In short
A Football Daily World Cup 2026 preview covering home nations (England/Scotland), Spain’s prospects, and major off-the-field FIFA issues. It also includes Gianni Infantino’s press-conference claims on Iran’s participation, visas/ticketing, and dynamic pricing.
Guests (backgrounds)
- Steph Horton: former England captain.
- Rachel Corsi: former Scotland captain.
- Chris Sutton: former England/Scotland international and pundit; reporting live from Mexico.
- John Murray: BBC journalist covering FIFA president Gianni Infantino’s press conference.
- Dean Smith: former Aston Villa manager; head coach of Charlotte FC (MLS).
- Stephen Naismith: Scotland assistant manager; in camp in the US.
- César Aspilicueta: former Spain right-back; part of BBC’s tournament team.
Key claims / notable examples
- Infantino says Iran’s World Cup participation was secured despite “impossible” predictions; he cites moving Iran’s base to Mexico and stresses “spirit of football.”
- He addresses Omar Artan, a Somali referee denied US entry after an 11-hour Miami immigration interview, arguing FIFA can’t control governments/police.
- On tickets: starting price $60; Infantino claims dynamic pricing prevents black-market resale and that World Cup revenue funds football across FIFA’s 211 member nations; he cites 6.5 million tickets sold and an average price around $500.
- Scotland: Steph Horton and Stephen Naismith emphasize confidence, preparation in heat (Miami), and the pressure of opening vs Haiti; Dean Smith praises Charlotte facilities and leadership depth (e.g., John McGinn, Scott McTominay).
- Spain: César Aspilicueta flags fitness/rhythm for key player Lamine Yamal and travel/recovery across venues (e.g., Atlanta indoor vs Guadalajara).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMeet the Guests
0:37 to 1:04
Introduction of the hosts and guests discussing World Cup insights.
“Do you have a friend who treats airfare like a puzzle and somehow always ends up with a first-class upgrade?”
Meet the Guests
1:11 to 2:04
Introduction of the hosts and guests discussing World Cup insights.
“With us, former England captain Steph Horton, former Scotland captain Rachel Corsi, and live from Mexico, Chris Sutton.”
Political Context of the World Cup
2:04 to 2:24
Discussing the political uncertainties surrounding the tournament.
“Cesar Aspilicueta, part of our BBC team, will be with us.”
Gianni Infantino's Press Conference Highlights
2:24 to 4:28
Key points from FIFA president Gianni Infantino’s press conference.
“eve of a World Cup interview with the media.”
Challenges Facing the Tournament
4:28 to 9:16
Exploring challenges regarding visas and logistics for participating teams.
“to make sure that everything goes in the right way.”
Ticket Pricing and Accessibility
9:16 to 14:00
Discussion on ticket pricing and its impact on fans attending the matches.
“I don't know who would have managed to do that.”
Affordability of World Cup Tickets
14:00 to 15:10
Discussing the challenges faced by fans in affording tickets for World Cup matches in Mexico.
“And that included some of the guests that you had on on Monday night show after the Monday night club.”
Atmosphere and Attendance Concerns
15:10 to 16:42
Exploring the potential impact of ticket pricing on the atmosphere at World Cup matches.
“And they said, well, no, we can't afford to.”
Scotland's Confidence for the World Cup
16:42 to 18:30
John Murray shares his optimism about Scotland's chances in the World Cup, highlighting squad resources.
“And actually maybe we as a media don't look at the resources and the backroom enough.”
Pressure of the First Game
18:30 to 21:02
Discussing the pressure and anticipation surrounding Scotland's opening match against Haiti.
“I think the first game comes with huge anticipation.”
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Historical Context of Scotland's World Cup Journey
21:02 to 23:02
Reflecting on Scotland's past World Cup experiences and the significance of their upcoming matches.
“John McGinn's just won a Europa League Ian understands that pressure, so to go into that and play for Scotland is an amazing occasion.”
Training and Preparation for the Heat
23:02 to 25:04
Stephen Naismith discusses the squad's adaptation to the warm conditions in preparation for the World Cup.
“who joins us live from the States at the moment.”
Tactical Adjustments for Water Breaks
25:04 to 27:50
Insights into how Scotland plans to utilize water breaks tactically during matches.
“When you talk about other elements that you have to prepare for, I've read quite a few articles, Stephen, about the water breaks and how useful they could be in terms of resetting.”
Enjoying the World Cup Experience
27:50 to 28:00
Stephen Naismith shares thoughts on the importance of enjoying the World Cup experience amidst competition.
“Our game plan going into the games, we think is really good.”
World Cup Team Selection Insights
28:00 to 28:39
Discussion on team selection and the enjoyment of the World Cup experience.
“we've done everything that we can, we've picked the team that we feel we believe can win it, we've made the subs, then in this unbelievable stage that is the World Cup, you have to enjoy it.”
Interview with Dean Smith
29:28 to 32:56
Dean Smith shares experiences related to weather challenges and player focus during delays.
“Rachel Corsi, Steph Horton and Chris Sutton are with us as we look ahead to the World Cup which starts tomorrow.”
Facilities and Player Freedom
32:57 to 36:38
Discussion on training facilities, player freedom, and relaxation during tournaments.
“Because I've literally been involved where the game kicks off like four hours after it's supposed to.”
Scotland Squad Analysis
36:39 to 41:16
Analysis of the Scotland squad, including leadership and player development.
“It's a safe and walkable city and because it's on a hill, they call it uptown rather than downtown.”
Impact of U.S. National Team Success
41:17 to 42:01
Dean Smith discusses the significance of the U.S. national team's success for the league.
“We had Mark Warburton on Monday night, who's Sporting Director at Jacksonville now.”
US Football's Progress and Challenges
42:01 to 43:18
Explore the current state of US football and its growing popularity.
“They went out against Italy but were really good on that day.”
Spain's World Cup Readiness
43:19 to 44:34
Insights on Spain's squad and their preparations for the World Cup.
“It had about 112 red cards in it, didn't it?”
Tournament Challenges for Teams
44:35 to 46:01
Examine the challenges teams face during the World Cup, including travel and conditions.
“The key players, they didn't play, they don't have their rhythm of competition the last couple of weeks.”
Luis de la Fuente's Coaching Style
46:02 to 47:58
Discussion on the coaching style of Spain's manager and his squad's dynamics.
“We had to travel and we didn't go through, but already in three games we felt it's a challenging one.”
Pressure on Players in Major Tournaments
47:59 to 50:08
Understanding the pressure players face in high-stakes competitions like the World Cup.
“Hard to say because we know how difficult it is to win again.”
Thomas Tuchel's Influence and Management
50:09 to 52:58
Explore Thomas Tuchel's management style and his impact on players.
“And we were out in the group stage, which was a big, big disappointment for the country.”
Managerial Comparisons in Football
52:59 to 56:00
A debate on the effectiveness of different managers in international football.
