The Commentators’ View: Toilet rolls & stolen wallets

12:23Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, yeah, we had a lot of fun, actually, with that game. And do you know what? I think the three minutes from the point at which Azaz scored that goal, and the brilliant thing was that he scored it at the end that the Southampton fans were all at, and they were all in those yellow and blue kits. So it was like yellow and blue fireworks going off. I think that's one of the best goals I've commentated on live. I mean, it was for a game of that magnitude, and Manchester City were all over Southampton, particularly in that second half. the touch the turn the instinctive shot to then find the top corner what added to it was Trafford full stretch couldn't get anywhere near it it was so well here then the celebrations that three minutes was brilliant because you were sort of living in amongst that Southampton joy but it only lasted for three minutes and I think Manchester City probably deserved to win the game but um no uh yes I chatted to Izzy about Wellington playing at left back I used the very obvious pun in the first half of Wellington putting his boot in.

13:25Ali Bruce-Ball:But Izzy had actually spotted that Wellington and Bree, James Bree, were playing in the same Southampton defence and did a lovely little link on sort of if the game had been at Christmas time and your plate being a bit full with the old beef Wellington and Bree. It was brilliantly done, actually. It made me laugh out loud in comedy. It was very good.

13:45John Murray:It was a very good listen. And then I listened across to finish the conclusion of your game, John, which was equally as nervy, wasn't it? Arsenal-Newcastle. It was, yes.

13:56Ian Dennis:And Newcastle actually played quite well in that match. And I thought very interestingly when Eddie Howe came in and spoke to us in the media room afterwards, amongst the things that he said was that Newcastle, he said, we're going to have a very big summer on and off the pitch. And I thought, bearing in mind the speculation about his future and, you know, They lost that game. That was five defeats in a row. I thought that was quite a statement from him to make it clear that in his mind, he's going to be the Newcastle manager.

14:29John Murray:Well, the commentaries that we've got coming up on Five Live and the BBC Sounds app from Saturday right the way through until Thursday, we have a feast of football to look forward to. And actually, even before we get to the commentaries, the climax of the football league season with Mark Chapman from 12, bearing in mind the championship games kick off at 12.30 and there's so much at stake where you've got three teams looking for automatic promotion and then you've got the playoff position as well where three teams are looking to try and get into the playoffs. That will be a captivating listen in itself.

15:02John Murray:Then Brentford-West Ham, which will have ramifications as far as the relegation is concerned at three. But then we've got League One and League Two, which is, again, so much on the line in those two divisions. So I would urge anybody on Saturday afternoon just to be in the company on 5 Live Sport because it should be a really, really good listen. And then John is back covering Arsenal for Fulham at 5.30 with Rob Green. Sunday, Manchester City's women are looking to take another step nearer the title of the WSL against Liverpool. That's at 12. Bournemouth Crystal Palace. Ali's joined by Dion Dublin after that for Manchester United-Liverpool.

15:35John Murray:Bank Holiday Monday, we've got Chelsea Forest. And then Hearts Rangers, which will be significant regarding the Scottish title at 5.30. And then what a triple header next Tuesday. Arsenal-Atletico in the Champions League, Bayern-Paris Saint-Germain on the Wednesday night, and then the return leg of Aston Villa-Nottingham Forest. So, so much football to look forward to.

15:54Ali Bruce-Ball:Just linking that all together, Ian, I actually eschewed what people are calling the game of the century on Tuesday night, which was obviously the PSG-Bayern game in the Champions League, to focus in on the EFL. And Southampton 2, Ipswich 2, I'll tell you, was one hell of a game. So you're right, that's going to be absolutely brilliant. And in terms of my game coming up this weekend, so Manchester United-Liverpool, I don't know if you guys ever have these days, but I thought, right, we're recording this podcast today at 11 o 'clock. That gives me a good three hours before the pod to start prepping Manchester United-Liverpool.

16:28Ali Bruce-Ball:And I've just had one of those days where, you know, the plumber arrived to service the boiler. I had to go into the loft to fish something out for whatever we're doing this week. I just haven't got started. Three hours has just gone like that. And I've not done a single thing. Do you ever get that in a day where you think, you know, I've got a solid window.

16:47Ian Dennis:That's everything. That's welcome to my life. Yeah. I've still got to cut the grass, John.

16:53John Murray:You need to cut it before the rain arrives. Exactly. I've got to do it today. Exactly.

