The Commentators' View: Spanish sherry & lackadaisical

15:44Ali Bruce-Ball:Isaac Hajar. Isaac Hajar. I've been busted doing those sort of silly things before. So quite like you, John, you know, Mark Chapman claims he doesn't listen to the podcast. He does. They nick the bits out of us making fools of ourselves and then play it for their amusement. So quite like you, I'm not falling into that trap. Laurie in Melbourne gets in touch on this note as well. I was in the Lyft today on my way to get lunch and a fellow Lyft member from a different floor in my building started joining in with my humming. And what was it we ended up singing by ground level after 26 floors? Nuno.

16:22Ali Bruce-Ball:I nearly burst into song. You did. Nuno Espirito Santo. It turns out neither of us are West Ham fans. We're Portsmouth and Liverpool. Both of us are big fans of the commentator's view. Thank you. From Laurie, that's brilliant. So down under in Australia on separate floors and they're listening to our pod. That is tremendous. That is remarkable.

16:44Ian Dennis:That actually makes me think of, I was thinking when I was listening to Tony Livesey's programme when I was driving back home once I returned from Madrid and Tony was talking this week on his program on 5 Live about how he wanted to try and get one new listener every night, which I thought, oh, we could adapt that and we could say to our regular commentators' view listeners, we could say to them, your task is this week to introduce one new person to this podcast. So there's a challenge for our listeners.

17:22John Murray:if we start singing the clash then I think we'll lose quite a few

17:30Ali Bruce-Ball:the list of just getting onto the football commentaries on the network on 5 Live and BBC Sounds this weekend I mean it's an enormous long list because obviously next week we've got the second leg of all the European football as well the other thing I would say just very quickly because we're going to talk about the football on this podcast is this weekend is a classic example of where the BBC Sounds app comes into its own, where you can get Five Live, you can get all the podcasts, you can get all the sports extra streams. Because over the weekend, you've got the final Saturday of the Six Nations, which is going to be spectacular, all the Premier League football.

18:07Ali Bruce-Ball:We've got the tennis in Indian Wells, commentary on the last two rounds of the Players' Championship in the Gulf. What else am I missing? That'll be the Chinese Grand Prix at 7 o 'clock. That's right, John, on Sunday morning. So it's absolutely, if you haven't got the BBC Sounds app for a weekend like this, and if you're a sports fan, you have to have it. We're talking football. So in amongst the rugby on Saturday, I'm going to be at Turf Moor for our three o 'clock Premier League commentary, which is Burnley against Bournemouth. That will actually start on Sports Extra, because Ireland-Scotland in the Six Nations, which is a massive game, kicks off at ten past two.

18:44Ali Bruce-Ball:So second half of Burnley-Bourmouth will then appear on 5 Live. If you want Sunderland-Brighton in full, that will be on Sports Extra 2. And then we've got two commentaries from the Premier League at half past five on Saturday. Arsenal-Everton and Chelsea-Newcastle, which will be on Sports Extra. On Arsenal, chaps, because I've just been watching them recently, and obviously we're back into the title race this weekend. I thought, John, watching them in the Champions League, playing in the Champions League and knockout football might free them up a little. I've watched quite a lot of them recently, and they are not freed up at the moment.

19:20Ali Bruce-Ball:It's a grind. It's a real grind. And I don't actually think that's going to change now for the rest of the season. I can't see them throwing the shackles off.

19:29Ian Dennis:No, and if that's successful for them, that's fine by me. When you've not won the Premier League since 2004, and that is your prime target, your prime goal. Listen, all of the exciting, expressive football can come in the seasons ahead once they've got back on the winning track. It's not something that particularly gets under my skin because if you've got to find a way to win, then that's what you have to do.

19:55Ali Bruce-Ball:Ian, what are you making of the tight dress? I mean, having watched Manchester City, obviously I know it was against Real Madrid and it was in the Bernabeu and whatever. Do you think Manchester City are going to be good enough to haul them in? Seven points game in hand, they've still got Arsenal to come at home.