“how many minutes they might get here, how many minutes they might get there, whether they might be a centre-half or a right-back.”
Managerial Styles and National Teams
56:00 to 58:06
Explore the differences in managerial approaches and their impact on national teams.
“I played in, maybe I would say back three on the right side was my, what I played most in my career, but it was not the same back three under Antonio Conte or Frank Lampard or Thomas Tuchel.”
Predicting the World Cup Champions
58:06 to 1:00:00
Discuss predictions for which teams might win the World Cup based on current form.
“We won 7-0 against Costa Rica, the biggest win in the World Cup.”
Analyzing Key Teams and Players
1:00:00 to 1:02:10
A discussion on standout teams and players in the upcoming World Cup.
“It'll be really interesting how they use him, won't it?”
Transcript
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1:08Chris Sutton:Listen on BBC Sounds. Welcome to the World Cup preview show on the Football Daily. With us, former England captain Steph Horton, former Scotland captain Rachel Corsi, and live from Mexico, Chris Sutton. How are you, Chris? OK, yeah, I'm OK, I think. I don't know whether I'm jet-lagged or not. We'll find out in the next hour and a quarter. What did you just send me about cricket? message saying if you score a 50 or five wickets you buy a jug of beer what's happened to cricket it's another private take oh was it you really shouldn't be bringing to air you're talking about club cricket though there aren't you really well it's a similar thing i think that do you not buy a jug it do not do they not do that in the in the professional game i don't think if you get a 50 at lords you go in and buy a jug of beer for everybody oh i mean can't players go out and have a dust-up anymore.
1:56Chris Sutton:What's happened this week? We'll chat about both home nations. We'll chat about the hopes. We'll look at some of the other countries who will hope to go the distance as well. Cesar Aspilicueta, part of our BBC team, will be with us. All sorts of off-the-field stuff going on as well, with political uncertainty still hanging over this tournament. John Murray with us. John has been across Gianni Infantino's press conference this evening, the FIFA president giving his usual eve of a World Cup interview with the media. He highlighted three common topics at the start of this press conference and topics that have surrounded the build-up to the tournament.
2:39Chris Sutton:So Iran, tickets and visas. This is what he had to say about Iran. On Iran, I'm very happy because I want to see myself, the Iranian team in Turkey, in Antalya, in March of this year and when people were saying it would be impossible for Iran to come to the World Cup, I told them and I promised them that they would come and if I had to go with a bus to Tehran and drive them here, I would do that. Their answer was we will take the bus ourselves and drive it if need be. We qualified and we want to play and this is the spirit of football. Of course there are challenges. Of course it's not easy. I don't know who else would have been able to ensure that in these circumstances, which we cannot influence, obviously, in these circumstances Iran could come and play.
3:43And when Iran plays the stadium will be full and I hope there will be a positive atmosphere because this is football. This is about people forgetting for a moment their realities and being able to focus on a match and on a team. So I'm very happy that we managed to get Iran to come and play in this World Cup and I'm proud of the work of my team and grateful to the administrations of the three host countries for having cooperated with us to make this happen and there are some issues that we are still dealing with, of course, to make sure that everything goes in the right way.
4:36Chris Sutton:Well, you were watching this press conference, John, I mean, what on earth is he on about? Well, I mean, he is here in Mexico City. He's actually speaking, has been speaking over at the Azteca at the stadium. And he spoke for about an hour and 10 minutes, I think it was. And that was really it on Iran. So, you know, to watch it all, I've seen him in action before. You know, he is very adept. He is a former lawyer and he does have all the answers. and he is underlining there the positivity, as he would put it, of the fact that Iran are actually playing at this World Cup. But the other points were put to him by the journalists who were in the room with him about the fact that they've had to then move and base themselves here in Mexico, so that means they're going to be travelling.
5:24They have to travel there and back on the day of the game and they've got trips from here in Mexico to LA, two trips to LA and one to Seattle. Also, the issue of the visas for the Iranian squad and all of the staff as well. But that was the extent of his answer on Iran. So that's it. That's what you've got.
5:45Chris Sutton:Right. Then we moved on or the press conference moved on to the Somali referee Omar Artan, who has been denied entry into the US. He had that 11 hour immigration interview at Miami International Airport. So here's Infantino on that. Of course it is unfortunate as well what happened to the referee from Somalia. But again we don't control everything. We try, we'll discuss, we'll speak, we'll see. Maybe sometimes it's good as well to just, you know, chill, relax. We work on everything. We try to solve everything. sometimes to immediately start screaming and shouting has the opposite effect of finding a solution.
6:33Believe me when I tell you or don't believe me if you don't want, but we try always to find solutions. Always. But then we need to respect that we are not the kings of the world who can rule over governments and police forces and I don't know what. We are a sports organization, we try to do our best with the means that we have. You say people should chill and relax about these situations,
7:00Chris Sutton:but you've got one of the world's top referees, totally can't enter the United States, send back home, accused of having links with suspected terror organizations. We have Iran having to change their training base here to Mexico. We have fans and journalists from a number of countries who aren't able to attend this World Cup because of travel bans or visa restrictions. You yourself have said in the past how important it is to have freedom of movement at a global event like this. You've said how inclusive it is, how welcoming it is as well. Are you embarrassed, therefore, by what actually has come to pass?
7:34And do you have to accept that you've lost some control of your own tournament here? You know, in 2035, I think, we hope, the Women's World Cup will be in the UK, right? Still needs to be a decision but looks like. Would you find it normal that FIFA would dictate to the British government who to let in the country and who not to let in the country? I don't know. Maybe, maybe you find it normal. I would like personally on the other side, the reality of the matter is that that in every country there are governments, try to get into the UK, into Germany, into Switzerland without a visa, try to get a visa if you are for a certain kind.
8:23It's not easy, that's what I want to say. It's not easy when you have 300 ,000 accredited people, majority of which from outside of the US to process them, to vet them. You don't know, unfortunately, our world is It's a very aggressive world and security goes above everything and you need to respect the decisions which are taken. And when I say to chill, I don't mean to chill and do nothing. I mean to trust us that we are working behind the scenes, we are trying to understand and there are things we can know, things we cannot know, things we are told, things we are not told. and we always try to make the situation as positive as possible and to find solutions.
9:11Sometimes we manage, other times not. I think it has already been successful to bring Iran to play in America. I don't know who would have managed to do that. And of course everyone here believes it's the right thing to do. but you know again we don't live on the moon we live on planet earth and you have to deal with different situations we try to do our best and I hope we'll have some good news John? I'm not sure what he was referring to there when he said maybe we have good news I don't know if that does refer to the referee from Somalia whether there might be some about turn I don't know, it just wasn't clear enough but you know It was Dan Rowan who was asking the question there, our colleague.
