BONUS - Our final live Q&A of 2025!

0:10Hello, friends, and welcome to the Tennis Podcast and our final live Q &A show of 2025. I love these shows. They are some of my very, very favourites. I really look forward to them. I look forward to seeing the vibes in the chat. I look forward to seeing your two faces. David, how are you doing? Yeah, I like them too. Because I always do just a little bit of prep for these. You know, some shows I don't do any prep for. So that's one of the questions answered. Start talking. But the thing is, because the questions always require some thoughts. And I like that. And they often get me just thinking about things in a different way.

1:00And then I often find out stuff about you two that I didn't know or the way you're looking at things. So, yeah, I enjoy these very much. Matt probably does less prep for these shows than he does for a regular show, I think, but still quite a lot of prep. Yes, as we'll talk about later, I like to be prepared always. but I very much enjoy these shows too Matt Futterman messaged me the other week saying that he really enjoys the Q &As as well they're some of his favourite because quote they're kind of random which yeah they are I thought yeah that is true we will go off in all sorts of directions and that's fun yeah and that's partly down to the guest editors that we have today's guest editor is Etienne who I think is, well, was hoping to join us live.

1:57I think might be in the chat. Haven't seen him yet, but I'm keeping my eye out. Hello to Etienne. And thank you for your brilliant guest editorship of today's show. We've got some questions from Etienne. I think one from Etienne and the rest that Etienne has selected. Yes, Etienne is here at Etienne21. Everybody in the chat say hello to Etienne because he's created a fabulous show for us today. One question of his own, which is brilliant. And then he selected a bunch of questions from the barge and they're all good 'uns and they are all really quite random. And that is the beauty of a Q &A show.

2:40Shall we get going? Let's do it. Don't all speak at once. Right. First question is selected by Etienne from Alex via The Barge. And it's excellent. What a starting point for a Q &A show this is. Alex asks, do you need a pantomime villain to get your blood flowing? Without wishing to reveal myself as a complete cliche, I always hated the disruptor that was Novak Djokovic. I loved Rafa, enjoyed Roger and loved to hate Novak. While I couldn't be more thrilled by the rise of S and A I'm going to assume that's Sena and Alcaraz Could be Shvantec and Anasimova I find myself worrying if I need that villain to really get my juices flowing Being happy when either wins just doesn't quite cut the mustard While Zverev would so naturally fulfil this role in theory He is so terrible in practice But do I need to hate someone?

3:46I love this question I, Alex and Matt and David I'm so intrigued about what your answers are going to be here I think it entirely depends on your personality type but I think I am like Alex or certain, oh Siri doesn't know I think I am similar to Alex in that I don't need a pantomime villain to get into tennis like I'm into Sinner and Alcaraz and Shvantech and Anasimova without a pantomime villain but I do think a pantomime villain would enhance my enjoyment of those dynamics definitely and I think I think there's something very human about that you know in some ways in quite a dark way like nothing unites people like a common enemy right the politics of fear is a powerful tool for a reason that's what the whole of Wicked is about great great films so I think it makes sense on a very very human level I wouldn't beat yourself up for being a cliche Alex but I think the extent to which you really really relish the pantomime villainy kind of depends on your your personality type and how much you like camp and nonsense um i quite like camp and nonsense and i also will say i think i can say this given this is a friend show some of our collective best tennis watching experiences have been watching alexander's Varev lose.

5:28Have they not? Yeah, absolutely. We have a great time. Like the stakes are never higher. Like obviously we've had some bad times watching him win, but we've had some good times watching him lose on centre court in the back of taxis. Doesn't really matter where we are. We're having a good time. Yeah, we took a selfie on centre court when he lost to Arthur Wynnecht.

6:03Just to mark that moment. Yeah, it's a great picture. I have to say, though, I do find Zverev a very different case here. Like, I don't think there's... I would not class him as a pantomime villain. And actually... No, it is the common enemy thing, but it's not it's not fun yeah and actually as a you know as someone covering the sport rather than just watching the sport purely as a fan I think I have come to want villains a bit less you know like I don't want to have to tell those stories I don't want them winning stuff you know we're not going to shy away from it um I'm going to highlight the bad stuff but I would rather that you know the true villains faded into obscurity and irrelevance and we could focus more on telling the uplifting stories and the good stories there's many out there but in terms of a pantomime villain like i do love those you know and i do think tennis tennis has them in in abundance and I think it's richer for it.