20:09John Murray:well it was interesting speaking to Pep Guardiola after the victory for them over Newcastle United in the FA Cup the previous weekend when he said I know what's being said and he was almost saying there's still a long way to go yet and I think he'll still back his team but I like John just think that Arsenal and as you know even when people were doubting them I said they'll still go on and win the title I've backed them from the very start so I think it's just a question of getting over the line and I still believe that they will do that. I think psychologically the meeting coming up between the two of them in the League Cup final could have a bearing, whoever was to win that.

20:49John Murray:But especially if Arsenal can win that trophy then I think that will just give them a little bit of a boost to see them through in the final straight.

20:55Ian Dennis:And I must say as well, you know, those two big meetings, the Carabao Cup final and the Premier League match, you know, we will have commentary on both of those matches on five lives. So Sunday 22nd of March at 4.30, Carabao Cup final. And then Sunday the 19th of April, 4.30 at the Etihad, the league match between Manchester City and Arsenal. And I would also say, I just think, you know, having seen him the other night, I know sometimes you see Haaland where he has a very, very quiet evening. But, you know, he's being used quite sparingly by Pep Guardiola at the moment if he is nursing something.

21:29Ian Dennis:and for a run now for him of just four goals in his last 17 appearances, that is not the Erling Haaland that we've become used to seeing.

21:39Ali Bruce-Ball:Bringing it back to this Sunday, John, you're at Old Trafford, 2 o 'clock on Sunday for Manchester United against Aston Villa. A fresh Manchester United, obviously, because they're not playing European football.

21:50Ian Dennis:Yes, and a fresh team on Dublin, of course, will be sitting next to me as well. And I think with Manchester United at the moment, under Michael Carrick, whatever they do is very much a story. So, yeah, Manchester United, Aston Villa. Two o 'clock as well, an earlier finish on a Sunday, which I always quite like.

22:08John Murray:He might not be that fresh. He's been at Cheltenham this week.

22:13Ian Dennis:Well said, Ian, well said.

22:15Ali Bruce-Ball:Last week's guest, John Huntsman, in sparkling form, of course, on the mic at Cheltenham this week. Two o 'clock Sunday, Forest Fulham Sports Extra, Palace Leeds Sports Extra 2. The Women's League Cup final kicks off at 2.15. on Sunday. That's on Sports Extra 3. And then the 4.30 commentary on Five Live and BBC Sounds is Liverpool Spurs. And actually, I mean, given what happened in midweek with Spurs, that will be, I mean, that could be grim fascination because it is just, I mean, you don't know, really. I mean, we obviously don't know what's going to happen, but it's falling in on itself there, isn't it?

22:50John Murray:It is, yeah. Yeah, they are imploding. And I'll be honest with you, I'm surprised he's still in the job. I know a number of Tottenham supporters, and for a long time they've been saying, oh, we're in a relegation dogfight. And I thought, oh, no, they'll be all right. They'll be all right. And I think the alarm bells now are ringing for everybody for what's going on there.

23:12Ian Dennis:Well, I think I said a couple of weeks ago, Ian, remember when they had the two matches against Fulham and Palace, and we were talking about Tottenham, and I said, well, I don't think they will, but if they were to lose both of those matches, then they're in big trouble. They lost both of those matches, and then experienced what they did in the first half at the Metropolitano the other night.

23:31John Murray:And the appointment of Tudor has the paw prints of Paratici all over it. And I would now question the decision makers at Tottenham, if they allowed his influence to say, right, OK, he's going to come in to replace Thomas Frank. I would question their decision making as to now, can they get the next appointment right? because it was such a gamble for Tudor to come in. And I actually thought, ooh, that's very, very bold. It hasn't clearly worked. And the longer they leave it, they place Tottenham's place in the top flight more at risk, more jeopardy.

