In short
The episode of Guardian Football Weekly covers World Cup matches and fallout. Topic: Portugal vs Croatia (including a late offside ruling after a chip in the ball), Spain vs Austria (Spain’s emphatic 3-0), and Switzerland vs Algeria (Switzerland 2-0), plus tomorrow’s fixtures and coaching news.
Guests
Jonathan Wilson (football writer), Barry Glendening (panelist), Archie Rentutt (panelist), and Max (host).
Key claims
Roberto Martinez’s Ronaldo substitution was “brave” but long overdue; Ronaldo was criticized for not pressing and for being a liability aside from his sublime finish. The offside decision is debated as borderline but defended as correct if technology shows a hair/deflection.
Notable examples
Gonzalo Ramos’ header vs Croatia; Diogo Costa’s “save of the tournament” vs Colombia; Johan Manzambi’s dynamic run and Freiburg form for Switzerland; Spain’s Dani Olmo at No.10 improving rhythm; Algeria’s repeated “daft goals” and Switzerland’s second goal from two giveaways. Also discussed: Nagelsmann firing rumors and Ralf Rangnick’s reputation.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMatch Overview: Portugal vs. Croatia
0:48 to 2:24
Discussing the exciting gameplay and key moments of the match.
“Snicko spotting the ball, brushing a Croatian head.”
Controversial Offside Call
2:24 to 4:24
Delving into the controversial offside decision that cost Croatia a goal.
“and right at the end, that offside call, the last minute of extra time, it feels, Wilson, so cruel on Croatia.”
Analysis of Key Players
4:24 to 6:24
Evaluating the performances of key players like Ramos and Ronaldo.
“It's a brilliant cross and it's a brilliant header.”
Croatia's Tactical Approach
6:24 to 8:24
Analyzing Croatia's tactics and their defensive strategies during the match.
“Four years ago in Le Salle, Portugal beat Switzerland 6-1 in the last 16 and Fernando Santos left out Ronaldo for Gonzalo Ramos who scored a hat-trick.”
Technology in Football: The Chip in the Ball
8:24 to 10:44
Discussing the technology used to determine the offside and its implications.
“Brave would have been dropping him given everything that's happened.”
Referee Decisions and Their Impact
10:44 to 14:01
Exploring the impact of referee decisions on the match outcome and previous games.
“But once they hadn't scored, you could just see that familiar Croatian pattern of them getting back into the game.”
Referee Decisions and Emotional Tributes
14:01 to 14:50
Discussion about a controversial referee decision and the emotional impact of Diogo Jota's death on the Portugal squad.
“And that will obviously give them an extra motivation to do well in this tournament.”
Spain's Impressive Performance Against Austria
16:51 to 19:46
Analysis of Spain's 3-0 win over Austria, focusing on player performances and tactical improvements.
“Welcome to part two of the Guardian Football Weekly.”
Critique of Ralph Rangnick and Austria's Struggles
19:47 to 22:55
Discussion on Ralph Rangnick's coaching effectiveness and Austria's disappointing performances in the tournament.
“I mean, that was by far the best performance.”
Algeria's Disappointing Display Against Switzerland
22:56 to 28:01
Overview of Algeria's loss to Switzerland and the ongoing critique of African teams in the tournament.
“And we're saying well done to Pedro Porro, got his first goal for Spain.”
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Frustrations of a Football Fan
28:01 to 29:11
Discussion about frustrations related to teams giving away leads in matches.
“but like a lot of them giving away silly goals, giving away leads, et cetera, et cetera.”
CAF's Performance in the World Cup
29:11 to 31:08
Analysis of African teams' performances and their struggles in World Cup knockout stages.
“They really needed at least five teams to get through, and they got nine through.”
Switzerland's Rising Star: Johan Manzambi
31:08 to 32:57
Highlights of Johan Manzambi's impact on Switzerland's World Cup performance.
“Johan Manzambi, as Wilson mentioned, is a brilliant run.”
Looking Ahead: Upcoming Matches
32:57 to 35:15
Preview of upcoming World Cup matches featuring various teams.
“and with each assist, with each goal, they are adding on millions of euros.”
Germany's Coaching Changes: Nagelsmann's Departure
35:15 to 37:46
Discussion on the implications of Julian Nagelsmann's firing from Germany's coaching position.
“Columbia-Ghana, I mean, this, Barry, we expect will be the lowest of low blocks against Columbia, who have looked really quite exciting so far.”
England's Tournament Preparations
37:46 to 39:26
Insights into England's preparations and challenges ahead of upcoming matches.
“And if that is how we want football to be, that's fine.”
Mark Langdon's Culinary Adventures in Korea
39:26 to 41:20
A humorous recount of Mark Langdon's food experiences during a trip to Korea.
“that it's just reports at the moment that Nagelmann's getting the boot, but he will get the boot.”
Post-Match Reflections and Casual Banter
42:00 to 43:47
The hosts engage in light-hearted conversation about food and dieting during the tournament.
