Liverpool bounce back in Frankfurt and Chelsea’s teenagers thrash Ajax – Football Weekly

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0:30They needed that. Chelsea score five. Three goals from teenagers. Home to 10-man Ajax is as nice as the Champions League gets. A goalless draw for Spurs in Monaco. Guillermo Vicario to star for them on a pedestrian night. Elsewhere, Jude Bellingham gets off the mark and there's another Harry Kane goal and a cracker from a German wunderkind for Bayern. We'll look ahead to the Premier League weekend. West Ham leads on Friday. Looks big. Also at the bottom, Sean Deich begins at Bournemouth. And could Manchester United win three in a row? Brighton stand in their way. We'll do all that. There's a big AirPods update.

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1:06On the panel today, Lars Siverton, hello. Hello, Max. Welcome, Nicky Bandini. Morning. And hello, Barry Glendening. Hello, Max Rushton. Let's begin in Frankfurt, then Eintracht 1, Liverpool 5. Frankfurt did take the lead, so I guess, Barry, credit to Liverpool, given the form that they're in, that they turned it around and then, in the end, ran away with it. When Frankfurt took the lead, I was sort of thinking, ooh, here we go, this is interesting, because the five defeats in a row was very much on for Liverpool, and it was a really, really good goal with which Frankfurt took the lead. Florian Wurz losing the ball at the far end of the pitch, near the corner flag, and Frankfurt just played their way through the Liverpool press with ease, and Rasmus Christensen cut inside, shoots through Andy Robertson's legs and his shot went in off the post.

2:00It was a really, really good opening goal by Frankfurt. That was it as far as they were concerned, really. Liverpool lined up. Mo Salah was dropped. Obviously, this was the big story ahead of kick-off. There was no Ryan Gravenberch. He didn't travel because he was injured. So, Slott set up in a 4-4-2 with Gagpo left, West Central and Eketika Wright and Sabazla and Jones were the two sitters. Liverpool just won at a canter from that point. Two goals from set pieces. Florian Wurz played a part in setting up two. He got his two assists. I suppose if you wanted to be cynical and really anti-Florian Wurz you could say, ah, but he can only perform in Germany.

2:43But it was a good performance from him. Mo Salah came on and I think was trying a bit too hard. He was a little bit selfish. But a pretty straightforward win for Liverpool in the end and one, I'd imagine, which brought them great relief. Yeah. I mean, Ekotiki took his goal so well last. Frankfurt's defending is odd to allow him to be cleaned through there, you know, when they're 1-0 up. But he is the real bright spot. I loved his non-celebration while running, running back to the centre circle celebration. But he has been the bright spark of these new signings. He has, and word was after the game that Izak came off at halftime because of a hamstring thing that he's not 100 % fit, and that might make things a little easier for Arnestloft over the next couple of weeks, because I do think he has to start Iketiki now.

3:31Like, I don't... It starts to become slightly silly if he was going to persist on not prioritizing Iketiki, because he looks so much sharper. I have to say, I saw the lineup, and then I was, you know, my primary focus was on a different game, but I had the sort of rolling goal updates, on a different screen. So I saw the lineup and I saw that Frankfurt had scored. And I looked again at the lineup and I thought, huh, is it possible that our boy Arne has gone a little too Dutch here? Because I feel like this is a thing with some Dutch coaches is that they do tend to occasionally forget that you need to win the ball back as well.

4:03That is also a thing. So you look at it, you have Soboslai. Soboslai is a good old, yeah, got a good engine and is all right physically. But he is more attacking than defensive, you'd say. Next to Curtis Jones, who's a good passer, but maybe not like a huge physical presence. And then four attackers in front of that back four with all that sort of stuff. So I thought when Frankfurt had scored, I was prepared, oh wow, we're going to have this sort of thing. But the very odd Frankfurt defending, as you say, I mean, that's the best way of describing them this season. They're scoring a loss, but also conceding a ton of goals.

4:39Also just extremely helpful to score these set piece goals. I mean, I think, listen, Slott was making these points after the game about how, yeah, we didn't play that much better or worse than we've done on the other games. And yeah, we score a couple of goals and it helps. There's some truth to that. I do still wonder, is this a sensible way of setting up the team against a little bit more physically capable teams in the Premier League who are a little bit more better organized? I'm not entirely convinced. But against Frankfurt, certainly, as we saw it, it came off. I do think that odd feels like one of those delightfully English phrasings of how we're going to say really, really badly, really, really badly.