24:11Ali Bruce-Ball:I don't think they would have got relegated under Thomas Frank. And on socials this week, I saw someone replay that clip of Antonio Conte when he lost it after a game against Southampton and went on about how Tottenham Hotspur Football Club is run. And you watch that now and you think, crikey. Well, anyway, we'll say. I mean, that is appointment listening. 4.30 Sunday, Vicky Sparks and Clinton Morrison will bring you Liverpool against Spurs. On to the correspondence. TCV at bbc.co.uk is the email address 08000 289 369 for the voice notes. First up, Manchester City fan Joe. Hi TCV, one of the 100 % club who's listened to every episode, unlike John.

24:56Ali Bruce-Ball:You three are a brilliant accompaniment to my Saturday morning runs. I wanted to shout out Five Lives' John Akers for his work in the FA Cup last weekend. My maternal grandfather is a huge Port Vale fan, and there was no one better than John to deliver the shock win against Sunderland with his local knowledge, and it allowed the listener into a very underappreciated and lesser-known part of the country after his great work on BBC Radio Stoke for many years on Saturday afternoons. Thank you to John and the production team for their great work and a few happy tears were shed on an emotional afternoon for one side of our family.

25:31Ali Bruce-Ball:Keep up the great work. That is a lovely email. Thank you, Joe. We'll make sure John will pass that on.

25:37Ian Dennis:Yes, and I caught bits and pieces of John's commentary having been at Wrexham on the Friday night and that was a really enjoyable experience to go to the race course ground and I must thank Mark Griffiths who is the regular Wrexham commentator. We had a lovely chat for about 20 minutes when I got to the race course ground and his knowledge, because he's commentated on the club, he knows it inside out, some of the stuff he was telling me about everything that's been going on at the club and how it is and what it's like being involved in Wrexham right now I just found absolutely fascinating.

26:16Ali Bruce-Ball:I wonder if he was there to see me make a total fool of myself at the race course ground when working for BBC Radio Bristol back in the late 90s, because as you were telling your Wrexham stories with John Hunt last week, you know, sometimes when we get into conversation on the pod, you think, oh, God, yeah, that reminds me. I was thinking, have I been there? And basically, I turned up on a day working for local radio, and, you know, I think as with all of us, we've got these ISDN boxes, which is how we broadcast a sort of high quality phone line and i know how to plug those in and turn them on and dial them up but if something goes wrong with it i've got no chance of fixing it and then you're looking around for some help about 10 more minutes before the show was about to go on air i just couldn't get the line up and running and i was desperately sort of looking around the stand for someone and i spotted someone who i thought i didn't you know you know you just sort of make assumptions about people i just thought that there's someone who looks like either they might be part of the media team but also possibly they just might be able to help me technically here but this chap was sort of sitting there quite close to me with headphones on so he was obviously about to do some broadcasting i felt terrible i was sort of trying to get his attention and whatever and eventually i did after a couple of minutes uh and then was sort of pointing to my box and saying it wouldn't work and could you help whatever it turns it turns out it was former striker and manager of wrexham dixie mcneill who would have had much less of an idea about how to work an ISDN kit than I would.

27:42Ali Bruce-Ball:And Jeff Twentiman, who was, I've mentioned on this pod before, who was my boss and presenting the show, we were live at the Racecourse Ground, he let me, he watched this all play out. And I think he knew who I was trying to get help from. And it was Dixie McNeil. And he was falling about laughing. Because Dixie McNeil was just shrugging. How can... It just reminded me of that at Wrexhill. We got on air anyway, so that was...

28:04Ian Dennis:A fine player as well, Dixie McNeil. And actually, after the discussion last week about how tight it was there. Actually, it was a brilliant commentary position and I had lots of leg room. It's tight from side to side as opposed to being tight for leg room. But I felt that the race course ground had, you know, probably better than half the commentary positions that we are often in. And was it your first visit? I think it was. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was my first visit there.

28:36Ali Bruce-Ball:We've been talking about palm trees at football grounds on the pod recently. Chris in Melbourne alerting us to the Central Coast Mariners in Gosford. Gary, producer Gary, has got in touch with the pod and says he's already been there.