16:58Ian Dennis:You should be like Hair Chapman and have someone who does that.

17:01Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

17:02Ian Dennis:Not for me. I suspect. we should also say thank you to Bayern Munich for granting us access to the second leg of that tie so Conor McNamara and Chris Sutton will be heading off there and at the same time I should also say well done to Conor McNamara for winning the Sports Journalists Association Sports Commentator of the Year Award when we were at the London Palladium on Monday night and I think Conor was very chuffed although he wasn't there to receive it. So we had the classic, Conor can't be here tonight because he's commentating on Manchester United,

17:44John Murray:Brentford instead. But he posted a nice video on his social media where he'd just come off the gantry at Old Trafford and he'd had a barrage of text messages saying congratulations. I wasn't aware he was doing that so when I sent him my message, I'd just say, I hope you're having a good night and then he said, I've been at Old Trafford. So normally I'm sure he would have celebrated long into the night.

18:09Ian Dennis:I said to him in the build-up to that event, I said, you ought to get yourself moved off that match, Manchester United-Brentford. You should come to the London Palladium. And he didn't.

18:20Ali Bruce-Ball:Just to blow the Five Live trumpet and John Murray's trumpet because we know he won't blow it himself, Five Live won two there, Connor, number one. I know Conor commentates for other organisations as well, but John Murray, runner-up, very good.

18:36Ian Dennis:I think it was Conor's Lyon Manchester United, or Manchester United Lyon commentary, that very much was the deciding factor there. I've been bridesmaid now for two years in a row. Yeah, but you have won it before. Well, not that I want to blow my own trumpet, but I have indeed.

18:54John Murray:I often say, if you don't blow your own trumpet, nobody else will. talking of blowing a trumpet BBC Radio York commentator David Ward joins us because we have this special guest for what has been a busy season of commentating on a lot of goals and we talk about Conor and that Manchester United-Leon game and all the excitement that that provided quite the crescendo to the season following York City in that promotion decider against Rochdale Joe Grace still got it feeds it through to Stones on the right hand side stones pulls it back goalkeeper still not kept out to the back post it goes callum howe head towards goal scrambled in we've done it we've done it we have done it york city have done it now it's their turn to invade the paint can you believe that we have done it we're going back to the football league oh my word The Saints, the Saints, get in there!

19:54The Promised Land is here for York City. Desolation everywhere, we have done it!

20:01Ali Bruce-Ball:Have you ever known anything quite like that you've done? Told you there was a chance... Lost my voice. I told you there's a chance, there's always a chance in football, if you believe, and you deserved it. These boys deserved it, David. There's always, ever, never, ever give up. This team never, ever gives up. We always score! We always score!

20:24John Murray:Well, Mark in York has said, Hi, I would like you to consider David Ward's commentary of Rochdale versus York for the accidental pub names, The Promised Land. In the middle of quite a chaotic scene, he came up with a gem. Has the voice recovered? Just about, guys, yeah. Morning. Before we get going, can I just apologise to Rob Knopfman? because I've probably just broken every rule in the book there.

20:52Ali Bruce-Ball:Here's one for you, David. How many people that you know of already have that as their ringtone? There must be people who've got that, York City fans who've got that as their ringtone already, must have. Yeah, I know a couple of guys who've put it as their ringtone. Honestly, the reaction has been absolutely ridiculous to it. It was an absolutely crazy game. It's been a crazy season, to be honest with you. You heard me saying there at the end, we always score, we always score. 114 goals York City have scored this season. That was the 41st successive game they'd scored in. And throughout, we're thinking, surely they'll get one goal.

21:26One goal will do it, Rochdale will need two then. But then when Rochdale scored in the 95th minute, I think it was, as I said, it was just ridiculous. It was absolutely ridiculous.

21:36Ian Dennis:You know, don't you, for as long as you commentate, you might never commentate on another match quite like that. that is, you know, for the two teams to be playing each other on the final day of the season, I don't think we'll see that in the Premier League, for example. You know, I know the fixtures are random, but very, very, very rarely end up with big teams playing each other on the final Sunday. So for you to have that scenario there, it's like the dream scenario for a commentator, isn't it? It is. My mind, looking ahead to the game last week, was going back to 89. the Liverpool Arsenal, Michael Thomas game at Anfield that was the closer thing I could remember to the scenario where they had the top two going at it in the last game of the season but I don't think anything will ever ever beat that, actually the first person I went on the pitch at the end when we went on to do the player interviews and I went straight to the York City goalkeeper who I'm in quite a lot of contact with throughout the week he keeps a massive record of all his clean sheets and he's joint fifth in the all-time list for clean sheets for York City he was desperate to get that fifth place by himself So Harrison Mayley was the first person I went to.

