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Episode Overview Title: Wasteful Leeds pegged back at Everton and an EFL roundup Panelists: Max Rushden, George Elek, Ali Maxwell, Sanny Rudravajhala Description: The panel discusses a Monday night draw and the latest stories from the EFL, including insights on Premier League performances and the status of various teams in lower leagues.

Key Topics Discussed

Premier League Highlights

  • Match Recap: Everton 1 - 1 Leeds
  • Sanny's Experience: Attended the match; described the atmosphere and fan sentiments.
  • Performance: Everton struggled, showing a subdued performance, while Leeds displayed moments of excellence.
  • Daniel Farker's Role: Discussed Farker's transformation of Leeds' gameplay and the skepticism he faced initially.

Player Focus

  • Teeno Barry:
  • Young player showing potential; recent performance improving confidence and goal-scoring ability.
  • Discussion on how judgment on players can be premature.
  • Dominic Calvert-Lewin:
  • Highlighted his resilience and importance to the Everton squad, especially amidst injury struggles.

Changing Nature of Strikers

  • Discussion on modern strikers focusing on physical attributes over traditional finishing skills.
  • Comparison of current scoring rates with historical performances of strikers like Robbie Fowler.

EFL Roundup

  • Championship Performances:
  • Norwich's impressive form and the managerial changes affecting performance.
  • Middlesbrough under Kim Helberg noted for beautiful football and player development.
  • Coventry's struggles highlighted, emphasizing their need to tighten defense as they face a dip in form.
  • League One:
  • Cardiff City leading, with Lincoln City performing unexpectedly well.
  • Notable mention of Huddersfield's managerial change and the impact of injuries on team performance.
  • League Two:
  • Bromley sitting atop the table, showcasing impressive growth and team spirit.
  • Discussion on Swindon's struggles and Ian Holloway’s candid reflections on team performance.

Player Welfare and Financial Struggles

  • Commentary on Sheffield Wednesday's financial issues and the impact on player welfare, emphasizing the necessity for urgent solutions to avoid relegation and financial disaster.

General Observations

  • The podcast often reflects on the unpredictability of football, especially in lower leagues, with an emphasis on how managerial changes can drastically affect team performance.
  • The humor and camaraderie among the panelists contribute to a light-hearted yet insightful discussion surrounding EFL and Premier League football.

Key Quotes

  • "People make decisions and judgments about managers before they've basically even been announced about players before they've even signed." - George Elek
  • "We need to see players given time to adapt to different leagues and styles." - Ali Maxwell

Conclusion The episode encapsulates the unpredictability of football across various leagues, highlighting the importance of management styles, player development, and the socio-economic factors influencing team performances. The hosts manage to inject humor into their analyses, making for an engaging listen.

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EFL Roundup: Key Matches and Insights

1:00 to 1:37

Discussion on recent EFL matches including Norwich, Wrexham, and Sheffield Wednesday.

“And then to the EFL, Norwich stunned Coventry, now just three points clear at the top.”

Guest Introductions and Panel Setup

1:37 to 2:24

Introduction of the panel members and their respective backgrounds.

“Hello, from the University of Salford, by the way.”

Premier League Analysis: Everton vs. Leeds

2:24 to 4:44

In-depth discussion on the Everton vs. Leeds match and its implications.

“I mean, he's got a newborn second child and he's getting out of the house for games.”

Player Performance and Judgment in Football

4:44 to 6:34

Exploration of player evaluations and the impact of expectations on performance.

“Even when you say a scintillating run from Barry, it's very hard for me to think of anyone else.”

Changing Nature of Strikers in Football

6:34 to 14:04

Discussion on how the role and expectations of strikers have evolved in modern football.

“The next top scorers have basically 10, 11, 12 goals, I think Semenyo, and then everyone else is in single figures.”

Leeds' Managerial Progress and Player Updates

14:04 to 15:10

Discussing Leeds' current performance under manager Farco and their key players.

“I think 35 year old Carl Darlow is back in goal for Leeds Lucas Perry's again had wobbles in the same way Ilhan Melier did.”

Championship Insights: Coventry's Performance

16:09 to 16:50

Analyzing Coventry's recent results and challenges they face in the league.

Norwich's Tactical Resurgence under Clement

16:50 to 20:58

Exploring Norwich's recent turnaround in form and player developments.

“They had nine points from 15 games when Manning was sacked and they lost all seven of their home league games to start the season, which is pretty hard to get your head around.”

Middlesbrough's Impressive Form and Key Players

20:58 to 27:31

Discussion on Middlesbrough's recent successes and standout players under Helberg.

Comparative Challenges in Football Management

27:31 to 28:05

Examining the differences in managing clubs like Middlesbrough and Manchester United.

“Sonny, just on, George mentioned Michael Carrick there.”
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Understanding the Challenges at Manchester United

28:05 to 29:19

Explore the complexities and challenges faced by Manchester United and its management.

“I think there's a discourse about how manageable are Man United and whether they are one of the...”

Michael Carrick's Impact at Middlesbrough

29:20 to 31:04

Discuss Michael Carrick's influence and performance during his time at Middlesbrough.

“But my understanding, George, was actually at Middlesbrough, he really got them playing quite quickly and then it didn't carry it on afterwards.”

Championship Team Performances and Trends

31:05 to 33:18

Analyze team performances in the Championship, focusing on Hull, Millwall, and Wrexham.

“So Coventry have 58 points, Middles with 55, that's the top two.”

Wrexham's Financial Outlook and Recent Performance

33:19 to 34:36

Examine Wrexham's financial situation and their recent performances in the Championship.

“So it's a very entertaining game of footballing musical chairs.”

Sheffield Wednesday's Struggles and Future

34:37 to 38:42

Discuss the challenges faced by Sheffield Wednesday, including financial woes and player welfare.

“and they are able to sit back as well, albeit against Swansea on the weekend.”

Relegation Battles and Team Dynamics

38:43 to 42:00

Evaluate the dynamics of teams at the bottom of the table and their prospects for survival.

“So, yeah, I mean, it's interesting from a player welfare point of view, because I sort of understand that the question that they are kind of running out of players.”

Leicester's Potential Points Deduction and Managerial Changes

42:00 to 44:40

Discussion on Leicester's struggles, possible points deduction, and their managerial situation.

“who Oxford's last three wins have come against Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton, the three relegated teams from last season in the Premier League which is quite strange.”

League One Overview: Teams to Watch

44:40 to 45:59

An overview of the top teams in League One and their performances this season.

“part and in part three we will discuss the halogens.”

League One's Mid-Table and Relegation Battles

46:20 to 54:00

A discussion about various teams' standings and performances in League One.

“It's a very real possibility, but it would only be there on merit.”

League Two Insights: Bromley and Ian Holloway's Leadership

54:00 to 55:50

Insights into League Two teams, focusing on Bromley's performance and Ian Holloway's impact.

“Nicky Cabamba, who's been like a bit of a non-league journeyman coming off the bench for the winner.”

Cambridge United's Rise and Listener Questions

55:50 to 56:00

Discussion on Cambridge United's surprising form and responses to listener questions.

