The Commentators’ View: Shabby shoes & Royal Oak FC

12:36Ali Bruce-Ball:So, a big weekend of cup football on the way. So straight out of the internationals and we're into the FA Cup quarterfinals. A bit later in the pod, we're also going to be joined by Steve Bracknell, who is the assistant manager of the renowned Royal Oak FC ahead of their big cup game on Easter Sunday afternoon. Steve is going to come on and explain all. That game is going to be live on Sports Extra 3 on the BBC Sounds app. So definitely stay tuned for that. But some day of sport for you on the way on Saturday. So in terms of those FA Cup quarterfinals, John, Wallop, you're straight into action.

13:11Ali Bruce-Ball:12-15 on Saturday with Manchester City against Liverpool. And obviously you've still got teams there that can win other prizes. But just given where Arsenal are in the Premier League and how difficult it's going to be to win the Champions League for Liverpool, that's a very, very important game.

13:30Ian Dennis:Yes, it is. Totally agree. So Leon Osman will be with me and we will be providing updates into Five Live Sport. But yeah, I could see that going a long way. I mean, it feels so important for Liverpool. Well, it's an FA Cup quarterfinal. It's obviously important.

13:49Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, but given the context of the season, yeah, no, I totally agree. In terms of our FA Cup commentaries on Saturday, 5.15 Chelsea Port Vale, John Akers and Pat Nevin with that one. And then 8 o 'clock on Saturday is Southampton Arsenal. So Chris Wise and Franny Benali there. And then it's boxing again. Now, that fella, Moses Itauma, that was a great listen on Saturday night with his win against Jermaine Franklin. We've got another big fight for you on Saturday night. It's the long-awaited clash between Derek Chisora and Deontay Wilder from the O2 Arena in London. Then on Sunday, we've got more FA Cup football at half four.

14:28Ali Bruce-Ball:That's West Ham-Leeds. Before that at one o 'clock, Arsenal-Brighton in the WSL. Full commentary on that. The women's boxing at Kensington Olympia. And then you chaps have got to get ready for Champions League football the following week because we're straight into Arsenal away to Sporting and Liverpool away to Paris Saint-Germain.

14:47Ian Dennis:Yeah, and just to go back to the FA Cup match, West Ham against Leeds. so Jonathan Pierce is going to be commentating on that with Clinton Morrison. My advice to Jonathan would be to get your penalty shootout grid arranged for that match. I think that may well end up as a penalty shootout.

15:04John Murray:But you two were just talking about the importance for Liverpool against Manchester City. This next week could be quite a defining period I think for Arna Slott because the Liverpool supporters, a number of them, are not happy with him and therefore if he was to go out of the FA Cup and then suffer a heavy defeat in the Champions League, that could be quite damaging for him. So, you know, we saw what Paris Saint-Germain are capable of against Chelsea. Although they actually knocked out Liverpool last season in this competition, but it went into penalties. It was 1-0 to the away side in each of the two legs.

15:39John Murray:But Liverpool will certainly need to keep that second leg alive for the return at Anfield.

15:44Ian Dennis:But Liverpool should have been well beaten in Paris, but won it with Harvey Elliott's goal. Do you remember Harvey Elliott scored the goal? And Alisson said it was the best night of his professional career. I think it was something like 14 saves that he made in the Park. That was a brilliant match. I hope the match that you go to Ian is as good as that one was. That was a real edge of the seat job.

16:07John Murray:And I know Arsenal have had a number of withdrawals from their international fixtures. It's double figures, hasn't it been? but I don't think they'll go full strength against Southampton in that FA Cup tie. If you look at them, I think they've seen people such as Lewis Skelly's played, hasn't he, this season. So I think we'll see a true reflection of the state of the injury situation, I think possibly more for that match at Sporting rather than Southampton.

16:37Ian Dennis:Ezzer won't play because that's a genuine injury, we know that. Mad Wakey, we saw leave Wembley in a leg brace after the Uruguay match. and Declan Rice and Saka, Thomas Tuchel said he wasn't willing to take a risk on them, but whether they'll be fit for Saturday night. However, Ian, I think at the same time, Mikel Arteta can't play fast and loose with the FA Cup, having just been beaten in the League Cup final.