22:42And I was like, Harrison, I am so pleased that you conceded that goal today. Because if you hadn't, you would have never given us that ending.

22:50Ali Bruce-Ball:David, I'm presuming, I've only just thought of this actually, but how close were you to, I mean, I'm presuming BBC Radio Manchester had a team there to commentate on Rochdale. So how close were you to them? How aware were you of their commentary when Rochdale scored? And actually, I've not listened back to what it sounds like that goal. the York equaliser on BBC Radio Manchester. Have you heard that? I haven't. They've played it actually on Sports Report. Chap has played it. He played their commentary on BBC Manchester of the York goal back-to-back with our commentary off the back. So you can imagine they're slightly different.

23:23We had Chris Coles, who was there for you guys, on Five Live as well, who was directly behind us. It was quite nice, actually, that he was there because we go back quite a long way. I did a couple of games with Chris Coles nine or ten years ago for BBC Radio York. So for him to be there as well and witness that dramatic ending It was just a great day all round. It couldn't have been any better.

23:43John Murray:What was the reaction of the Rochdale supporters around you? Because I've done a commentary from Spotland and you're right in the thick of it. And when you're getting excited as you are, sometimes I think you can lose yourself in the moment and then all of a sudden everyone starts to look at you, don't you? Because you're making such a noise. Yeah, I have to be fair. They were brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. There were no issues whatsoever. And as soon as the game had finished, they were all coming up to us congratulating us on going up. I think there's a lot of respect between the two sides out of everyone on the National League circuit we have really good relations with the guys at Rochdale and we've been in communication as well throughout last week and then even since the game so I think there's a lot of hope from outside York City but also with inside York City, the football club itself and everyone associated with them that Rochdale can get up in the next couple of weeks because York and Rochdale were so far ahead of everybody else I think it'd be a bit of a travesty if they fall at the final hurdle

24:36Ali Bruce-Ball:Just in terms of going to that game, David, before it all played out, obviously in those closing moments, you are very much in the moment in commentary. You're just reacting to what you're seeing, and your reaction perfectly exemplifies how the York City fans would have been feeling. Before you went to the game, did you have in mind anything in terms of potential scenarios, how it might play out, phrases you might use? Do you work like that at all or not? No, not really. even if I had done that to be honest for that game you're never going to dream of that scenario are you? So I don't think even if you guys had gone there it's very very hard to prepare for an ending like that and even if you do take notes I think we all know there's not much time to look down at your notes have you?

25:19You're just sort of seeing what's going out in the pitch in front of you and just going with the flow really.

25:23Ian Dennis:The producer of this podcast David, Nathan has suggested that maybe it's a commentary that the Shet mate might want to do and we've just mentioned We've just mentioned Conor and his commentary on Manchester United-Leon, which was brilliant. So I don't know. We've got a lot of listeners in Australia to this podcast. So I would suggest if anyone's got a connection to the Shepmates, then they should be having a little look at your commentary. That would be the ultimate accolade, wouldn't it? It would. Those two guys are great, aren't they? I remember that commentary from that Leon game last year.

25:56They did a great job of that, as they have done on lots of different commentaries. It has been heard around the world. I got a message this morning from a friend in New Zealand saying it had been on their version of the Radio 4 Breakfast show, where they played it as an unfile in New Zealand. And I know it was played in the Middle East on a radio station over there as well. So it has travelled, shall we say, a little bit more than I thought it would do.

26:18Ian Dennis:Well, when I heard it on 5 Live Breakfast last Sunday morning, Stefan Powell, who was presenting, he declared it's the best commentary he's ever heard. so there you are I'm not sure that's true I'd have heard that as well but yeah I think he needs to listen to a little bit more of you guys

26:37John Murray:well you can guarantee now it's been played on the TCV it'll have been heard in Adelaide because we've got so many listeners in Adelaide for our next stop on the world tour that they'll know all about David Ward and also for getting in the promised land as well that intended pub name so thanks for joining us David hope you have a good summer You too, guys. Good to see you. Yeah, look forward to the promised land. I do, thank you. So we're talking of the pub names from our sport commentary. Before we bring in our next guest, this is from Jodie in Huntingdon, who was listening to the goals flying in during the commentary I did last weekend of Wolves-Spurs.