“Just sadly looking at his Honey Nut Cheerios here, which have been untouched in the kitchen since.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Max Rushden:This is The Guardian.
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0:47Jonathan Wilson:Hello and welcome to the Guardian Football Weekly, a belter of a game between Portugal and Croatia. Snicko spotting the ball, brushing a Croatian head. The ball didn't deviate, but their last gasp equalizer was ruled out. There'd already been drama and injury time, a brilliant header from a Portuguese centre-forward not called Cristiano. If only Wilson was on today to talk about his lack of pressing. Roberto Martinez made that substitution and it paid off, so surely the final World Cup for those legends Modric and Perisic, they weren't even that tired. That sets up an Iberian derby with Spain.
1:15Jonathan Wilson:Spain, good. Austria, not as good. An emphatic victory. Oya Zabel was excellent. It was all very straightforward. Equally easy for Switzerland, a goal in each half, while Algeria didn't do a lot. We'll look ahead to tomorrow. Can the Socceroos get past Egypt? How low will Ghana's low block be against Colombia? Can Messi get out of Pico Lopez's pocket? You'll never guess what today's correspondence is about. We'll take your questions. And that's today's Guardian Football Weekly.
1:40Jonathan Wilson:On the panel today in Dallas, Jonathan Wilson. Hello. How are you doing? Barry Glendening, welcome.
1:46Max Rushden:I will miss Perisic and Modric. I will not miss your joke about them being tired, Max. Hello. Okay.
1:54Jonathan Wilson:Thanks so much. All feedback welcomed from listeners as well. Archie Rentutt, how are you? Hey, Max. And if you're unhappy with Archie or are you okay? I'm all good, but I mean, relishing the tension between the two of you still. I thought we were fine until a minute ago. Anyway, for the YouTube viewers, we're broadcasting from our bedrooms. So Barry gets really annoyed. He could just walk out of shot, into shot, hit me in the face and then walk back again. Because it's awfully late here. We'll begin with Portugal's win over Croatia. It was a great game. and right at the end, that offside call, the last minute of extra time, it feels, Wilson, so cruel on Croatia.
2:34Jonathan Wilson:I mean, third umpire Marias Erasmus rocked and rolled it many times, but I guess the chip in the ball is right, but it doesn't look like it deviates.
2:44Barry Glendenning:Yeah, I mean, it's a tiny little blip, but the blip is there, and if you trust technology, I guess it did flick Mantanovic's head, and therefore Pasolic was offside. So I guess it's better we get these right, even if they're borderline calls. But I quite have enjoyed an extra half hour of that, to be honest. I was really enjoying it. It was a much better game than I was anticipating.
3:06Jonathan Wilson:Yeah, it was a great game. Andy says, with hair pulling, only worth a yellow card. Is it? And now a last second goal chalked off for flicking a Croatian head of hair. We're going to see military-style shaved heads moving forward in football. Is this the marginal gain we've been waiting for? It was just such an agonising end. Barry and as Wilson said the game was I thought this was brilliant game yeah it was really
3:29Max Rushden:entertaining both teams went all out to win I think Portugal were probably the worthy winners but the manner in which Croatia lost was did seem very harsh I mean me knowing nothing about the rules. I thought that as soon as the ball hit Vega on its way off Matanovic's head, that meant the player was offside, but apparently it doesn't because apparently he didn't deliberately hit it, which I would say is open to question. But anyway, sad to see Croatia go out, but I do think Portugal deserves to go through.
4:11Jonathan Wilson:In those disallowed goals, the Susich one was particularly unfair because he put the ball up his shirt because he's presumed he's having a baby. And then Ruben Diaz just smacked it out of his shirt and said, no, offside, play on. I mean, the moment that counted, Archie, is the header from Gonzalo Ramos. It's a brilliant cross and it's a brilliant header. Before we talk about who wasn't heading the ball at that time, we should congratulate Ramos for being there and scoring that goal. Yeah, the whip and dip from Rafael Liao, who, as a kind of segue into Cristiano, it should be said that he was one of the few who went against team orders and had a shot from outside the box, which I thought helped to ignite a better passage of play from Portugal as well.
4:55and Liao is also somebody who is known for being mercurial. I think he played a key role in this. Also, I have to credit Diogo Costa, who I think is very much in the running for saves of the tournament, though as we were watching earlier on Fox, we had the Count from Sesame Street who had made the top five and Diogo Costa wasn't in there. But I think for his save against Colombia from John Cordoba, he could be in there. This, for me, was the save of the tournament because it was just the brush of the fingers from Mateo Kovacic. And also, he's just... He's got this quite endearing manner when he's rushing out, where it looks like he's trying to open the oven with some oven gloves, his technique.
5:41I don't know why that sticks in my mind, but yeah.