28:51Ian Dennis:I thought Gary had enough to be getting on with, never mind sending emails into our own podcast.

28:57Ali Bruce-Ball:Good news, Ian, this about a potential world tour starting at the Central Coast Mariners in Gosford. England's women trained at the venue during the 2023 Women's World Cup. It means the ground has been wrecked, risk assessed and approved for live broadcast. So book those plane tickets, says Gary.

29:16Ian Dennis:Yeah, thanks for writing in, Gary. Yeah, hopefully we'll hear from you again soon.

29:23Ian Dennis:Listen, this is a great one, this next email. And this comes from self-proclaimed long-suffering Spurs fan Janina. and Janina says hello TCV gents I love listening to the pod and look forward to listening every week I really enjoyed last week's pod with the brilliant John Hunt guesting I really enjoyed listening to his commentary at the Winter Olympics I totally agree with him about listening to sports on the radio I often have the telly box on with the sound muted and the radio commentary turned on for all the sports I follow especially the football, cricket and rugby. I love it during the big football tournaments when the BBC did the radio commentary on the red button.

30:07Ian Dennis:I always took my little transistor radio with me to games at the old White Hart Lane so I could listen to the results and reports on the long walk down the high road to Seven Sisters Underground Station, out of the blue coming on just as I was leaving the ground. I remember one occasion after Spurs had played Everton in December 1989 and the draw for Italia 90 was taking place. As I was listening on my little radio, an Everton fan came over and asked if he could listen as well. The two of us walked very slowly up the high road, listening to the draw and chatting about how we thought England would do.

30:42Ian Dennis:It hadn't finished by the time we reached the tube station, so we stood at the entrance until it had finished. That sort of thing doesn't happen in this day and age. Now it's fans walking along with the eyes on the mobile phones for results and reports. I still take a radio with me if I go to the match, only now it's a little D-A-B radio. All the best, Janina.

31:05Ali Bruce-Ball:You say it, John, every week on this pod, you cannot beat live sport on the radio.

31:09Ian Dennis:And one thing that has been lost that I don't care what anyone says is better is that thing where, when it came to, you know, the final days of the season, relegation, whatnot, now there is a real uncertainty about what's happening elsewhere because people are trying and very often in vain to follow it on their phones whereas in times past people would listen on the radio and know what was going on elsewhere but that's progress

31:39John Murray:for you. And can I just say as well, that game was the 9th of December 1989, Tottenham beat Everton by two goals to one Terry Venables was in charge of Spurs and Janina was part of a crowd of 29 ,374. Have you got the goal scorers?

31:56Ian Dennis:It's very good off the top of your head, that.

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34:01Ali Bruce-Ball:The commentator's view on the Football Daily with Alistair Bruce Ball, John Murray, and Ian Dennis. We love your suggestions for the Unintended Pub Names 2 that you've heard in sports commentary on the radio. Last time we had the dreaded drop, which everyone tries to avoid, and the man in the middle, where referees huddle inside and Howard Webb sings motivational karaoke. This week on the Unintended Pub Names, our first suggestion comes from Billy on the South Coast. It came during John's commentary of the Atletico Madrid and Spurs match on Tuesday, after Spurs went four goals down and they scored a goal.

34:41Ian Dennis:Here's Richarlison, a rare Tottenham attack. Richarlison into the penalty area, still going, works it across. Porro could be in to score! And he is, Pedro Porro has been able to get a goal back for Tottenham. Well, that's a crumb of comfort, but not much more than that. 4-1, Pedro Porro.