7:17Medvedev at his best. Exactly. There's a flip side that isn't pantomimey and is just dark. But when Medvedev's in that mode, that's true pantomime villainy and it's beautiful. Yeah. Ostapenko as well, obviously that's had a dark side this year as well. But she's had some pantomime villain moments. David, what do you think? It occurred to me when Vicky flashed up the message from Rachel about almost like defining what a pantomime is to people who aren't from the UK. But I think you're getting the gist of it. It's sort of slapstick almost villains, isn't it? I think pantomimes are impossible to explain.

8:07Yes, they are, aren't they? It's stage show. Because as soon as you start saying it, you're like, what am I talking about? And how do you get that across? How is that part of your culture? The closest thing to it really is the wrestling heel, I think, in American wrestling or something like that. When it's not real, you know, but they're cast as the bad guy. And I think you sum it up very well about Zverev, why he's different. is there's something really sinister about him for me, that his record, the experience of having him in the sport for several years has made me feel very uncomfortable on many occasions, and therefore I feel better about it when he's not in the tournament.

9:00And yet I am also somebody who watches every one of his matches. and I mean I think mainly because I'm sort of I'm looking to see who's going to beat him next because I think he's so beatable by so many different players and yet I also think he's capable of playing so much better than he is as well a lot of the time and I sometimes I think he's cracked it other things other times I don't just to get back to the question I don't think I need somebody to hate or dislike but i need somebody to root for i have to want one of the players to win i have to have a reason for that in my mind and and i'm like in every sport i'll find a way i'll find something that makes me want one to win over the other i can't just watch it as a sort of clash of tennis strokes or golf strokes or punches in boxing or whatever.

10:00I have to have a reason in my mind for why I want one of these two people to win, or teams, and I pretty much never fail to achieve that. And sometimes that can be wanting the other person to lose. Yes, absolutely. That's sort of the most negative version of rooting. Yeah, yeah. NFL, I want the Dallas Cowboys to lose in NFL every single time. Right. Man U. Yeah. Wolves. Brentford. Chelsea. Burnley. Burnley. Scott Parker. Yeah. Scott Parker. Wickham. Yeah. I mean, I grew up in a household where it was much more important that Wales lost the rugby than it was England won the rugby. Right. You know, so, you know, I'm a sort of hater at heart from my dad.

10:53Have either of you two ever been in a pantomime? Don't think so. No, but my aunt was an actor on stage and screen, and she was in many pantomimes when I was young. And we would go and watch her. And I remember when I was really young, she was Cinderella. And we met afterwards, we met, in inverted commas, the Ugly Sisters, who were very mean to her. In real life? No, just on the stage. And I just watched them do it. I thought you meant they were doing method acting. I met them in real life afterwards, and I couldn't handle it. And I tried to kick them. I tried to... Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, I was trying to kick them in the ankles under the table and all sorts.

11:53I could not handle the fact that they were mean to my auntie. And I'd been watching this. It was awful. I'm so glad I asked. I think I had to be removed. So did you sort of every Christmas, it's a... For anybody that doesn't know, it's a holiday festive time tradition in the UK. So did you get to go and see your auntie starring in a pantomime every Christmas then? Absolutely. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And usually sort of very minor celebrities star in them. Yes. Like there are some tennis players that will have done. I bet you Pat Cash has been in a panto in the UK. I think Annabelle Croft will have been in a panto.

12:46Yeah. Tim Henman would never go near panto, but I bet you he's declined some offers. It's only a matter of time for Greg, I would say. Yeah. Greg might have been actually asking to be in. You ever been in a panto, Matt? No, I don't think I have. Or senior auntie star in one? No, we would always go to a panto at Christmas up until I was, I don't know. Oh, no, you didn't. Yeah, mid-teens probably. And then we started to go to sort of slightly more serious theatre. A mid-teenager going to a panto is right. Yeah, I think we sort of reached the point where it was time. Maybe I wasn't quite that old.

13:32There's different levels of humour. That's what I think is fun about a panto. Yeah. yeah well there's a lot of innuendo isn't there which you don't get when you're eight yeah yeah i wonder how much of panto is sort of works for 2025 because i remember i used to be in the the ice skate the pant my ice rink used to put on a pantomime every christmas and i used to be in that um and there was a a pantomime dame is a big big part of the pantomime tradition right and the joke there is just a man dressing up as a woman which obviously isn't funny anymore um anyway i'm now just riffing on riffing on on on the existential crisis of pantomimes anyway i've really enjoyed this it's been brilliantly random and i've learned a lot about david I kind of don't want to move on, but there's so many other good questions, so I can't just talk about pantomimes for the next hour.