5:43Jonathan Wilson:I mean, oven gloves that are connected would not be good for goalkeeper gloves, would they? I thought Kovacic was absolutely brilliant today. But it does bring us... the fact that Ramos was on the pitch, he wasn't brought on for Ronaldo. Martinez made four changes, didn't take Ronaldo off, then took Ronaldo off in the 80th minute. And we have been critical of Ronaldo, we've been critical of Martinez-Wilson, but I suppose it is still brave to take him off at a moment where that might be his last kick of a ball at a World Cup. Do you agree or disagree?
6:12Barry Glendenning:Well, at a moment where Bert Martinez wants to chop it down NASA next season, it's brave. But you'd like to think that international football doesn't work like that. I mean, how brave is it? Sorry, how brave is it? Four years ago in Le Salle, Portugal beat Switzerland 6-1 in the last 16 and Fernando Santos left out Ronaldo for Gonzalo Ramos who scored a hat-trick. And I wrote a piece saying, this is the end for Ronaldo at his national level and good riddance. Two years later in Frankfurt, after Ronaldo had missed a penalty against Slovenia and uh portugal went through on penalties i wrote the same piece and the great news is that portugal spain game is in dallas and so we get the third in the trilogy i've written him off in lucille i've written him off in frankfurt and i'll write him off in dallas because until that offside goal
7:09Jonathan Wilson:barry he had i mean he takes that goal brilliantly but he had done nothing apart from occasionally get in someone's way in the minutes before, in the whole game before that moment. There's plenty to be critical of him in this game.
7:24Max Rushden:That finish was sublime, the goal that was ruled out. But apart from that, he was getting in other players' way. Other players seem beholden to pass to him rather than take on better opportunities of their own. He's not involved in any decent link-up play. Obviously doesn't press. And he insists on taking free kicks. The one he took today, he hit straight into the wall and caught someone right in the crackers.
7:58Jonathan Wilson:Yes, he caught Pongratich. And you could get caught right in the Pongratichs, I think. It's fair to say.
8:06Max Rushden:So that finish aside, which ultimately counted for nothing, he was once again a bit of a liability.
8:14Jonathan Wilson:Yeah. So actually the point is in the next game against Spain, what does this mean? Does this mean Martinez can take him off a bit earlier? I think Jonathan was very nice to you when you used the word brave about Roberto Martinez. Brave would have been dropping him given everything that's happened. Brave is not taking him off at that point. It was long overdue. And look, even the way that Roberto Martinez took him off, it had to be by stealth. He had to make the quadruple sub first and then have Ramos on the pitch already being like, well, I'm not taking off directly for Ramos. This is a side manoeuvre here.
8:53A distraction, I think, is what I was looking for. So, yeah. Does he have to start him? Such is the relationship he's built. He does. but the whole permanent birthday kid routine is going to continue.
9:07Jonathan Wilson:In the first half, I was watching Budimir and I thought he played pretty well. He was taken off at half-time for Croatia. I was just thinking if you had a player who stretched to play like that for Portugal, it would just give that midfield so much more than they had. I don't know why I'm telling you. I don't know why I'm coming to you. You know this, Wilson. You don't need to tell you this. Let me just write this down.
9:24Barry Glendenning:This sounds quite useful. Guys, do that again.
9:29Jonathan Wilson:Can I ask you about Croatia then, Wilson? Because I don't know. This must be the end for Modric, who has an amazing career. Perisic, who scored today. Kovacic, unbelievably, is only 32, so he might be back. They were sort of heroic in this game. They defended brilliantly for a lot of it. Their keeper is excellent, much like Costa was excellent. Kovacic was brilliant. And they gave a lot to this football match.
9:51Barry Glendenning:And they were actually weirdly more open, more progressive than I think they usually are. I mean, Blaswell Cup, which felt like the dying embers of the 2018 team, they kept on clinging on in games, suddenly getting an equaliser when they needed. I mean, that game against Brazil, when they went behind, Neymar scored that really good goal an extra time, and then there was the equaliser. It was 117th minute equaliser. Then obviously they won on penalties, because Croatia always went on penalties. Did they beat Japan as well? Was that in Qatar? and I think Japan had been ahead in the game, Croatia equalised and beat them on penalties.
10:28Barry Glendenning:So the fact that they actually took the lead, I mean, that was probably their mistake. They probably should have let Portugal have the lead, then equalised and then made it one on penalties. I often think it's the Croatia, the first 20 minutes of the game is often quite bad. So, I mean, Portugal had loads of chances that first 20 minutes. It could easily have been, you know, a couple of goals up. But once they hadn't scored, you could just see that familiar Croatian pattern of them getting back into the game. I don't know if they need that length of time to sort of work out the opposition, to work out how they're going to...
10:55Barry Glendenning:I mean, it was Rafael Leal, particularly in that first quarter of the game, who's causing them problems, but they shut that down. So, yeah, it was more open than the normal, but sort of a variation on the theme.
11:11Jonathan Wilson:Is everyone happy with it? Because I've seen so much on social media, people being angry about the chip in the ball and it touching the hair. And we seem to have all just accepted this is fine. And it is fine. I don't know if that's... Well, I don't really know how this chip works.
