In short
The Football Daily episode focuses on World Cup 2026 group-stage action and Scotland’s upcoming match versus Morocco. It recaps Round 2 group games: Mexico beat South Korea 1-0 to qualify; Canada thrashed Qatar 6-0; Switzerland beat Bosnia-Herzegovina 4-1; and Czechia drew South Africa 1-1.
Key claims
England could be on a “collision course” with Mexico in the last 16; Scotland’s best chance vs Morocco is defending well, winning second balls/headers, and counter-attacking with Ben Doak and possibly Shea Adams. Charlie Adam argues Morocco’s quality (Hakimi, Diaz) makes it a tough test, but Scotland can get a result with “eight or nine” top performances and physicality. Notable examples include Mexico’s goalkeeper double save, Canada’s 6-0 after a severe injury to Kone, and Switzerland’s Manzambi scoring twice.
Guests
Charlie Adam (former Scotland international, pundit) and Rafa Honigstein (German football journalist; also follows Austria and works with the Austrian national team).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWorld Cup Group Updates
1:19 to 1:56
Discussion on recent World Cup games and scores from the group stage.
“Hello, you're listening to the Football Daily with me, Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith.”
Beverly Hills Antics
1:56 to 4:51
Hosts share funny experiences from their trip to Beverly Hills.
“And Chechier drew one all with South Africa.”
Charlie Adam Joins the Conversation
4:51 to 6:10
Charlie Adam discusses the recent performances of teams in the World Cup.
“I'm at home at Freshly Place in Grimsby.”
Scotland's Challenges Ahead
6:10 to 10:19
A deep dive into Scotland's upcoming match against Morocco and strategies.
“Charlie, last time we spoke to you, it was 4am after the Scotland game and you were very tired.”
Preparing for Morocco
10:19 to 14:00
Discussion on key players and tactics for Scotland's game against Morocco.
“There's that nice delivery of food coming.”
Scotland's Approach Against Morocco
14:00 to 18:48
Explore how Scotland plans to tackle their upcoming match against Morocco, focusing on strategies and player performance.
“You know, I'm just using my own experience of, you know, playing for Stoke against Man City, that you know that you're playing against a better team and you've got better players.”
World Cup Insights and Team Performances
19:24 to 28:00
Discussion on standout teams and players in the World Cup, with insights on the dynamics of the tournament.
“So here's the first ball of this series.”
France and England: Contenders in the Tournament
28:00 to 29:15
Discussion on the strengths and performance of France and England in the World Cup.
“And the amazing thing with them is as a team, they can play fairly ordinary and still win absolutely out of canter and you think they're absolutely untouchable.”
Portugal's Struggles and Ronaldo's Impact
29:15 to 30:19
Analysis of Portugal's performance and the challenges surrounding Cristiano Ronaldo.
“Now, I don't know because Harry Kane plays for Bayern Munich, which is a team that's fairly close to my heart.”
Highlighting Host Nations' Performances
30:19 to 33:19
Examination of the host nations, including Mexico, the USA, and Canada, and their impact on the tournament.
“But with Portugal, you feel, wow, I mean, there is so much there, potential that is being almost sort of willfully...”
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The Atmosphere of the World Cup
33:19 to 34:21
Exploration of the vibe and atmosphere created by host nations during the World Cup.
“I think it was Canada's first World Cup win, if I'm not mistaken.”
Fashion Statements and Unusual Sightings
34:21 to 36:21
Lighthearted discussion about fashion in football, including unique habits of coaches.
“There's been some massive overreactions, as there always are at World Cups, and I wonder which is your favourite one.”
Tuchel's Management Style and England's Dynamics
36:21 to 40:38
Insights into Thomas Tuchel's management style and its effects on the England team.
“Nagelsmann changing at halftime, as in changing his outfit.”
Canada vs. Qatar: A Historic Victory
40:38 to 42:00
Recap of Canada's significant win against Qatar and the ensuing controversies.
“To the extent that you're not even seeing replays.”
Penalty Pressure and Player Performance
42:00 to 43:20
Discussing the importance of penalty takers in critical matches and player potential.
“So you have to give it to the guy who takes the penalties.”
Upcoming Matches and Commentary
43:20 to 43:46
Previewing upcoming World Cup matches and commentary schedule.
“All right, commentary is coming up later today.”
Transcript
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1:06Discover the V-Series lineup at Cadillac.com. The Football Daily Podcast at the People World Cup 2026 with Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith. Hello, you're listening to the Football Daily with me, Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith. Yes, absolutely right. We're into the second round of the group games. Just feels like there's been so many games. Coming up, we're going to be speaking to Charlie Adam, ahead of Scotland's massive game tonight against Morocco. Rafa Honigstein is going to join us to do a bit of an overview of the first round of the group games, what we've learned. Also, a quick look at today's games as well.