“Swindon, I think, will go back right up there.”

Walsall's Struggles and Cambridge's Rise

56:00 to 57:26

An analysis of Walsall's negative tactics contrasted with Cambridge's impressive performance this season.

“Walsall, I think, are defying the numbers.”

League Two's Competitive Landscape

57:26 to 59:00

Discussion on the unpredictable nature of League Two and the importance of style of play in team success.

“How dare you say attritional but I'll take it.”
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0:00This is The Guardian.

0:29innovation. Scotland. For the head, heart and the spirit. Discover more at theguardian.com forward slash brand Scotland. This message was paid for by Brand Scotland.

1:00George Elek:And then to the EFL, Norwich stunned Coventry, now just three points clear at the top. Middles were flying under Kim Helberg, while there's a big injury-time turnaround for Wrexham. At the bottom, Barry Bannon says goodbye to Sheffield Wednesday. And could Blackburn or West Brom find themselves in League One next season? Cardiff still lead the way in the third tier, with Lincoln still pushing them. At the bottom, it's Port Vale plus three. Into League Two, a big win for Bromley over Swindon, while Cambridge genuinely merits a mention. The longest unbeaten run in the EFL. It's nice to have a big team who win things.

1:26George Elek:And which Brazilian international wants to buy Colchester United? All that plus your questions, and that's today's Guardian Football Weekly.

1:36George Elek:On the panel today, Sanny Rudrovagina. Welcome, Sanny. Hello, from the University of Salford, by the way. So if it gets very noisy and there's hungover students, that's why. Good, they'll be forcing WKD into your ears. Like the good old student days. Apart from you, Sanny, it is a not-the-top-20 takeover. Ali Maxwell, hello. Hello. George Ellick is here too. Hey, George. Hello from my kitchen, where if it gets very noisy, it'll be my wife making a cup of tea. Lovely. Well, let's start on the Premier League. Monday night football, we don't have to spend hours on Everton 1, Leeds 1, but you were there, Sanny, aside from being extremely cold.

2:09George Elek:How was your night at the Hill Dickinson? Yeah, solely for the pod, by the way. Wow. You know, I've been to the Hill Dickinson before for the WSL, but for a full Premier League game, it's obviously different. And you've got that excitement of a first ever game, a new stadium, you know outright if you like in the premier league sort of vibes and yeah um i think the biggest thing i took away was everton fans are not very happy so i went with my brother-in-law who's a scene ticket holder i was like if you give us a lift i can get you parking right next to the ground which is like the golden ticket yeah that's good harder to get that yeah it's harder to get that than actual ticket to the game you're expecting you know the famous evertonian sort of raw, which didn't come until Tiano Barry scored very late on.

2:53It's been a very kind of subdued time. I mean, he's got a newborn second child and he's getting out of the house for games. And he's like, I've only seen them win twice at home, all season.

3:04George Elek:Right, I thought you meant Tiano Barry. I thought you were talking about Barry. He's very young to have a second-born child. It's part of the job, I guess, you've got to get out of the house to play. No, one bad side of his form was so bad at the start of the season, he was exhausted. Anyway, carry on. So, you know, Everton fans are going there and they're already kind of like, well, things aren't already great. They're kind of waiting to get out of the seats and it's easy to then have a bit of a moan. And that first half in particular was completely insipid from them. But on the flip side, you know, Leeds, again, being excellent.

3:38And I think Daniel Farker, if ever he needed some credit in the bank, you know, go back before that unbeaten run. And the work halls, there were conversations around his departure. He's well and truly put those to bed. You know, I don't know if you've seen the Daniel Farker penitentiary meme that goes around every time they win a game. But when Dominic Calvert-Lewin hits the post, if that goes in, I think, yeah, again, David Moyes and Everton are joining them in the penitentiary. but second half and I think this is the thing like there's quite a few teams out there that are kind of so similar that they just can't maintain the level they're at and however good James Justin's been in about three different positions and Jadon Bogle again excellent on the right fullback they just can't keep it up and Moyes made a load of changes Everton were able to get back in and having gone specifically to see Barry in the flesh seeing him score that goal was excellent also then seeing him with his tail up then drive forward with the ball three men around him and backheel it to nobody was an excellent moment as well.

4:35That really kind of raised my heart and got everyone in the ground. He's going, ah, you know, that Everton roar again, but the negative one.

4:42George Elek:So overall, yeah, a game of two halves. Even when you say a scintillating run from Barry, it's very hard for me to think of anyone else. You know, James saying, Seb on comms has just said that Barry's been ridiculed at times, potentially talking to you there, Max. As producer Joel says, disconcerting to hear Seb Hutchinson shouting Barry with such gusto. But it is a sign, George, that we judge players so early don't we and he's four and five he's a youngster regardless of how many children he might may or may not have and like you just need because there was one effort with the outside his right foot and when players have confidence at whatever level it just makes a difference it was a great strike that um darler did well to read it and to and to parry it away but yeah i mean i think it's the case with everything in football like people make decisions and judgments about managers before they've basically even been announced about players before they've even signed it's kind of the case where as football fans we all think we basically know what's going to happen before we even see a ball is kicked and and it's the same with with players where often you see 90 minutes or two games or five games of a player and you think you've seen enough to make a judgment whereas actually it's always going to be movable like it might turn out that barry isn't very good you know despite this kind of short spell and he might not be a success but right now he's looking like he's playing with confidence i think young players should be given time to adapt to a different league and a different style of football a different quality of defender and a different style of defender a new manager who might want to do different things as a human being what it means to move to a different country where you might not speak the language as well you don't have any friends your family aren't there there are so many things that go into the performance level of a footballer or a manager or a football team that goes way beyond just pure ability and you know there are so many examples of this consistently even looking at liverpool at the moment and and verts who was mocked in the first few months this season now looks like one of their possibly their best attacking player or at least of them um so yes i i totally endorse that statement max it i think people jump to conclusions way too quickly and it's great to see barry uh now showing the world what a player he is thank you for the endorsement so yes ali is this also slightly a reflection of just modern day attacking players and strikers in the premier league where haaland is haaland a generational player with 20 goals from 22 starts igor tiago is a magnificent surprise with 16 goals from 22.

6:51The next top scorers have basically 10, 11, 12 goals, I think Semenyo, and then everyone else is in single figures. And I think strikers in particular are being signed for, you know, finishing abilities is seemingly quite low down a striker's remit when being recruited at the moment. It's much more about physical attributes and whether they can either stretch defenses constantly provide runs in behind with speed because center backs are so quick these days or kind of play more of a pivot role as a target and pin defenders physically and allow other attacking players, wingers and attacking midfielders to kind of use that space to run off and finishing ability I think is starting to be proven to be something that's affected by physical output.