11:24Max Rushden:I believe it's not identical to the snickle that's used in cricket. And as far as I know, in cricket, it isn't just snickle that's factored in. It's other things as well. I'm not convinced the ball touched his hair. But if computer says no, then look. Yes. Or yes, who am I to disagree? My only concern would be that from the ball was crossed and then it hit at least three different people, or didn't, two or three or possibly four different people before it got to Pasolich. But on the graphic we're showing there's only one little bump. Now, maybe I'm just being an old man who doesn't understand technology, but why aren't there several bumps?
12:21Jonathan Wilson:Well, it only hit two, didn't it? It brushed the hair and then it hits the head. So it's not a new phase of play. I'm happy if it hits. I'm happy if he connects with the header. Well, it hit.
12:30Max Rushden:So it was crossed. And then we're told it hit Maktanovic. Then it hit Vega. Then Pasolic. It got to Pasolic. So bump, bump, bump. But I may be, well, being completely stupid here. I don't understand the technology.
12:49Barry Glendenning:The bit they show from a chip in the ball, they've isolated the bit where it goes over Montanovic. There's no need to have the extra bump set, which only confuse things. You don't need a bump if you've seen someone's kicked it, like we all can see he's kicked it or headed it. And the difference in cricket is cricket's all done through the stump mics. So as long as the chip is synced up with the pictures, then I think you have to accept it's more reliable than trying to judge if it has just gently brushed somebody. I mean, how could you possibly tell from footage whether that had brushed him? And that being the case, if a chip didn't exist, probably the goal would be given.
13:30Barry Glendenning:But if it has brushed him, we've got the right decision. I mean, I think the penalty is actually not at all a clear decision. It's only not as clear as commentators seem to be saying. I mean, look, it's obviously a foul, don't get me wrong.
13:41Jonathan Wilson:Yeah. Are you saying the consistency of decisions that have been made in this World Cup? I think we've seen similar.
13:47Barry Glendenning:Well, I mean, in the Switzerland game, I can't remember who it was. It was an Algerian foul on a Swiss player. Very, very similar. Nobody even mentions it. Portugal were very, very effective at stopping the game and making sure that Jared Gillett, who I have reservations about as a referee, had time to see it. And it was, oh, it's a rugby tackle. he hasn't really sort of got his hands on him but he's not really pulling him down I know if the referee had given it fine it's a penalty but is it clear and obvious enough to go back and change it I don't know I think Croatia have the right to think they got the rough end of a couple of our decisions it is worth saying
14:29Jonathan Wilson:that tomorrow marks the one year anniversary since Diogo Jota died we've talked a lot about that in the context of Liverpool it is worth thinking about the impact that that must have had on this entire squad and there have been tributes before every Portugal game and there were after this game as well. And that will obviously give them an extra motivation to do well in this tournament. And that'll do for part one. Part two, we'll do Spain's win over Austria. Hi, Pod fans. Max here. Barry's here too. Hello. Global Weekly is supported by Gradient FC. Now, Barry, with the World Cup underway, we know player performance will be under a microscope from superstars cementing legacies to upstarts vying for big summer transfers.
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16:51Jonathan Wilson:Welcome to part two of the Guardian Football Weekly. So Spain 3, Austria 0. At the time that this game finished, I wrote only two sides of one. emphatically I guess you can say Switzerland were pretty emphatic as well but Spain's win over Austria was very impressive Archie it feels like they're just sort of getting going now in this competition I'm not completely sold on Spain yet but this was their best performance of the tournament so far because previously they'd been a bit untidy and clunky I found in in in their style overall but having Dani Olmo at number 10 finally seems to have them ticking along and there was just some of the link-up play between Yamal himself, Pedri that made them really tick along in a really good way.
17:46There was a better rhythm in winning the ball back. My doubts are about how they go down for things where I think in La Liga they would get a foul but not in this tournament and I think they could get punished against better opponents. Rodri was better in this but as we've repeated on quite a few occasions there's still not Rodri of a few years ago and Austria couldn't really cause them enough discomfort which of course on the one hand you credit Paul Kubasi and I'm Eric Laporte but there were just one or two occasions where you thought if Stefan Posh has a better touch then Spain might actually have to do something.
18:24Jonathan Wilson:It's a big gift, isn't it? Oyezebal, I want to say Olathebo, but Oyezebal had a great game. Barry, your golden boot shout got a couple today.
18:34Max Rushden:Yeah, he's on four now, so he's on, I suppose he could conceivably win. It's hard to see past Kylian Mbappe at this stage, but yeah, he's probably the most underrated of these Spanish players. One club player. I think a lot of people in Spain were unconvinced or have long been unconvinced by him and wouldn't be too bothered if he wasn't included in the squad. But I think he's proved his worth. I mean, he'd probably be leading the golden boot if he had been able to hit a baron door in the game against Cap Verde. But he failed to score against them despite having several great chances. But he's hit his stride since.
