BONUS - October Q&A!

0:10Hello friends and welcome to the Tennis Podcast. It is very nice to be with you tonight. Matt and I are wearing matching outfits in honour of our Friday night show. And of course, we have Disco David in the house. No pressure, David, to be fun tonight or anything, but you have come ready-made with a nickname. I feel a bit boringly dressed now, not only compared to yourselves, but also compared to that name. I should have thought ahead, but fortunately I've got my colourful personality to bring with me instead. How about that? Very good, very good, David. This was an accident from Matt and I. I wasn't expecting Matt to be wearing that top because he hasn't worn anything not Wimbledon branded in about a year and a half.

1:03Yeah, I'm going to have to take that on the chin because it's true. But I've decluttered. I've had a big sort out this week and have rediscovered items of clothes that were buried in drawers and at the back of cupboards and things. And yeah, this is a perfectly nice top that I just haven't worn for a year and a half because it's not Wimbledon. But yes, we did happen to match. What prompted your sort out? What gave you the impetus? I need a sort out, but my soul says no. I said no space, Catherine. It was just bad. It was just really bad. it's funny because your your podcast window that we see it suggests a very ordered decluttered space is that you're saying it's not been representative of your wider living arrangements no I think that would be fair but you're a new man now I am I've got space in drawers again okay okay and the Wimbledon merch has gone out of rotation?

2:15I'm sure it'll be back very, very soon. I also want to know what David's most disco outfit would have been. Well, what I thought I'd do is a bit like how we always celebrate, you know, the 500th episode a week late. Maybe I'll wear the disco outfit a week late as well. But what is the disco outfit, David? I'm actually absolutely hanging on finding that out. Stay tuned is all I can say. I've known you 18 years and I can't even... I'm wearing it on Monday, Catherine. Monday's pod. I just got so excited for it. I'm going to put that in the agenda. Have you ever worn anything with sequins, David?

3:04Yes. Have you? Hang on a second. hold hold the agenda yes this is the new this is the show now when in what circumstances are there pictures i was about seven or eight years old and i wore a spaceman's outfit um which had lots of silver and therefore was kind of yeah had a few sequins on there And some tinfoil. Yep. Okay. I was hoping that was going to be a story of you wearing sequins in adulthood. Well, deliberately. I should have known better than to get my hopes up. Yeah. Matt wears sequins sometimes. Didn't we once buy matching sequiny belts? Yes, I found that in my drawer the other day. Did you?

4:05Matt and I went on a shopping trip in Palm Springs to buy outfits to go to the Taylor Swift concert in Las Vegas and we found ourselves in a shop called Game Art and it was a great time. Turned out to be exactly what we needed. Yeah, catered to all of our needs. Right, much as I would love to continue down this road, we have a show a great show guest edited today by Cara and Paul Lynch a brother and sister duo which I love I think this is our first brother sister sister duo guest editing show Paul has guest edited a show before earlier this year a great show if I recall and he just can't get enough he's back with sister Cara and I love that for them and I love the selection of questions that we have today, a combination of Cara and Paul's questions, questions that they've selected from the barge, which always comes up strong with great questions.

5:13They seem to be absolutely never-ending. So without further ado, let's get going, shall we, with our first question. I think this one's from Paul. We start with a question from Paul who says, Looking back at the 2025 season, name one player on both the men's and women's side that exceeded your expectations and ones who came up short. David. Disco David, I'm going to you first. For which ones? For the whole question. All of them. OK. OK, well, the people... OK, well, should we do exceeded expectations first then, if you're unhappy with the couching of the question? I'm happy to reveal all of my hands, but I don't want to steal the floor and then ruin all of yours.

6:07Let's go exceeded. Let's start on a David-esque positive. OK, well, exceeding my expectations in 2025 have been Jasmine Paolini.

6:24who I probably underestimated, as usual. But actually, on a serious note, I just feel like the last six weeks, I'm thinking of the Billie Jean King Cup, and now what she's doing. I watched her today beat Belinda Bencic. It was just so gutsy what she was doing out there. When you consider how tired she must be, the amount of tennis she plays, if you consider her singles and doubles. and here she is after this incredible breakthrough year where she's just gone and reached Grand Slam finals. She's come out and she's still in the top eight in the world and she's playing her best stuff at the end of the year.