7:38There's been a few studies on this, it's something we've looked at in the championship essentially like the more work you have to do as a striker outside of the act of finishing and shooting the the harder it is to be a consistent finisher because you're just quite knackered that the amount of high intensity sprints the amount of duels that these guys are going through sure it makes your body and your brain more fatigued and therefore in those moments where what do we talk about finishes we talk about sharpness we talk about composure we talk about cleanliness of strike all of that stuff gets affected and so barry who didn't score in his first 18 shots in the Premier League but has since scored four in seven that rate's not going to continue either but we're seeing quite streaky strikers this season Calvert-Lewin springs to mind Welbeck springs to mind Mateta springs to mind without many of them actually finishing their chances at a particularly high rate consistently David Moyes afterwards did say like his English isn't great Teeno Barry and that part has taken a bit of time to adapt and you know that is the side that we really don't see in this kind of memification of football really has kind of taking hold.

8:40But it does also, on the point that Ali made there, kind of emphasise just how well Dominic Calvert-Lewin's doing. You know, I've spent quite a lot of time at Leeds and Daniel Farkas talked about, he told us that with Calvert-Lewin, they were trying to build resilience, like physical resilience. It wasn't like managing his minutes because he's got a history of hamstring injuries and injuries. It was like kind of, yeah, making him tolerant of all the rigour that's going through. And given the evolving nature of strikers, that kind of would make perfect sense. I think he called his physio team a level of the Champions League, is what he said pre-match, did Farka.

9:14So they're doing a really good job there. I did speak to the legend that is Alan Myers, Sky Sports News former Supremo, who's like an Evertonian legend as well as a man around the place. And I did ask him, like, you know, Everton's home record is really, really, they're really struggling at home. You know, their away record is the thing that's gotten, you know, no one's really better than them. and you did say yeah the the weight of expectation really is playing on them even David Moyes is a bit perplexed on that but having said all that a lot of injuries they had I think the second youngest bench in the Premier League last time out before the Leeds game so many academy players and in this game we saw Keenan Dewsbury Hall come back Tyler Dibbling have a bit of a cameo and Jared Bramfway I think he's had like eight months out he came back in so there's positive signs there for Everton recovery on that front but I do think the position I think of 11th is a bit of a false one and Leeds could probably be

10:10George Elek:pushing up a bit higher too just on that um the changing nature of the center forward alley does it make you think about you know like the the player you are to have the fortune to fit the era like you know does Robbie Fowler because he's such a brilliant finisher does he then not have this career if he's 20 now or is he good enough as a finisher do you know what I mean like like That's an interesting thought, I think. For sure, yeah. I mean, I do like to entertain questions of comparing eras. And I, for example, last season had quite a lot of fun after watching some highlights from the 1970 World Cup.

10:46I had quite a lot of fun wondering whether Brazil 1970 would beat Carlisle 24-25, who got renegated from League Two. But when you watch football in 1970, it's impossible to think that they would beat Carlisle because they are playing at what looks like walking pace. There are barely any sort of high intensity duels. No one's particularly good at dribbling, albeit of the era, clearly they were. And the goals are like, Pele's goals all come from like the most horrendous defending you've ever seen. So it's, you know, it's kind of, I do enjoy that. When it comes to number nines, I mean, yeah, I mean, the modern nine in the Premier League looks so different to the nines that we grew up watching in the 90s.

11:28You like to think that given how excellent and elite those players were within their own core cohort, that sort of somehow they would have been trained and adapted differently to the modern game. and it's not all about physicality. The Premier League has gone that way. It is dripping down into the EFL but it's still not all about physicality. There is still so much to be gained from, I suppose, football IQ, from good movement and from being calm in goal-scoring situations. So I'm kind of dancing around the question because I think realistically the answer is no. A lot of those strikers wouldn't be playing in the Premier League right now whether you think that's a good or a bad thing.

12:09George Elek:You're dancing around the question but you did say Pele wouldn't score against Carlisle. So that's the bit we can clip out. And just finally on this game, George, you obviously watched a lot of Leeds last year. So how impressive have you been? Because there was loads of chat about whether Farker would stay and he's changed things, he's adapted and they have been really impressive. Yeah, I'm really happy for him. You know, talking about snapshot judgments, there seemed to be this belief that just because Daniel Farker's Norwich were relegated in two successive seasons or two successive Premier League seasons, that that would be the case here and that he would inevitably be sacked and that he isn't good enough for the Premier League.

12:43Whereas, you know, in actual fact, I think Daniel Fark is a brilliant manager who has shown consistently that when he's got a team capable of dominating games, that he can build a side who can wipe the floor with the opposition. And last season's leads were, you know, they may not have been Bielsa's leads, but they were still incredibly dominant and to my mind should have won the league by the bigger margin than the injury time goal that won it for them on final day. It's obviously a very different task to manage a team. like taking a side to win the league in the championship and then taking them to safety in the premier league it's hard to find two more different jobs in terms of what is required of you like for the most part in the championship you're going to have 70 possession it's going to be all about breaking down a low block whereas you come up and suddenly you're the team that's going to rescind possession and that's why in my mind the manager who's made the best performance in terms of the transition has been regis labri because sunderland are a very rare example of a team that got promoted out of the championship who didn't dominate the ball who were very happy out of possession and therefore the transition into getting better players but also the playing style didn't have to change too much so i think you've got to give far good credit for changing the system and changing the formation i know leeds fans felt like it took him too long to do that um but they look much better now that they play um the three at the back of the wingbacks i think justin and bogle are just absolutely perfect fits for the system now and offer them both a really core attacking threat but also are both defensively sound too and yeah it's hard not to be impressed by what they're doing and even you saw yesterday either it didn't come off like they are a team that are now happier out of possession than they ever were coming up so I'm a fan of Farco I think he's someone who if he can keep Leeds up this season and they can reinvest again you know there's no he's a good profile for a manager who should be able to take them to the next level so yeah they're doing a good job of it.

14:31I think 35 year old Carl Darlow is back in goal for Leeds Lucas Perry's again had wobbles in the same way Ilhan Melier did. And yet again, Darlow's been called up, which is just amazing in 2026 that Darlow's playing. But fair play to him. He was fairly quiet last night.

14:47George Elek:In other centre-forward news, Forrester bids£35 million for Jean-Philippe Mateta, which has been an interesting odd move for him, I think. Probably hoping to go better than that. and Bajictas have paid Roma£11 million so they could then sell him to Aston Villa in football finance news. Go and ask Keira Maguire about that. Anyway, that'll do for part one. Part two, we'll do the championship.

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16:09George Elek:well it's part two of the guardian football weekly so last time we spoke about the championship there was this talk of this coventry crisis slash blip slash wobble they beat in leicester and millwall but they went to norwich last night and they lost 2-1 alley and that is i mean actually norwich are on good form right you look at the league table think that is a massive shock but i don't know if it is a massive shock right now yeah norwich have got five points more than coventry in their last eight league games so it is a good example of of the championship table even over halfway through the season uh not always being a particularly good way to kind of um make predictions uh norwich have been flying under philip clement uh who who was appointed when the the Liam Manning era could barely have gone worse.

16:52They had nine points from 15 games when Manning was sacked and they lost all seven of their home league games to start the season, which is pretty hard to get your head around. That has changed, including this win last night at Carrow Road, four wins in Clemence, seven home games. So that was crucial to turn things around. And in his tenure so far, 14 games, 24 points, only four teams have got more. And it's getting sort of increasingly exciting as it transpires. as well. Lots of new players, either new signings like Ali Ahmed, a left winger they signed from Vancouver, who's just impacting games immediately.