27:14John Murray:It is all happening on BBC Radio 5 Live. Porra, meanwhile, drills over the cross, beaten out of the near post. Comes towards Tell. Spurs lead by a goal to nil. What a day of fluctuating fortunes of football on BBC Radio 5 Live, regardless of the division. Jodie says the fluctuating fortunes would be a seedy backstreet gambling den featuring poker, bar skittles, dominoes and other pub classics, well known to be a bit dodgy and a place you definitely need to know how to handle yourself as things can get dicey.

27:49Ian Dennis:I do like that one. And actually, just when you mention it, Ian, Pat Nevin, who was with me at the Chelsea-Manchester City FA Cup semifinal on a Sunday, said he actually went back and listened to the last 15 minutes of the three o 'clock kickoffs from last Saturday afternoon. And Pat was saying, Pat was urging listeners to do that because he said it was brilliant. And I was listening to it live because I was sitting waiting for the Arsenal-Newcastle match to kick off. And it was very, very exciting, I must say, as it tends to be. It's a great time of the season, this, isn't it? It is, yeah. It's the best time of the season.

28:25Ian Dennis:And also on the unintended pub names, Matt from East Sussex says, just on a run ahead of the Belfast Marathon. And I heard a great shout for an unintended pub name on Five Live from Jane Lewis. Yeah, Rangers nil, Motherwell 2. That's a scoreline that did not go down well with the Rangers fans because the players left the pitch. I can tell you there's a chorus of boos in Ibrox surrounding the players as they walked off. But yeah. The chorus of boos, which Matt says sounds like an absolutely fantastic little pub for an away day.

29:02Ali Bruce-Ball:Let's squeeze in an unintended film name as well. So pub names and film names on TCV as always. This comes from Kidder Minster fan Sean, who was listening to Mike Miney's updates at Manchester United Brentford. And unfortunately, that Brentford's opportunity goes away from them. so they don't manage to get the equaliser. Having said that now, Thiago is goal side of heaven. Thiago trying to stand the ball into the bottom right-hand corner, saved by Lomans, down to his left-hand side.

29:30Ian Dennis:It's a goal side of heaven. That's a great one. That's going to be some schmaltzy American film, isn't it? Yeah.

29:40Ali Bruce-Ball:Goal side of heaven. To come up with a plot line for it, John's already at work on that, but I thought it would make a great film title. Thank you, Sean. Excellent. Well done, Mike Meine.

29:49Ian Dennis:that's a film I would not be going to see

29:51John Murray:well now all of a sudden I think that we need to challenge the listener to come up with a plot line to entice John to watch the goal side of heaven and the best one we will read out next week so tcv at bbc.co.uk or the whatsapp to 08000 289 369 and that's whether it's a film name or an unintended pub name so thank you for all your contributions

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31:52John Murray:Now time for another special guest, someone who knows all about what it's like travelling across the world to get to various places in time, Race Across the World winner from Series 4 and now co-host of the podcast Race Across the World, The Detour, Alfie Watts. Welcome, Alfie. Good afternoon, gentlemen. How are we? Very well. How are you? I'm really good, thank you. I mean, I've had better football lives. Well, I've had better football times in my life because I am unfortunately a Tottenham fan. But yeah, all good. And in terms of your travel, have you ever had your wallet stolen twice in Madrid?

32:26Not twice in Madrid. I did have my bag stolen last week in Peru, if that counts. My wallet was in it, yeah. Oh, so we've got common ground. What else was in the bag? My laptop, my camera, my microphones. Yeah, about three grand. Oh, that's a fun insurance claim.

32:45Ian Dennis:Compared to me. That's terrible. So you must have been absolutely high and dry then without that. Or did you have your phone? Yeah, and thankfully Apple Pay basically allows you to still pay on your cards even when they've been frozen and deactivated. So that was a lifesaver. That's a good piece of advice. I wish I knew that before. Yeah, Apple Pay generally tends to keep your cards active. Yeah, it's been a stressful week. And also, I've already given our listeners public service advice about Madrid. What were the circumstances and how could you have avoided that? I met my friend for some food and some legendary pickpocket must have just picked it up from under our table because I had it and then I didn't.