19:20Max Rushden:I thought his two finishes today were really good. He's on 17 goals in his last 17 games for Spain, I think. And I thought before the tournament he'd probably be limited to substitute appearances, but he seems to be established as a starter. And long may he continue scoring goals, hopefully loads and loads of them against Portugal.
19:45Jonathan Wilson:What do you make of Spain so far, Wilson?
19:48Barry Glendenning:I mean, that was by far the best performance. I'd allow myself to think that they weren't all that. But now I think that France-Spain semi-final we could have, that could be a team that could stop France, which I've been struggling to see. So encouraged by them. I don't think it's Austria or all that. I do wonder whether that sort of Red Bull football is maybe reaching the end of its shelf life and needs a bit more zest.
20:15Max Rushden:I wanted to ask you, you and Archie actually, Johnson, and is Ralph Rangnick, is he any good as a coach? I know he has this reputation as some super guru, but he doesn't, anything I've seen of teams, his coach has been incredibly underwhelming. I saw Austria were pathetic today. It's like they had nothing.
20:40Barry Glendenning:I mean, his great sort of flush of innovation came almost 40 years ago. So you're not seeing him at his peak. And you're judging him on his performance at Manchester United, which is difficult. It's not fair on anyone, right? Yeah. So I think there's a touch of the Bielsa's about him, that he's probably a better theorist than he is actual winner of trophies. And also he's now past his best. But if you think of Austria at the Euros, certainly early on they were quite good. I don't think it's an amazing group of Austrian players. So, I mean, I'd be slightly more generous to him than many, but I think you've got to look at what he did in German football in the 90s, really.
21:27He's very popular in Austria for the job that he's done there and has reinvigorated them as a footballing nation at international level. You have to point out with this Austria team, the injury before the tournament to Christoph Baumgartner hit them very hard. He is by far their most creative player going forward and one who can beat players with a dribble. And they were lacking that in this tournament. I thought they didn't link up in the way you would have anticipated them to. And the reason I thought they had to come out with a bit of a quick approach today where it didn't pay off. Because as much as I don't want to pay too much attention to XG all the time, they had 0.03 after an hour.
22:13and but a quick approach that's not enough is it not not really uh but a quick approach i think suited them because of how they can press but ultimately they just weren't able to create the chances ralph rangnick's reputation in germany because he's not done it with classic traditional clubs the fact that he's built monsters in the eyes of a lot of traditional fans in hoffenheim and then much more egregiously RB Leipzig, there will never be the appreciation for his work that actually I think there could be. But yeah, in Austria, he is very much adored.
22:51Jonathan Wilson:James says, enjoying Ralf Raniot, collecting the glasses at the end of the first hydration break, like the grumpiest barmaid at Wetherspoons in Rochdale. And we're saying well done to Pedro Porro, got his first goal for Spain. And actually him and Cucurea look really quite sharp at fullback.
23:06Max Rushden:I was surprised to me and Jamal came off the pitch in one piece. He was up against Conrad Leimer and obviously came out on top in that particular battle, but I think he nut-made five different Austria players during the course of the game. And I was thinking, it's only a matter of time, right? They're going to accept we've lost this game. We're being totally overwhelmed here. But let's at least give this guy a kicking around the pitch because he's making us look like mugs. but maybe they just couldn't catch him. I don't know.
23:39Jonathan Wilson:You've been worried actually that he hadn't quite shown up until today and he was, you know, he was good but he's still not, I guess a lot of superstars have lit up this tournament and he hasn't quite yet. Yes, that was it. It was in comparison to the other leading lights and obviously Laminya Mile came into this tournament carrying an injury and is having to work his way back which is not ideal when you're looking to get off to a running start. But he is looking like he's picking up more and more pace as the games go on, which can only be a good thing for Spain. In Bob the Cat Watch, Danny Murphy was back on comms for the BBC today.
24:15Jonathan Wilson:And he said, surprisingly, there was a lot of interest. We did get him back about six or seven weeks later. This is the cat that jumped in the Royal Mail van. Danny said, unfortunately, he'd gone feral and we couldn't reintegrate him in the home. He ended up living with my friend's parents in Preston. That was the life he had. And now he's passed away, unfortunately. thanks for all the concern to those that have been messaging us i have i have asked danny if there'll be a trilogy it's got two ticks they haven't gone blue let me just check if danny murphy is a two if he's a blue tick guy uh he is a blue tick guy they've gone blue but as yet nothing back from danny so i'll i'll keep you in the loop i mean i don't know what the next bit of the story can be he's kind of told the story and in uh it's a two-act play the bob the cat
24:59Max Rushden:story but um well it could be an incredible journey type oh yeah story where bob makes his way back to shay murphy from preston true all on his lonesome he is dead now so that will make it
25:15Jonathan Wilson:harder okay yeah but you never know uh anyway uh we're doing that's only one of his lives that's
25:22Max Rushden:expired.