17:28Beautiful assist for Ben Slimani last night. Yeah, it was. And then scored the winner. But Ben Slimani is a great one to hold up as well as a sort of player that was completely bombed out. One of those players that as a Norwich fan, you think, OK, let's just bin him off in January. We'll get a better number 10. And sometimes managers come in and they seem to have such clarity about how to set the team up. And within that sort of clarity of tactical instruction and I guess some better vibes and energy and motivation, those sorts of players can come back into the fold and start starring. And Ben Slimani is a good example of that.

18:01So they are playing exciting football. They are handling what would for most clubs be a disastrous transfer saga with their striker, Josh Sargent, AWOL at the moment, not involved in the squads, trying to engineer a move reportedly back to the States or to Toronto specifically in Canada in MLS and they're handling that because they've got this absolutely brilliant young striker called Jovan McCarma who they picked up from Lincoln City in what looked like a bit of a development signing in the summer. It's turning out to be one of the most dangerous number nines in the championship at the moment so it's hugely positive for them.

18:34I wonder from a commentary point of view you know might chuck that one to George because they are struggling away from home for sure um the game last night is they have lots of chances they give up lots of chances yeah in many ways it feels similar to how it's been all season but where previously they were winning games 3-1 or 2-1 they're now on the other side

18:53George Elek:of them 2-1 1-1 that sort of thing yeah George they had loads at 1-1 they had a couple of really huge chances called didn't they yeah they did uh Ephraim Mason Clark hit the bar with a header from point blank range which he did pretty well with to kind of contort his body to get his head on it in the first place um yeah it it does feel like a kind of classic case of not loads changing you know you look at the underlying numbers and the xg data and all that and there's been a slight drop off from early in the season but they were so dominant early in the season that it didn't really seem like a drop off would really matter um but games that were going their way now just aren't um they've had they were blessed by having and i've never really seen a team or seen a team have this before where they had individual players going on ridiculous scoring streaks almost back to back with each other um we had victor torp early in the season we had had you right they had uh brennan top brennan thomas asante and then we had um ellis sims and as soon as you know we're now in a period where maybe we'll be roman essay then you strike their new winger sorry who's on loan from from palace he's now got two and two um but this is the first time where those players aren't really performing um had you had a long drought which has now ended and they're they're finishing streak in front of goal has kind of ended and as Ali says all season even when they've been at their most dominant they haven't been the most defensively sound they've always given chances away and that kind of always opened up the possibility they might go through a bad run you compare that to the best teams of last season where Leeds and Burnley were always defensively very very sound and Leeds in terms of just not giving any chances away and Burnley in terms of having a keeper in James Trafford who had one of the best individual shot stopping seasons we've ever seen in front of or behind an already very good defensive line the most similar team were Sheffield United who went through the campaign picking up loads of points but always had that kind of soft um underbelly where Mike Cooper was being relied on so often they were always giving chances away and then inevitably when their own finishing deserted them they went through a bad run which ended up meaning that they came third and missed out in the playoffs so it does feel like Coventry need to find a way to tighten up at the back because they can't rely on the on you know on the um the clinical edge forever and with Middlesbrough and Ipswich at this moment in time to my mind looking the best they've been all season and by a mile especially with Middlesbrough as well I'm sure we'll talk about Coventry are not only in danger of uh relinquishing top spot but they could easily fall out the top two which is which would be given sort of not quite Walsall last season league two but but not far away I say it'll be interesting to see how he does like there was one flick he did I think it was to put how do you write him you're like oh this is a different level of footballer and perhaps less importantly philip clemon and yap stamm are identical i mean if you put a pair of glasses on philip clemon it would look literally i think i don't think i'd be able to tell the difference i mean maybe one is tiny one is huge but i really like big phil's scarf last night not often you see it was like it was just in no way a football scarf just a lovely bit of menswear why not all right tartan or just a nice no it was kind of navy blue with kind of white stripes uh at the ends and it was it's kind of a big one that he'd done in a way that was very on show yeah he also said one incredible thing in his post-match which was like the opposite of the standard manager response where he got asked that he got lobbed the question you know things are going well you enjoying this at norwich and he went like no not really i mean i enjoy the games but otherwise we're just so busy all the time like it's just really busy i feel like managers normally normally say like i'm absolutely loving every minute i spend with the group the matches are really stressful but like what a place to be he did the complete opposite he'd rather not do anything apart from the games surely he's surely i mean as a choice of job you know like surely he knows by now that you're going to be busy right you know like that is that's the lot of the manager but yeah philip what can the fans expect from you um i haven't got a great work ethic it's exhausting this stuff who does this well did you hear um he said i think before the west brom game or maybe in the build up to this actually that Josh Sargent texted him and said he wasn't going to play.

22:55Like five-a-side sort of style. You know, if he's having to deal with every player kind of WhatsAppping and messages going, oh, you know, I can't really fancy it today. That's a lot to take on. They've got a squad of like 30 players. It's going to take your toll. When's he going to have a break? Josh Sargent is sending him a little like gif saying, sorry, mate, I'm out. I'm a bit hungover, can't play.

23:12George Elek:Let's talk about Middlesbrough then. Great form, including that 4-0 win over Preston who were going well until this. I mean, Preston, once they went 2-0 down, just completely imploded in this game. But we've talked about it a bit before, Ali, but the job that Kim Helberg has done since coming in and taking over from Rob Edwards has been so impressive. Yeah, it's amazing. I'm getting a bit starry-eyed because I'm just loving the work that he's doing. And it's nice after doing this for, what is it, almost 10 years of not the top 20 that I can still have feelings like this for a new manager coming in and doing what he's doing because they were already a good team in terms of results under Rob Edwards, but you watch the two teams play and it is like a different team.

23:51They play beautiful football. He benefits from having a midfielder in Hayden Hackney and a midfield partner in Aidan Morris, who are the perfect players for this level to play this sort of football where they have a lot of responsibility in central areas to look after the ball and then to move it on quickly once they draw attention to themselves. And that works really well, where I think if the players weren't quite as good at that, it is the sort of system that could see you give up a lot of chances on the break and in transition. But it's working brilliantly. A bit like what I said with Clement and various players coming to the fore who weren't starring previously.

24:26He's got that in abundance. Tommy Conway had been on a mega goal drought. The fans were getting fed up of him missing chances. So in a press conference, Helberg said, he's one of the first one or two names on my team sheet. I absolutely love him. The work he does for the team is absurdly unselfish and is the reason I fell in love with football because it's a team game rather than an individual game. And sure enough, Conway then scores three in the next two games. So he basically can't put a foot wrong at the moment. Even when they had a run of four without a win, they had 80 shots across those four games.

24:56They just couldn't hit a barn door. So it wasn't like they were being suddenly poorly coached or there was a tactical problem. It was literally and very clearly an issue of finishing, which has since been resolved. So it's exciting because only a couple of weeks ago, So it kind of felt like, and we were part of this, mid-season it felt like it was Coventry and Ipswich top two. And the big question was which would win the league. And Borough were always sort of being patted on the head as kind of the third best team. And instantly, they now look like the best team of the three right now based on the last couple of weeks.