17:06John Murray:No, but I do think that he might prioritise sporting more than Southampton, but we'll see. They'll have to assess the walking wounded.

17:15Ali Bruce-Ball:So loads of great football coming your way on Five Live and all those sports extra streams on the BBC Sounds app. On the TCV pod, time for another voice note.

17:25Ian Dennis:Hello chaps, Martin here from Nail Z near Bristol. Always look forward to your mutterings each and every Friday. My question relates to the ever-increasing American ownership within the Premier League. If Tottenham were to get relegated, could the other owners look at that situation and think, Given the amount of money they would have been ploughed into their teams, the jeopardy of relegation is a price too high, and that to secure their continued investment, a franchise-like model with no relegation could be foisted on the Premier League. I'm not saying this year or next year, and obviously Tottenham haven't been relegated yet, but the consequence of no European football, lower gate receipts, players wanting to move on, could be a price too high for some owners.

18:11Ian Dennis:I appreciate there'll be great pushback from fans, lower leagues and the government, but where the Premier League is concerned, it appears to me that money talks. Anyway, would appreciate your thoughts on this developing situation. Also, Munchgate was a disgrace. In the vernacular, referee. Martin, making some excellent points there, I felt. I also got some strong backing from UEFA this week at Wembley. Well, you say UEFA.

18:44John Murray:It wasn't Alexander Cheferin who all of a sudden decided to give you a call.

18:47Ian Dennis:It was a leading UEFA figure.

18:50John Murray:Not hardly.

18:52Ian Dennis:That's disrespectful. But going back to the main point. Yes, please, John. I would say that in answer to the main thrust of what Martin was saying, that if that's what they didn't want, then they shouldn't have got involved in British football in the first place. And I think if there is ever a hint or a suggestion of that, I think the outcry, we saw what happened when the Super League was suggested and the reaction to that and how swiftly that was knocked on the head. And I think the figures, the leading figures in that were genuinely taken aback by the groundswell of opinion. probably across Europe, certainly in this country.

19:36Ian Dennis:And as I say many, many times, the absolute fabric of the game in this country is the football pyramid, the historical side to it. What we have here, you know, war betide anyone who tries to interfere with that in that way would be my opinion.

19:55John Murray:I would agree with that. But what I would say is what I could see happening is the 39th game being resurrected. I could see the American owners, if they had their view, what is it? They'd need to be more than 14? 14, yeah. 14 of the Premier League. I could see them then looking to try and take games away from this country and have it maybe played in the States, which again, I think would get an outcry, but that would be my first initial concern if it continues with this current trend.

20:28Ian Dennis:But that's why a football regulator has been appointed. Yes. To stop that sort of carry-on.

20:36Ali Bruce-Ball:Martin, thank you very much indeed for the voice note. I love a woe betide. Not heard that from. Woe betide from John. Oof.

20:44John Murray:Scary. Ali, though, talking of Tottenham, you have revealed that you've got your son as a Spurs supporter. So how has he coped?

20:52Ali Bruce-Ball:I did warn him about this, Ian, many years ago. So he chose Spurs as a young, impressionable, whatever he was in 2018, six-year-old. And I did warn him about the rollercoaster of supporting Spurs. And actually, he's fairly phlegmatic about everything. So, you know, once the Tudor news came in and now the De Zerbi appointment's been confirmed, a shrug, really, a shrug. Let's see what it brings. He doesn't let the results affect his mood too much. So I think he'll be OK.

21:19John Murray:You know what I couldn't work out about Roberto De Zerbi? was this talk, the initial talk, oh, I'll take it in the summer. I was thinking, no, back yourself now. Get the games remaining now. Go in, get the job done, keep Tottenham up, and then you assess the squad with these closing fixtures, and then you can hit the ground running for next season. So in many ways, I'm glad that he's done what he's done, and also he's in for the long haul. There's no clause in there. If they get relegated, he'll then bring them back from the championship. That is a manager who's backing himself. And I was pleased about that because I just thought it was an easy way out to say, oh no, I'll let somebody else take the flack if I can't keep them up.