10:02And I think it is a fair point to say that he had hung his hat, Gianni Infantino, on this being a very inclusive World Cup. And we are in the situation where we are. But as he said at the outset, before he started taking questions today, he said, again, repeating his claim that this is the biggest event in the history of mankind. He said, you can't organize it in an absolutely perfect way. we are confronted with challenges we would rather not be. Sometimes we can solve them, sometimes we can't. So that's that.
10:34Chris Sutton:OK, so he's done Iran and he's done visas. Now we're on to ticket pricing. Let me say one thing as well at the outset. Let me congratulate Mayor Mamdani from New York. I have to congratulate him because he put on sale 1 ,000 tickets at$50 a couple of months ago. And since then he gets fantastic news. We put on sale 130 ,000 tickets at$60 and we don't get great news. Probably has better communication people than us or probably he's better than me. I don't know. But I want to congratulate him, of course, for that and for that initiative as well. And to reiterate that the starting price is at$60.
11:15The market is here, what it is, that if you sell it at a lower price point, and again, this has been part of intense and extensive analysis, in this particular market, it would have gone, which is perfectly legal in this country, in secondary markets at much, much, much higher prices. And where would the money go then? Well, to those who organize secondary market or black market activities and not to football. So every dollar that comes in goes back into the development of football. We have one competition every four years that generates revenues. The 47 other months out of the 48 of four years, we are investing this revenue in the growth of the game.
12:03Nobody else is doing that. Nobody. Nobody. This allows us to maintain as well free TV. I said we could put everything on pay. We would generate 30 billion revenues, probably. But then you have billions of people in the world who would not be able to watch the World Cup. So the soul and the heart is the fans in the stadiums. It's the fans in the fan zones, it's the fans at home, it's every football fan. We want to bring the World Cup to every football fan. And this is what this price structure is, this is what dynamic pricing is as well. We had the Club World Cup last year, the prices of some matches went up, others went down in this situation.
12:42They could have gone down as well, they didn't really go down. This shows that maybe the price point was the right one. As FIFA president, I have the statutory responsibility to generate the income which allows FIFA to invest in all of these countries where otherwise nobody would invest.
13:05Chris Sutton:I mean, again, John, I have no idea where to begin with that. So dynamic ticket pricing means that the World Cup isn't behind a paywall and it allows and it makes it makes sure tickets don't end up on the black market. And he's comparing it as well to ticket prices for other sporting events and indeed other entertainment events in America. And his point, he is saying there that the prices he referred to, the lowest entry price is$60 for tickets. The average price for tickets for this World Cup is$500. And we know it is a very small proportion of the tickets that are available for$60. But also, isn't it a problem that the$60 may have only gone on sale after people had spent more on tickets?
13:51There is that. But, you know, it's a strong argument. I've heard it before from him. You know, he underlines the fact that all, you know, he says every dollar we generate goes back into football and is distributed around the, I think it's 211 member nations of FIFA. but what we don't know yet is and what what was rather frustrating listening to it is that really he never addressed the issue of you know the if you like the common man and woman in the street not being able to afford to get into these matches and we we are really seeing it here in mexico city the people we talk to here you know clearly um are not on the bread line but they're saying we cannot afford tickets to to get into the stadiums in mexico you know so as we've experienced before i'm sure you'll have been to mexico matches and seen the mexico fans on the march in countries far-flung countries you know in russia they were there in huge numbers and getting into matches to watch mexico all around the world they can't afford to buy tickets to watch Mexico in their own country.
15:03Chris Sutton:And that included some of the guests that you had on on Monday night show after the Monday night club. And you or Steve asked those guests, you know, are you going to the opening game? And they said, well, no, we can't afford to. Yeah. And what we don't know yet, so we've heard Gianni Infantino make the point that he has. What we don't know is how will this pricing affect the experience of being inside a World Cup stadium watching a World Cup match? because it has to be that what would normally have been like the Champions League final a couple of weeks ago, where you've got two stands full of supporters of the two teams, even though I know people will feel there should be more tickets for supporters for those matches, which is very valid.
15:45For these World Cup matches, are we going to see an atmosphere that is totally unlike what we've experienced and the passion and the fervour that you get from World Cup matches that we've been to in the past.
16:01Chris Sutton:Well, are we going to see half-empty stadium? Well, that's another point, yeah. And, you know, he is saying that there are, let's see, six and a half million tickets have been sold so far for the stadiums. I'm not sure any of the USA venues have a capacity under 55 ,000 maybe? No, that's right. He says this World Cup will be watched by six billion people around the world, but they do not want you know stadiums that will and the thing is that if they are full that will in some way justify the pricing won't it John Murray with us let's talk Scotland next how confident are you? Oh I'm feeling confident just now I think that is aren't we all I feel if you're not confident a couple of days ahead of it then we've no chance but yeah I'm feeling good I feel good I think the squad's great I think we've got great staff there.
16:57I saw a photo the other day, Scottish National Team posted and you see the staff and the players and I just think we've got some serious resources there and a lot of good people and I'm really excited to see us get going.
17:09Chris Sutton:And actually maybe we as a media don't look at the resources and the backroom enough. We just tend to focus on players and squad but you're actually looking at those personnel that have been put in place there. Yeah and there's loads of the backroom staff as well that I know personally and I think you know we're quite a small nation and we know we've not been at this tournament in the men's game for a very very long time and I think we have this thing about us culturally that we stick together you know in whatever sport we're playing we always have that great support of one another and I think just knowing so much of the environment you know the time you spend on the pitch is not that much especially as you get closer to the game you know even your training times get condensed and condensed and it's much more about the whole environment the whole experience that you spend more time preparing on the other small things, what you're eating, just, you know, getting an escape from the hotel, getting to do little fun tasks, whether it's with your own media or external media, or some people don't love the media, some people rather do, you know, the little games rooms and things like that.
18:10It's the whole experience that affects what you then do on the pitch. And when I just see the pictures, I can just tell that we have this collective energy about us. And I think that the first game being Haiti, being the team that's the lowest ranked in our group, comes with enormous pressure. A lot of people are looking at that and going, that's the game we're going to win, that's the game we have to win, we have to win it. I think the first game comes with huge anticipation. You know, that feeling in November when we qualified, I was at Hamden, it was honestly unbelievable. One of the best games I've ever been in the stands at.
18:41Just the feeling was remarkable. Then you wait from November to get to this first game against Haiti. The anticipation and relief and all those feelings will be a lot. That's really hard to contain.
18:52Chris Sutton:We were discussing this the other night, about whether, weren't we, Chris? About whether... I heard this. About whether the order is a good order to be playing Haiti first. I think it's hard. I think it's really hard. You're doing that reverse psychology, aren't you? I can't remember what you said. What did you say, Chris? Well, it's OK if you win, isn't it? It doesn't matter what the order is. I mean, you know, the players would have enjoyed the build-up. The staff would have enjoyed all the build-up. Of course they would, but now they can't wait to get on with it. And the pressure's all on the first game because we know what will happen.