33:30John Murray:Did they use a false arm? Wow. I mean, I'd love to know. The only way that I was basically what I was doing, I was tracking my laptop with a chip that I've got in it. So I was chasing the guy around the city. Yeah, it's some stupid film. And then he just ran on the Metro and then I had no chance.

33:51Ian Dennis:Do you know what? On a similar theme, because I'm not sure whether you heard, Alfie, my wallet was stolen on the Madrid Metro earlier this week. And in a very similar thing, I kind of knew it. And as he left the metro, a bit like you, in that split second, I was thinking, do I chase him or do I not? Is it worth it? I'm not sure that's wise. So I didn't. No. And particularly in South America, I did not fancy myself if this guy just happened to have some friends that were around him. I was not particularly keen on that battle. So I just avoided it. And also, as I've discussed on here, I've recently done a public order awareness course.

34:29Ian Dennis:and I think that taught me that that's not what you do. So it's already paid dividends.

34:36Ali Bruce-Ball:I feel like I need to do that course. The false arm is a good unintended pub net, I think. But Alfie, I've got a question for you about race across the world and obviously now doing the podcast, you've done both sides of it. So you've been a contestant, but now you're sort of working on the show and broadcasting. I always think when I'm watching it, so my wife and I are massive fans of race across the world. We absolutely love it that you're moving around with with a camera crew at all times, aren't you? So camera sound, that makes you a target in a way because people can see you are different.

35:10Ali Bruce-Ball:You are other and you've got lots of stuff with you. But equally, you're you're a bigger number there. Do you know what I mean? In terms of looking after your stuff. So how does that work? It's actually a really good point. And it's like we don't get asked that often. So basically, you're right. There's positives and negatives to it because, you know, for some people, it's a bit like, oh, a big camera crew. I'm not going to go anywhere near them. But then for some people who have like probably got, you know, who want to kind of, I guess, be on camera, it's like, yeah, I'll help you out. And, you know, it really is like, it works in both ways.

35:41But one thing it definitely helps with is the safety element. I mean, you'd have to be pretty brave to go up to a camera crew in the size that we've got and, you know, try and do anything.

35:50Ian Dennis:Because we spend a lot of time in hotel rooms as well. Of course. Covering the football. what what what's what makes your what do you want out of a hotel room what would you know the simple things oh that is good um actually so for me private bathroom and a bed yeah this is what's interesting so that's where that's where i draw my line like if it has those two things then chances are i can probably get on with it what's what's the line for you guys do you know i don't like and I'm very different to Ian in this regard. I actually don't like too big a room. I find when the room's too big, there's too much space.

36:30Ian Dennis:I like it to be quite compact. Do you prefer, because I imagine you'll have stayed in some sort of nice hotels. Like, this is very, I think, first world conversation. You say that, you say that, Alfie. Do you prefer? You know this is the BBC, don't you? do you prefer a rain shower or one that you can like hold and uh i used to be the sort of like you say the one you hold i've now sort of transitioned to the rain shower yeah definitely

37:01Ali Bruce-Ball:don't want to be holding the shower absolutely no i'm gonna say the one you hold the one that's

37:05Ian Dennis:at an angle that comes out of the wall okay yeah nice yeah i prefer the i now prefer the rain shower Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

37:13Ali Bruce-Ball:So on that... Hang on a minute. I want to know what Ian wants.

37:16Ian Dennis:What does Ian prefer?

37:18John Murray:I would go for the whole hog. I would go for the one that's on the angle, the rain shower, and then also the jets that sort of like attack your body at various points. The knees, the waist. I'm not in those hotels. Hotels are you staying in. Yeah, exactly.

37:37Ali Bruce-Ball:That's not great for the planet either. That's too much water, Ian. um i'll tell you what so so in terms of you know you just said there i'll be private private bathroom and you know and a bed so on one of my adventures with the bbc last year we flew out to cover the masters uh in augusta we flew into atlanta and there was me uh and our engineer richard and the reason i was traveling with richard uh was i've worked with richard for many years so that he had like six cases massive cases of broadcasting kit that he needed help with at each end basically to get them from A to B. We land in Atlanta about two hours late and there is one heck of a storm on basically.