22:03John Murray:And there was talk of Spurs legends maybe coming in to try and save the day. The fact that he's done it now and there is no clause, he's in it for the long haul. And I was quite pleased about that.

22:16Ian Dennis:In further correspondence, David from Essex has sent us a message on WhatsApp. He says, hello from the land of jam, Tiptree. Love the podcast and following on from the recent insights on being young and trying to view through the throng of obeying home crowd, please picture Suffolk and the unbeaten European fortress that is Portman Road. Every other home game from 1978 onwards, I was treated to an empty milk crate, which was employed to watch the game and then occasionally hopping into the space that housed the empty television camera when it wasn't being covered on match day to watch the entertainment of the quality football on display.

22:59Ian Dennis:Keep up the great podcast work and the invaluable commentary that you supply every week. Can't wait to hear you all from Adelaide, eventually, says David.

23:09Ali Bruce-Ball:Right there with David at Portman Road in the late 70s. David, health and safety would be all over that. the empty television camera spot, there's no chance you'd ever be able to hop up onto that to get a better view of the game nowadays.

23:22Ian Dennis:Do you think on that board that they have where it has various things with a cross through them, they'd have milk crate cross?

23:31Ali Bruce-Ball:Exactly, yeah. Bringing it back to the FA Cup this weekend, Andy in Southampton has sent us this. I still have my vinyl LP of that 1976 FA Cup final featuring Peter Jones and Alan Powey describing the action as Saints beat Man United. I went to my first game the following season with a fold-up wooden step made by my dad to watch Saints from the chocolate boxes, which were three open-top terraces standing over fans on the Milton Road Terrace below. What unusual stands or terraces have you come across? Thanks for the podcast. It's the 50th anniversary, isn't it, of Southampton's FA Cup winning in 1976.

24:13Ali Bruce-Ball:They've been making quite a big play this year. And they're obviously still in the competition because they've got the game against Arsenal.

24:19Ian Dennis:I always remember at the Dell, do you remember it looked as though the corner of the stand had been cut off at one side? It was the most bizarre-looking stand. And the chocolate boxes. In fact, Andy has sent us some photographs, and that's really brought it back, those little stands. Do you remember them, Ian?

24:36John Murray:Yeah. I didn't go to the Dell on too many occasions. I probably only went to the Dell no more than, I think, three times. very tightly packed ground wasn't it

24:44Ali Bruce-Ball:really cosy yeah my name's Steve Bracknell assistant manager at Royal Oak FC nah one bit of news administration news it's Jono here from BBC Sounds I can't confirm Royal Oak vs Nags Head will be streamed live Royal Oak vs Nags Head live on BBC stream to Games Gone podcast YouTube channel. I told you to trust the process, didn't I? April 5th, Easter Sunday, kick-off at 2pm. This is your moment. Tune in to the biggest game in Sunday League yesterday. Game's got the Steve Bracknell podcast. Listen on BBC Sounds. The commentator's view on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray and Ian Dennis.

25:38Ali Bruce-Ball:Cup football this weekend. for a more light-hearted take on it. Think Roy Race and Melchester Rovers, or for our younger listeners, the non-league Ted Lasso. So you know where I'm going with this? This Easter Sunday afternoon on Sports Extra 3, we are bringing you live commentary of Steve Bracknell's Royal Oak against their arch nemesis, the Nag's Head, in the highly anticipated Sheffield Imperial Cup quarterfinal. We'll bring in Steve in just a moment, but first we are going to speak to the lead commentator on the commentator's view so who else would we get Adam Oxley is going to be doing this game Adam welcome to the podcast how on earth are you going about preparing for this one it's an excellent question it is a game like no other I'm very grateful to have been doing games for Radio Sheffield and for the BBC for 20 years and I can honestly say that this is a new experience.

26:39Thankfully as somebody who has interviewed Steve a few times on our Football Heaven show over the last few years and who watches the Games Gone podcast on BBC Sounds tick, it's been good to keep across the developing story as it's gone on but it's fair to say that there's a bit of licence and the usual websites that we all use to prepare for a match day don't particularly help for this one.