5:20And it's not new, right? It's the thing when you saw that first goal go in for Frankfurt. It was such a nice goal. And I thought Mario Götze in the buildup. I don't think he started a game all season for Frankfurt before this one. So it felt a bit like vintage Goethe on the turn and just doing what he wanted in the middle of the three quarters. The fact that Frankfurt are not good at the back is not news. They've conceded 18 goals in seven Bundesliga games. I mean, that is some going in seven games to concede 18 goals. They've also scored 19 in seven Bundesliga games. So they have been good going forward.

5:57But the defending is atrocious. and actually this game finished 5-1 and I think you almost could still have said that their goalkeeper, etc. had an okay game. He made some saves. It could easily have been more than five. They really were completely just non-present at the back, it felt like. Yeah, it's mad that their three results have been 5-1 either way. It's just an odd quirk. It'd be great if they went through the whole thing, either winning 5-1 or losing 5-1. I mean, they've had one game this season when they lost 3-0 to Bayern. That was the lowest scoring game they've been involved with.

6:31Every other game has had four goals or more, which is mad. Like, if anyone does any kind of betting on this sort of stuff, it's a wild run. People at the Waldstadion definitely getting the... Is it the Waldstadion? I think it is. Getting full value for their tickets. And that's why, like, I don't want to... It was a much-needed win for Liverpool, obviously. It was really important to snap this sort of run. and it would be churlish to sit here and kind of urinate on that particular parade. But it's also like I'm not 100 % sure what they did in this game will work. But good for confidence, good for Virch to get some assists.

7:08Everyone feels good and yeah. Does everyone feel good? And the same as you, I don't want to take away from it because great win, right? You won 5-1 in Europe, you win 5-1 in Europe. It's a great result. But I suppose the thing that inevitably we're drawn to talking about because of the transfer fee and because we talk about Strikas too much as well, even in that five goals Isaac doesn't score again right and Isaac doesn't score again does that become a little I don't know further further thing that's going to get brought up I guess that is the question well I mean I suppose it is true if you have Barry Isaac and Wirtz and Wirtz did play well you know did get two assists even if you can only do it in Germany which is an issue in most of the games are in England isn't it but you know if you've got 200 million empowered players that don't work but we've just seen it so many times i've said it before but you look at the list of of most expensive transfers there's just no guarantee at all and i suppose what you have to do as a manager and it must be really hard is if you look at an isak's injury you're right last makes a difference here but if you look at both of them you say well who's playing better at the moment who's better for me i don't care if they're an academy product or they cost a billion pounds i have to go with who the pressure to play someone who costs that much money is huge There's no guarantee that the exact transfer will work out.

8:21And I guess there's probably no end of people on Tyne's side who really hope it doesn't. And you can't blame them for that. He is a very, very good player. I don't think he's in the same class as Mbappe, Haaland or Harry Kane, but he is a very good player. He's probably in the class below them. he's probably going to have a couple of weeks on the sideline now with that, I don't know if it's a groin or a hammy. It is very difficult to leave out Eketike, who has hit the ground running for Liverpool, whereas Izak has done nothing of the kind. I think what's interesting as well is Sabah's life was superb last night and has been superb most of the season.

9:04I think we all thought when Verts came, that would hugely reduce Sabah's life's number of minutes, but he's more or less made himself undroppable. Probably helped a little by the fact that Alexis McAllister is not playing well this season. But he's played right back a lot, hasn't he? Yeah, he has. So he didn't last night. Frimpong played right back. He did his hammy and then Bradley came on. Sabaslai has more or less made himself indispensable wherever he plays. I checked in Barry's right. It was a groin, not a hamstring on Isaac, as I said. But the thing that was interesting, if I am wrong, which has been known to happen, if I am wrong and this sort of setup can work perfectly well in England as well, raises the question of where it leaves Mo Salah.

9:52Because he wasn't in the lineup and it seemed to work quite well. And then he came on and had that moment, which Barry referred to earlier, where maybe he was trying a little too hard to get his goal and he should have squared it. And I, again, not watching the full 90 minutes, my first sort of experience of this chance was through the internet, where I saw people going off on various things on social media about, oh, it's the second game in a row, he hasn't squared it to anyone. And one of my current hobby horses is about how, like, things are bad on the social media. So I was immediately, ah, I'm sure it wasn't that big a deal.