34:58Ali Bruce-Ball:John described it as a crumb of comfort for the Spurs supporters. This will be a pub with subdued lighting, very quiet music in the background, people speaking in hushed voices and the staff being trained counsellors that could understand and sympathise and empathise with the disappointed supporters coming in to just mull over the bad games their teams have just had. as I'm a Palace supporter I'd really appreciate going to a pub like this the run of games are on at the moment so I give it to you now and I hope it will be accepted the crumb of comfort definitely accepted I like the crumb of comfort very good

35:42John Murray:sounds like John went to the crumb of comfort

35:44Ian Dennis:at that sherry bar there weren't many crumbs of comfort in there

35:50Ali Bruce-Ball:our next correspondence Newcastle fan Dave has sent, now you won't be able to see this obviously listening to the pod, but he sent us a picture on WhatsApp, 08000 289 369 and he says, hello guys, great show. As you can see from this photo, I'm on the right and my mate Ron is with me. We were among the 1 ,800 Newcastle United fans who recently travelled to Baku in Azerbaijan to watch the Champions League knock out first leg between Karabag and Newcastle United. What an amazing place to visit. When I returned from Azerbaijan John, I listened back to John and Pat Nevin's excellent match commentary on the BBC Sounds app, and I heard John describing the sixth Newcastle goal.

36:31Ian Dennis:Jacob Murphy involved in the match for the first time, really. Left for a shot, deflected up and in, over the goalkeeper's dive. Jacob Murphy will claim that. It was on target, it took a flick, but it's in the net, and Newcastle score their sixth of the match, their first in the second half. Carabag 1 Newcastle 6 Well done Murphy, you need to be strong to get onto the ball, if you're going to come onto the game have an effect in the game it's cut in from the right hand side, onto his left foot but to be fair everything that could possibly go wrong so far for Carabag has gone wrong, that is a gigantic deflection there isn't it?

37:11Ian Dennis:I think it might, believe it or not have come off the head of the unfortunate Medina

37:17Ali Bruce-Ball:Dave says the unfortunate Medina would not only be where the Carabao players and manager headed after the game to drown their sorrows, but it would also be a chain where despondent supporters would gather in dark alleys and dimly lit market squares across Mediterranean Europe and North Africa to thrash out and apportion blame for their team's poor performance. I can see very animated groups of loud supporters in team colours gathered around bowls of olives, glasses of red wine and tapas as they dissect the match. before disappearing into the night. The Unfortunate Medina as well would have given us another song opportunity.

37:53Ali Bruce-Ball:Do you remember Tone Loke, Funky Cold Medina? I can hear Hare Chapman singing The Unfortunate Medina because that would be his kind of music, I think. So maybe we'll lay that out as a challenge to him.

38:03Ian Dennis:Yeah, good idea. So that's Gerben Gerbenhoff would find himself in The Unfortunate Medina then, wouldn't he?

38:09John Murray:I asked the guy, why are you so fly? He said, Funky Cold Medina.

38:16Ali Bruce-Ball:Thank you very much, as always, for your suggestions on those. We absolutely love them and the descriptions of the pubs just like that. So if you spot them, let us know. TCV at bbc.co.uk and the WhatsApps to 08000 289 369. Next up on the commentator's view, it's a big one. It is Clash of the Commentators. If you are listening for the first time, this is how it works. Two of us taking turns to answer a question. We give as many correct answers as we can in 30 seconds.

38:46Ian Dennis:And last time out, Ali stunned the runaway league leader, Ian, on teams beaten by boulder glimps this season. So Ian now two defeats in a row, having a bit of a wobble. The league table has Ian at the top with 10 from 14. Then Ali in second on six from 14. and then me with five from 13. Although, of course, if we ever do finally get the result of the ongoing protest, that would make life very interesting because that would take Ian back down to nine and me up to six. So it'd actually be quite tight once the verdict eventually comes in.

39:32John Murray:Well, there isn't a verdict to have. It's becoming quite tedious. This week, it's Ali versus John because you're right, I am having a wobble. But who wants to go first?

39:42Ali Bruce-Ball:John, you choose. What would you like to do today? OK, I'll go first then. OK, I'll unplug.

39:49John Murray:You're going to enjoy this one, John.

39:51Ian Dennis:I was just going to say, is it a good question, this one?