27:05John Murray:But Adam, we're going to bring Stephen in a minute, but will he give you the heads up for the team? I hope so. Some managers like that, like Gold does, when they give you the team ahead of the game.

27:16Ian Dennis:Yeah, well, surely he'll be quite guarded about that sort of thing. Well, some clubs are very helpful, as you'll know. Some aren't. You know, if Steve was to help in any way, that'd be very helpful as a commentator, as you know. but if not I'm sure we can look back at the years of form that we've got to work on for this game and pluck the team and pick it quite handily.

27:40Ali Bruce-Ball:Just before we get him on Adam, what's he like to interview? He's an intense character I think it's fair to say. He is a very principled man. He cares deeply about his football club. He's rooted in grassroots football and the non-league scene around Sheffield. And a very complex character as well. There's a lot more going on than I think he likes to let on. Excellent. Let's get him on the podcast then. Assistant manager of Royal Oak FC, Steve Bracknell. Steve, welcome to the pod. How are preparations going for the big game? Can you hear me? Loud and clear. Firstly, it's not often I'm in awe of my company, but listening to Ian, John and Alistair's voice has given me goosebumps, shivers.

28:37You lot, you are the DNA and the backbone of football in this country and you've documented my footballing journey and my life and my interaction with game for many a year. Wow, this is unbelievable. One more question, pal.

28:54Ali Bruce-Ball:how the lads feeling ahead of the big day what a terrible question this is about managing emotions now Alistair the preparations done we can talk tactics we can do them we can do them to listen I've got a little space in my garage where I do my tactics but in many ways and what I've said to lads is that's irrelevant now this is an emotional roller coaster you're about to go on strapping buckle in and let's go on this ride because you know there's ups there's downs there's nerves like any local derby but this just feels like the biggest game we've ever been involved with so i'm going to be and i've told him my amazon rings on 24 7 if they're struggling they want to talk they ring me i nicky'll get kettle on we'll talk this is about a psychological battle

29:34John Murray:now steve when i asked adam that question about you know will you give him the team there was a wag of if we can see you on like the on the zoom call and there was you were wagging your index finger so do you not trust him it's not i don't trust him i've known adam quite a while from his is South Yorkshire reporting, but Brian Marshall, the manager of the Nags Head, will try every dirty trick in the book. This is a man, by the way, who previously, and this is unfounded, I don't want a lawsuit on my hands, has previously given brown envelopes to Imperial League. He's been known to hand-pick referees.

30:08And there's sub-headlines and sub-plots to this. Quite recently, stole my best player, my number 10, Matt Wynn, and engineered a move. And I think he's paying him, which is illegal in Sunday League. You know what it's like. For Alex Ferguson, I remember listening to an interview with Clive Tilsley and Ferguson again Tilsley, a right dressing down in Lyft once. He said, you've leaked my team, and that'll be the same with me and Oxley. So, no, loose lips sink ships.

30:37Ian Dennis:I think we should point out, Ali, shouldn't we, that Brian's not here to defend himself? Yeah, exactly.

30:44Ali Bruce-Ball:Exactly. Adam, what's...

30:45Ian Dennis:We're duty-bound to point that out.

30:48Ali Bruce-Ball:We are. We are. You're quite right, John. Sorry. Standard slip in there. What's the atmosphere going to be like, Adam? Because it has really captured the imagination, hasn't it, this game? Oh, hugely. Hugely. I mean, thousands of people wanted to attend. I think it's quite easy to say that this game could have been played at a kind of local professional stadium and filled out. Amazingly, it's been played at the world's oldest football club, Sheffield FC. there's going to be near on 2 ,500 people in attendance just to kind of put some context on that Sheffield FC themselves who've recently been taken over by John McCloth the lead singer of Reverend in the Makers who look surprisingly like Paul Sampson but totally unrelated who's the manager of Royal Oak they had 1 ,200 fans for a home league record attendance for the world's oldest football club last weekend and this is going to be double that so the fever is there There's a call out for inflatable snakes and other things relating to Winnie's shock departure from the Oak to Nag's head.