19:28Chris Sutton:If Scotland don't win, then everybody will write them off and everybody's expecting Scotland to win. But, you know, Haiti are there by rights and said the other night, you know, they've got some capable players. It's not, I'm not saying everybody is thinking it's going to be easy, but that's, you know, that then puts pressure on the Scotland players to perform. and they've had a couple of good warm-up games, scored plenty of goals. So there is a feel-good factor. But Steve Clarke knows that this is the be-all and end-all and people can talk about Morocco and Brazil, but it's about getting the job done.
20:03Chris Sutton:And then if they do that, then brilliant, then focus on the next one. But Haiti is the be-all and end-all for Scotland. I think with it being Haiti, but also the fact it's the first World Cup game for Scotland in a long time, I think that adds a different dimension to this game, regardless of whether it's Haiti, Morocco or Brazil. I think, of course, you know the feeling when you go to World Cup, there's no other feeling like that first game in a group stage when you get there, because it is that anticipation of when you've qualified, what is it going to be like? And all these players have never experienced that before.
20:38They're going into this blinding away in terms of, OK, like what is the pressure going to be like? It's a different environment, but also that little bit of added pressure that they are expected to win. but that's okay to have that expectation because of the performance that they had against Denmark to qualify which nobody really expected to go as well as what it did. I think everybody thought that Scotland would go through but not in terms of the performance because the performance was excellent at Hampden Park but I think for me, a World Cup is just another step above the Euros but I actually genuinely believe that it's an important game but I think when you've got the likes of John McGinn, Mac Tominey you've got players that...
21:17John McGinn's just won a Europa League Ian understands that pressure, so to go into that and play for Scotland is an amazing occasion.
21:24Chris Sutton:I suppose, and the point the other night as well was, because in the last Euros, it was such an opening game to take the wind out of Scotland's sails. The house nation and a thumping defeat and a red card and everything that possibly could have gone wrong did go wrong that night. and it, understandably, it sort of wiped, it looked like it wiped belief, confidence from fans as well, actually, after that. Yeah, which I found interesting because I was actually at that game and I just still thought it was amazing we were there. I thought it was amazing to play the host nation. Yes, it was a difficult result, but in my head, I was sort of thinking, well, we've two more games and probably the Germany game was the game, but unlike this tournament, we weren't hedging our bets on that one.
22:10We weren't going into it being like, well, we've got to beat Germany if we've got any hope. But then in fairness to that, and I think some of the players have spoken about that since, they said, yeah, that was tough. So then that's the real reflection of how they felt in that moment. So from that perspective, I think it is brilliant that we've potentially not got what would be perceived as the hardest game, which would be Brazil out of the teams we have. Although Morocco, obviously another team that are ranked very high as well when you go off the ranking. So I think in some ways, yes, it's a good opportunity.
22:45My worry about it is the fact that everyone's like, well, you have to win it. It's almost made to feel like an all or nothing, which reality is, do you know what, if we don't win it, well, we've got two tough games, but we're still going to play them. We're still in the competition and we'll only be out of the competition when we're out. And let's not put ourselves out before we need to be.
23:01Chris Sutton:Let's talk to Stephen Naismith, Scotland's assistant manager, who joins us live from the States at the moment. Evening, Stephen, how are you? Evening, yeah, very good, very warm, enjoying the sun. How have the squad found the conditions then? Because obviously it's a big talking point and England's World Cup warm-up match tonight is being delayed because of the weather. So how have you found the conditions? Yeah, it was a big factor in the prep and how our schedule looked from the moment we met up. We obviously had our send-off game and then from that moment on, it was about how quickly we can get into the heat and go somewhere that the heat is definitely going to be guaranteed.
23:47So we headed to Miami. The first few days were really tough, but we've done a lot of work and had a lot of markers on the players over the course of the... since they came into camp about how their recovery is in the heat, how much weight loss or water loss or whatever there may be so there's a lot of that kind of thing going on but i think now we're better equipped we understand how to use the rest periods as well as we can how to refuel well enough and then the other side of that weather is the the storms and and the delays that might happen but that's going to be a challenge for
24:27Chris Sutton:everybody involved in the tournament you know mark stephen stephen's done a lot of preparation I mean, we do a podcast together and Stephen often wasn't on the podcast this year because he was out in America preparing. And I'm glad to report, Sutty. Even taking his family out, I think, at times for holidays. All that research has went to good use because the compliments we've had for the training bases and the hotels and the facilities has been very well received. I'm also thinking I'd quite like to be part of the Scotland backroom stuff if it got me out of doing a lot of shows with Chris, to be honest with you.
25:08Chris Sutton:But there we are. When you talk about other elements that you have to prepare for, I've read quite a few articles, Stephen, about the water breaks and how useful they could be in terms of resetting. We've seen the picture of Maurizio Pochettino with the laptop out to go through tactics during one of their warm-up matches. Have you had quite detailed discussions about what you're going to do with those water breaks? Yeah, we've definitely discussed it. It's valuable time. And as much as getting detail on for tactical reasons, it's about how well the players can recover. Also, I think it'll be quite strict with the time that these breaks happen.
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25:50So players on the far side of the pitch getting over to the touchline. as I said before the refueling the actual breathing techniques to try and calm your heart rate down and then the impact it's actually going to have on the game because with such a delay in the game it's going to take a wee bit of time everybody will reset and then it will take a wee bit of time to get back into your rhythm again so we've spoke about it we've kind of put plans in place that we think is going to work for us but realistically you're not going to really get a true feel of it until the competitive games start
26:22Chris Sutton:and obviously you've heard a bit of the discussion we were having about the order of your group games. Do you think it does make a difference, the order? I think for any team in the tournament, you want to try and get off to as good a start as you can. That is... Everybody will be thinking the same thing. I think with us having our first game against Haiti, and the managers touched on this as well, in terms of because Haiti are out of sight, out of mind, people probably don't give them the respect they deserve, and they're a very dangerous team. But we're going into it. Really confident. Our prep so far has been excellent.
26:57We've had tough games and games that are probably true to what we're going to come up against. So we definitely do sit here feeling confident that we can start the tournament well.
27:06Chris Sutton:And then Steve Clarke, there's a quote I've got here from Steve Clarke saying, I've not really enjoyed the previous two tournaments. So this time it's a different Steve Clarke. So it's a two-prong question, Steve, I suppose. Is it a different Steve Clarke? And is there a feeling that, obviously, I know you're there to win and go as far as you can. But is there a sense of, well, we've had some Euros, so actually we are going to enjoy this? The manager's definitely more comfortable and probably is enjoying it a bit more. I think the manager's intense and it's about winning for him and he holds that internally on himself quite a lot.
27:45But as we've spoke about the whole time, we've done really good research, we've done really good preparation. Our game plan going into the games, we think is really good. Football's football. You'll win, you'll lose. But as long as we can say, we've done everything that we can, we've picked the team that we feel we believe can win it, we've made the subs, then in this unbelievable stage that is the World Cup, you have to enjoy it. You have to. And maybe that's after a game, maybe it's the early start of this week, but you've definitely got to take it all in.