7:04I think she's going to leave me with memories from this year that I really wasn't anticipating. I didn't think she would be a complete blowout this year but I did not expect her to be backing up last year. OK, maybe not to the sort of extravagant way of reaching Grandstand Finals, but in her own way, winning Rome, winning the Billie Jean King Cup, doing this. I think it's fantastic. So I'm going Jasmine Paolini and I'm going... I'll take Rindikinesh.

7:40Because... It was going to be a member of the Rindikinesh family, wasn't it? It was just choosing the right one. I mean, if you had told me when we were laughing at him at the French Open, probably unfairly, really, given he was playing Yannick Sinner, but after his five-game run and just thinking he's that guy. I just thought he's... He was playing the clown and we were laughing. Yeah, I thought he's that guy who puts on a show for a few games and redlines it and gets lots of crowd cheers but isn't a serious person. That's what I thought he was. And I think he's proved that. I think he's proved he's more than that.

8:23I mean, he's 28 in the world. He's beaten Zverev at Wimbledon. That was a great moment. And then he's followed that up by consistently producing results and now reached a Masters 1000 final. and he's at a career high ranking at the age of 30. So, yeah, he's exceeded my expectations significantly. If you're having Renda Kinesh, I'll have Valentin Vachero. Although, does that have to count? Did you have expectations? Yeah, you have to know something exists to have expectations of them, don't you? So maybe that doesn't work. Look, my answer on the women's side, And I want to get this in before Matt answers because I'm very interested in what Matt thinks and where Matt's gone with this, with his answers.

9:18because my answer, without even needing to really think about this, was Amanda Anisimova, because I think I've been pretty frank with how bowled over I've been by her season, pretty much her whole season, from kind of spring onwards. And I just absolutely did not see this coming, not because of talent, but because, frankly, I'd kind of filed her away in my mind with, and I can't believe I'm going to say this out loud, but with Bianca Andreescu. Like, incredible talent, no one's doubting that, but probably destined never to fulfil it for reasons largely outside of her control. not quite sort of injury-cursed in the same way as Bianca Andreescu, but just never destined to really be.

10:20And that's who she was in my mind. I thought she might have little peaks and little troughs. I thought she might continue to have periods away from the tour and be a sort of occasional, well, not quite occasional, that's too strong, but maybe even a part-time tennis player. I just didn't think she had this in her I really really didn't and I suspect Matt's answer isn't Amanda Anisimova because I think Matt did think that she had this in her over to you Matt No my answer isn't Amanda Anisimova because I've got her for an answer to a later question I didn't want a quarter of tonight's answers to be Amanda Anisimova So I thought I better come up with some variety.

11:12I agree with everything you've just said, Catherine. I think that was really well said. And as much as I have absolutely always believed in Amanda Nissimova's talent, I'm going to check myself here. We did one of these Q &A shows earlier in the year predicting the WTA finals lineup for the end of the year. And I did not have Amanda Nissimova in it. You know, like she has absolutely exceeded my expectations this year. I didn't think she would reach back-to-back Grand Sam Finals. I thought she was capable, but I didn't think she would actually do it. So, yes, definitely she could be my answer to this question.

11:50I've actually done the exact sort of opposite of David. And rather than looked at the period we've just had, I've gone right back to the start of the season. And Madison Keyes is my answer because I still think Amanda Nissimova's name. I still think Madison Keyes winning in Australia is the most amazing result of the season. And the way she did it, beating Rybakina, Sviontek and Sabalenka all in one tournament, her start to the year was just absolutely electric. But I think really the way she's exceeded my expectations is that she became such an exhilarating watch to me. Like I went out of my way to watch Madison Keys this year in a way that I haven't done before.

12:47You know, like I remember particularly like at the French Open and wanting to go out and watching her save those match points against Kennen. Like even that is a really memorable match and experience for me this year. And I wouldn't say that other seasons have really been like that for me with Madison Keys, you know. So not only has she won a slam, she's also just become a player that I've really wanted to watch a lot. So, you know, kind of exceeding expectations in a couple of different ways there. And obviously her season has tailed off, but, you know, she still won a slam this season. She had that long, great streak at the start of the season.