31:53So I think Steve's said it's going to be a cauldron. He wants it at the weekend. So yeah, I'm expecting it to be lively, put it that way.

32:01Ian Dennis:Steve, can I ask you, how are you coping with the extra media attention? I know there's a target on my back. I've been in game 20. I formed this club in 1997. We used to document as games, film it. Our Olivia, my daughter, she's right savvy with TikToks and all internets and that. And she started filming it. We went viral in November 24. And now there's a target on us back. Teams, it's like if Spurs go down, they're not going to get an easy ride in the championship because Lincoln, that's their cup final. And it's the same with Royal Oak. They come to us now wanting to scalp us. Well, we've got to be on his guard.

32:38Ali Bruce-Ball:Here's what we get. Can this, I presume, in no replay. So I'm presuming if it's level at the end of 90 and extra time, it's penalties. We don't even get extra time. It's straight to pens. Oh, straight to pens. Straight to pens. Where are you on Penenka's fancy pens? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I'll take you back to AFCON final. The biggest moment. The kid is waiting to take the penalty and he tries the Penenka. It is arrogant. It's naive. Eve. Penalties have been overcomplicated. You decide where you're going, you walk up, you don't change your mind, you put your foot through it and you make sure you hit back at net.

33:19Job done. Not now they've got to write on water bottles. They've got to do a bit of psychological refug. They're getting Eileen Drury back in.

33:26Ali Bruce-Ball:It's a disgrace. Adam, you've got the penalty grid drawn up already. Do you think it could be as tight as that? Who knows? I mean, there's a few divisions between Nags Head and Royal Oak. So Royal Oak go into this as real, underdogs in a lot of ways. So you'd hope that big home support and the crowd can really swing things in their favour. The winny factor as well of him playing against his former club. Look, if it does go down to penalties, that'd be extraordinary. Wouldn't it? The world's oldest football club penalties there to see who makes the semi-final of the Imperial Cup. That'd be an extraordinary way to finish.

34:02If Royal Oak can get it to pens, that'd be a real win. Adam, the cup Cup competitions in this country favour the underdog. I'm taking you back to Erriford in the 70s. I'm talking about Roy Essendore at Filbert Street when they signed him on Teletext Bay. Anyone who was doubting Royal Oak should think very carefully about, because I'm telling you now, the cup competitions in this country have a funny way of biting you on the bum.

34:28Ali Bruce-Ball:Fabulous sell for the game here on The Commentator's View. So this is a two o 'clock kick-off on Easter Sunday. It's a sell-out, so you can't go, but that's where you go to the BBC Sounds app. Sports Extra 3, full commentary, Adam at the helm. You can also watch the game live on Steve's YouTube channel, Games Gone, the Steve Bracken podcast. Before we let you fellas go, must talk to you about the unintended pub names because we've got the Royal Oak against the Nags head. I don't know if you're aware of our feature on this podcast, which Paul Robinson, the former England goalkeeper, started, where commentators accidentally drop what people recognise as pub names into commentaries.

35:06Ali Bruce-Ball:So if you'd like to stick around for this, right, always love the suggestions on these. In our last pod, we had the last throw of the dice and the goalkeeper's dive. Gary from Wilmslow has got in touch and he's got one from his holidays. Greetings from sunny California.

35:23Ian Dennis:Whilst listening to Jonathan Pearce and Paul Robinson's excellent coverage of the recent Tottenham Hotspur versus Nottingham Forest game, I heard a potential contender for your ever-growing list of unintended pub names.

35:38The Hardworking Williams, a pub which would surely

35:44Ian Dennis:have to be frequented by those engaged in manual labour. Possibly given the name Williams, it would be located in the Welsh Valleys, serving a range of what Google assures me is pronounced Kuru from

35:56John Murray:breweries such as Brains, the pub would surely begin to fill in the late afternoon as muddy-booted workers gather to relax after a day of toil. Love the pod, and

36:06Ian Dennis:have to say, justice for John.