1:45Those scores from overnight are Mexico, the first country through to the next round after beating South Korea 1-0. Canada thrashed Qatar 6-0. Switzerland beat Bosnia-Herzegovina 4-1. And Chechier drew one all with South Africa. If you want to catch up, all of the scores and highlights are available on the BBC Sport website and app. Now, between games today, we had our most, I would say, Hollywood day. So we went into Beverly Hills because, and I don't want to talk about it, we had a meeting with an American agent. No big deal. And when we were in Beverly Hills, I wanted to go to a shop. And so we went to a shop.
2:23And it's quite a, well, put it this way. it's a shop where you have to queue outside behind a rope and then when two people get it's like going into a club it's like going to a club yeah yeah so we we eventually two out two into out exactly um that's not actually the phrase but whatever uh so we went in and um we were just having a browse the stuff's too expensive basically and uh it's not really for fat fellas like me what was fantastic i was cutting a bit fine to get to my um meeting with did i mention i was to a US agent. And so I had to get to this. Lloyd tried on a very nice but very expensive jacket that I would say there was no danger whatsoever of you buying.
3:01Is that fair? Well, I mean, I would... No, you weren't going to buy it. $1 ,800. That's right. So he pops it on and looks great. It's a nice jacket. As I said, well, I've got to go now. Lloyd realised that he somehow had got stuck in the jacket because he couldn't get the zip undone. And so as I left the shop, I was thinking maybe Lloyd is literally going to have to buy that jacket. It was glorious. We won't mention the jacket brand, but there's a badge on the, you know, get the badge. And they have some quite eclectic stuff. There was a couple of tips at the bottom, which I'll never enjoy. I mean, why do you need two sips?
3:39Just one for me, please. Green, kind of like nice metallic shell. Stop describing this jacket. It doesn't matter. The inside was like tinfoil. It was like tinfoil, yeah. And then I couldn't get out of it. Like you just finished the marathon. Unlikely. Unbelievable. Well, basically, it looked like you just ordered me from Spud Bros. And then couldn't get the tinfoil off. Can I get a Grimsby special, please? And I was there, and this jacket, because it was like tinfoil inside. I then start sweating. I love it when you start sweating. This shop is so hot, and they're quite judgmental in there. They're really judgmental, yeah.
4:12Already there's a little fat man getting into a jacket that he shouldn't be getting into anyway. The tinfoil's making me sweat. You're literally going, I've got to go. I've got to go and meet this American agent. I'm not sure if I mentioned it. And I'm there going, Rick, you can't leave me. No, I did have to leave. And at one point he went, I'm going to have to go. At which point I kind of looked at the shop assistant. He kind of looked at me and looked at me like, oh, mate, don't let me. Don't make me come over there and get you out of this jacket. And then managed to like with my little sweaty mitts, get out of this jacket.
4:39There was a point where I thought the shop assistant was going to cut you out. And then I just had to pay$1 ,800 for a jacket that I don't really want. I don't look. Where would I wear it as well? What's a choir? I don't know. Anyway, it was, yeah. I mean, and I think that's just why Beverly Hills is not for me. Not for you. I'm at home at Freshly Place in Grimsby. Do you know what I mean? Another one, in fact, was when we got on a hog, one of the electric bikes, and it was one of the two-person ones. Yeah. And I was riding, unusually. Normally, I'm hugging you. And I was at the front, but I also had my rucksack on.
5:11And then you were sitting. So I was like, well, maybe I should go to the front. And you're like, no, no, no. So you're sort of hugging. That's not what I sound like. A little bit. You're sort of hugging me from behind, but also hugging around a rucksack. So it's a bit precarious. And actually, as we came out, I didn't have massive control over the hull. It was wobbling all over the shelf. It was really wobbly. It was a jelly. And sort of weaving and wobbling as we went across, well, four lanes of a highway. And you, and I'm sorry to say this, there was a car coming. There was. We were going to be fine.
5:42We were going to be fine. But you were squealing like a little piggy. I was squealing. You were. I'd have said like a hog if I were you. Oink! I was like, Rick, there's a big truck coming our way. But you didn't even, you know what you actually said? You named the truck, the type of truck. There's a Tacoma coming. It felt like an optician's appointment where the letters were getting bigger and bigger. I was like, read the number. I can definitely read that. Oh, honestly. Charlie Adam joins us now. Charlie, last time we spoke to you, it was 4am after the Scotland game and you were very tired. Bless you.
6:15You're joining us now again. is 4am becoming a bit of a habit did you fall asleep during this commentary? No well after first half performance yeah we were nearly there but we regrouped at half time we had a word with ourselves and thought right let's get the energy in the second half and to be fair to the Mexicans they come out and they got the goal it was a poor goal to lose for South Korea oh yeah and you know the goalkeeper makes an error but yeah it was a good finish from the midfielder and yeah it was a good win for Mexico to get them to qualify for the last 32 now it was a good opportunity for you to use your catchphrase as well, Lloyd.