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27:01Jonathan Wilson:Welcome to part three of the Guardian Football Weekly. So Switzerland 2, Algeria 0. I'm not saying this wasn't the game of the day, but the entire production team spent the whole match doing their expenses, which is quite complicated, it appears. What did you make of it, Wilson? All tournament have been a bit disappointed by Algeria.
27:15Barry Glendenning:I think Ibrahim Mazza is a really, really good player. And you kept seeing lovely little passes from him. And then you just let in daft goals and none of it means anything. And that's been the story in the group stage as well. Every game, there's been at least one stupid goal they've conceded. I mean, the first goal here is Manzambi. It's a great run, cuts it back for Mbolo. But the second goal, they give the ball away twice. They have two opportunities to clear it. And each time they give it back to a Swiss player. and Dori scores. And I mean, really, Algeria just didn't look like, after the second goal winning, Algeria just didn't look anything
27:55Jonathan Wilson:like getting close to getting back into the game. Are you as annoyed with the African teams as Asasu was yesterday? I mean, he's very frustrated about them getting through to the last 32, but like a lot of them giving away silly goals, giving away leads, et cetera, et cetera.
28:09Barry Glendenning:I don't think I've ever been as annoyed as Asasu is.
28:14Jonathan Wilson:i mean there was the first step of this series at the world cup that's my evidence i i i was i
28:21Barry Glendenning:shared an airbnb with a sasu in yamasuka in um in in ivory coast and i i was awakened we the game we had finished late and then something to do with sharing lifts we'd have to go and get food for somebody so i didn't get to bed till like 2 a.m or something and at about half five i was awakened by it because here is sassy and a lot of african housing have like tiled floors so the sound really carries and reverberates and somebody had stolen or he had mislaid his ipad and he was on the phone i think there's insurance company or possibly to to calf and i just for like an hour all i could hear was a sassy kind of expressing his frustration at the loss of the ipad and uh Despite being deeply tired, I could not get back to sleep.
29:11Barry Glendenning:What was the question? The question was... Yes, that was the question. Well, look, I think given that CAF for years have been campaigning saying five slots out of 32 was not sufficient when they have 55 members, they've ended up with 10 because DRC got the additional one through the inter-confederational playoffs. They really needed at least five teams to get through, and they got nine through. So that's great. You know, it's the teams who haven't lived up to the previous slots are the Asian teams and the CONCACAF teams. Combo and UEFA hit exactly their slots, five and 13. But none of them topped their group and I suspect we're going to end up with only Morocco going through.
29:54Barry Glendenning:And that feels like not much has changed. I think two got through in Qatar, none got through in Russia, one got through in Brazil, one got through in South Africa, one got through in Germany one got through in Japan and Korea and I think it's going to be one again so should they be doing better I don't know, I don't know why they I mean Ridi Garcia touched on this and he moved to clarify what he'd said that he said teams like this don't know how to finish off games and the question was asked was he referring to African teams was it a racist statement he went no no I just mean teams of this level who are not familiar with being in this situation.
30:34Barry Glendenning:And you do feel, you know, Ivory Coast, they're ahead against Germany, they don't finish it off. They get level against Norway, the momentum's with them, and they don't finish it off. Senegal are in an amazing position against Belgium and don't finish it off. And that not finishing it off is a recurring pattern. And I don't know if it's just lack of strength in depth that they don't have a place to bring off a bench. I don't know if there is something tactical going on that maybe an inexperience in those knockout games which means they aren't able to see those games through. But it does feel like a great opportunity to get four or five sides through the last 16 has been missed at this tournament.
31:07Jonathan Wilson:Archie, we should talk about Switzerland. Johan Manzambi, as Wilson mentioned, is a brilliant run. We were all like, he's taking it too far, but he got it. And Bolo really shouldn't have run the other way. He should have gone to say thanks, mate, for that. But he plays for Freiburg, so tell us a little bit about him. He is dynamite. He had a breakout season with Freiburg, been playing mostly in central midfield for them. But as you can see, he can do it all. He is a body-pop dribbler in that his arms are going in all kinds of directions. There was a tackle, actually, that he did in a Bundesliga game against Granit Xhaka when Xhaka was at Leverkusen the season before, where Murat Yakin saw him and said, I like that, I like that a lot that he will do that to his national teammate, who is much his senior.
31:54and he has changed Switzerland's World Cup around. Before he came on against Bosnia, it looked like they were slinking towards a very disappointing tournament and he's also replaced Jordan Shaqiri, which is no small feat either. He was the person that Switzerland would turn to if things were going wrong up front, but he has magic feat, so quick, particularly for that goal and an especially sweet victory for Switzerland as well because also against their former coach, Vladimir Petkovic, who was there from 2014 to 2021, helped mastermind that victory of the century, as they put it, in Switzerland against France in the 2021 Euros.