39:53John Murray:You're going to enjoy this. I've got to say, I personally am glad that I'm the question master. So, 4.30 Coventry on 5 Live, Premier League Sunday this weekend, Liverpool versus Spurs. All the talk this week has been around Igor Tudor and his decision to sub off his goalkeeper, Antonin Kinski. So, Tudor and Kinski. On this theme, I want you to name any player with a period of British history in their name or a British monarch in their name. So, any player named after a British monarch or a period of British history, we will accept repeated names. Your 30 seconds starts now. Paul Stewart, Matty James, Paul Williams,

40:45Ian Dennis:Gary Charles,

40:49Ian Dennis:Winsor, Stern John, Jay...

41:07John Murray:Give him the thumbs up. All will be revealed, Ali. So the 4.30 commentary this weekend is Liverpool Spurs and all the talk has been around Igor Tudor and his decision to sub off goalkeeper Antonin Kinski. So Tudor and Kinski, on this theme, I want you to name any player with a period of British history in their name or a British monarch in their name. What? So the players, and you have to name the players, after a British monarch or a period of British history, we will accept repeated names. Your 30 seconds starts now.

41:43Ali Bruce-Ball:So, I mean, are we allowed Charles and Zogbia for King Charles or George Paris, King George? We are doing that, are we? OK. Why am I struggling all of a sudden? What about Arthur Masuaku?

42:03Ali Bruce-Ball:I'm not going to do very well at this.

42:11John Murray:Richard Hughes. That was in time. This could be tight. This could be... You're joking. This could be... I've got to say, that was a tough one. I mean, suggested the answers that I had was Thierry Henry, Rico Henry, Roman Pavlichenko, Norman Whiteside, Stuart Pearce, George Best, Eduardo, Odson Edward, William Saliba, John Charles, Mary Earps. Yes, very good. So we wait for the final decision. Oh, here we go. The final score is in. Ali, four. John, five. Hooray! Well done, John.

42:59Ali Bruce-Ball:I think sometimes the niche ones suit you, actually, John, don't they? They're slightly sort of ones where you have to go off on a tangent.

43:06Ian Dennis:I say now on a reasonable run of form in this.

43:09Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. So where does that leave the league table now? You and I are both on six from 14. Dano's on 10 from 14. I could potentially be just two points behind him. Right, on to the glossary. this is where we add commentary terms and phrases to our collection you can find the entire glossary in the episode description Division 1 is for football exclusive terms Division 2 is for terms used in football commentary but also used in other sports last week we put the no look pass and put his cap on it he could have thrown his cap on it into Division 1 but Dave, the very happy Lincoln fan says no look pass is Div 2 if you want to see the master this is a good point actually Dave watch Scottish rugby player Finn Russell offloading the ball to his right while looking left.

43:59Ali Bruce-Ball:The opposing defender always looks to the eyes to see where the offload pass is going, but Finn only passes the way he is looking about half the time. Genius. Mahomes does that in NFL as well. That's a really good point.

44:13Ian Dennis:As is about to be. Oh, I see, yes. By Richard from Stockport, who says, I'm afraid the no-look pass entry is definitely Division 2. And Richard says, if ABB had been on the pod last week, he would have immediately called it as a regular part of American football. Famous proponents include Patrick Mahomes. So Richard's absolutely right in that he's just done that. He's actually done that. So Richard says, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Stafford, all just about current starting quarterbacks in the NFL. there will be others and I'm sure basketball has many a no-look pass also.

44:56Ali Bruce-Ball:Inverness fan John during John Murray's commentary of Real Madrid against Manchester City I heard a poetic new phrase from Paul Robinson that I reckon deserves a place in the great glossary.

45:05Ian Dennis:Real Madrid have been carved open time and again and Doku is causing them real problems as Husinov does well with an excellent challenge on Vinicius just inside the Real Madrid half.

45:16Ali Bruce-Ball:This left-hand side the channel has proved the real channel of joy for Manchester City in the early stages of this game. I've heard commentators refer to players running the channels and finding joy in the channels before, but the channel of joy stood out as a lovely Robinsonism, which sums up a team creating chances via the inside forward position. So it's like the corridor of uncertainty, isn't it? The channel of joy.