28:20Chris Sutton:and will you plan to catch up with Chris during this during the tournament erm we'll wait and see I know he's a busy busy man out there what a what a beautifully diplomatic answer on which to finish Stephen thank you very much for giving us your time this evening appreciate it thank you five lights for hello I'm Alistair Bruce Ball and I'll be commentating on the World Cup for the BBC this summer It's a commentator favorite World Cup moment. France 4, Argentina 3 in Russia 2018. Amazing goal from Benjamin Pavard in that game on the half volley. Pavard with the right one. Unbelievable! Unbelievable goal!
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29:30Chris Sutton:Rachel Corsi, Steph Horton and Chris Sutton are with us as we look ahead to the World Cup which starts tomorrow. Mexico against South Africa. You can hear with us live from inside the stadium tomorrow night. Let's talk to Dean Smith next. Former Aston Villa manager, a current Charlotte FC head coach because that is where Scotland are. We just heard from Stephen Naismith a little bit earlier on. Evening, Dean. How are you? Evening, Chappers. I'm good. Thank you. Yourself? Very well, thank you. How much over the course of your season would you get weather challenges? I was just thinking about it, to be honest, and two and a half years I've been there now and I think I've had three games that have paused because of the weather.
30:13Chris Sutton:There's been a couple of delays. The first one I had, I remember it was at Red Bull and it was like an hour and 20 minutes delay. And I think we had 22 ,000 in the ground and then we kicked off for the second half. There was about 4 ,000 left. Yeah, so it can be a common thing, but not as common as you would be made to think, I suppose. What do you, I mean, what protocols do you put in place for a delay? And what do you, and kind of, I'm sort of thinking, you know, Do you allow your players to go on their phones, for example, during the rain delay? To be honest, when it first happened against Red Bull, yeah, I did.
30:53Chris Sutton:It was an hour and 20 minutes. And you get a time to go and re-warm up before the game starts again. So, you know, a half an hour before it starts again, right? Phones away, start getting focused in and get ready for the game. Because I was talking to the FA about this, Steph, just when we were talking about England's preparations when I was with them for something. And the phones thing, I think, is kind of quite a big thing because, I don't know, say you're an hour into a game and then you have this weather delay. Do you really want your players looking at what people may be saying about them on social media?
31:29It's so hard because I think those that are a little bit old school wouldn't want to be on the phone because you want to try and stay focused. But the generation now, everything is on the phone. So it's like, how do you get the players to be able to relax in their moments that they can? But then like what Dean said, as soon as that 30 minutes when you're going to go and warm up, it's like, how do you refocus? So I think I would be very much against having the phones because now social media, you could actually check on what your performance is like. People will probably look at what they've done and what people are saying.
32:00And you don't really want that interference, but I think you just can't stop it. So I think the more you try and stop someone doing it, the more probably likely they want to try and do it. I think you've just conceded that that makes you officially old school. I was very old school. I think that's when I knew that my time was up, that when it was really annoying, is that people were checking the phones at half time. I used to just turn mine off. But yeah, for sure, I'll put myself in that bracket. I think what's interesting, because I did play in the States for a long time, I actually think they had a slightly different sort of culture to that.
32:29It wasn't such a... I found there they were a lot more relaxed over sort of phone use in the changing rooms. We had some girls that when we would get a delay, the way they would pass the time is they would do dance routines and things. And I initially...
32:43Chris Sutton:I imagine Ian Dennis and Stephen Walker could do something similar. I hope so. I've tried to prompt them. So we'll await the footage. But I think you've got to understand that these things can go on for a while. So you kind of need to have almost a switch off, kind of take your mind elsewhere. Because I've literally been involved where the game kicks off like four hours after it's supposed to. So you can't stay dialed into game mode for those four hours. You'd be absolutely exhausted before we even kicked a ball. So I think it's a good thing to do to say, do you know what? Let's do what you need, individually do what you need.
33:16Once we get the sort of firm time of we're going out to warm up in 20 minutes, 30 minutes, then it's a case of, right, let's go back to the standards we've set. And I imagine that that is going to be a team by team scenario, what they're allowed to do if there is delays.
33:31Chris Sutton:The Scotland camp, Dina, seem to be very happy with both the facility and being in Charlotte. So sell Charlotte to us. It's quite easy, actually. It's a great city to be in. Quite a diverse city. I think it's a big financial district now. A lot of the big banks are leaving New York and going to Charlotte as well. But yeah, the weather's fantastic. The golf courses are fantastic. But one of the biggest reasons I actually went there was the facilities at the training ground. And that's where you spend the most of your time. You know, we've got two main pitches that Scotland are using at the moment.
34:05Chris Sutton:We've got three further grass pitches up the hill. And, you know, everything there that Scotland need is catered for. So, Clarkie came in March. I think the only thing he was worried about was in March the grass was yellow. And those who have been in America will know that the Bermuda grass lies dormant until the end of April when the sun gets at it and then it goes green again. did the facilities surprise you when you went out there then yeah they did a little bit um i wasn't sure what to see in terms of mls facilities i'd i'd been over to minnesota with aston villa before and trained at their training facilities before but charlotte's were a step up from that a lot of the the college university um facilities are unbelievable um wherever you go college college life is massive in the States.
34:55Chris Sutton:And, you know, so my son was at NC State and I saw the facilities that they had. So I knew a new club coming into the MLS was going to have good facilities. When you were in camp, what did you want from facilities? I think it was a bit different for us because we were probably allowed that little bit of freedom to go out into towns, go to coffee shops, because in terms of that public view, when we were, say, in France in 2019, you probably weren't under the spotlight as much. I can imagine it's changed a lot now, but I think... Although, to be fair, Steve Clarke has said, it is close to the city centre and that will help the players relax and have things to do.
35:32Chris Sutton:I felt our camp for Euro 2024 was a bit isolated. I think it is important that there's an option there for players. I think the more options that you do have, I think it gives the players the sense of that you're away for a long time in a tournament. It can be the same, it can be the same day, it can be the same routine. So I think having that option to even maybe meet your family for an hour at a coffee shop, it just gives you that little bit of kind of normality what you would normally do at home. But I think in general, we were very lucky chappers in terms of we always had one of the best hotels.
36:03We had a lot of space, which is probably really important in terms of just getting out of your room and being able to mix and socialise. And I think for me, it was always about them social areas just to be able to meet up and chat and maybe talk about not talk about football for a bit. and just to have, there's always a games room, there was always a room to watch Love Island for those that wanted to because the summer tournaments were always over that. So I think that variety, but also them options really made it help as a player.
36:32Chris Sutton:They would be able to go into Charlotte and have a coffee, Dean, and not get too, as much as 30 men all dressed identically are going to get bothered. It's a safe and walkable city and because it's on a hill, they call it uptown rather than downtown. But yeah, I've already been texting John McGinn and he was amazed at the facilities and I've told him to keep off the scooters around town because they can be a bit dangerous. But yeah, it's interesting because I've worked with quite a few of the Scottish boys and they've all been texting me and telling me how good the facilities are. And we had some games in the Club World Cup.