10:23And then I actually saw it and go, oh, yeah, that does look a little bad. Because that was a very clear, like, very clearly should have squared it, second game in a row. Do you think maybe the pressure, maybe he is feeling a little bit because they brought in these expensive strikers, because he's gotten a year older. Maybe he is now mentally a little out of whack and things are not flowing for him perhaps. Maybe he is actually trying a little hard. Before we move on to Stamford Bridge, I did like yesterday, Virgil van Dijk is doing ads for Expedia. and it's the theme of the ad is Virgil's family holiday so it's Virgil and two kids I think they might be his kids you never actually see their faces they're always conveniently covered by a book or something Virgil's not a bad actor is that right he has good acting chops I was I because I saw oh this is going to be terrible but he he the man can act he has another string to his bow he could go full the buff as yeah he was in the the stephen hawking uh biopic as a surgeon and so you know it cuts to frank labeuf and half the cinema are like it's just a french actor like mrs rushton and half of us are going what's frank labeuf doing there this is ridiculous um so to stanford bridge chelsea 5 ix 1 the ix had a man sent off after 17 minutes sort of you know fair decision perhaps unlucky i don't think he intended it but probably the right call and then it was very plain sailing, Nicky, wasn't it, for Chelsea?

11:58Yeah, I was watching this back after and the red card is a red card for me. Taylor's studs are up, they go into a shin, that's a red card. It's kind of as simple as that. It might be that you didn't intend to do it, but that is dangerous play and that's the rule. And for good reason, by the way. So you have that start away at Stamford Bridge and then by the time the second goal goes in 10 minutes later, which is a big deflection. And you just see everyone's body language. And it's raining, by the way, as well. It's raining. You're 2-0 down. You've had someone sent off. You've had a rotten deflection.

12:34And if anything, I think it was sort of credit to Ajax that they didn't completely give up at that moment. And they did get a goal back to 2-1 and made something for a brief moment. I feel like it could happen. But then, I mean, the Veghals challenge for the Chelsea penalty is just terrible. It's so funny, isn't it? Can you say it was raining for him? What I really liked about the Veghorst challenge for the penalty, it was like the most blatant penalty you've ever seen. I mean, it's a protest of innocence. I got the ball. There was a lot of this, wasn't there? A lot of round ball motion. You're like, okay, Val, I think you went through the player completely before.

13:18But it was nice to see 10 minutes of Val Veghorst scoring a penalty and then giving one away. Chelsea made lots of changes last 10. And it's very hard to keep up with, you know, all of Chelsea's players. Reggie Walsh has become the youngest ever Champions League player for Chelsea. 17 years and two days. Pink, so what, was number one when Reggie was born. So I got to watch that on YouTube this morning. Second youngest Englishman behind Jack Walsh to ever play in the Champions League. Three teenagers scoring. So it's quite, Chelsea are just, they're interesting. They're very hard to work out. But they are quite interesting.

13:52Well, that is the thing. As much as we have all made fun of the Toad Bully Blue Co. ownership for their very scattergun approach to recruitment and some of the more weird things that have gone on at that club since they took over, the big caveat to that has always been they have actually signed a lot of really exciting young players. And there are some questions about how would they have made more sense as a team if they had a couple more experienced heads in there, is the balance, yada, yada, yada. but there's a lot of good ones like Esteban looks like an actual like proper world star in the making to me you're seeing now I mean they paid a lot of money for them when they came and it took them a little while but I think both Quesedo and Enzo Fernandez are starting to look like actual proper world-class midfielders I know Quesedo played right back in this game but they look outstanding I mean Gittins I thought was lively from the highlights in this one he's another dribbly guy like there's a lot of quality players in there it's not always the easiest job in the world, I think, for Maresca to figure out what the best XI is, but I do think out of this sort of chaotic first couple of years of Blue Co, I would not be surprised if a genuinely brilliant football team were to grow out of that chaos.

15:02And can somebody tell me how to pronounce not Mark Gay? Because it does sound like a computer game who don't have the rights. Mark Gou, who scored the opening goal for them. I would say, I don't think it would have made the slightest difference the result. I thought Tosin Adarabio was very lucky not to get sent off. He was on a yellow he fell after an aerial challenge with Vout and I think deliberately brought his foot down very hard with the intention of connecting, not necessarily with his face, but that's what he did he drew blood. Vout being Vout didn't make a massive issue out of it, but he didn't come out for the second half.