45:38John Murray:And actually, that could also be an unintended pub name.

45:41Ian Dennis:It could, the channel of joy. And also, when we were reflecting on the match in the lounge, the aforementioned lounge over the Iberico and bread that Miguel and Pippa delivered to us. Paul actually said as well that he used the phrase, which I missed, but he said he used the phrase super duper during the course of the commentary. He can't remember what it was, but he said something. He was going to say super, but he ended up saying super duper, which I haven't heard being used for a long time. Super duper.

46:17John Murray:South End United fan Ed, to the gantry, I've been reflecting on the linguistic architecture of the modern broadcast and would like to submit two heavy hitters for the glossary. Lackadaisical, the ultimate commentator's adjective. It's never, ever used in real life. But the moment a centre-back takes an indulgent heavy touch in their own six-yard box, it's the only word that fits. It's the posh, disappointed cousin of Sloppy, as heard last week on the midweek match of the day by Danny Murphy.

46:53Ian Dennis:You said lackadaisical. It is lackadaisical. I did.

46:58Ali Bruce-Ball:Virgil bullied a bit too easily, very unlike him. Canati tried to recover. You know, there's too many mistakes. Is it concentration? Is it fatigue? Lack of confidence?

47:08Ian Dennis:I'm not sure, but there's too many times in games. I mean, I remember seeing the first half of Forest where there was a similar lackadaisical attitude there,

47:16John Murray:nobody closing him down. I wasn't the only one. Also, asterisk, the primary tool for the professional belittler. It is most commonly deployed to airbrush an achievement out of history, most notably used to suggest the COVID season doesn't quite count. Keep up the elite level analysis of the trivia.

47:37Ian Dennis:Without wishing to label the point, you said asterisk. It's asterisk. Asterisk is a little Gaulish warrior.

47:48Ali Bruce-Ball:Chris Sutton loves an asterisk rather than an asterisk. But do you know what? I think those are both really good points. They both have to be Division 2 because they're used everywhere. But I think in the context that Ed is talking about there, those are absolute classics, aren't they? The asterisk to say, well, something's gone on here, so we're going to have to look at this in a slightly different light. And those are classics, but they're Div 2. They have to be Div 2, but they're good.

48:14Ian Dennis:Yes, they are absolutely Division 2. But you're right, they are. And also, Ed was right. Lackadaisical is a word that, I mean, would you hear that in the classroom? Is that the sort of thing a teacher would say?

48:28Ali Bruce-Ball:Possibly, but the kids wouldn't have a clue what the teacher meant.

48:31Ian Dennis:Exasperated teacher.

48:32Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, yeah. Does Channel of Joy get in? I mean that's a Paul Robinson original isn't it? I mean I've never heard that anywhere so it'd have to be Div 1 if it does get in if it exists, if it's a thing Well let's put it in Division 1 then Channel of Joy gets into Division 1, No Look Pass relegated to Division 2 Lackadaisical and Asterisk both going in Division 2 and I said those I enunciated both of those very clearly because I could see John staring down the Zoom at me. So, yeah, those are the terms for the glossary this week.

49:17Ali Bruce-Ball:Hooray! So keep the unintended pub names and glossary suggestions coming. Questions welcome as well for our Q &A episode. TCV at bbc.co.uk. You can send us a message or a voice note on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. Remember you can find each and every episode of the Commentator's View by scrolling down your Football Daily feed.

49:43John Murray:Excellent listening skills, John. Thanks very much.

49:47Ian Dennis:Was there a Plantagenet, by the way? Not that I can remember. I'm Rich Hall, and this is Sports Strangest Crimes presents Confessions of a Super Bowl Streaker. When people ask me what I do, I say to them, well, by day or by night. The story of one man's mission to conquer the holy grail of streaking, the Super Bowl. Mark Roberts is too lively for this body.

50:12Ali Bruce-Ball:He's just like the entertainer.

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