6:48Oh, you've got to keep hold of it. And actually, in that case, he really did have to. In that case. He's a good goalkeeper, but he had a bit of a stinker today. And then that double save at the end. Double save at the end for the Mexico keeper. That's lovely. I think he's got to do better, the striker. I don't think he gets a strong enough header on it. I think he might actually go back to a goal, but it's a lovely ball in and the goalkeeper does a brilliant save and it's a double save to keep them in the game to win it. And, yeah, he didn't really have much to do with the Mexican goalkeeper. And, yeah, it was a big save for them.
7:17What I will say is when he went down, he did the double save and then he went down. And it looked like he was quite injured. And I was like, oh, no. But then him in the back of May going, oh, we're going to get to see Memo Achara. Achara, yeah. Oh, for his 154th count or something. At the age of 48. He's only 40. Is he? Okay, fair enough. But he doesn't have 14 million followers. Mexico now through to the last 32. and looking at the path, it feels like England might be on a collision course with Mexico in the last 16 and that would be in Mexico City at altitude in front of 90 ,000 Mexican fans in the Azteca.
7:56And that's going to be a big ask, I think, Charlie. Yeah, there is a big ask, but if I'm watching that tonight, England will blow Mexico away. No problems. With a team that England have got and the performance I thought the other night was excellent. I didn't see anything in Mexico that would scare England. I think England would blow them away even then. Yeah, the attitude would be tough, but if you look at the teams, England have got a far better team, but it was just a good atmosphere for, you know, as a home nation to be able to call it. We want the sort of home nations to get as deep as we can to keep the energy within the games.
8:31And yeah, it was a good win for Mexico and it'll be interesting to see how the coach does it in the next game. Does he rest a couple or does he try and go for to win every game and look to try and get that sort of draw in the last 32? Let's move on to Scotland then. They play Morocco later today. It's a massive, massive game. But it was interesting what Steve Clarke was saying in his press conference, which is basically with the Scottish psyche. Sometimes it helps. They're more comfortable being the underdogs. Does that ring true? Yeah, no, absolutely And that's where I said The Haiti game was more of a A difficult game for us Because we had a little bit We thought we were going to have More of the ball But we didn't actually You know, Haiti had more possession We need to be better with the ball And if we do that Then we'll give ourselves A better chance I didn't think I thought we were poor with the ball The other night against Haiti But Morocco are a different side You know, they're seventh in the world FIFA ranking So we've got good players That can hurt you And, you know, this game will suit Scotland They'll be able to counter-attack quickly and not has much possession, but hopefully be able to hurt them in different areas.
9:36Charlie, we've been asking a number of people, players, pundits, fans, which team has surprised them the most. And the one answer that comes back is Morocco. It's going to take a lot to try and beat them. What do you think Scotland will have to do in order to just get any result out of them? Well, I think we'll have to defend really well. It was a clean sheet in the first game and they've got good players. Hakeemidia and Diaz, just to name a few, a couple of players that can hurt you on their day you know, Hakimi's coming off the back of winning back-to-back Champions Leagues for PSG so they've got quality players around their squad and we have to be in our top level game, we have to be defend well, we have to attack well, we'll need eight or nine players playing well to really impact this game and if we do that it'll give us a chance, we feel like we only need the point but I don't think you can always think about going into a game with a point Steve will have a game plan, might be a little bit of a tweak in terms of formation and maybe go with one up front.
10:31There's that nice delivery of food coming. Yeah, yeah. Did you see it? Did you see the little gesture as well? Just like, hold on. Yeah, he's just all wearing it. I'm talking to a former Scotland international here, actually. Calm down, Josh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got Charlie Adam here at 10 quarter past, four in the morning. He doesn't want to see our Caesar salads. Yeah, also, did you notice that there were two salads there? Like, we're athletes, basically. Yeah, no, absolutely. You've got to look after yourself. Thank you. Yes, yes, yes. Anyway, going back to Scotland. Yeah, I think we've got to play.
10:59we've got to defend well, we need to attack well and we need eight or nine top performances to get anything out of this game. It'll be a difficult match but we feel like we're in a good place there's good atmosphere around the stadiums, the Scotland fans are enjoying it and the boys seem to be buoyant with that result and again that's sort of that monkey off the back, first win at a World Cup for a long time. On that thing of sitting back absorbing pressure and then being quick on transition. Ben Gannendoke will be absolutely vital in that, won't he? Yeah, he had a tough hamstring injury, long-term injury in terms of for three or four months after Denmark game, got back near the end of the season for Bournemouth and he's played a couple of friendlies now.
11:44His performance the other night was good, but yeah, we're going to need him on that counter-attack. We're going to need his pace, his power. So again, I think we might look to try and play maybe an extra midfielder in there and only play one up front. Maybe he goes with Shea Adams because he gives you that sort of legs to run in behind as well. Maybe a little bit different to Shanklin and maybe he goes with Adams. I thought Adams did well with the other night. He did really well for the goal. Runs in behind. Lovely touch. Set back for Gannon Doak and then he gets Jean McGinn to the edge of the box and it was a scruffy goal but it was a goal that we'll take.