15:45But I think the 5-1 actually flattered Ajax because Estevão had four very presentable chances, well, three very presentable chances and a bicycle kick towards the end of this game, didn't manage to score any of them. And it's just, it's a shame to see Ajax just seem to have fallen so far. I think they're nine points off the pace in the Premier League. They had that collapse last season when they Devon locked it in the title race. they've got Veghorst up front for the first half Davy Classen up front for the second their goalkeeper is 41 years old and to be fair he didn't do much wrong it was two penalties, two hideously deflected shots went past him but Ajax look a real mess yeah, I mean that was the thing I wanted to add like as much as this was a fun day at the office for the Chelsea kids Ajax are terrible there were four draws in the first nine which is disgraceful So like nine points behind Feyenoord already.

16:47Only one win in the last seven now. And I would expect Johnny Heitiger to not be in that job as soon as they figure out what else they're doing because it's just absolutely not working. Given the ages of the people playing up front, you know, and them getting progressively more defensive, perhaps he'll go there. Just on the ages thing, I mean, this is completely stolen, I think, from Jacob Steinberg's match report. But yeah, Chelsea had Mark Gui, as we were just saying. Sorry, Baz, how did I pronounce it wrong? Please correct me. Thank you. Mark Gui was Chelsea's youngest scorer in the competition at 19 and 291 days for 28 minutes.

17:27Then Estaval overtakes him at 18 years, 181 days. And then Tyreek George doesn't actually overtake anyone, but also would have overtaken Mark Gui. So a pretty extraordinary night for Chelsea. And Jacob was invoking this idea as well of Ajax were always a team whose academy was what sustained them and made them brilliant and made them the envy of Europe. And a bit one of those nights that reflects the shifted reality because Chelsea now, partly through construction, partly through just being able to hoover up the best talents from around the world, can go out and put a team out that is younger, the youngest in this year's Champions League and can play with that much swagger.

18:07And yeah, I mean, I agree that Ajax really weren't good. But I do think that was one of those nights I think we'll look back on and go, yeah, there was a team of kids developing there that's potentially quite special. Tottenham's first goal is draw in 125 games since the same result against AC Milan in March of 2023. Lars, you had the pleasure, as I did, of watching this game in full. About 70 minutes in, the commentator for the international broadcaster said it was a fascinating contest. I'm not sure that's right I mean it got better after that from a neutral's perspective because Monaco had something of a late sprint yeah no this was poor from Tottenham they created very very little and the thing that's been there been a tendency under Thomas Frank is that they've created not a lot but they've been quite solid defensively which they weren't really that either here they absolutely got they had a chance late on with Brennan Johnson who, you know, ball came into him and he finished with his weaker foot and he couldn't really get behind it.

19:12And I just thought, like, if this goes in, this will be arguably the biggest robbery committed on French soil this week.

19:22I know what you're thinking, but I'm sticking with it. No, it's good. It's good. Because really, just disgraceful stuff. From looking for positives to press, Vicario absolutely earned his corn here. He was fantastic in goal. he does have maybe some weaknesses in terms of like set pieces and like, he's not a perfect goalkeeper, but he is a genuinely brilliant sort of short range, instinctive shot stopper. And that was completely on display here. And it needed to be because Spurs were, were very underwhelming. And I think like big picture wise, listen, if you're Thomas Frank and you take over Tottenham, who were the worst non-relegated defense in the league last season, I think for him to just go, the only thing that matters here is that we need to be more solid.

20:04We need to firm up defensively. we need to get more organized everything to do with attacking and what we do in possession can kind of wait like we'll deal with that later we need to stop the rot if that's what's happened because it sure looks like that's what's happened when looking at them like they are more they have a better shape off the ball and this sort of stuff but they very often don't know what to do with it i think that would be an understandable way for frank to go about it but we are now we're almost in november so i am i'm kind of expecting the team to occasionally know what to do when they have the ball and and that doesn't seem to to be the case the Bentancur Palina midfield gives you a lot of solidity but you don't really they don't really progress the ball very well played with Lucas Bergvold as a number 10 for quite a long time here that didn't seem to work he couldn't get in the game at all Xavi Simons came on and looked kind of frustrated and detached from the rest of the team most of Tottenham's chances this season and in this game as well was the same to the extent that they created any come when they move the ball down the flank quite quickly and the wingers try to get something even if monaco eventually were very good and uh the aglius in particular was a delight to watch in this game spurs are more solid at the back but they're really not like good to watch when they have to create stuff themselves and i think i don't think it's a problem yet and i think it's kind of defensible that he's gone about it this way but i think the clock is kind of starting to tick in terms of like at some point this needs to get a little bit better.