32:36But here, Murat Jakin, who is a different kind of character to Petkovic, a bit more relaxed, he found the right formula. That's not always been the case in key moments for Switzerland, so credit to him and excited to see more Johan Manzambi. He is going to leave Freiburg for a lot of money we expect this summer and with each assist, with each goal, they are adding on millions of euros.
33:02Jonathan Wilson:No small feet to replace Shaqiri, but of course you can't have small feet with calves like Shaqiri, can you? Unless you've got any strong thoughts on this game, Bas, we can look ahead to tomorrow?
33:12Max Rushden:Well, I think with the possible exception of Johan Wissi yesterday, Fabian Reeder had the miss of the tournament for Switzerland towards the end of this game. It didn't matter in the end, but a gaping goal just to side foot home from a couple of yards out. And he somehow took his eye off the ball, caught it with his heel and just rolled it across the face. A goal into the grateful arms of Zidane Jr., Luka Zidane, who was in goal for Algeria.
33:45Jonathan Wilson:It was some miss. tomorrow then Australia, Egypt, Argentina, Cape Verde, Colombia, Ghana, you're going to the Australia-Egypt game, so you think Australia are favourites for this Wilson?
33:54Barry Glendenning:I suppose that's the logical conclusion of me saying I think only one team's going through I still can't get my head around Hossam Hassan being a half decent coach, because I've read Ahmed Hassan and I've read Esam Al-Adari slagging him off so much, and they weren't impressive at all at the Cup of Nations they've done fine in this tournament, I mean it's probably 50 50 this game but i wouldn't have any great confidence in them i don't know if you saw the scenes when egypt arrived as well there was um uh some very unnecessarily heavy-handed policing that there was a egypt player getting a selfie with a with a small child and on either side of a barrier so i think anybody was in the wrong place and um shall we say a stereotypical texan policeman decided to get involved and then ibrahim hassan the twin brother of hassan who famously once in the game grabbed a rifle of a policeman when he was pointed in this direction.
34:47Barry Glendenning:He showed absolutely no fear in screaming back. So you just had two large bald-headed men screaming at each other, one wearing a police uniform, one wearing the black T-shirt of the Egypt national team.
34:58Jonathan Wilson:Right, I see. Like two Ross Kemps both celebrating Harry Kane goals against each other. Right, OK. Columbia, Ghana, Baz.
35:06Max Rushden:Sorry, Mo Salah is apparently a doubt for this game. Yeah, he's in his feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fine.
35:16Jonathan Wilson:Columbia-Ghana, I mean, this, Barry, we expect will be the lowest of low blocks against Columbia, who have looked really quite exciting so far.
35:23Max Rushden:Really exciting. They're one of the most entertaining teams in this tournament and a lot of people think they could go a long, long way and possibly get to the final. I would expect them to beat Ghana but who knows Antoine Semenu was a doubt I believe he is fit and will play it's hard to see past Colombia in this one and I think the tournament would benefit if they advanced instead of Ghana
35:56Jonathan Wilson:Breaking news here no need for a voice note Hi Pod fans, Max here the pod was recorded before actually during Union Nagelsmann was fired by Germany, Archie, or unsurprised, I imagine, Jürgen Klopp, the main candidate to replace him. Julian Nagelsmann continually put himself centre stage and not the players. He was always forthcoming, whether it was pieces which were about him, which seemed to have been fed to the press, or himself talking about how reflective he was in his actions. And yet the problem was that his actions never showed that. It was only in the words. And he showed how out of loop he was with people back home in how he communicated after the game against Paraguay.
36:49He sounded like he'd just lost a normal game, not that this was the absolute disaster and catastrophe that it was for Germany to go out of a third World Cup in such disappointing circumstances. He's failed now, mentioning Hoffenheim and Leipzig again, he's failed now at Bayern and at Germany and I think it shows that in a tough environment he still has lots to learn. He hasn't proven himself outside of those controlled environments of Hoffenheim and Leipzig. There have been reports about poor communication with the players at this tournament, sending them WhatsApp voice notes to try and communicate things rather than talking to them.
37:31He is not solely responsible for German football being in a tricky spot right now, but he definitely didn't help himself and this had to happen. It would be incredible if Jurgen Klopp doesn't take over now. right
37:50Jonathan Wilson:on Gianni was chatting about England's win over DR Congo potentially saying the quiet bit out loud about hydration breaks he said after an intense start to both halves England used their hydration breaks well to regroup reorganize and get on the front foot before finding the net twice in the final 15 minutes these breaks are so important to give players a break during tournament play while also allowing all coaches a dedicated moment every match not just depending on the weather conditions to engage directly with their players he's previously said Wilson they are for player welfare um you you've been to a lot of games however you found them um awful and one of the things that
38:27Barry Glendenning:offends me is i realized i'd often i often would say things like the first quarter of a game and it used to be fine and now you're not allowed to say it that annoys me i've had to change how i i speak but yeah it just ruins the rhythm i think there clearly are games that have been changed by by the breaks. And if that is how we want football to be, that's fine. But there should probably be a discussion about it rather than just sort of, let's do this because Power Raider offers loads of cash.