36:09Ali Bruce-Ball:Oh, again. More support. The hard-working Williams, do you think you'd pop in there for a pint? I think that would have been... I sound like I need to go to university to understand what he's on about, to be honest, but he sounds like my sort of boozer. Real people talking real stuff. This is my problem with Nags Head. You're not a pub if you sell seafood platters. We don't do food. We don't do food. We don't want health and hygiene around us. Nag Zed is not a pub. Rhys from East London. Another one here. Hi, guys. Long-time listener of the Commentators View and constantly encouraging my friends and colleagues to listen.

36:44Ali Bruce-Ball:It's like a lovely cup of tea and a warm blanket for your ears. Listening to the Five Live coverage of the England-Uruguay match, I felt compelled to message in when I heard John say this. Spence pushing forward. right footed cross into the box

36:57Ian Dennis:Muslera comes gets a punch on it clears the penalty area punched it down into the ground the red England shirts all over the sky blue of Uruguay in the early stages.

37:06Ali Bruce-Ball:All over the sky blue or perhaps just the sky blue would be a modern pub in a lovely newly developed part of a town or city. There's affordable food and drinks and Steve's not going to be happy with that while you admire the freshly painted pastel blue and cream coloured walls. Some sports memorabilia would be dotted about while the soft summer light swims through the windows in the sky blue. Adam, do people get in touch with you about your commentaries in terms of stuff you've said, things people pick up, stuff that's made them laugh? There's always little bits that come in between all of us.

37:43I'm probably going to throw my colleague Andy Giddings under the bus here a little bit because he once mentioned a squadron of pigeons had landed on the pitch. And it's fair to say that a few of us heard that. And his co-commentator at the time turned around and questioned it then. It's one of my favourite ones that I'd never heard of a squadron of pigeons. And it was just a joyous moment. It's just something that I hear now. We've got it clipped and saved that whenever we play it, I just smile. Just a wonderful turn of phrase.

38:16John Murray:If you haven't christened him clunk by now, then you've missed a trick. That's one for the younger audience.

38:25Ali Bruce-Ball:Last one on unintended pub names. This comes from Ian in Exmouth, Devon.

38:29Ian Dennis:When driving through Newton Poppleford, I regularly pass the Cannon Inn. I've never been in, but imagine it to be a pub split into a lounge in a bar. The lounge is full of bonhomie with the fans of teams who have benefited from a ball

38:42Ali Bruce-Ball:cannoning in off a defender into the bottom left corner in the dying minutes of a game. The bar is a more morose affair

38:49Ian Dennis:with those who've had the reverse luck from a canoning in. There is an old regular muttering away in the corner, supping pint after pint of dark ale. The rumours are that he is the defender whose shin pad guided the ball into his own net in extra time of a cup final in the 70s.

39:06Ali Bruce-Ball:Thanks, guys. Love the pod. Very good. The cannon in. I do like that, Ali.

39:12Ian Dennis:I'm encouraging people. I love that. You see an actual pub name and you suggest it as a name that you could apply to something else. And I bet you, I bet you, very soon one of us uses the phrase cannons in in a commentary.

39:27John Murray:But also there's a pub in Seton Carew near Hartlepool called the Drunken Duck. And it's got a picture of above the door, Waddle In, and then on the other door it's got Waddle Out. And I took it and I sent it to Chris Waddle. I said, look at this. And I've still got it on my phone. But I can now just imagine for that one that Ian was talking about in Devon. Exmouth. Yeah.

39:51Ian Dennis:Exmouth. Exmouth. Yeah.

39:52John Murray:No, it was Newton Poppleford. You could have cannon in, cannon out.

39:58Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. Yeah. If you spot an unintended pub or film name, we do films as well, in any sports commentary you hear on the BBC, do let us know. TCV at bbc.co.uk. WhatsApps to 08000 289 369. We're going to have to let Adam and Steve go shortly because both of them have got a lot of work to do ahead of a big game. Adam with his notes, Steve with his match prep. The other thing we do, Steve, on the pod is our great glossary of football commentary. So terms that you hear in football commentary or other sports, and then we decide whether they go into Division 1 because they're just exclusive to football.