21:26On the BBC's Champions League show, Chappers highlighted the fact that the Premier League teams in competition this week won by an aggregate score of 19-2. And Stephen Warnock, who was there as a pundit, raised a very salient point that if it wasn't for Vicario, the aggregate score would have been 19-0. I mean, I don't think you're quite doing the hiding Spurs got here justice. He was incredible. and it was an absolute robbery Alright that'll do for part one part two we'll begin at the Bernabeu

22:11Welcome to part two of the Guardian Football Weekly Real Madrid beat Juve 1-0 Nicky you were watching this producer Joel saying if you were watching the goals show like he was you'd be forgiven for thinking this game wasn't actually happening it was it was definitely was it a disappointment I had quite low expectations of Juventus in particular because I watched them well season but at the weekend against Como they were they were comprehensively outplayed by Como at the weekend so I thought there was a chance they were going to get absolutely drubbed by Madrid which didn't happen I was listening to one Italian commentator I thought put it quite well it felt like one of those old-fashioned group games where you've gone away in Europe and you're just trying to keep it tight because you think you can do better at home.

22:57And that's the thing is they're not going to play them at home because it's a new group stage. It's not really on the cards. Juventus came out in a 5-3-2. I mean, they actually started the game quite well, had a couple of half chances. And in the second half, it became what felt more like almost this Real Madrid training exercise where it wasn't just they were camped out in Juventus' half, but frankly just camped out in like the last third of the pitch. But actually, even then, Madrid were a little bit careless at times and did get too drawn up the pitch. And there was one really, really good chance for Dusan Vlaovic where he gets released and just has the whole pitch to run into and could, probably should score.

23:42And we talked about goalkeepers. Courtois did make a great save and Guillaume Bergo on that The same BBC highlights show that Baz Watch was making his case. He thinks Courtois is without exception the best in Europe in goal. And perhaps that's an argument we don't hear as much in England. But 300 games now for Madrid. He certainly has deserved his spot there. But yes, the quality on the pitch was absolutely, it felt like very much with Madrid. And it wasn't a taller shock or undeserved when they did get their breakthrough. which was a lot down to the work of Vinicius. Yeah, so good. But then Jude Bellingham gets the finish off the rebound.

24:23How did goal aside, I mean, Vinicius was brilliant in that moment. Goal aside, how did Bellingham play? It was interesting. And I think it feels like what we've probably thought for a bit with this Madrid team, maybe they still haven't quite worked out their shape and how it all fits together because you're playing with a front three and then you've got Bellingham behind it. And how do you do that and have some balance? Because he does want to be the most advanced in that midfield three. And he was lively. He was definitely in the game and he was definitely the one who was occupying, again, that space between the attack and midfield.

24:55There wasn't that much space because it was so congested. Everything was so far forward a lot of the game. But I think definitely what he was confident is the world of good to have got that goal. And of course, they're going into the Clasico this weekend as well, aren't they? So he's had some good moments in the Clasico. So perhaps a chance for him to get a bit of his confidence up going forward. Bayern beat club Bruce 4-0. Five minutes in, someone called Leonard Karl. scored an absolute belter 17 years old his first champions league start just for fairness kuschel song by snuffle was number one in germany uh when he was born which is the debut single of the german animated rabbit snuffle um in case you didn't know um but blimey lars this guy looks good yeah so i believe he played uh he took part of a couple of pre-season friendlies earlier and was sort of has been seen by by people as as as one to watch i believe iron robin was was in the stadium looking looking down on on this as it happened which is kind of uh maybe that's a bit of a symbolic type of thing because it was very like it wasn't quite as wide in the pitch as where robin would do his thing but it was that sort of take the ball control it go past the man accelerate into the space and then then hit a hit a hit a banger and and uh yeah very very exciting uh exciting debut goal our first goal for him 12 years in a row that harry kane has scored 20 goals or more barry to do so by october is hilarious isn't it i i don't sort of talk and i presume i'm sure your answer will be why can't we just enjoy them all about you know comparing him and harland and mbappe and sort of the possibility of kane getting the Ballon d 'Or and he'd obviously have to win the Champions League or the World Cup or both to have that chance but I suppose he's in the mix isn't he at this stage uh nah I don't think so no no no if if Bayern Munich won the Champions League he'd be in the mix definitely yeah if England win the World Cup he'll be in the mix definitely so he is in the mix well well he's not because I don't think Bayern Munich will win the Champions League and I don't think England will win the World Cup.