38:18Ali Bruce-Ball:So a lot of flights are grounded in Atlanta. Now there are loads of hotel options around Atlanta Airport and that was our plan to stay in a hotel in Atlanta before doing the sort of two and a half hour drive to Augusta the following morning. Anyway, we get to our hotel just after midnight. Get to the desk. This will be a classic on Race Across the World. Get to the desk. We open the book as if to see where they've sold our rooms. They've not heard from us. Our rooms have gone So Richard and I now don't have a room. There's nothing left in the hotel and we think right You know, we've just come off a nine-hour flight.

38:53Ali Bruce-Ball:We can't drive in this weather to Augusta We're gonna have to find another hotel. So we're driving around Atlanta Airport. We went to six seven different hotels. Eventually we get to one I can't remember which chain it was they've got they said no we can help you out we've got a room we've got one room and i'm thinking well it's gonna have to be it's gonna have to be so we then said right please tell me there's two beds in there yes there are two beds but you would have laughed honestly because that whole thing about sharing each other space so we've worked together for many years but that's a really you know that's quite an uncomfortable thing to have to do to get undressed for bed if you'd seen us sleeping in the double bed i was literally left wing of one and richard was right wing of the other and the politeness that we were sort of showing each other in terms of your turn in the bathroom honestly it was it was comic it was absolutely disastrous in terms of a travel tale but we did we did survive it now you mentioned

39:49Ian Dennis:atlanta airport and i was going to say alfie the thing i can't stand is air conditioning air conditioning drives me mad in a hotel room really yeah and anyway this hotel similar scenario got to Ali's, got to this hotel room in Atlanta airport, went in the room and I thought, what's that? And it's like, and it's like, it's like my hair's flying. But I just think, what is it? It's the air conditioning unit. Where is it? It's right next to the bed. And it was late, late at night, just like Ali says, I'm trying to, where's the switch for this thing? Couldn't find the switch. Couldn't find it. It's looking everywhere.

40:25Ian Dennis:Can't find the switch. It's blowing the whole time. Went back to reception. They said, no, you can't switch it off. It's on all the time. And I actually, I had, I went to bed and I piled up pillows and the duvet. I'm like hiding behind this force 10 from Navarone and I barely slept. Do you know what, right? This is, this is a common thing that I get in my messages is about American travel horror stories. And I think I can just say on behalf of all of us, I'm just really glad that there's no major sporting event happening this year. That's going to, that's going to, that's going to make, that's going to make other people have these horrendous stories.

41:01I flew to Chicago last year in July and flights were grounded in that city for three days because of summer storms. Like, it's going to be a nightmare.

41:12John Murray:It's just dawned on me, Alfie, that you were in Bilbao last year for the Europa League final. Correct. That was me. Yeah. And all of a sudden I've just had a flashback. Because I was going to ask you the question before we let you go. How have you kept, when you were on your travels, how did you keep in touch with Tottenham and how they were doing? Funny story about this, actually. So obviously it's been quite a miserable few years as a Tottenham fan, apart from like some very select moments. Well, yeah, exactly. So, but you would argue that that first 10 games under Antipashtokoglu is probably the best Tottenham Hotspur fans have felt ever.

41:45Those 10 games were the entire eight weeks of which I was away on Race Across the World. I came back and it was the game we lost 1-0 to Wolves in the last minute. And since then, we have just been rubbish.

41:57Ali Bruce-Ball:can i ask as as a fan of race across the world can i ask one more really quick question alfie and i get asked this a lot when the teams choose their routes to go on as in right you've got to get from a to b and these are your destinations you could go this way you could go that way surely you're not all allowed to choose the same route surely the producers must say you might not be able to reveal this but it would be a boring show if everyone went the same route yeah i mean I think that there's no like particular, there's no, there's no like groundbreaking rules or regulations, but they're very clever with the job directory.

42:30Basically, if you want to work, which obviously everyone needs to, cause you need to top up your budget, the jobs are dotted about in different cities along the route. So just naturally, when you choose to go and do work, you just naturally divide. That's, that's just, it's, it's quite clear. It's quite cleverly done. But yeah, that's the only reason is because, and also like, you know, there are opportunities, you know, you'll, you'll be told about certain like tourist attractions and things like that that you can go and see. And there are some things that you just don't want to miss, you know, particularly in this series, in series six, you know, these guys probably aren't going to be going back to Uzbekistan and things like that.

43:00So to kind of see those things in the moment, that's kind of priceless for them. So sacrificing a bit of time to go and see that and then naturally people kind of just divulge.