25:27And, you know, it's hard to see why they would fall away unless the reality of the fact that they don't have as many good players as Ipswich and Coventry, particularly off the bench. that's the only sort of red flag at the moment is uh is squad depth particularly in attacking areas

25:42George Elek:george what's the what's the ceiling on hayden hackney can you just just plot his career path from here now until retirement i really rate him um i do really rate him uh lou who writes for us on nc20.com doesn't rate him so i'm gonna be careful what i say and he's taking a big stance that he's he's not as good as people think but um he is a player that in terms of his on-ball ability and his ability to break lines with his passing and also the kind of physical edge that he's added to his game where one big criticism when he first broke through under Michael Carrick was that he maybe lacked the physicality to press effectively and to get around the pitch as he needed to.

26:20And normally, I think when a player is labelled immobile or unable to kind of press, that's something that kind of they, a tag they keep with them throughout their career, whereas it feels like Hackney just got fitter and worked really hard. and now he's an absolute you know off the ball he offers that in abundance which is so important the way that Helberg wants to play like he's he's absolutely headed for the Premier League whether or not he gets beyond you know a mid-table Premier League team we'll have to see but the good thing for him is that because he has that those physical attributes now there are some players who flourish at the top end of the championship a bit like the managerial conversation we had earlier who then when they move to a team who are scrapping for relegation at the bottom of the Premier League they really struggle because they don't see much of the ball but there's a similarity I guess like Adam Warton's a good example of a player again who is a ball player first and foremost but absolutely does not shirk the the defensive side of the game even if he's not the most physically strong as we saw in the game against Chelsea on the weekend where he got sent off um and Hackney has that in abundance so yeah I'm not going to sit here and say he's the next he's the next Adam Warton but he certainly is a player that I don't think we'll be talking about on the top 20 for much longer and the way they're going I think he'll probably with Middlesbrough next season, possibly in the Premier League.

27:31George Elek:Sonny, just on, George mentioned Michael Carrick there. I just wonder if someone has watched quite a lot of Middlesbrough and watched a lot of him in the Championship. Are you surprised at how well he's doing at Man United? Or like how, I wonder how transferable it is. I was sort of thinking, you know, there's no reason why you can't be great at Middlesbrough and be great at Manchester United, if he was great. Yeah, I mean, I suppose the thing at Man United is he's got a different level of credit in the bank that means he's already got that extra time that Middlesbrough fans maybe were more expectant of given they did spend money in the transfer window and some of those didn't really come off as can happen in the Championship.

28:09I think there's a discourse about how manageable are Man United and whether they are one of the... I actually think that's true. I think it is an almost impossible job. Alex Ferguson and all that aside, it makes it really hard. And I do think, contrary to kind of the data and the stats, actually having an understanding of how the club works, a club of that size, I think it's hard for us to kind of grasp how big the machinery is around the club at Man United compared to, say, Middlesbrough. And so having that buy-in is really quite important in a way that I think isn't quite the same at other clubs.

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28:49Bringing you back to EFL, there's talk of Nigel Pearson going to Leicester. I'm sure we'll talk about that. And he's already had two spells there. And at least he kind of has all that credit there to kind of then go in there and have a different reputation with the players and the club and a bit of deference, perhaps. And Carrick gets that at Man United because of what he's done in the past. And so I think that kind of intangible is the bit that gives Carrick that edge. And I actually think he'll do okay because of it, which is a weird one because, you know, what's he actually done? Not a huge amount.

29:20George Elek:But my understanding, George, was actually at Middlesbrough, he really got them playing quite quickly and then it didn't carry it on afterwards. yeah i mean there are definite similarities to what happened early on in carrick's reign where he came into a side um really down i mean they were they were either in the relegation zone or just outside i think they were in the relegation zone when he came in after sacking chris wilder and and a club that basically needed an injection of quality energy and everything else and carrick got it straight away and they went on this ridiculous run and for a time they looked like they might even crash the top two and chubarak pom in particular um found a goal scoring season that can kind of rerouted the trajectory of his career so in that sense it tracks identically like manchester united sacked manager they're really down even though the position wasn't that bad they needed an injection of energy and quality and they got it straight away by beating manchester city and arsenal longer term would be where my my issues would probably come in where you know that he was sacked by Middlesbrough for his performance like this wasn't a case of character saying I've had enough here Middlesbrough fans by the end of his reign weren't enjoying the style of football at all they saw it as being overly possession-based but you know if you're a championship manager and you're that's your criticism you're probably going to benefit by having much better players to execute your your kind of in-possession plan um defensively they were never you know their best attacking moments they were always pretty poor in the back but you You know, again, it's his first job.

30:49I'm sure Michael Carrick would have learnt a lot from that first job. Yeah, my warnings would be just, you know, whether or not, and of course what they did with Solskjaer back in the day, maybe not to give him a three-year contract off the back of a few wins. But, you know, it's not a huge surprise, I wouldn't say, to see him come in and lift the place immediately.

31:05George Elek:Back to the championship then. So Coventry have 58 points, Middles with 55, that's the top two. Then Ali, you've got Ipswich and Hull on 50 points, Millwall on 49, bit of a jump to Wrexham on 44. and then what Bristol City, Watford, Preston, Stoke, Derby is incredibly tight below then. Who are you looking at in those teams that I have read out in an exciting list? Well, fourth, fifth, sixth at the moment, Hull, Millwall and Wrexham. They are in those positions because, certainly Hull and Wrexham, because the last eight, ten games have gone really, really well. So in the championship, you know, it's hard not to be blinded by those who've been picking up results most recently.

31:42Hull have been a massive story all season. They are, in terms of if you wanted a season ticket anywhere, you would want it at Hull City because they score so many goals. They're really exciting, really attack minded, but leave the door open massively at the back. They've conceded 40 goals in 28 games, which is one of the worst defensive records in the league. But they end up on the right side of these crazy high scoring games more often than not. Millwall have picked up again in the last couple of weeks after a strong start to the season, gave them a good foundation. the way they've played particularly in the last two or three games Charlton game in particular Watford game springs to mind really exciting getting some players back from injury and Alex Neal is just a very savvy operator at the level and then Wrexham who have come on unbelievably strongly after taking a month or two to kind of get to grips with championship football and the style of play that they would need to kind of take on compared to in the National League League 2 and League 1 where they've spent the last three seasons previously and also more or less a whole new team which they bought in the summer and eventually Parkinson as he has done in the last three seasons has got them rolling where you know he's now got a very clear style of play it's creating a fair amount of chances for them and they've got an excellent group of attacking players particularly they get a lot off the bench when they're chasing games scoring twice in injury time to come back and beat QPR on the weekend a good example of that none of these are the perfect team and that's why it's exciting because at the moment Bristol City Watford, Preston, Stoke, Derby, QPR, they're all looking upwards and wondering, have we got enough to make the playoffs?

33:13But I dare say with another 17, 18 games to go, all of the teams we're talking about will have another strong spell and probably all of them will have another bad spell. So it's a very entertaining game of footballing musical chairs.