38:55Max Rushden:I mean, they're quite clearly not for player welfare. They're so that TV networks can have commercial breaks. And I don't know if Gianni has noticed this, but there has always been a designated time for managers to have tactical interventions during games, and that is after 45 minutes. They get 15 minutes to impart any new wisdom they may wish to impart.
39:24Jonathan Wilson:Yeah, I should say, by the way, that it's just reports at the moment that Nagelmann's getting the boot, but he will get the boot. We all imagine it's going to happen. But yeah, no official statement as yet. In other England hotel news, they won't need decoy hotels or Harry Kane hiding in a laundry basket because they're going to have roadblocks outside their hotel, apparently.
39:46Barry Glendenning:But how will anybody be able to tell if there's a roadblock in Mexico City? Nothing moves anyway. But the whole city's one enormous roadblock.
39:54Jonathan Wilson:So that's to our advantage, isn't it? Thomas Tuchel's saying he's a bit frustrated that England wanted to fly on the day of the game or the day before because they have to have an open training session. They have to go tomorrow. So they'll be in that middle ground of not having enough time to acclimatize, but enough time to all be absolutely exhausted and not be able to breathe ahead of that game. So that is something to look forward to. And we'll finish on this from Tom. Quite a long email, but it is on the subject of Mark Langdon and vegetables. Of course it is. Hi, guys. Former colleague and good friend of Lango's here.
40:29Jonathan Wilson:lang and i went on a work trip to south korea in december 2024 as the korean speaker and former seoul residence i was in charge of food which gave me great delight not that you need it but i can confirm mark is very averse to his veggies but in fairness he gave pretty much everything i put in front of him a try at la's request i got a video of him eating kimchi and his reaction was every bit as funny as you can imagine whilst not saying it in front of my korean friends he later described it and put it down in writing in his excellent column from Seoul as rancid. The national dish of kimchi is rancid and Koreans have it with everything.
41:02Jonathan Wilson:It's the same story with rice, kimchi and plain white rice for breakfast, lunch and dinner. If anyone is looking to head to Dragon's Den with a business idea, may I suggest taking gravy to Korea, where a revolution of wet flavoursome rice could take place. A good career move for Mr. Bisto would be to hit Korea hard. However, it was by no means all bad and a few shots of soju made most things better. He was nothing but polite when declining food from our hosts, but when one particular meeting ran very long, he was like a naughty schoolboy messaging me under the table to inform me, need to go to McDonald's after this, there's one 900 meters away next to the uni.
41:37Jonathan Wilson:We took him there and he got his regular meal and then added a spicy shrimp burger, which he proclaimed was the best thing he ate in the country. As expected, he loved the Korean barbecue and was far more adventurous than expected. I've seen him order Korean fried chicken in a bar in London since we got back. Top bloke. Get him back on ASAP. All the best, Tom. Thank you, Tom. Yeah, footballweeklyattheguardian.com if you have seen Mark eating a vegetable or anything else you'd like to message us about. That'll do for today. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Barry. Thank you. Thanks, Archie. Just sadly looking at his Honey Nut Cheerios here, which have been untouched in the kitchen since.
42:12Thank you, Mark.
42:13Jonathan Wilson:That is bleak. Thank you, Wilson.
42:16Barry Glendenning:Vegetables are really hard to come by in Dallas. I found a Whole Foods earlier. I went to the Whole Foods and it's so expensive. I spent$85 on fruit and veg. And that wasn't like a lot.
42:31Max Rushden:No, I mean, LA is insane. See also bags of M &M's, Haribo and crisps. Yeah, this is the trouble. You could easily drop$100 on enough Haribo sweets and crisps just for six blokes to get through in two days. and bear in mind all Max eats is yogurt and bird seed yeah
42:58Jonathan Wilson:Barry suggested he was winning because I eat seeds out of choice is what I said you eat seeds out of choice what's your favourite seed Max what's my favourite seed what I have I've just got hemp seeds and flax seeds in the cupboard to go on my yogurt if you're happy with them I'm a middle aged man
43:13Barry Glendenning:yeah I have them I have that great when I'm at home I would have them ground up with yogurt every morning but I'd also have some pumpkin seeds with a bit of texture.
43:21Jonathan Wilson:Yeah, no, they are good as well, aren't they? But Barry buys all these sweets because I'm going to the gym every day to be pious and he's holding me back by putting the sweets in front of me and I can't stop myself because I don't have any willpower.
43:33Barry Glendenning:Well, I've lost two kilos on this trip which is, I think, the first time ever at a tournament I've lost weight.
43:38Jonathan Wilson:Very well done. Feels like that's enough for today. Thanks, everybody. I think I've thanked you all already. It's okay. Thank you, Wilson. Cheers. Thank you. Football Weekly is produced by Rory Simon and Matt Bentley Viney. our executive producer, Joel Grove, Taya Papula. And we'll be back tomorrow.
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