1. Podcasts
  2. Forbes Daily Briefing
  3. How Vivek Ramaswamy's Well-Timed Ohio Move Likely Saved Him $12 Million In Taxes
Forbes Daily Briefing

17 Oct 2026 · 7m · 3 chapters

Episode artwork

How Vivek Ramaswamy's Well-Timed Ohio Move Likely Saved Him $12 Million In Taxes

In short

The episode discusses how Vivek Ramaswamy’s late-2019 move from New York to Ohio may have saved him about $12 million in taxes. It claims he proposed eliminating Ohio capital gains taxes and phasing out the state income tax, and that his own timing suggests tax-savvy planning. Key timeline: in Dec 2019, while Roy Vant Sciences prepared to close a $3B deal with Sumitomo, he sold his Manhattan condo, bought a $420,000 home in Ohio (Westchester Township), and registered to vote there. After the deal closed (Dec 27, 2019), a $1B share buyback began in Feb 2020, producing $174.5M capital gains in 2020.

Guests

Connie Luck (Ramaswamy spokesperson), Brian Gordon (CPA; former NY tax auditor), and Timothy Fogarty (Case Western Reserve tax/accounting professor). Notable examples include the estimated $20.8M combined NY state/NYC tax avoided and Ohio’s estimated $8.5M state tax.

Written by AI. May contain mistakes.

Chapters

1:07

Ramaswamy's Tax Proposal

Discussion on Ramaswamy's proposal to eliminate Ohio's capital gains tax.

“In case you haven't heard, Vivek Ramaswamy wants Ohio to stop taxing capital gains.”
1:59

Financial Windfall Analysis

Analysis of Ramaswamy's move to Ohio and its financial implications.

“Ramaswamy put his Manhattan condo up for sale.”
4:30

Experts Weigh In

Tax experts discuss the legality and commonality of such moves.

“Westchester Township levies no resident income or payroll tax, producing an estimated state and local tax savings of about$12.3 million compared with full-year New York City residency.”
A man walking through an airport, asking his phone a question

Ask about this episode

Get the gist, explore an idea or ask about something said.

Claude

On Forbes Daily Briefing, what are the key points of this episode?

Searching your listening

Transcript

Automatic transcript. May contain errors.

0:00Vivek Ramaswamy: Progressive's Accident Response can contact emergency services if you're in a major accident. The only thing worse than someone you love being in an accident is not being able to help them. So Progressive is here to help when you can't. So get peace of mind knowing your loved ones are protected with Progressive's Accident Response. Learn more at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates. Limited availability in California. Driver is responsible for emergency and towing charges not covered by the policy. Coverage subject to policy terms and conditions. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome.

0:33You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required compatibility and availability varies 18+. Today on Forbes, how Vivek Ramaswamy's well-timed Ohio move likely saved him$12 million in taxes. In case you haven't heard, Vivek Ramaswamy wants Ohio to stop taxing capital gains.

1:13The Republican candidate for governor has made the proposal his opening salvo in a larger tax-cutting agenda. That's to eliminate Ohio taxes on capital gains beginning next year. then phase out the state income tax altogether over the next decade. Last year, he said, quote, If we do it, founders will flock to Ohio in droves. Ramaswamy would know. His own move from New York to the state of Ohio in late 2019 came just before one of the largest windfalls of his career, likely saving him millions of dollars in state and municipal taxes. This according to CPAs, tax lawyers, and tax professionals who reviewed publicly available information about the matter.

1:58In December 2019, while Ramaswamy's biotech company Roy Vant Sciences was preparing to close on a previously announced$3 billion deal, Ramaswamy put his Manhattan condo up for sale. He then purchased a newly built home in Ohio's Westchester Township outside Cincinnati for$420 ,000. He moved to the new home and registered to vote in Ohio from the new address. The Roy Vant deal with Japanese drugmaker Sumitomo closed on December 27, 2019. Connected to that transaction, his board authorized a$1 billion share buyback that commenced in February 2020. For that year, Ramaswamy reported$176.7 million in total income, nearly three times as much money as he'd made in his entire career up to that point, according to his disclosed federal tax filings.