13:27And yeah, so that's where my mind went when it wasn't going to Amanda Nissamova. That's a great answer. And on the men's side? I found this a little bit tricky because, you know, obviously Vachero stood out, but I didn't go for him because I didn't have that many expectations of him. Is this going to be weird? I actually think Carlos Alcaraz has exceeded my expectations this year, in particular in this newfound consistency. Like, I did not think we were going to see that from Carlos Alcaraz this year. You know, even going back to the start of the season, he didn't really have it. You know, think of, you know, that performance against Djokovic in Australia.

14:13And he lose to David Goffin this year, right at the start of the season. right um and then kind of since then he's just got to you know so many finals played the most streamlined perfect tennis i think of his career improved his serve like beating yannick sinner in a hard court grand slam final you know i just obviously i obviously have high expectations of careers but I didn't think he would be winning this way and that has exceeded my expectations of him that that consistency that he's brought I suppose I think that's a great answer and in terms of who came up short David I feel like on the men's side there's quite an obvious answer teed up for you here if you'd like to have the floor joel fonseca is is the person who who is who i thought was going to do amazing things who didn't um i mean look that sounds really harsh when i when i say it out loud because he's 45 in the world he's only 19 years of age if you'd have said that a year ago you'd have been wow that that's good but i think what it is because of what he did in australia when he beat rublev I thought that was that was the sort of performance that I thought could change the face of how we look at tennis really at the moment, the landscape I thought he could have been joining Sinner and Alcaraz quite soon after that performance and that hasn't happened and not even close so his year has gone 21 wins, 14 losses, which is a perfectly respectable first year on the tour, except that that performance got people like me overexcited.

16:18And it's harsh on Fonseca, that. I've got a question for you here, David. Take away the Rublev win in Australia. Let's just go back to the very start of the season when it's not like we didn't know about the talent of Joel Fonseca, but things changed after that Rublev win in Melbourne. He's just the guy that's won the next-gen finals at this point. 21 wins and 14 losses. Would you have considered that a disappointing season at that point? No, I don't think so, really. I think I would have thought that that is probably fair enough. But I didn't realise, I didn't think his game would look like it looked in Australia.

17:05against Rublev that night. I mean, it was just a joke. He was making a top 10 player look like nothing. But I think it was, I think that was probably the best tennis we've seen from him all year. And also he was just being fed the ball exactly where he wanted it. And other people haven't been doing this. So he's learning that tennis is actually harder at the top level than maybe he realised. and on the women's side um well on the women's side i've gone for rebecca stramkova um because of how well she did at the end of last year she got up to um i think 33 in the world at one point early early this year but she ended last year at 45 she's now at 65 she's won 20 matches she's lost 26 and it's I think when when we started the year I was really excited about what she'd shown at the end of last year and and she was unable to really carry that on I mean I think one thing you do see is when they get a tough draw and I saw her play Svantec and Sabalenka or top top players and suddenly it's it's a different we're talking about a different sport then so again I think maybe that's a bit harsh because perhaps you shouldn't have too high expectations off the back of a good end to a year but I did

18:40Matt on the men's side I think what was interesting is that a lot of the players who have you know not had very good seasons by their past standards I'd actually already dropped my expectations of them you know a sit surpass a rublev a medvedev you know i i think they've they've actually i think that that would be one of our takes which have aged aged reasonably well you know i don't think we were necessarily expecting them to have great season so i sort of immediately looked at them but then thought actually i'm not sure my expectations of them were all that high i actually ended up going on the men's side with francis tiafoe because the vibes are bad.

19:21And I've always thought his game was potentially a little bit flawed. You know, some of that technique can be exposed and he's not, you know, going to be a sort of threat all year round. I get that. I set my expectations there with Tiafa, but I do expect vibes and buzz and energy and, you know, the odd bit of magic and all that kind of thing. And I just think we haven't seen that. In fact, we've seen really the opposite of that really sort of bad energy and some slightly disappointing moments from him. So, yeah, he he stood out to me. I did see this morning that he's actually part of company with David Witts and his team.

20:05generally i think he is having a big big reset so you know i think um i think you know he would probably say that he hasn't he hasn't lived up to expectations either and he's going to try and do something about that for next year um on the women's side and this might be harsh but it might also be a me problem i had quite high expectations i went with diana schneider um me too just just Just because, you know, in fact, looking now, she's 18 in the race, which isn't that bad, you know. But I think what I was expecting was for there to be like a step up at the slams this year. And it felt like last year she won those titles on different surfaces, didn't she?