43:10Ali Bruce-Ball:Someone in the production team, I don't think it was for this tournament, for one of the major football tournaments, had the idea of a sort of, I mean, for this summer, it would be race to Mexico City. so you put John with Matt Upson you know Ian you go with Pat I go with Chris Sutton give us a budget I mean to be honest we'd have to set off about four weeks before the World Cup it's a complete non-starter but it would be brilliant fun wouldn't it to be racing as commentary teams here's your budget it's$150 get from Boston Central to the stadium good luck

43:40John Murray:well Alfie great to see you again thanks for joining us and good luck to Tottenham for the remainder of the season yeah we're going to need it I'm afraid yeah Yeah, that's Alfie Watts, co-host of Race Across the World, the Detour, which you can find on BBC Sounds and iPlayer. Now for our great glossary of football commentary as we add commentary terms and phrases to our collection. You can find the entire glossary in the episode description. Division 1 for football exclusive terms, Division 2 for terms used in football commentary, but also used in other sports. Last week we had a load of Division 2 entries, including the Magic Sponge.

44:16John Murray:this week we've got a voice note and one email for you let's start with this from jar in solihull i think this might go into division one because i don't know of any other sport at the moment at least that does games across aggregate scores but i think the phrase half time in the tie when it is the end of leg one is a very appropriate considering how much it is used so i do think this could go into division one but i understand that it might go into Division 2 considering there were other sports that used to do games on aggregate. What do you guys think? Division 2.

44:55Ian Dennis:Do you think Division 2? Which other sports? Yeah. Which other sports? Which other sports would have two leg ties where you would say, but of course it's only half time in the tie.

45:06Ali Bruce-Ball:I'll tell you the equivalent, but it's not the same phrase, is cricket in a test match when both teams are batted once. You're not halfway through the test match, are you? but that's the famous saying about, well, let's see when the other team are batting. But it's not the same thing.

45:21John Murray:It's only half time in the tie. The tie. Did they not do a rugby clash of union against league where they played one version at one team's ground and that would have been a complete one-off? That would have been an aggregate.

45:38Ian Dennis:That's a niche. Yeah, but I'm just saying. Wow. I think Division I for that.

45:43Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, I'm agreeing with John here, I think.

45:46Ian Dennis:All right, okay. And we do, we say that all the time, don't we? Yeah. How about this one from Doug from London? Loving the podcast, lads. I've been listening since the start. It occurs to me I can think of a few terms that need to be added to the glossary. Some Division I, some Division II. I'll let you figure that out. And he says, Doug, I took the liberty of writing them into a short story. Any resemblance to a certain team from N17 is purely coincidental.

46:19Ali Bruce-Ball:So it goes. Picture the scene. A sleeping giant is struggling just above the drop zone. This week, they play the team that's eight points adrift at the bottom of the table. It's a proper relegation six-pointer.

46:34John Murray:Normally, you'd expect them to run up a cricket score. But given their recent troubles, this is a real banana skin. It's 0-0 in second half injury time. It's been a snooze fest so far. But suddenly the minnows awake.

46:50Ian Dennis:Their tricky winger takes the ball on a mazy run, beats the first man with some lollipops, leaving him with twisted blood and heads for goal and hits it.

47:03Ali Bruce-Ball:Bang! A screamer, a worldie, right in top bins. The super club has become a yo-yo club. Down they go. Lollipops. Yeah. That's a Ron Atkinson, isn't it? Lollipops.

47:16Ian Dennis:Yeah, it's Ron Atkinson. Yeah.

47:18Ali Bruce-Ball:Lollipops and eyebrows.

47:20Ian Dennis:Oh.

47:21Ali Bruce-Ball:Lollipops.

47:22Ian Dennis:Eyebrows is Ron Atkinson as well, isn't it?

47:24Ali Bruce-Ball:Would that be a pub or a film? Lollipops and eyebrows.

47:27Ian Dennis:Film, I think, probably. Lollipops and eyebrows. Film more than pub.

47:29Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

47:30Ian Dennis:Would you watch that one, John? I think I probably would. I think that's got black and white. Black and white Hollywood classic written all over it. Lollipops and eyebrows.

47:39Ali Bruce-Ball:That'd be in some art house cinema that John could go in and order some ludicrously expensive flat white.

47:45Ian Dennis:I don't know. I think it's sort of Fred Astaire, isn't it? Lollipops and eyebrows.

47:49Ali Bruce-Ball:Lollipops and eyebrows.

47:50Ian Dennis:I like a Fred Astaire film, actually.