40:34Ali Bruce-Ball:You don't hear them anywhere else. Maybe even, I mean, non-league football. You can have another division for that. And then Division 2 is slightly more sort of generic terms. Is there anything in particular in your football lexicon that you would use that you think would belong in our great glossary of football commentary? I have two slogans that I suppose I'm known for. That is bombing on. Pep Guardiola in this country has destroyed the fullback. The fullback is now encouraged to turn in. They call them double pivots. A fullback should get up and down. And they call it overload. I call it full-back attacking.

41:12So I'd like bombing on to go in there.

41:15Ali Bruce-Ball:Bombing on, okay, yeah. And then the other one, and I don't know if I'll get away with saying this, is arse and elbows. An old-fashioned number nine should use his arse and his elbows. Get them out, get them out, like that, get them out, protect that ball, and then your midfield picks up the scraps. We've coached this hard at game. Sports Extra 3, Adam, arse and elbows, Sunday afternoon. I think it should be passed. Milsham passed.

41:41John Murray:Who was great with his backside back in the day? Kenny Dalgleish. Oh, apparently was the best. Yeah. Again, I'm showing my age.

41:50Ali Bruce-Ball:Kenny Dalgleish's backside and clunk. But also, fellow Scott, the best modern exponent of that, and I know he's not a centre-fool, it's John McGinn, is he? John McGinn is unbelievable. He loves it. Definitely. So, bombing on has been suggested, and arse and elbows. Div 1, Div 2, what are we thinking? Do they go into the glossary? I mean, also, can you put a term in the glossary that we're actually not going to be allowed to use in commentaries on the BBC? Because I'm not sure Steve's second one, I'm not sure we're going to get away with. Backside and elbows. Yeah, they are. Backside and elbows.

42:21Ali Bruce-Ball:Backside and elbows. Okay. Well, that would be Div 1. Bombing on. Can you bomb on in rugby? Can you bomb on in... Can you? Yeah, I don't know. What do we think? Is that Div 1 too? Or do we put that out to the listeners? Put it out to the listeners. Put it out to the listeners. They can get in touch with us next week. but we are definitely putting backside and elbows into Division 1. I'll take that.

42:49Ali Bruce-Ball:Hooray! Steve, Adam, thank you very much indeed for your company on the commentator's view, and I hope that goes brilliantly for you all on Sunday. Thank you for all your support. It means absolute will to me and Annika. Yeah, thanks very much, boys. Yeah, and to be totally impartial, we have to say good luck to the nag's head as well. Sorry, Steve. Bye. See you later, man. Bye-bye.

43:13Ali Bruce-Ball:Very good. Very good. That is Steve Bracknell, Assistant Manager of the Royal Oak FC. Big Cup game, quarterfinal coming on Sunday. You can hear it on Sports Extra 3, 2 o 'clock kick-off Easter Sunday. Adam Oxley, your commentator for that one. And, of course, if the Sheffield Imperial Cup isn't your bag, a reminder we have the FA Cup quarterfinals covered for you on Five Live this weekend. And our game on that Sunday, a little bit later on, is West Ham and Leeds. Unintended pub names, glossary suggestions, as always, tcv at bbc.co.uk. Or you can send us a message or voice note on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369.

43:51Ali Bruce-Ball:John.

43:52Ian Dennis:And do what Rhys says and recommend friends and colleagues listen to the commentators for your podcast as well. Well done, Rhys. Big tick for that.

44:03Ali Bruce-Ball:but but but but John and you mention this in every single pod what is better than listening to

44:09Ian Dennis:podcasts John in theory it should be our commentaries our live match commentaries yes this is just knockabout for us when we're supposed to be at our best is when we actually

44:22Ali Bruce-Ball:commentate on football matches that is it for this episode of the football daily and remember you can find each and every episode of the commentators view by scrolling down your football Danny Feat.

44:33John Murray:He's a character, isn't he?

44:35Ian Dennis:Yeah. I still haven't quite got my head around at what it is. No, I haven't. Cheers.

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