33:25George Elek:Just in that QPR Wrexham game, Harvey Vale's opener for QPR is just an unbelievable volley, like left-footed volley, sort of behind him. I mean, Rathbone's winner was good, but that was a brilliant goal and it was nice for me to learn that steve cook plays for qpr uh sanny you wanted to come in well just to give kieran maguire another name drop i don't know if you saw that he tweeted out rexham have issued one additional share for 47.83 million pounds as would kieran just yesterday actually and i just double check with him the the rough share price generally at rexham is about four between four to eight quid i think so that money's come from the u.s holding company that has four million shares in the club already and that would therefore give them it's all within PSR but it then means that money can go towards transfers and the like so you know we've got another transfer window closing on the 2nd of February so next Monday and expect some movement from Wrexham just to mention on Hull I've seen Hull the last two games and Olly McBurney is having a great time but just on that they have been under a transfer embargo so Sergei Yakirovich has been doing all this with loan signings and done a fantastic job, considering that, yeah, they can go all hell for leather and they are able to sit back as well, albeit against Swansea on the weekend.

34:43They kind of just let Swansea come back into it, but were able to hold on. But yeah, they've been very impressive. And you mentioned, by the way, right at the start, Preston are doing well. Preston are now doing terribly. I've watched a couple of their games in a row as well. The pitch hasn't been invested in at all. like if you were looking at that game you would be you'd assume it was league two and it was a giant that had fallen like the pitch is proper old school against Hull they uh the first goal they'd worked a corner and they'd over committed but the ball got stuck in the mud and then it allowed Hull to break and score right the fans are really not happy with that and it add into all of this by the way uh Militin Ozmaic who you recall had the ban for uh racially abusing abusing Hannibal Medjabry in the Burnley game last February, which he vehemently denied in that whole game, decided to headbutt John Lundstrom.

35:32And he can't deny that. These days, it could be a deep fake. It could be AI. It could be AI. You're right.

35:37George Elek:Yeah, yeah, yeah. He bit Owen Beck at Blackburn the season before. So now this ban, I'm not sure how long he's got now, but I think it's roughly around 21 games he'll have missed over a season and a bit. So that's just another story. but yeah, Preston have completely fallen off a cliff and Osmaiic hasn't helped things either. Producer Joel's saying maybe that pitch would be a leveler and Pele could score against Preston. At the bottom, Martin says, what are the EFL going to do to Wednesday when we can't put a team out in a few weeks' time? Vulture's circling for first team as young players getting injured by playing too many games when they're not ready.

36:11George Elek:Barry Bannon's set to leave. Quite emotional shots of him applauding the crowd in the last match. and Ali like I saw there was sort of a moment of hope wasn't there you know when the big screen was like you know reboot and all this and Wednesday are back what's happened? Well the administrators are still in kind of trying to do their thing which I guess is try and save a sinking ship that has just absurd financial issues and no one putting money into the club and loads and loads and loads of costs every single month that need to be paid. And all the while trying to find a new owner among, as you can imagine, a list of kind of prospective owners that involves probably some tyre kickers, probably some that might be all right and some that feel maybe like they wouldn't be great, but you kind of just need them right now in order for the club to complete the season and continue existing.

37:10So, you know, off the pitch, it's just it's just a case of pure survival mode at the moment from a financial standpoint. And that's why Bannon will have to leave. That's why they can't really resist those sorts of offers, because Bannon will be on a hefty wage. You know, it is as simple as meeting the wage bill every single month. So the month of January that needs to be met this week, February next month. and they have to keep cotton casts and or find ways of bringing in money the only way of doing that because season tickets are sold months and months ago that money was burned off well early on the only way of doing that is by selling players right now and and uh bannon is the the first teamer that's leaving and the and the best player and the star player and the the kind of beacon of hope but they're also selling off all their best academy kids uh some of whom 17 18 years old have had to play a lot of games recently because as has been alluded to in the question they just don't have very many senior players and a lot of them are injured because they've been absolutely flogged by having to play every single minute so yeah uh they're selling off a lot of the the the family silver if you like and that's incredibly i mean it's all just still horrendous for the wednesday fans even if getting chan ziri out was a big moment and should be the first major step in a turnaround but it's a turnaround that doesn't happen at the click of a fingers It's going to take many months and, dare I say, many years for the damage to be repaired as long as someone does buy the club and a deal gets done that has the best interests of the club at hand.

38:43So, yeah, I mean, it's interesting from a player welfare point of view, because I sort of understand that the question that they are kind of running out of players. And obviously, they're also under various embargoes, I think, because of previous indiscretions and bills not being paid and whatnot. That's kind of automatic for EFL clubs. You have to be placed under embargo in order to stop you doing it. But in this instance, it is probably quite bad for the players' welfare that they are being forced to play all of these games. injuries are being picked up young players are being played far too many senior minutes than they would ordinarily be and um i don't necessarily know how this could work but if there were a way of allowing them to sign half a dozen new senior players ideally who can handle the physical side of it they need to be able to kind of get to the season i mean they've lost their last fire five games they haven't scored in their last six so on the pitch it's it's all she wrote there's no there's no question about that but they still need to fulfill their fixtures they're on minus

39:41George Elek:seven points then at the bottom above them george oxford your oxford 27 black men 29 portsmouth 30 west brom 32 charlton 32 uh norwich 33 but sort of going upwards maybe this always happens in the championship but you sort of look at that and you think oh there's some big sides in in trouble here i'm just looking at you know which game i have to fly back for when the user in league one you know ewood park you know the hawthorns what do you make of it at the bottom yeah it's it's it's becoming clearer now who is going to be involved in this relegation battle you know there was this idea that norwich would probably get get out of it they're obviously not out of it yet they're only four points clear but the way that they're going you think they'll leave it behind pretty quickly the same can be said of sheffield united and swansea have been brilliant under the tomatoes and look like they're um putting their bad start to the season to uh you know to bed charlton sorry producer Joel look to me probably the worst team in the league apart from Sheffield Wednesday at the moment as is often the case with teams that win promotion out of um League One and especially through the playoffs or any league really you know you start the season with a bit of a bang because you're you know the the confidence is still there um and then as the physical demands on a small squad become more and more and maybe teams work out um a bit better what your side of players and the way you approach games um things kind of tail off a bit and Charlton the team right now who you know the performance against Millwall uh on Saturday I mean Millwall were excellent and were deserving of their win but Charlton couldn't really get anywhere near them and it was a complete mismatch in terms of quality and they're a team who now just three points clear of the bottom three look in real trouble West Brom fans will believe that they're in massive trouble Eric Ramsey's come in and it's been a pretty disastrous first three games for him although Chris Meppham's last minute equaliser uh on Friday night they always play on Friday night was enough to at least get his first point you know there were some signs in the Middlesbrough game they lost 3-2 but again like they're probably the one team you would expect to improve enough to get out of the mess but um you know they're running out of time Pompey and Blackburn are both definitely in trouble um Portsmouth's business in the in the January window so far it's pretty good Ebu Adams has come in and made an immediate impact scored a goal um that certainly came off his hand the what is it El Coastical or whatever they call it now against Southampton and Blackburn under Vlerian Ishmael looking in real trouble.

