic place.

49:51Ian Dennis:So I said to him that it was just because it captured my imagination. I might have mentioned several other clubs, but as it turned out, I only had the time for one at the time. And so he extended an invitation to us to go down there. So hopefully one day.

50:08Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, nearer to me than you, Chaps. And that, John, is pronounced Mousel, but it's written Mousehole, isn't it? Correct. That's right. All one word.

50:17John Murray:Yeah. Excellent. That wasn't the other thing you spotted this week. What was it, John? Go on. Bodo Glimt?

50:22Ian Dennis:Oh, yes. Bodo Glimt now, who are on the verge of qualifying for the Champions League. Yeah. They've won the first leg of their playoff tie, 5-0 against Sturm Graz. So with six English clubs in the Champions League this season, there has to be a real and genuine possibility of an opportunity for, let's say those who haven't yet been to Bodo Glimt Tally to actually get there.

50:55Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. No, I saw that too. And actually I saw some of the highlights on the BBC's Champions League show and just took myself right back there because it was only a few months ago that I was there with Paul Robinson. So that is it for this episode of the Football Daily. The next one on the Football Daily feed will be Mark Gaye, the football interview. And as for the commentator's view, you can find each and every episode right from the start of the very first series on your Football Daily Feed.

51:23John Murray:Oh, Imre Berardi. Unbelievable. There's a famous game for me in my memory where Keegan scored four goals against Rotherham.

51:33Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. Yeah.

51:34John Murray:And they won 5-1. Yeah. And Kevin Keegan that day wore number seven for Newcastle.

51:41Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

51:42John Murray:So he wasn't a number nine. I think... No.

51:45Ian Dennis:I think that's the match on Match of the Day when Tony Gubber said, that's the one the Geordie fans wanted.

51:53Ali Bruce-Ball:No bonus points for that, John. I'm being told Keegan wore seven and nine. Obviously not at the same time. No. No. That would be 79. Yeah. He scored goals, lifted trophies and broken records along the way.

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