12:22And Scotland, I mean, obviously this sort of applies to every team but they need their big senior players to step up. So I'm thinking about, obviously, John McGinn, Andy Robertson, Scott McTominay. They have to be absolutely on it, don't they? They have to set the standard. Yeah, absolutely. And again, you're spying your team's key. The goalkeeper needs to play well. Two centre-backs. Robertson's obviously got massive experience at club level and at national level now as well. also McTominay, McGinn's, they need to play well for us to really have an impact on the game. The Moroccan coach was saying he felt his biggest problem was probably going to be the physical presence of Scotland, so winning those second balls and headers, and you do think that's somewhere that Scotland might be able to dominate?
13:13Oh, absolutely, that's something that we have to use, set plays, you know, we have to use that again, and being physical to make a difference to the opponent. But Morocco are coming in here in good form. Let's say before they won the African Nations Cup, drew 1-1 with Brazil and played really well against Brazil for that sort of first period till the hydration break. And then Carlo Ancelotti changed it a little bit and then Brazil got a little bit of momentum. But, you know, there's just a lot of array of talent within this Morocco team. and Scotland will know it's going to be a tough game. But also, again, like I say, the coach has made that point that it's going to be physical and Scotland have to try and use that because he's saying that because that's something that they're worried about.
14:00When, as a player, you go into a game and you know exactly what you're saying, so you play a team and they're technically much, much worse than you, they're lower down in the rankings, or you know that they're much better than you, much higher up in the rankings, does that make an imperceptible change to the way that you approach the game, even if you obviously try not to? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I'm just using my own experience of, you know, playing for Stoke against Man City, that you know that you're playing against a better team and you've got better players. What you're hoping is that you can make an impact on their performance.
14:37And you're hoping that they don't have eight or nine players playing at the peak and the top level, because if they do that, you know they're going to win the game. so you have to try and find ways what's the weaknesses, how can we affect the game so that might be making sure that we don't go and press at the wrong times and we just get picked off, we're in good shape we're organised and we go together and we can, making the distances small because then it becomes difficult for them to find the spaces so it's just different things, you've got to find a way of affecting your opponent and Scotland will be the same they'll look at that Morocco squad and think, yeah there's very good players but the Scotland players are good as well.
15:17There's good players in our Scotland squad that can hurt you on their day and we're just hoping that we can turn up and we can get eight or nine top performances that will give us a chance of getting a result in the game. I think every team as well will have watched the way that Cape Verde played against Spain and thought, oh, well, it's possible. Absolutely possible. No, absolutely. By the way, we're not playing against Spain. We're not playing against a Portugal or an England Who have got the top five nations in the world We're playing against Morocco Who are very good side with good players But on the day anything can happen And we're going into this game with a lot more confidence Than we did in the first game in the Euros against Germany And that win and that buoyant atmosphere around the stadium And in the stadium will be electric It will be electric to see Scotland fans again there and the players need to feed from that.
16:11When the tank's empty, we need to go again. We need to be able to drive ourselves as a group of players. Substitution will be key. Steve's got to make the right substitution at the right times. Sometimes supporters are disappointed when he makes a substitution, but he needs to make the right substitution at the right times and hopefully that makes an impact as well. The Scotland fans are going to be in terrific voice. We know that. They're having the time of their lives out in Boston. I'm sure you've seen all of the stuff. They've effectively taken over the city with the city's blessing. The Bostonians are absolutely loving it.
16:42Every statue's got a traffic cone on it. They took over Fenway Park. I hope you've seen the governor signing a declaration making haggis legal in Massachusetts, which is fantastic. They had a big gathering where it was like the most number of Americans drinking iron brew a single time, organised by this YouTube. It was unofficial, apparently. Unofficial, but you suspect it probably is. if we're making haggis legal anything's possible we could do anything anything possible in America they love the Scots listen the Scotland fans will travel all over the world to support the team but what they won't do well is have a good time and the locals will have enjoyed Scotland fans being there and you want to make a lasting impression on people and the most important thing for us now is we make a lasting impression on the pitch and we qualify for that last 32 does it feel like you're working nights at the moment do you know what I mean like my mates who go work at Grimsby Docks, in Birmingham Docks.
17:37I mean, they're working nights at the moment, especially, so they can watch the games when they get home. Does it feel like you've got a proper job when you work in nights? Yeah, absolutely, Lloyd. This is not in my way of working. I'm not a morning person. I do not see the middle of the night. The only time I ever see the middle of the night is getting up for a wee. Well, you're right, Charlie. That's going to happen more and more, I'm afraid. Yeah, exactly that. But no, this is not what I planned. but it's just nice to be involved in the World Cup. Absolutely. It's a brilliant opportunity and, yeah, thankful for that.
18:10But, yeah, my sleep is struggling. And I should speak to these lads. Cheers, Charlie. Nice one. We've got to get our salads down us now. So, yeah, excuse us. Get to sleep, Charlie.