41:56Oxford put a brilliant performance away at Leicester on Saturday who Oxford's last three wins have come against Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton, the three relegated teams from last season in the Premier League which is quite strange. All three of them coming under different managers as well. Matt Bloomfield's come in and has been, I guess, a bit of an antidote to Gary Rowan in terms of the way that he talks, the celebration in front of the fans and the way and very passionate wants his players to play with a certain degree of freedom and on the front foot and the fans are buying into it but the one team to mention at this point we keep being told that we're going to find out about Leicester's points deduction soon and it does feel like noises are coming around that it could be imminent and if Leicester are deducted the nine points that has been widely kind of discussed then that would put them level on points for Blackburn in 22nd and anyone who's seen Leicester to play football in the last six weeks eight weeks will know that even though they've got a lot of players who are way too good to be down at the bottom of the championship Jordan James Abdul Fattahou amongst others they're one of the worst teams in the league at the moment and I think if the deduction is nine they've sat the manager Martis Fuentes we'll have to see who they bring in some talk of Rauert going in which I think given the the players they've got um I personally think you'd want a manager to come in and not play kind of pragmatic football you want someone to come in breathe life into the players that they've got who should be able to dominate games at the level I think Leicester could be in massive massive trouble if they get that nine points deduction and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them in a properly in a scrap at the bottom and

43:26George Elek:between now and the end of the season it's going to be fascinating at the bottom you look primed Ali I was about to move on to league one but you look so ready to say something it was it was just quite funny that George said that Bloomfield was the antidote to Rowett as if they were sort of chemical properties and then if Rowett is the answer for Leicester then that means he's the antidote to the fuentes who could be that's my issue who might be the antidote to val ishmael if he gets sacked at blackburn who then might be the antidote to i don't know sheffield wednesday if they ever need any right so you're thinking about sort of a chemistry are you you envisaging sort of superheroes and kryptonite and that kind of thing exactly or like a chemistry like beakers and pipettes that's exactly what i'm imagining yeah they need to find us if winter's antidote i'm not sure it's gaz so that's my that's my concern they're going to treat the suspect with the wrong the wrong efl man if you pipette a little bit of gary rowat into the sif wentes beaker it won't do what you want it to do it might be something yeah it's possible it'll get launched the beaker will get launched won't it as an ex-science teacher i'm getting hives this is just so wrong you know i spent 10 years teaching kids the periodic table and here you are talking about bloody homeopathy for football managers i'm not liking this okay well okay well we'll end this part and in part three we will discuss the halogens.

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45:59George Elek:Welcome to part three of the Guardian Football Weekly. So, look, the top of League One, Cardiff 56 points, Lincoln 52, Bolton 46, Bradford 46, Stockport 46. a bit of a jump down to Huddersfield then come Luton, Stevenage, Peterborough and Exeter I mean the story Sani is Lincoln isn't it we all know Cardiff are great and Brian Barry Murphy's in a great job and they should win the league but for Lincoln to still be on their coattails it's just phenomenal it is amazing um and Michael Scabala takes all the credit here um Leeds fans will remember him because he had a spell as interim manager as well but they've just done so well and it's not like it's you know there's no like big bad evil uh oligarch behind all this although uh the boys are going to probably turn around and go actually there's a there's an investment firm in here um but yeah well that's an incredible run and the fact that being able to keep it up and go up against like the big teams in the division as well and hold their own is is really something i mean i joke last time that the the prospects of west ham lincoln in the in the championship.

47:02It's a very real possibility, but it would only be there on merit. I mean, it is amazing. They are 10 unbeaten now and the goals are coming from everywhere. Hackett's got, what, seven, I think? Draper as well, doing well. And then Jack Moylan with a double against Burton. So they've got a great range and they're not afraid to go out there and just go and attack. And that's really refreshing. and as much as Brian Barry Murphy is bringing the kids and play possession football and stuff, just having a team kind of play without fear in Lincoln has been very exciting and yeah, very much deserved to be there.

47:44They do stick it in the mixer a lot, Max, which I think you appreciate.

47:48George Elek:Yeah, that's what you want to see. I mean, it feels straight back down, but you never know, maybe they could be like Cambridge in 91 when we got to the playoffs in the old second division and actually we were top of the old second division, just sticking it in the mixer. We would have been in the Premier League for the first year of the Premier League. It would have been so good to see that football mixing it at the top. Ali, of those sort of there or thereabouts sides, who are you pinning your hopes on? I mean, they're all kind of there or thereabouts in different shapes and sizes. Bolton have probably got a points tally that doesn't reflect how good they've been in a lot of their games this season.

48:31They've been that sort of team that's just in the final action, in the opposition box, they've been quite wasteful at times and then give away soft goals at the back, but actually are a pretty dominant side and a good side. So they're in third at the moment, and I wouldn't be surprised if they have a strong end to the season. Bradford struggling in attack, just dropping away with three defeats in their last four, but their last two defeats against Cardiff and away at Huddersfield. There's no great shame there, and I definitely don't think their story is kind of finished. It's not a case that they'll obviously drop out of the top six, but they need to kind of find something again.

49:06Stockport expected to have a strong end to the season as well under Dave Channiner, who's a manager that only ever finishes in the top six and quite often in the top two divisions. And then Huddersfield are interesting because they sacked their manager Lee Grant last week. They replaced him with Liam Manning. This time last year, Liam Manning was taking Bristol City into their highest finish in decades into the championship playoffs then got a move off the back of that to Norwich which couldn't have gone any worse and now finds himself back in League One again so it's a classic game of managerial snakes and ladders which is what happens a lot in the EFL it's probably a pretty good appointment you have to say for Huddersfield because Manning's done a lot of very good jobs as well as that one really really bad one and they looked pretty good in his first game Luton just outside it three points back Jack Wilshere in charge I wouldn't say he's made a massive difference to be honest they're quite good at home and they're not particularly good on their travels and they're still working a lot out you know when you suffer back-to-back relegations from premier league to league one and you have these huge squads which look good on paper but which i think in reality actually can cause quite a lot of confusion at the training ground and and and make it difficult to find like a a rhythm and a consistent team selection something they're still struggling with 27 games in so um there's some quite sort of formed teams in mid-table now.

50:19Posh, Exeter, Argyle as well have flown up the table recently, but they've all got quite a lot of work to do, I would suggest, to hunt down that group of playoff teams who are all, you know, kind of sharks, I would say. Bolton, Stockport, Huddersfield in particular.