37:12Chris Sutton:Bayern Munich had stopped in town. Real Madrid had stopped in town. So a lot of clubs and countries before that, and Concert Cafe as well, have also played in Charlotte and stopped in Charlotte. You mentioned John McGinn. How proud of you of where he is at? Oh, unbelievably well. You know, I saw him do an interview the other day and he mentioned all the managers that he'd had at Aston Villa since he's been there and how each one of them had helped him. Steve Bruce signed him and helped him become, you know, an Aston Villa player. I helped him become a Premier League player. Steven Gerrard helped him become a leader.
37:49Chris Sutton:And now Unai's took his game on to the next level. And, you know, just the way he talks about the game, you know, when I remember he was never the best trainer, he never used to enjoy training, but you always knew what he was going to get on a match day. And I think because he's got quite a unique running style, I think his qualities can sometimes get overlooked. Chris, when you actually look at the Scotland squad, and it's following on from again. You know, we always go into tournaments, we talk about the leadership that squads have and have they got enough leaders. Scotland have got a lot of leaders.
38:25Chris Sutton:Yeah, I think they have. And just, you know, just going back to, you know, what Dean was saying about John and his development when he was at Hibs, you know, he was a good player, but it was all about him getting to the next level. And I think, you know, there was a lot of interest from Celtic. Celtic fans still talk about the fact that they didn't get that deal over the line. And he went to Aston Villa and his game has developed. And Dean has mentioned, you know, the managers who have helped improve him and his gait and, you know, the way that he gets his big backside in. He's, you know, he's a tremendous footballer and he's a really intelligent guy.
39:02Chris Sutton:And, you know, you're talking about leadership. Yeah, I think there are leaders. McTominay's taken his game to another level by, you know, going abroad to Italy to play. A lot of Manchester United fans think, well, why did we end up letting him go? But he was brave to do that. Even the likes of people like Ryan Christie, you've got Shanklin now. Shanklin's mature in years, but he will bring great leadership to the group. So I think Scotland are in a pretty good place going into the World Cup. there'll be concerns over maybe the goalkeeping position or who are the two main centre-halves going to be.
39:44Chris Sutton:But all in all, I think that Steve Clarke and his team can feel quite good about themselves and go in with good spirits. They do have a good mix, don't they? I think we've got a great mix. I almost think actually we're at a place where it's hard to actually put your best team down on paper. I think we've got great depth and I think what Steve Clarke has built by being consistent with a lot of the players he's picked, which over the course of his tenure, people have been critical at times of it, sticking with the same group. But now we're at something like the World Cup. We've got significant players that can be leaders.
40:18We've got players that can play within shapes that allow us to play different formations, have slightly more, a bit more tactical now-sing games. We can be more attacking. We can have the ability to counter-attack well. We've got somebody like Ganondoke who can give us that electric pace. I think that's something that at the Euros, I remember we were speaking about, We just didn't have someone that maybe you could bring on that could just stretch the game that little bit. Now we do have that. And we've got a couple of younger players now in as well in the squad, which I think in terms of just the mentality, the environment, I think that's great too.
40:49Chris Sutton:I forgot to mention, Mark, Andy Robertson and people like Kenny McLean. Kenny will probably come off the bench and play his little cameos. But he's a brilliant player to have in and around the group. You've got that quality. But Andy Robertson, I forgot about him actually. How could I forget him? in terms of leadership. So Scotland are on a good play. Who does Kenny McLean play for? Norwich City. Yeah, I thought you might have got that in there. Before we let you go, Dean, let me just turn it around to the American perspective. We had Mark Warburton on Monday night, who's Sporting Director at Jacksonville now.
41:24Chris Sutton:And I'll ask you the same question I asked him, which is what would a successful World Cup for the American national team mean for you at club level? I realise Jacksonville are the level below Charlotte in the MLS. But what would it mean? I think if the national team are successful, it can be transitional for the whole game in the country. It's one of the most patriotic nations I've ever known. There's American flags all over the place and they just want to get behind their own. So I remember in 94 and they played well. They went out against Italy but were really good on that day. And I think that gave everybody a lift in the whole country because of how they'd fared.
42:08Chris Sutton:I think now they're, I mean, the MLS is 30 years old now. They feel that they've come on. I said before, I think the US have got it right in their appointments. We've Mauricio Pochettino and Emma Hayes. I think they've both been excellent so far. But they've got something, certainly Mauricio's got something to prove now for the whole nation. And is everybody ready for it or are they still just interested in the NBA finals at the moment and then they'll come to it after that? Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing with football in the US. College sport is probably bigger than any professional sport.
42:45Chris Sutton:But I think because of the distance between all the cities, you only feel it within that city. I know that Charlotte's speaking to people. I'm actually in Birmingham at the moment. I don't fly back till Wednesday. I know Charlotte is feeling it at the moment, even though they're not hosting, you know, but yeah, it'll quickly start getting the buzz around the place. Lovely to see you, Dean. Thank you. See you soon. Good to speak to you all. Good to talk to you, Dee Smith, with us on Five Live Sport, current head coach of Charlotte FC. Well, you mentioned Emma Hayes there. Did you see that, the Brazil-USA game?
43:20Chris Sutton:It had about 112 red cards in it, didn't it? Did Brazil have eight red cards or something? Yeah, including staff, yeah. Fort Yang. Yes, Clueda Backers. A few elbows here and there. Yeah, let's not go into that. Some of the footage was questionable. He's allowed me to move on. Yeah. All right. We'll move on and talk about some of the other nations. We're going to talk about the European champions next. Spain, who are in the same group as Cap Verde and Saudi Arabia and Uruguay. and the former Spain right-back César Aspilacueta is part of our team for the whole of the tournament and joins us now.
44:01Chris Sutton:Welcome to the team, César. How are you? Hi, good evening. Good, and you? Yeah, very well. Very well, thank you. What are the concerns for Spain going into this? Are there any? Is it simply the fitness of Lamin-Yamal and that's it? Well, to be fair, they come as European champions, so confidence must be high in the camp. World Cup is different, especially this one. More teams, more games, three different countries to play. So it will be different. But yeah, regarding fitness, might be the one to be aware of. The key players, they didn't play, they don't have their rhythm of competition the last couple of weeks.
44:43But to be honest, they have a very strong squad.
44:46Chris Sutton:And given how long this tournament is, they can manage the fitness of Lamin Yomal early on, can't they? Yes, and they will. I guess in a tournament like this, a long one, they will start slowly, progressively, in terms of minutes. Because Lamin is a key player for the national team and they need him in the best shape possible to have more chances of winning the World Cup. What do you think the biggest challenges are for a player, given how big this tournament is. Will it be travel? Will it be the fact that different games are going to be taking place in very different conditions? I mean, Spain have two games in Atlanta, which is an indoor stadium, isn't it?