47:53John Murray:The thing is, Doug, is that Sleeping Giant, Relegation Six Pointer and Turning Into a Cricket Score are all currently in our unsorted category. Scream is already in Division 2. World Ian Top Bins previously rejected by John. drop zone commonly used by a reporter as it saves syllables versus the relegation zone banana skin, tricky winger maizey run lollipop, twisted blood yo-yo club, so what's the consensus?

48:22Ian Dennis:So unsorted well sleeping giant is probably division 2 isn't it? Relegation 6 points also have to be division 2 or are there any other sports where you get three points for a win.

48:37Ali Bruce-Ball:Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point.

48:40Ian Dennis:Are there any other points?

48:42Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, we might need some help from the listeners on that one. So we might have to put that into Division I. But do you think that is a phrase that's used when the points are up for grabs between two struggling rivals that even if it isn't strictly six points, you would still call it a six-pointer? Do you know what I mean?

48:57John Murray:Yeah. And before, when it was two points for a win, did they say it was a relegation four-pointer? Not that I remember. No, I don't.

49:06Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, that's very good. Yeah. Turning into a cricket score. Turning into a cricket score.

49:12John Murray:That could be rugby as well, so that's got to be Division 2. Yeah, that's Div 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

49:18Ian Dennis:Screamer's already in Division 2. Two. Worldian Toppins have been rejected rightly.

49:23Ali Bruce-Ball:Rejected, denied. Drop zone. Drop zone. Division 2. Div 2. Banana skin, Div 2. American drop zones, aren't they? American banana skins, John?

49:35Ian Dennis:Yeah, the American Banana Skins. Unintended band name. Tricky winger? No, that could definitely be Rugby Union. Yeah, it could. Rory Underwood was a tricky winger. Maisie Run, similar. Division 2. Lollipop?

49:53Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah.

49:53Ian Dennis:Probably Division 1.

49:54Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah. Probably is. Probably is.

49:57Ian Dennis:Twisted Blood, Division 2.

49:59John Murray:Yo-Yo Club, Division 2.

50:02Ali Bruce-Ball:Yeah, I think so.

50:03John Murray:Yeah. So that's the summary done and dusted. Do we get John Murray's hooray moment now?

50:14John Murray:Hooray! Well, thank you, Ali. Thank you, John. Keep the unintended pub names and glossary suggestions coming in. TCV at bbc.co.uk Or you can send us a message or a voice note on 08000 289 369.

50:28Ian Dennis:before we finish, I haven't told you about the pre-match meal in Madrid. Oh, yes, please. This will tickle you. So where we intended to go, we couldn't go because we were too late. So we went and just ate in the bar in the place where we were staying. And so Gary, our producer, Alex from BBC Sport website, Chris Sutton, oh I'm our engineer they all ordered things like you know a burger and Gary obviously ordered meat and two veg I really fancied some tuna because I love tuna and on the menu on the menu it said tuna belly tuna belly for 10 euros and I thought well that's good value and I said I'm gonna have the I'm gonna have the tuna belly fortunately I ordered some patatas fritas as well because when the tuna belly turned up on a plate it was a it was a can of tuna

51:42Ian Dennis:It was a rectangular can of tuna. Cold tuna in olive oil. And they had artfully peeled off the top three quarters of the way.

51:59Ali Bruce-Ball:Sutton must have fallen about laughing.

52:03Ian Dennis:I had cold tuna and patatas fritas for my premature meal.

52:10Ali Bruce-Ball:Ian, you know, the one thing I love when we, you know, we've recorded many of these podcasts now, I don't know what number this is. Whenever you're in charge of presenting, we are always bang on time. Oh, yeah. We never overrun. And even with that late John story, we've made it. We've done it. You don't brook any argument. Bang. Let's do it. I love it. I love it. Well done.

52:28Ian Dennis:We've had two guests. Yeah. We've packed a lot in there. And actually, the other thing to say, I mean, race across the world there, Ian. Do you remember Hare Chapman suggesting that me and him should do it? This was some while back. Yes. I think he thought that you'd do all the work. Did he? Yeah. No, that wouldn't be unusual when I've travelled with him. I'm like his butler.

52:54John Murray:Anyway, that is it for this episode of the Football Daily. And remember, you can find each and every episode of The Commentator's View by scrolling down your Football Daily feed.

53:07Ian Dennis:I've just been hit by a toilet roll.

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