27:06Harry, as good as he is, he doesn't score in semi-finals and finals, Max, does he? He doesn't. Not yet. This could be the year. This could be the year, but we are waiting for the year. I also just think we put too much like the Ballon d 'Or is a popularity contest, right? It's not like an exact sort of measurement of sporting achievement. It's a popularity contest for which we now know there's a fair bit of like lobbying that goes on behind the scenes and stuff it's like it's turning into like the oscars of football or something which i guess is what they want it to be but i just think like if it's possible that harry kane needs to like bulk up his upper body and do a bit more sort of posing in his pants and stuff and do more sort of moody social media posts i'm serious like this is what people go for um he is very unassuming and whenever he does like social media stuff it tends to be like him playing golf with like a golf influencer or something which is very wholesome content but really if you want to get the numbers i definitely think like if this matters to him and i'm almost certain it doesn't and and he's all the better off for it yeah then i think he needs to maybe needs to glow up is what he does it's like a different generation of schmoozing like being out on the golf course with all the execs it's like a different it's different world we've moved on all about the influences now it's really more my generation than the tiktok generation i guess maybe if we are to win the fsa this year we all have to be in our pants you know post half marathon Barry who knows can be shredded you can be absolutely buff anyway Bayern have won all three games very comfortably Luis Diaz lovely goal in off the bar just hit it incredibly hard Nicholas Jackson scored one as well yeah Galatasaray 3 Bodo glimped one Lars over to you well I can keep it brief listen this was a little bit unfortunate I thought for Bodo because okay you go away to Galatasaray to the Rams Park I believe it is now for sponsorship reasons and there's a few things you can't do and one of them would be give away two goals yeah yeah yeah so okay you concede the first one because Ossiman is left in a little bit too much space and okay that can happen but the next two they conceded was just from giving the ball away trying to play out from the back and it's something that Bouldo Glimt usually do really well and I like that they have the bravery to keep trying to do that away to Galatasaray, but you can't.

29:27If you make those kind of mistakes, you've got absolutely no chance, and Galatasaray were the better team across the board. I mean, Boudreau actually had quite a lot more possession, but I guess that's a little bit to do with the fact that Galatasaray took an early lead, but it never felt particularly close, and Galatasaray are a good team. Galatasaray, first time Galatasaray won back-to-back wins, won back-to-back games in the Champions League for the first time since 2012. Sporting 2, Marseille won. There was a brilliant moment in this game, Baz, when Marseille think they won a penalty when Emerson is fouled, but that is not how it turns out.

30:00No, he went down under a challenge in inverted commas from Max Arahu. The penalty was given. To be fair, I thought it was a penalty on first view. Then the ref was called to the screen. It was quite clear Emerson had taken a dive. So the ref overturned the decision to award a Marseille penalty and instead gave Emerson a second yellow card for his dive. And so that was him gone. And then later in the game, Max Arrahu was involved in another controversy. So he sort of vigorously chest bumped Benjamin Pavard, who went down. I'm not going to say he was holding his face but he was certainly conveying the impression that he had been headbutted when he hadn't and Arau was promptly shown a red card but the ref had to trot over to the pitch side monitor again and he had a look, rescinded it and showed Arau a yellow instead for his mini act of aggression other than that, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang set up the first goal cross field pass to Igor Pachau who curled a lovely shot in to put Marseille one up and then after Emerson got sent off Sporting turned it around and won it with a horrendously deflected shot from Alisson Santos which completely wrong footed his goalkeeper.

31:33Yeah just one way he could see it going in but absolutely nothing he could do about it. Athletic Bilbao beat Carabao 3-1 their first win in the Champions League. A fun stat, if you want one. Leandro Andrade became the first player in major European football history to score in the first minute of three different games. Yeah, he put Karabag up 1-0. Two lovely goals, actually, from Athletic Club. Robert Navarro's one in the 70th minute was really nice, as was Gouroseta's second. A brilliant volley. And then Atalanta 0-0, Slavia Prague 0. A game that happened, Nicky. Yeah, exactly that, Max. A game that happened.

32:09really just a bit it's quite dispiriting sometimes watching this Atalanta because they're not Gasparini's Atalanta anymore who used to be one of the most fun teams to watch and Ivan Juric's Atalanta aren't but there you go it was a game that's what happens if you get Ivan Juric but nice of you to remind us because I think I may have may have slipped my mind even though we quiz each other on every pod Barry right that'll do for part two we'll look ahead to the Premier League weekend in part three