45:34Chris Sutton:In the Mercedes-Benz stadium there. I don't know if they have the roof open or not. But the Uruguay game is in Guadalajara. Whether it's indoor or outdoor, Guadalajara is very different to Atlanta. Yeah, we had a little taste of how it would look, the World Cup of national teams, when we were last summer with Atletico Madrid playing the Club World Cup. And we played two games in Los Angeles. We played one in Seattle and the weather was very different. We had to travel and we didn't go through, but already in three games we felt it's a challenging one. Yeah, definitely. And travelling, recovery time, more games, more teams.
46:19It's going to be a tricky one, yeah, for sure.
46:23Chris Sutton:What is Luis de la Fuente like? I mean, you have been in a Luis de la Fuente squad. So what kind of manager is he or coach is he for players? Well, I've been only once with him. but what I can see from the outside is someone who in terms of he was playing for the whole ranks of the JAL teams in Spain, he was very successful then when he got the senior squad he won the European Champions the Nations League once, they lost another final on penalties so he's delivering results for Spain and It's a manager who keeps more or less the system very balanced, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 in terms of players. He trusts his players and the way they play and they will keep doing the same system with the same players and also have maybe more variability in terms of the striker, but otherwise they have very similar profiles in every position.
47:33Chris Sutton:Were you surprised when he got the job, given his pathway? No, because in Spain, it's quite usual to have the coaches that they come to the Jav teams to move up. When you see his success in the Jav teams, I was not surprised of the decision. Do you think, I mean, Spain won the Euros. Do you think this squad is better placed going into the World Cup than before they went into the Euros? Hard to say because we know how difficult it is to win again. I think only Spain did it in 2008 and 2012 with the Euros and they had the World Cup win in 2010 in between. So that was very, very hard to replicate.
48:22But if I see a team that can be able to replicate, it will be this Spanish national team. Also, the squad is bigger. Now they have 26 players. So to manage all this will be also a challenge. My biggest concern is the fitness of key players. If they start getting competition, they keep training with the team and they get the fitness up through the tournament. I see the team stronger towards the last stages of the World Cup.
48:59Chris Sutton:Is the expectation at home that they will win? I don't know if to win, but yes, to compete for it. Yes, definitely. Yeah. I suppose, given recent, the last 15, 20 years, the expectation is they always have to compete now. Every time I've been there, yeah, the expectation was always to win. When you come behind this crazy squad, they won the three trophies, they don't have any expectation rather than win every tournament. So, yeah, this summer is not any different. How much pressure did you feel then with that when you're following in those footsteps? Massive pressure because when you see the players, my first World Cup was in Brazil.
49:48And when they were coming from winning the two last Euros, the World Cup in South Africa, we just lost the Confederations Cup against Brazil in 2013. It was massive pressure. And our first game didn't... It started very well. We were 1-0 up against Netherlands. And we lost 5-1. And since then, we just... We couldn't get back on track. And we were out in the group stage, which was a big, big disappointment for the country.
50:20Chris Sutton:But it started well by going 1-0 up. Really well. I was on the pitch. I was enjoying. It was my first game at the World Cup. 1-0 up. everything was fine. I said, well, that's looking promising and then everything collapsed. That's a good one. Let me ask you about one of your other experiences, which is working with Thomas Tuchel. And I'm sure over the course of you working with us over the next few weeks, we'll talk a lot about Thomas Tuchel and his approach. What impressed you about working under him? There's a couple of things. To be fair, in terms of football, he arrived, if I don't remember, but it was like the day before of a game that we were playing Wolves at home and he made it very clear through the first session on the pitch in Cobham the way he wanted us to play and in the team meetings we had, especially the first ones we had, he made it very clear and the team understood very well what he wanted, so that was the first impression and since then I think we started building the way he He wanted to play at halftime, the changes he could make.
51:30So the team grew in four months. Incredible. I think it was hard to predict when the first meeting we had and the way he explained us how he wanted to play. And then as a person, it was someone very close to the players. It was also after COVID time. So the building was half empty and we enjoyed a lot of time together. was his captain and we shared a lot of thoughts and he was very close to myself and to the group of senior players. So we built a very strong relationship.
52:08Chris Sutton:He seems, in the couple of times that I've interviewed him or spoken to him, he's very honest and very open. Did you find that as a player for him? Yes, yes. My connection was straightforward with him, to be fair. I felt the confidence, I felt the power and I had some of my best games under him and I really enjoyed the style of play and I felt as someone on the pitch and also off the pitch that it was helping a lot the team to get the results that we wanted. You would expect, we were just talking then about players and different roles and where they might fit in and you would expect every player already probably knows what's expected of them, certainly through this group stage, where they might play, where they might feature, how many minutes they might get here, how many minutes they might get there, whether they might be a centre-half or a right-back.
53:06Chris Sutton:And I know that sounds obvious in some ways, but from what I hear, some managers don't give you that clarity. You would expect that squad to have that clarity, wouldn't you? It's very hard. Every player we want to play, and I think our expectation from a surface point of view, you want to play and you feel yourself that you are going to be in the lineup. But this is very important because when I get a couple of examples in World Cup final, Champions League final, some of the key players that can score the goal or assist are the ones that they didn't start the game. Even now we have a bigger squad, five changes.
53:45so as a player sometimes we need to keep this frustration of not starting because sometimes even in the knockout stages maybe the ones on the bench they played for longer than the ones who started because maybe at the 50 55 minutes you are out and the guy who comes in plays until the last penalty shootout so it's as a player I think it's very important to be humble and not to be frustrated when you are not starting, even if you want to play, of course.
54:21Chris Sutton:And the other thing with Thomas Tuchel as well is that on the one hand, I don't know if you've seen this stuff, but you've seen some of these team meetings where he's basically saying to them, this is where we want to get. And yet some of the press conferences recently he's just tried to take a little bit of the expectation off them. I think that's what Cesar's kind of alluding to in terms of that real clarity for the squad. And I'm presuming that's how it happened with the Champions League win, that there was a name to be there. But from an internal point of view, that stays within. And of course, we know when it gets to a World Cup stage, it's about controlling the media.
54:57And with his experience and all that he's won, it is about kind of dampening their expectations to allow the players to be free and to be able to produce on the pitch. And I think that's what you get with someone like Tuchel in terms of he's quite honest. But I think for me, the biggest thing that stands out is that players know what their roles are and the clarity is quite clear because he's continuously saying in the press conferences in terms of he's got 14 or 15 starters. So for the rest of the 11 players that potentially not in that group, you've had to have a conversation that their role might be a bit different to those that do start.
55:32and the influence, like Cesar said, in terms of you might have to come off the bench but also have a massive impact and being able to be ready for that impact is what England maybe need to be successful this tournament.