2:54The vast majority of Ramaswamy's 2020 income, that's$174.5 million, was a capital gain. And it apparently came from the transaction-related stock buyback. Ramaswamy reported$31.6 million in federal tax that year. Had he stayed in New York, his 2020 income, including the$174.5 million capital gain, would have generated an estimated$14.4 million in New York state tax, at the state's top 8.82 % rate that year. He also would have owed an estimated$6.3 million in New York City tax, at the municipality's top 3.876 % rate. That's about$20.8 million combined. The New York estimates assume all of Ramaswamy's federal itemized deductions were for qualifying charitable donations and apply the state's high-income deduction limit.

3:51The estimates exclude unknown state-specific adjustments in credits. And Forbes has not reviewed Ramaswamy's state tax returns. So instead of the$20.8 million he would have potentially owed in New York, By moving to Ohio when he did, Ramaswamy likely owed no New York State or New York City income tax on the$174.5 million. New York generally treats investment stock as intangible property and does not tax a non-resident's gains from the sale of such property as New York's source income, unlike wages earned from New York work or gains from New York real estate. Assuming Ramaswamy qualified as a full-year Ohio resident, his estimated total Ohio state income tax liability for 2020 would have been approximately$8.5 million before credits, plus roughly$30 ,300 in New York state tax, assuming he was a non-resident and all his wages were taxable there.

4:50Westchester Township levies no resident income or payroll tax, producing an estimated state and local tax savings of about$12.3 million compared with full-year New York City residency. Connie Luck, a spokesperson for Ramaswamy, said in a written statement, Like many young people, Vivek chose to move back to his home state to be near his parents and community ahead of having kids and raising a family. Those who sensibly leave New York for tax reasons flee to zero-tax states like Florida, not to a state like Ohio with a high state income tax of nearly 5 % in 2020. Brian Gordon, a CPA who worked as a New York State tax auditor for over 30 years and now advises clients through his private practice, says, quote, I think it's pretty cut and dry, actually.

5:42He changed his domicile to Ohio. The transaction took place after that, and it's an intangible asset, and that's it. He adds that Ramaswamy, quote, seems to have done a pretty good job. Indeed, there is nothing unlawful about swapping states before a big windfall and pending tax liability. It is common practice among those who are wealthy and tax savvy. Timothy Fogarty, a professor of tax and accounting at Case Western Reserve University, says, quote, people are always doing things like this. It's completely allowed. For full coverage, check out John Hyatt's piece on Forbes.com. This is Kieran Meadows from Forbes.

6:26Thanks for tuning in.

6:42Vivek Ramaswamy: Progressive's Accident Response can contact emergency services if you're in a major accident. The only thing worse than someone you love being in an accident is not being able to help them. So Progressive is here to help when you can't. So get peace of mind knowing your loved ones are protected with Progressive's accident response. Learn more at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates. Limited availability in California. Driver is responsible for emergency and towing charges not covered by the policy. Coverage subject to policy terms and conditions.

From the publisher

In case you haven’t heard, Vivek Ramaswamy wants Ohio to stop taxing capital gains. The Republican candidate for governor has made the proposal his opening salvo in a larger tax-cutting agenda: eliminate Ohio taxes on capital gains beginning next year, then phase out the state income tax altogether over the next decade. “If we do it,” he said last year, “founders will flock to Ohio in droves.”

Ramaswamy would know: His own move from New York to the state of Ohio in late 2019 came just before one of the largest windfalls of his career, likely saving him millions of dollars in state and municipal taxes, according to CPAs, tax lawyers and tax professionals who reviewed publicly available information about the matter.

Read the full story on Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhyatt/2026/10/02/how-vivek-ramaswamys-well-timed-ohio-move-likely-saved-him-12-million-in-taxes/
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

More from Forbes Daily Briefing

All episodes