20:47It felt like she was maybe primed to, I thought, be a real threat. You know, she's got a big game when it's firing. She hasn't felt that relevant this year. Like, if you're a casual tennis fan, you know, tuning in for the big moments and the big matches and the big tournaments, you probably don't know about Dana Schneider. Agreed, yeah. And I had a quick look. She's got an exact four wins, four losses at the Slams. Two of those wins were in Australia, where she played that really good match against Vekic and lost it, but hasn't got a top 50 win at a Slam. And look, maybe part of that is on me and setting those expectations and probably not accounting for the kind of difficult second season, maybe, you know, where players have figured out your game a little bit.

21:36And she also had a coaching split, didn't she, right at the start of the year. Igor Andreev went to work with Alexandrova and she's ended up having a really good year, Alexandrova. And Schneider just hasn't quite made that leap that I thought she would make. make you know it might still come but yeah she she really stood out to me when I was just looking through the rankings on the WTA side and thinking god I was expecting more from her I think well I did put her in my fantasy team you know at the start of the year and I remember being annoyed because I wanted her and I ended up with Alexandra which right yeah more for me interesting generally regarding this question which is a great question to kick off with Paul how much easier it is to pick candidates both for exceeded and fail to live up to expectations on the WTA side than on the ATP side.

22:31I think that tells you quite a lot about where the respective tours are at. Like ATP, we know who everybody is and everybody is pretty much just being who they are. You know, Taylor Fritz is out there being Taylor Fritz. He's reliably beating Alexander Zverev. he's the world number three slash four he's never going to beat Al Karaz or Sinna or Djokovic at a slam for now maybe he'll rebadge himself I don't know whereas WCA there's a lot more people out there surprising us I think in good and bad ways second question a golf related question thank you Cara Cara says in golf Many of the tour players use a swing coach, focusing on technique as their primary coach.

23:25In tennis, it seems like the players opt for strategists and endurance coaches first and sports psychologists to round out the team. Given how important grips and service motions are to tennis players, are you surprised more primary coaches in tennis are not swing coaches? Really interesting question. I think if you don't mind me broadening it out ever so slightly, Cara, I think what surprises me the most in this area in coaching is that there aren't just more technical coaches generally, that it isn't more of a specialised discipline, technical coaching that you wouldn't have that, you know, with the proliferation of teams generally and resource at the top of the game.

24:14you don't have a service coach, a volley coach, even a backhand coach or a forehand coach. Maybe that's taking it too far. But I'm surprised it's not a role that's more divided up, certainly for those at the top of the game that could afford to dedicate that extra resource. David, what do you think? we have seen a bit of it over the years i think back to novak jokovic hiring mark woodford and todd martin trying to improve his volleys and when he brought brought boris becker in i think part of that was about trying to come forward and improve his serve improve his net game goran helped improve his his serve maybe of all the top players jokovic is the one who's tinkered with his game the most in order to to try to improve specific shots and more recently we've seen uh Irina Sabalenka solve her serving problems with the biomechanist on the serve and we're seeing Coco Goff now try to do that but I think I think the difference between golf and tennis and I only say this as sort of a lay person really but but I think that I when we've spoken to pam and other top players about how long it might take to embed something that you're working on technically i think the difference is that in golf it's the it's the closest thing to golf is the serve in as much as that's the bit that isn't affected by your opponent you know you can just try to get that technique right from a standing start all the other shots are all well and good to work on technically on a practice court but then what happens when you get somebody with a totally different style to whoever you're practicing with coming at you with a different angle different spin different pace with the stress i just don't think you can make the changes that that can improve your fortunes really at that age and when you're that established.

26:28You've got to do it earlier or you've got to have a big period of off time in order to tinker with it. And even then, I don't see that it works that much. I remember Andy Murray talking about it for a while. And he even mentioned when he was working with Djokovic that Djokovic was asking him certain questions and he realised he didn't really have the answers technically because he's not that sort of, you know, he just, he knows how to do it. he's not broken down technique in that way in his mind um and i just i just don't think you can do it with such an athletic explosive sport where your opponent is is coming at you all the time i think it's a great point david be surprised that service coaches aren't more of a thing or a thing at all.