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20:12We're joined now by German football journalist Rafa Honigstein and we've just been having an argument about whether cricket is any good. There is no argument, is there? Yeah, there is. It's fantastic. You're talking to cricket fans. I don't get it. You haven't watched enough. 33 years in England and nothing. Short form. What about short form? Were they just talking in the whole time? No. Have you been to a nice little test game? I have not been to a cricket game. Well, come on. We'll take you. We'll take you. Friends of mine who've told me how brilliant it is, they usually talk about all the things that have nothing to do with the sport.
20:44They say, oh, you can take a sandwich. You can listen to the radio. I can do all these things in my garden. Why do I need to go to a cricket game? It's such a lovely social day. My dad's favorite thing to do is just go on his own to a county cricket match. And he just sits there. He reads the paper. He has a lovely time. I don't know. If the game was so interesting. It is interesting. Why would you say, go there and read a paper? the great thing that you don't need to be focusing intently on the game I just don't it's so good and also you can just have a little nap as well if you need to without going into too much detail I just want to say it doesn't get my juices flowing the way football does why does football get your juices flowing because but it gets mine flowing as well I'm not like because I think there's something happening there with two teams battling to put a round thing into a goal and it's it just it resonates more I think than somebody whacking a ball it just there is no real connection to any meaningful thing I think the deeper message in football is quite sexy I do love that and yeah that's yeah that's it do you know what thanks very much for joining us that's the kind of insight we needed you wait till we take you to Chester the street for a nice little day test and you'll be like do you know what lads my juices are flowing now yeah I've got as I said the raging horn I mean we might as well talk about the football while you're here yeah let's go if we must so this is a quick pit stop for you in Santa Monica have you been all around no I've been to San Francisco so far and LA and I'm flying off to Dallas to see Argentina Austria and then Kansas and then who knows it's all up in the air so have you been with Ralf Rang yet is that what you've been doing yes I work with the Austrian national team apart from doing a bit of journalism on the side these days and I follow them and I go to their games and of course also keep an eye on Germany and all these other big sides.
22:39And it's been really good. How's Ralph feeling about things? He's very happy. I bet he is. The first game against Jordan was very pressurized because with Algeria and Argentina to come, it was the sort of game where if you win, you're in a fantastic position. If you draw, you're in a really terrible position. Yeah, yeah. So it almost felt a little bit like a final. And you could feel the tension. and also for a team that haven't had any World Cup experience for 28 years, that is a long time to just turn up and play as if it wasn't a very kind of special game. You could feel it a little bit in the first half, but yeah, it's looking good at the moment.
23:19So we've seen the first round of the group games. So 24 matches. A lot of matches. It is a lot. I mean, we knew this going in, but my God, it's quite hard to know. That is literally what we're here to do. And we're watching them all. But it is hard to keep up. I don't have such a problem with keeping up with the matches because I don't think there are more matches than we used to at this stage of the tournament. I think it's usually four games or has been four games a day for quite a while now. The problem is the amount of teams. I cannot remember what team played who and what is the story. And it's a bit like following three different TV series at the same time.
23:58It kind of blurs into each other and you're thinking, hold on, this episode, was that in this series? There's a lot of pausing. There's a lot of pausing going, who's that? Why is there an annoying teenage girl in it? Oh, no, every TV series has an annoying teenage girl. It's a kind of trope. But anyway, and I say that as a father of three teenage girls, so I pick up on these things. But it's really hard, I think, to engage deeply with sort of the narratives around teams unless you're already familiar with them. Because, you know, I mean, tonight you're thinking, OK, I really want to know a bit more about this Mexico team, but now I know there's another game coming up and I need to think about these other four or six or seven or 18 teams.
24:39And it's hard. It's hard to dive into it the way that you usually can, I think, when there's just slightly less frenzied amount of teams involved. I felt like it was quite good in LA, this Mexico-South Korea game, because there's a big Mexican contingent in LA and you've got Korea Towns as a big Korean contingent. So it felt like there was a kind of fizz about the place. And I think that's something that perhaps we all underestimated a little bit, just how local this World Cup is. I don't think a lot of people in Europe felt very excited because it's hard to get to, it's very expensive, there's all the immigration issues, the political situation is very divisive.
25:17But people who are here, like even at that Jordan-Austria game, there were thousands and thousands of Jordan-Americans who traveled from all over the US to be there with their team. And it felt very, very special. So the world already is here to a certain extent, even if the fans from their home country stay away, maybe. And it's nice because you're kind of being educated as to where the pockets of the world are in America, which is something that I absolutely didn't know. I didn't know that outside of Iran, Los Angeles has got the largest... Teorangeles. Yeah, I mean, Lloyd is quite an ignorant man, but, you know, it is good for him.
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25:52I absolutely am. But I went to a perfumery shop today and there was an Iranian man that was serving me. And he was like, oh, yeah, no, we are absolutely the biggest population of Iran outside of Iran. And we love it. And we're now so happy that people realize that. Because I think especially with geopolitically what's been going on, I think people just thought, oh, it's very insolent. There's no Iranians in America. When in fact, that's absolutely not the case. There's tons of them. Can I just ask really geekily, how do you as a journalist keep up with all this? Do you have a notebook? Do you have a wall chart?