50:33George Elek:Isleon Manning, the league-run antidote. That's what we need to know. Look, at the bottom of League One, Port Vale have 18 points, Rotherham 25, Doncaster 27, Northampton 29. So just outside of the relegation zone, Burton, you know, who have been circling the drain for ages but you never know they could just sneak out of it Wigan at AFC Wimbledon at Blackpool George you pointed me in the direction of the Doncaster Wigan highlights a great game including one absolutely tremendous yeah an incredible game Doncaster fans will I mean I'm sure are still wondering how they didn't win it they went two to it up relatively routinely Wigan barely in the game whatsoever and then the goal of a game scored by harry clifton um where the ball came into the box and will amerson the wigan defender tried to clear it and he missed the board and fell over and therefore went to james carrigan son of jamie who then kind of shanked his clearance towards the now uh prostrate um amerson who last lying on the floor could only head the ball whilst lying on the floor into the path of clifton to sweep home um it was basically like a cross in the box set down header into the path of someone but the only thing was the the attacking player was just assisted by two defenders it was incredible to watch and at that point you're thinking if you're a Wigan fan like can this get any worse with three nil down we've just seen our defender lying on the floor assister goal um and they scored three goals with basically their only three well three very rare attacks within the game and Doncaster nearly won it and hit the post in injury time too so crazy game Wigan wondering how they managed to get out of it a comedy goal and Doncaster who in 22nd and three points off safety just there's no way they should be there really like they started the season well um they've had a uh a difficult run the performance is now better but the results aren't really coming uh with that um Paul Vale appointed John Brady which you know there's a lot of positivity after a 5-1 win they came a couple of games ago against Blackpool but they've lost both games since and you know with the gap now 12 points it feels like Brady's gonna have to do a ridiculous job to get them out of it uh Rotherham another team that look destined for the drop in my mind Matt Hampshire still there which maybe is a bit of a surprise but they had a better performance that ended a losing streak at home to Wimbledon last time but couldn't get over the line you mentioned Burton and I think Gary Bowyer's done an amazing job to have them where they are continues to kind of punch above their weight but the team even though we're talking about relegation I just want to mention Exeter City who are way clearer at the moment they're seven points clearer the drop in tenth and the job that Gary Caldwell does just it goes massively under the radar really um like exeter have so much to kind of fight against in terms of you know the the fan ownership model meaning and they're very open about this that it's very hard for them to make ends meet um drawing manchester city away in the cup despite that ending in a 10-1 defeat was big for them financially had to deal with a fire at the stadium recently the the geographical impact of being annexed for most of the rest of the of the league and there's something that isn't particularly flashy or exciting about a low budget team consistently punching above their weight and finishing mid-table um but that doesn't detract from the job that he's doing and and i think you know he doesn't get his flowers often enough for what is perceived you know even if you are a team with a budget that's 22nd 23rd you're expected to outperform that but calder does it consistently um and they are especially at home like their home form is remarkable they barely can see the goal um so yeah credit to him and his team league two then Bromley are top 55 points stent very tight Salford 49 MK Dons 47 Cambridge 47 Walsall 47 Swindon 46 Notts County 45 Swindon were second going into the games at the weekend they went to Bromley they should have been they should have been three up a half time I think and then conceding the 89th minute and fells a sixth because everyone else won yeah and Ian Holloway afterwards said I guess we're bottlers I think which I thought was quite you know a refreshing well it's just him isn't it it's just how he is which um he's great i love being holloway i think he's still reeling from the whole uh team sheet fiasco from the from the virtue trophy i mean the virtue trophy they named a player uh not named a player on the bench and on the official team sheet but on the graphic or something i don't know and then he came on and it's all a bit mess so they might get thrown out of the the virtue trophy so that's a little bit of a cloud but yeah they were ahead in this one yeah should have been ahead should have been way ahead and Bromley turned it around.

55:00Nicky Cabamba, who's been like a bit of a non-league journeyman coming off the bench for the winner. So a nice little moment for him. And funny enough, ITV, who I spend a bit of time going, on the commentary, actually did the actual program from Bromley and started with Bromley Swindon. So fair play to them. I think it kind of really brought League Two to life and showed what brilliant work's been done by Andy Woodman, what the club's doing as well. They're on this incredible time and they are embarrassing the rest of the EFL, especially with the free-up campaign from the National League that wants to have an extra promotion place.

55:37Well, you know, if a team come up from the National League and win the bloody league, it kind of tells you that they're at the level. So that needs some resolution, albeit we know the league's run by the clubs and they're all self-serving. So they've done brilliantly. Swindon, I think, will go back right up there. I think they really will. And I was very much a kind of like, what on earth is Ian Holloway doing back in football? And I've been thoroughly proved wrong. Walsall, I think, are defying the numbers. I think they've run out of steam again, having seen them a few times. They played Notts County.

56:09I was there on, well, I think it was New Year's Day or in that period of time. And they're so negative. I can't remember a team going away from home, being so up the table and being so negative. And I'm holding that against them. They're playing with fear. and I'm not sure Matt Sadler's side can do a plan B I think it is quite direct and but yeah I do like Swindon but I do really like what Bromley are doing as well

56:33George Elek:AJ says where did the top 20 boys have Cambridge in their pre-season predictions again yes this is exciting George where are they fourth I think that's where we had them I'm sure that's where we had them fourth what I loved about this is that Max every week you tweet any questions and you so rarely read them out unless they're specifically about Cambridge in this in this particular occasion this was from autumn soccer too right and he said a few questions the first was where did george nanny have cambridge in their pre-season predictions again right the next one was what clubs will be making the playoffs in the championship it feels almost impossible to predict so this very next question he's pointed out how hard it is to predict things happening within the efl even halfway through the season um so so to call us out for not getting can quit cambridge right before a ball was kicked seems unfair um yeah you know cambridge are doing amazing things and i think we we kind of caught on to it relatively early on the pod that it felt like after a middling start suddenly they clicked into being a proper neil harris team of just in in the total chaos that is league two with apart from bromley recently generally the best teams going through periods where they look unstoppable and then going on a really poor run cambridge are that side where you can basically go to their games knowing that they're not going to give much away they're probably going to keep either a clean sheet or concede one goal and they've got enough attacking through us to probably come out of most games having created the better chances because of that low um goal line goal expectancy line against them and that you know in a in a chaotic frantic league where consistency can be so important and crucially in a league where as well as Salford are doing now as well as Swindon have done for much of the season um you know Sani mentioned there about Walsall and their style of play the the style of play that generally gets you up out of league two is the style of play that we're seeing from from walsall from bromley and to an extent cambridge it's low margin stuff it's been pretty attritional and you know it's teams who tend to try and play a bit who go through their poor runs and i think cambridge at this point you know they're how far off bromley are they uh eight points you know they're one of the they're one of the teams in this title race for sure and there's every chance they're finished in the top three oh very so harrison is harrison Bonner look inspired appointments from the club now.

58:44George Elek:How dare you say attritional but I'll take it. Producer Joel says end on this bit please. Well we haven't mentioned Pato. Well I know we haven't but you know Pato wanted to buy someone who's got 30 caps for Brazil buying Colchester is not as important as the attritional form of Cambridge United. We'll do it next time. But look thanks everybody and sorry we didn't get to the bottom of League 2 Harrogate 18 points Newport 20 Bristol Rovers Shrewsbury Crawley and Barrow all in the mix too but that'll do for today. Thanks everybody. Thank you Sanny. Cheers, thank you. Thanks Ali. Thank you very much Max.

59:16George Elek:Cheers George. Thank you Max. Football Weekly is produced by Joel Grove. Our executive producer is Daniel Stephens. We'll be back on Thursday.

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