27:24Yeah, given... Given that that is a shot that you can take in isolation and it is comparable to a golf swing in that way. Yeah, I think particularly given what Djokovic has shown you can achieve, he has taken... If you go back and watch video of him from 2007, say, or later, it bears no resemblance to what he's doing now with that serve. I mean, there are a lot of parts of his game that look look different to the eye there are elements of Federer's game that stood that looked different you could see you can see the little tweaks that he's made in greater amounts when you see the years between them and but I look at Djokovic and I think there's a guy who's actually turned a weakness into a strength and that's the serve um so but then you know he's got unlimited resources so what do you do do you do you have multiple coaches do you shelve your existing coach because you want somebody specifically working on the serve I don't know but but I do think that they've shown and Goran in particular I mean with Cilic as well I think he's shown what can be achieved I remember when I worked with Greg Rzedski a lot at Amazon he to end like I don't know if he specifically pitched himself out to any particular tour players.

28:49I suspect he did. But I wasn't sort of privy to those phone calls. But like he talks about how he would be up for being a serve coach and was sort of hoping that that would be a thing that would catch on, I suppose, because it would probably put him into more work um and yeah and I I am I am surprised that that hasn't caught on I do wonder I do wonder if there have been just a few very high profile examples of these specialist coaches not working out and that has made people a bit gun shy about it I don't know you know your Mark Woodford's in your wasn't Richard Krycek brought on board by I'm going to say Stan Wawrinka at Wimbledon Martina Navratilova worked with Agnieszka Radlanska for a few weeks I don't know whether that was I got the sense that the idea was to try to get her coming forwards more now or also the champion mentality I'm sure was part of it but that didn't last long Matt What do you think?

30:02Yeah, I mean, my overall take on this was exactly the same as David's, really. I think this does really speak to the difference between tennis and golf. I think David put it well. The way I would express it would be like, I think in golf, the single biggest thing determining your ability to hit the shot you want to hit is your technique. And you can replicate shots that you have to hit. you know you can literally go out to the course put a ball down and hit the shot that you're going to have to hit you know whereas tennis there are so many moving parts in a in a rally once it's going and it's dependent on who your opponent is and you know what the score is and it's just like and where you are in the court and how quickly the ball's coming at you and what sort of spin the ball has on it like there's just so many elements that go into a tennis shot that i think make technique once once the rally gets underway very very important absolutely but very hard to actually make the sort of changes that you can make in golf so i think that's why the focus is more on it in golf but what i would say is i don't think we should underestimate the amount of technique changes that are going on even if they're not having technical specialist coaches in to do them like i i can't think of a of a top player in the time that i've been watching tennis who hasn't tinkered and tried to find something with their technique and as david said go back and watch these players from 10 years ago and now and their technique on the shots particularly the serve the serve is the big one can look so different nadal's serve look totally different at different points in his career djokovic is a very obvious example like there are there are so many examples there sinner as well you know he's he's gone from that you know he had the pinpoint stance the platform stance now he's doing stuff with his elbow you know even on forehands and backhands Alcaraz has changed the way he lines up his his backhand and his forehand as well like they are making changes they're just I think harder to spot and the focus is maybe just just not as on them as they are in golf because of what we've just said about the differences in those sports.

32:22Great question. Next one comes from Sumit on The Barge. Very simple. What are your favourite matches from past WTA finals? I panic at questions like this because it's like Carlos Alcaraz trying to name a woman. and all tennis matches go out of my brain. But Matt and David are brilliant at this. Who wants to go first? Matt, let's go to you. Do you know, I actually struggled with this a little bit more than I thought I might. I do usually really back myself to just pick out good matches from past tournaments. I must say, to me, I've never been a huge lover of the end-of-year finals anyway, and I think I've always had more vivid memories of the ATP finals just because it was in London for so long and you know I got to go as a fan and and all that kind of thing but the WTA finals that really sticks in my mind is the 2014 one it was one of the ones in Singapore and I think it sticks in my mind and it's kind of an example of the fact that events can come along at a time in your life where you're just able to watch and that was my first term at uni and let me tell you i was doing a lot of time in my room watching tennis because that was my way to get through it and i watched all of this wta finals and in particular serena's matches you know this really sticks in my mind she got taken apart against simona halet in the round robins lost love and two managed to get out of the group then another match that sticks in the mind is beating Wozniacki in a final set tie break that Serena did in that in the semi-finals.