26:22To keep up with all the games? We've got a wall chart. We've got a wall chart, basically. You can keep up with the results and try to see as much as you can, but really to do it justice, you have to concentrate either on certain teams or what my colleagues are doing this time is they're just staying in certain cities. For them, it's like almost, today I'm the South Korea expert, but tomorrow I have to be the Belgian expert. and it's a very different way of working to the way I've covered tournaments in the past where you really follow your team around because it's quite easy to do whether that's in Qatar or even in Russia it was fairly easy to because you kind of know where your teams are now it's very very hard to to really stick with one team because the amount of travel and cost involved doesn't really allow it so you have to focus more geographically and then again it adds another a layer of complication, I think, to the way that you cover the game and maybe makes it slightly less in-depth and more superficial, at least at this stage of the tournament.
27:24Although still kind of fascinating, though. Yeah, for sure. Because of the local elements. There's a really good article, actually, on the BBC Sport website that Chris Collinson has done that rounds up all of the numbers so far. So, you know, best goals, best dribblers, all that kind of stuff, all the stats, basically, from the first round of groups. For you, who have been the standouts? First of all, standout teams and then standout players. Well, I mean, a standout team is an easy answer because I think we knew from way before the World Cup started that France are going to be really hard to beat.
28:00And the amazing thing with them is as a team, they can play fairly ordinary and still win absolutely out of canter and you think they're absolutely untouchable. I mean, nothing in the game itself told you that this France team are particularly exciting. But then you have two or three guys just doing stuff. And if the two or three guys are not doing stuff, there's another two or three guys that can come on and do the same stuff. Bring in the next ones that are unbelievable. You just cannot touch them. They're on a different level completely. So, yeah, standout team for me. Definitely France. England, I was really impressed with against Croatia.
28:36You know, England, again, have a history of being really dull and functional. at the group stage in recent seasons. Very competent, unlike the Germans. I think there was an argument that they sort of became the new Germans in a way, being very... Efficient. Efficient and just doing enough to go through, but then perhaps not quite getting over the line. This England team looked very exciting, especially the second half, really expensive and a joy to watch. So those two sides, as we knew, I think, before the tournament, among the top contenders. I'm really conflicted about England because traditionally I used to enjoy them not doing very well.
29:13Yeah, we understand. Now, I don't know because Harry Kane plays for Bayern Munich, which is a team that's fairly close to my heart. So I want him to do well. Thomas Tuchel is there. I don't know how I feel about that. It's a bit strange for me to see an England manager. It's a bit strange for us as well. Who is German and who talks about singing the anthem of all things. Very, very odd. Yeah, but they're a likable team, I feel. You don't have the same kind of, dare I say, arrogance or entitlement that used to be a mark of previous England sides. They're just a nice team who just want to play good football.
29:52How can you begrudge them that? Relaxingly, I must say, I enjoy watching them. You can kind of see the pain on your face when you're saying that. It's a strange sensation for me. A couple of real standout results. the Cape Verde one which is just an extraordinary rearguard action from Cape Verde and rightly got a lot of plaudits and then actually DR Congo getting that draw against Portugal one of the favourites and just came up probably the most disappointing side, I think Spain weren't actually that bad, they just couldn't score the goal and they looked a little bit sort of uninspired but I think they're still among the best sides and they don't have too much trouble going through the group stage.
30:38But with Portugal, you feel, wow, I mean, there is so much there, potential that is being almost sort of willfully... Wasted. Yeah. By a very disbalanced setup, which kind of doesn't bring out the best of the players. They spent a lot of time with huge distances, I feel. They're not playing very well together. and of course homelander in front of Cristiano Ronaldo so it's not great I was speaking to a Portuguese journalist yesterday and he was saying the thing is there's no way Roberto Martinez is going to drop Ronaldo, he will start every game yeah he already said, he was asked why is that? I think he's made up his mind that he's going to just not do it he was asked why didn't you substitute him because he clearly wasn't quite having the best of games he said i i will not bring off the best goal scorer in history of portugal you can look at it that way and you can still score a couple of goals i think but we knew that was going to be one of the big talking points of this tournament before because there already was a big talking points four years ago and i'm always kind of almost sort of rubbing my eyes in disbelief thinking that four years down the line we still have the same issue with Portugal.
31:57And it's a shame because it's such an amazing team that really has, maybe unlike any Portugal side in living memory, at least in modern times, has a fantastic opportunity winning the tournament. But not like that. It seems to me, you know, like when people say, oh, you know, your parents look after you and then they get to a point where you look after your parents. It seems very much like Cristiano has carried that team and now the team seems to be carrying Cristiano. I'm struggling to carry him. Yeah, but I think the difference is, I mean, with children and their parents, the children sort of, most children, I would say, love to help their parents out and they understand that roles have now reversed.