55:44Chris Sutton:Just going back to what you said about when he first came in at Cobham then and he instructed you and told you how he wanted you to play. Is his football and style of football and his instructions generally quite easy to pick up? It depends for whom. For you? I mean, personally, I had so many managers and with every manager, I had to adapt. I played in, maybe I would say back three on the right side was my, what I played most in my career, but it was not the same back three under Antonio Conte or Frank Lampard or Thomas Tuchel. You know, I played even with Luis Enrique. we were playing four at the back, but I was in the national team, like building up as a three on the right.
56:32So every manager is very different. But I have to say that not only the way he explained how he wanted to play, but also the feedback we got after the game or even at halftime was very useful to keep progressing and to keep improving.
56:47Chris Sutton:So does that mean England have a better manager than Spain then? I have to say that every country, they believe their manager is the best and every country, the expectation, the media. I think we can counter. We need more fingers than the 10 we have in our hands to think about more than 10 countries that we believe our country is going to win the World Cup. Cesar, over the course of the next few weeks, I'll explain to you in greater depth what it's like to work with Chris Sutton from time to time and how he tries to catch people out. If Spain aren't going to win this, Who else would you tip? It's hard.
57:28It's hard. There are so many countries that I believe they can make it. I think I would name the obvious names. And also I see, you know, that there's going to be one that might not be the best team who starts the tournament, who could be reaching the finals, because taking the examples like the one we had in Spain in 2010 when Spain lost against Switzerland. Everybody thought that was the end of the Spanish national team and they came to win. And then in Qatar, I was on the pitch. We won 7-0 against Costa Rica, the biggest win in the World Cup. And then last 16, we were flying back home after penalties against Morocco.
58:17So even Argentina, don't go too far. first game didn't go to plan and they ended up winning so it's going to be one to watch and I think we'll have more clarity towards the last eight of the tournament who can win it
58:38Chris Sutton:Chris who are you thinking? I've got four or five okay well go on then are you doing predictions during this World Cup? are you? no no I don't do it I'm really bad Go on then, Chris. Who are they? I've done my first round of predictions. I don't think I'll get any right. Right. Who are your four or five? I don't want to say there's too many teams, but there's so many teams. I mean, you can't know every team inside out. But no, I actually think France, I quite like their tactic of not preparing properly. So they'll probably come and win it. Argue lots and end up winning it, won't they? Well, you'd be not preparing properly by having their friendlies at Clairefontaine, not in North America.
59:22Chris Sutton:Yeah, no, exactly. Get out there and acclimatise. Do you know what you predicted for Jordan-Austria? Just off the top of your head. Yeah, an Austria win. Austria win. An Austria win, yeah. Everybody will beat Jordan. All right, OK. Who are you looking at? Well, the more I've looked, the more I've gotten a pickle, I think. I did say France as well, initially, when I was first asked that question. Oh, come on. Don't copy me, Rachel. Come on. They're the same reasons, too. For that reason, I'm going to say someone else. I've very recently looked at Portugal and I just think they've got a great team.
59:54They've got a great team. Ronaldo's too old. Yeah. Well, no, I'm not going to say yes and agree with that statement. I think he's... I love Ronaldo. I mean, what an amazing example.
1:00:04Chris Sutton:It'll be really interesting how they use him, won't it? Yes. And I think that potentially could be a challenge because he, like all the players, as César said, that players want to play. We know Ronaldo loves football so much and wants to be on the pitch, but I think they've got great options in the attack. You know, when you actually look at their attack in players, the depth they have to play across those front four positions are off the charts. Like Conce Sao, Bernardo Silva, Fernandes, Ronaldo, Ramos, Xau Felix, Leao, Neto, even someone like Gwedes. I really enjoyed him at Wolves. He scores brilliant goals.
1:00:42We're talking about having depth and bringing players off the bench. going forward, Portugal look like they are a force. I mean, if I say France, is Chris not going to be happy?
1:00:52Chris Sutton:He'll probably complain. Come on. If it's not France, I think Brazil. I'm going to throw that out there just in terms of already used to the climate, travelling, but also I think just in terms of the strength and death. But I think the reason I went for France is just in terms of their forward line, the likes of Mbappe and Lise scoring a hat-trick the other night. Just players that have got that little bit of an X factor and I think there's huge pressure on them. But yeah, I think for me, France or Brazil. Who do you think, Mark? I'm not allowed to say, Chris. No, you are. You can, surely you can say.
1:01:30Chris Sutton:You must, come on. I'd rather just wait. As Cesar said, it's important to wait till, say, the first round of group games are underway and you get a sense of how every team is... Yeah, but that's not a prediction then, is it? Just in case your team is going out early. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I've just got to take my time, see how everybody looks, and then we'll... Is that because you've not read your Bible that you've got next year? It's because I haven't gone through all the notes quite yet, Steph. Exactly. Cesar, what's your first game for us? Do you know? Spain against Saudi Arabia. Great. We will see you for that then.
1:02:03Chris Sutton:Thank you very much for joining us this evening. Cesar Aspilacueta, part of the BBC Sport team for this World Cup. I'm told one of your predictions in the group stages is France 3, Senegal 3 Yeah, well, yeah Senegal are quite good and yeah, they'll get off to a draw It's not how you start these tournaments, Mark I'm always consistent on that It's how you finish and the French mood will be right at the end Steph, Rachel, thank you That's it for the World Cup preview show You can get the Football Daily every morning from the USA Just search Football on BBC Sounds The 2023 Ballon d 'Or France footballer is Lionel Messi.
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Mark Chapman is joined by former Scotland captain Rachel Corsie, former England captain Steph Houghton and Chris Sutton out in Mexico City to preview the start of the 2026 World Cup.
Correspondent John Murray joins the show to discuss FIFA president Gianni Infantino's press conference addressing some of the off-field issues affecting the buildup to the tournament.
Scotland assistant coach Steven Naismith talks about how their squad has settled in the USA and former Aston Villa manager Dean Smith explains how he deals with the conditions now he's in charge at Charlotte FC in the MLS.
Cesar Azpilicueta gives his opinion on Spain's hopes of backing up their Euro 2024 victory - and talks about working with Thomas Tuchel at Chelsea.
And of course the panel get their crystal ball out - including Chris' much anticipated Austria v Jordan prediction!
You can hear coverage of every game during the World Cup on 5 Live and BBC Sounds.
Join Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith on Football Daily every morning from the USA, getting you closer to the biggest talking points at the World Cup 2026 — plus there’s extra insight, big-name guests and interviews from inside the England and Scotland camps. Just search ‘Football’ on BBC Sounds.
TIMECODES - 01:07 - John Murray breaks down FIFA president Gianni Infantino's press conference 15:34 - The panel talk Scotland 22:26 - Scotland assistant coach Steven Naismith 28:27 - Charlotte FC manager Dean Smith 42:41 - Cesar Azpilicueta on Spain's chances and Thomas Tuchel 56:20 - Prediction time