34:09Wozniacki served for that match. Serena broke one in the tie break. And then she meets Halep again in the final, you know, a rematch of their group stage match. And I remember just being fascinated by it. Like surely Halep's not going to be able to beat Serena again, you know, and she didn't. Serena absolutely crushed her in the final, kind of complete reverse of their round-robin match. And I think it was an interesting case study of just how much sharper Serena was in that final where the stakes were, there was everything versus a round-robin where everyone knows our views on round-robin, you don't need to win every match.

34:49And yeah, so I just, I'm sure there've been better matches at the WTA finals, but that was the addition that really stuck in my mind because I remember literally watching all of it and that arc that Serena went on from appearing really vulnerable in that first match to, oh no, she's like, of course, as dominant as ever in the final was just an interesting one to happen in the space of a tournament. That's a great answer. So much better than mine, which would just be remembering all the nonsense of Cancun and the furniture flying across the court. Every match is played in a hurricane. David, restore some order for us.

35:34It's not my answer, but I actually wanted to give a quick shout out to, remember the addition we had in Guadalajara, which was fantastic. Just every match was an amazing atmosphere. Won by Muguruza? Muguruza over Annette Contivate. Amazing how quickly things change. But actually, a little bit like Matt, I'm sort of slightly selfishly going back to the two editions that I attended in Singapore. I was working, I was commentating for BT Sport, who were the rights holders at the time. And it was an absolute privilege to be in Singapore, on site, in the stadium, looking out the window, sitting next to Martina Narutalova and watching these matches.

36:22And there were just a couple of great storylines, I remember, from those years, the first of which, 2016, all the way through. And as a British broadcasting company, we were very high on Johanna Conte, Joe Conte, getting to the finals. And she was basically in. She was already in Singapore whilst Svetlana Kuznetsova was in Moscow knowing that she had to win that tournament in order to actually knock Conta out of the eight and make her into an alternate. And Conta's having a photo taken and all this. And, you know, Kuznetsova's playing some epics in this tournament in Moscow, ends up winning that tournament.

37:08next day she arrives and she's playing and all of her matches ended up being epics in Singapore as well and I was looking at the scores and I mean I remember them just being amazing matches and she was just playing the best tennis I'd ever seen from her I know she won a couple of grand slams but this was you know tail end of her career really or she hadn't been that relevant for a while at the very least I mean it's 12 years after she'd won the US Open and she she played Redvanska and she beat her 7-5 in the third and then she beat Pliskova and beat her 7-6 in the third and they were just just incredible incredibly dramatic matches she ended up losing a very similar time match to Sibyl Kovar who won the whole thing you know she was a total underdog to win that tournament then a year later we had the run of Caroline Garcia to the finals and she had to win back to back she had to win Beijing and Wuhan in order to make it and she did it she did exactly that um and ended up having some some epics of her own it was just they were just great storylines to follow when you were there as a commentator and um yeah I I sort of I I'm sure there were matches standalone matches that that might stand in the minds of people more but I think just selfishly those are the ones for me Great answers really really good Kuznetsov is on the ballot for the Hall of Fame next year with Roger Federer and Mary Carillo and Martin Del Potro I've named a couple of players there Catherine in Kuznetsov and Pliskova who I don't remember ever announcing their retirements you know and yet I think Pliskova is still playing Is she?

39:00When did she last play? She played quite recently. Really? I think at a 1-2-5. Kuznetsov I think has low-key retired and just not felt the need to have various different ceremonies and take assorted wild cards. Good on her. I think Klischkerva is still a tennis player. I did not know that. you'll probably be getting some political ceremonies somewhere soon next question from Cara in your position as podcasters and tennis journalists you undoubtedly hear a number of rumours and stories about the athletes, the coaches, the tournaments and the tours yes we do Cara what goes into the decision making about when to reveal this news do you have a philosophy about when you could or should break a story or mention a rumour Has there ever been a story you heard but declined to break that you wish you would have?

40:03David's probably the guy to go to on this. I mean, very loosely, we kind of follow the same journalistic standards that our writing colleagues would. I mean, for example, the athletics policy is everything that they write and print has to be double sourced. So confirmed by two sources independent of one another. And generally speaking, if the Athletic aren't, and this would have been a guideline for us before we officially partnered with the Athletic as well, just because, you know, they're a real benchmark in terms of their journalism. Generally speaking, if they're not prepared to publish a story, then we wouldn't be prepared to talk about it on the airwaves.