32:34But in professional football, it's not like that. I mean, you have a guy who'll say, you know, I could be playing a lot better here. Yeah. And I don't get the sense, you know, that unlike with Argentina and Messi, that the whole team is playing for Messi. You don't get it with Portugal, whether that is a tactical thing or sort of the mindset. I just don't have the same, you know, we're all trying to help Ronaldo because he will help us win this World Cup. You just don't get it at the moment. It's nice when the hosts are doing well. So we've seen Mexico progress through. The USA were really good in their first game against Paraguay.
33:10Canada got that big win today against Qatar, which we'll talk about in a bit more detail. And I just always, when the hosts are doing well, it gives the tournament a lift. Yes, and again, that is, I think, something that makes a huge difference because obviously Mexico is a huge football city, the US slightly less, so Canada, yes, but doesn't perhaps have the history of success at these competitions. I think it was Canada's first World Cup win, if I'm not mistaken. So that is, I think, really the icing on the cake in terms of the atmosphere. You need that, you want that. It wasn't really like that in Qatar.
33:48it was a little bit like that in Russia, but not to the same extent because it's not really a football country the way we like to think of it. So you have to go back to 2014 in Brazil to come to a kind of a similar engaged local population. I mean, just walking down the street today, you couldn't help but bump into people with jerseys and every single bar had three or four televisions out. And that just makes, that is what the World Cup is, and that's what the World Cup should be. The vibe is there. The vibe is there, and the more the US, you know, perform, and Canada as well, who I didn't have high hopes for, I must admit, and Mexico, of course, now have won the group, and they're on a collision course with England in the last 16, Mexico City.
34:38So, yeah, I think it's great. There's been some massive overreactions, as there always are at World Cups, and I wonder which is your favourite one. Spain Spain and Eustace not going to win the World Cup Portugal going out Ronaldo will never score again Alisson's the best player in the world I did say that yesterday Alisson might be the best player in the world I know a fun fact here one of the Premier League sides you can probably guess which one they start with a B who are very good in data their system their model has Alisson down as the best player in the world just ahead of Mbappe. Can I just say something that's really surprised me?
35:18Yeah. Is the amount of babies in the stadiums. It's quite family, isn't it? It's almost become a sort of fashion accessory to hold up a baby in diapers when the goal is scored. Yes, I saw one baby that looked so unhappy as well. Like, someone was celebrating a goal, a dad, with the baby. The baby was screaming, crying. The dad didn't notice. And this is something genuine new. I don't think I've seen it in a workup before. No, you're right. I was with some English fans in the pub the other day from Bradford, from Leeds, from Aston Villa. They've come out to watch a few games and there was a similar situation.
35:50Watching a game, a lady picked up a baby and the lads were a little bit disgruntled because they hadn't been able to get tickets. Just went, I hope he's paid for a ticket. I mean, this is the sort of question that keeps me up at night. Have they paid for this extra ticket or have they sort of had a baby? No, I think you've probably got the papoose on. Yeah. And then you say, I pay already so much money, might as well get another human being in. They can't be charging full price for a baby. It's the same as like an airline, isn't it? I mean, it gets to a certain age. You go, well, you've got to pay for it.
36:17The kid's over two. If they can eat nachos, they're paying. Nagelsmann changing at halftime, as in changing his outfit. I have not seen a coach do that. He's like Madonna. I think he had three different T-shirts on on the same day. He does like fashion. If you remember from his Champions League days with Leipzig. The first one didn't work for him, I think. He had his stripes. Right, right. And then maybe he got a call from, or a text from his wife, and said, you know, please wear something else. Not this one. I can smell a brand deal. Do you know what I mean? He's definitely been given some outfits by a certain high-end company.
36:53And he's got to cycle through them. And they've got, hey, you can wear this, because this is spring, summer. And then we'll sort you out a different outfit for the next game. You can only wear the official sponsor from the team, though, because anything else is forbidden by FIFA. Is that right? Yeah, did you see the story that Jamal Musiala had headphones on and had to put a little sticker over the branding because it's not a sponsor from FIFA. Wow, that is ridiculous. On Thomas Tuchel and you feeling conflicted about him managing England, his sort of man management style, what can you tell us about that?
37:30Because he clearly did something at halftime that had a big effect on the England team. well first of all I feel conflicted because I'm worried that he will win stuff for England because I don't think England have had a sort of technically and tactically proficient manager of his qualities probably since Glenn Hoddle so that's a long time ago and my big question mark was can he find the same kind of relationship with the players that Gareth clearly had who made it sort of a club and who made it, took all the toxicity out of it and all the pressure that used to be an issue. And I thought some of the choices he made going into the tournament and the way he communicated them were quite gutsy, stroke brave, stroke maybe foolish depending on the result.
38:20I mean, you could see the narrative being written if things don't go well. He's left all the good players behind. He's created a problem with Bellingham but it wasn't a problem. But I think he's kind of, at least on the evidence or the first game managed to push their buttons in addition to all the tactical stuff that he is so brilliant at. He's a fantastic manager. He will give very detailed instructions and explanations. He would have seen certain things that didn't quite work in the first half and it would have, together with the analyst, shown him two or three scenes and in maximum three minutes, he would have really effectively communicated what they need to change combined with the kind of rousing motivational powers powers that you need at this level.
39:03So he can be the complete package. It's just that England, I think, are a special case. And can a foreign manager and can somebody like Tuchel, who in the past has struggled with man management, funnily enough, can he connect with them the way his predecessor did? But it looks like he does. Declan Rice came out yesterday. There's a few quotes during the rounds. And he said, he didn't say what Thomas Tuchel had said, but at halftime, he said, Thomas Tuchel said stuff to us. and we were like, oh god, yeah. And then Declan Rice said, what a manager. Like, to get that from Declan Rice, just from information at halftime, you're kind of thinking, they really want to play for him.
39:39They really, really want to play for him. And that's the thing maybe I underestimated or overestimated when I worried about the man management thing. I think the highest motivation that you can get from players is their belief in you helping them to win games. So as long as Tuchel can do these things at halftime, saying, look, position yourself a little bit more to the left or the spaces are here, do this and we're going to score. And then you do it and you think as a player, wow, that's all I want from a manager. And then you will love and follow that manager even if he's perhaps a little grumpy and strange in other ways.
40:11I mean, think of Pep Guardiola. He is not a person that you can sometimes think that he's the most easily relatable person in the world. He's very intense, very obsessive in his own world a little bit. but players love him because he helps them win games and he makes them better players and Tuchel I think is on his way to doing that with England so we've touched on Mexico South Korea um want to quickly talk about Canada's result against Qatar 6-0 you said first ever win a world cup absolute hammering for for Qatar two sent off a really horrible uh leg break for for Kone after After which the stadium, understandably, like everyone just sort of, it was just hideous really.
41:00To the extent that you're not even seeing replays. Well, they didn't even show it on the highlights. No, no. And, you know, 6-0 and then the managers were arguing at the end. I'm not quite sure what that was about. Yeah, it was about the, I think Jesse Marsh didn't go into details, but he explained that he didn't like the reaction of the Qatar bench, who I think tried to downplay the severity of the foul. and trying to make out that Canada are overreacting to it in order to get the player sent off. That's, I think, the argument. Okay. And then Switzerland for Bosnia and Herzegovina won. For me, it was quite a dull game for the first 70 minutes.
41:39And then it all exploded. The only thing I really want to say is when Manzambi is 20 years old, he scored two goals, both of them very nice goals. when you get a penalty in basically the last minute of the game and you're 3-1 up so the game is won give it to the lad to get his hat no no sorry I disagree I have to be a sports player I have to be very German here I have to be very German here and I'll tell you why you think because Xhaka's the designated penalty taker two things first of all yes Xhaka's the designated penalty taker but more importantly this one goal can make the difference between qualifying or not qualifying it's not like a league game where it's like it doesn't matter 3-1-4-1 but 4-1 or 3-1 is a huge difference when it comes to maybe qualifying as the third best team and so on.
42:27So you have to give it to the guy who takes the penalties. You can't just go for the hat-trick thing. Manzambi is a shooting star. You might recall or not because the game was too one-sided, but he was Freiburg's best player in the final against Aston Villa and a real story of the Bundesliga season. And now he's come to the big stage and already I read somewhere in the Swiss paper saying that he's probably going to be the most expensive Swiss player ever after this World Cup because Freiber won't be able to hold on for him too much longer. Imagine if he'd taken the penalty. Then he would have had another 10 million on.
43:05Chechia, South Africa, 1-0. I think the New York Times called it the worst game of the World Cup so far. South Africa got a late penalty which I guess keeps their qualification hopes aligned. Two points. Yeah. Rafa, absolute pleasure as always. Thank you so much for chatting to us. All right, commentary is coming up later today. That huge game, Scotland-Morocco from 11pm with Alistair Le Mans and Pat Nevin. Before that, USA-Australia from 8. The other game in Scotland's group, Brazil-Haiti at 1.30am. Then Turkey-Paraguay at 4am. And the next episode of the Football Daily will react to all of those games.
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Scotland face their biggest test of the World Cup so far as they prepare to take on Morocco.
Rick Edwards and Lloyd Griffith are joined by former Scotland international Charlie Adam to preview a huge match for Steve Clarke's side.
German football journalist Raphael Honigstein joins Rick & Lloyd in Santa Monica to look back on the opening round of group games and separate the genuine contenders from the early overreactions. Are Spain already out of the running after their draw with Cape Verde? Should Portugal be worried? And will Cristiano Ronaldo ever score a World Cup goal?
Raph also praises Thomas Tuchel's man management and reflects on the unique challenge of covering a tournament spread across three countries, before Rick and Lloyd discover that shopping in Beverly Hills can be a humbling experience.