14:40Next question comes from Arvind via The Barge. Arvind asks, will Karolina Mukova win a second WTA title? And if so, please tell me when. Alternatively, who wins a second WTA title first, Karolina Mukova or Emma Raducani? who would like to go first with this one? Well, I'm quite happy to answer both questions. Yes, Matt? I was going to say, I feel like you're very well placed to answer this. I think you had both of these players in your fantasy team last year. You're a real believer, both of these players. I love these two. I love watching them. and they are probably they're right up there in the players that I want to maximize their potential which I consider to be considerable um I I I don't think it's a question I think it's the bigger question is how many how many they win and how big they are I don't think it's I think you got anything to worry about often I think that you know I I know I know injuries are a concern but I believe that it is coming for them.

16:00I really think that they could win big. I mean, they're sort of slightly forgotten, and I realise why, because there's this incredible group that is ahead of them, and they don't get talked about that much. But I still think when you put them up against a lot of the top players, their games stand up. I mean, Karolina Mukova wasn't really fully fit against Naomi Osaka at the US Open, I don't think. And yet she gave her a heck of a run for her money. She very nearly beat Jessica Bagula in that semifinal a couple of years ago. So I think it's coming from Mukova. I mean, if she stays fit, it's a hell of a big if.

16:43I realise that. But I'm optimistic. I'm going to stay optimistic. I think that they will both win a title, Arvind, in 2026. David in optimism shocker Matt I think I can get on board with that I could see both of them winning a title in 2026 obviously health permitting and that's probably the biggest concern for Mukova she did play a full schedule I think from Roland Garros onwards pretty much we saw her all the big events but early stages she wasn't hitting the two-handed back cam was she but by the end of the year that was back um i just always carry a fear of injury like but also within a tournament like it's it is quite remarkable that she has only won one career title because we do think of mukova exactly as davis described there as someone who has the level you know and can push the top players and but something is going on in these tournaments like even when she's fit and playing she's not winning them and i think a lot of it is that she sort of gets hurt if not injured during a tournament and by the end of it she's accumulated so much like stress on her body that she's maybe not quite herself she's six and nine in semi-finals on tour she's one and five in finals you know like she's got an issue at the end of these tournaments and i think partly it can be about the level you know i think she's she's so good but there are players with bigger weapons who can kind of rip it from you more than she can but i also just worry a little bit about you know if she's played three or four matches already in a tournament likelihood is by the end but by that point she's carrying some kind of niggle or something and she's not quite 100 and i think that would go a long way to explaining why she's only got one title despite her excellent brilliant tennis generally.

18:50But I do fall down on the same side as David, that if she keeps playing and keeps fit, I do think she'll pick off another title. Because she is plenty good enough, and I think she could have a run where she doesn't get herself too involved in long matches and has a bit more in the tank at the end of a tournament, which I think would be important for her. So I'm predicting a title for Karolina Mukova next year, like David. Yeah, I can get on board with that. I think they will both win other titles. I don't think that's too bold a prediction. You know, look at some of the names names and ranks of players that win titles like they are both way better than sort of the low bar for for winning titles um so I'd say probably they both will in 2026 um I do just sort of generally on how I feel about both their careers I do I I kind of agree with all your points but I do I do have a I do have a bit of a sort of bugbear not bugbear but just sort of thing in my brain about sort of the sweeping statement of provided X player stays fit it's taking the example of Karolina Mukova who's 29 years old and has never been able to stay fit like that's like saying if they if they have a better serve or a better forehand or, you know, like that is who she is and she is unable to stay fit.

20:37Like her body kind of, like we've seen enough now, her body can't really cope with top-level tennis. So I think there's still, I think I have quite a lot of doubts still about Emirati Karno and whether her body can cope with the rigours of real consistent life on tour. But there's more time for Amarada Karnou to maybe change her trajectory on that front and change her body. But with Mukova at 29, I'm kind of assuming she's basically not going to be consistently fit. That would be surprising to me if she suddenly becomes a player that's consistently fit at 29 years of age. So I do unfortunately think that is going to continue to be a blight on her career and will hold her back from achieving her potential, which I don't think anybody would argue about.

21:36And that's sad. But I don't think it's going to be a tragedy. Like, I think she'll achieve more things. I do agree with you both on that front. It's just not what we all want her to do based on what a joy she is to watch. Yeah. So Catherine Whitaker is slightly less optimistic than David Law. Shock. There you go. A bit of a concern if it would be the other way around, wouldn't it? Next question is from Rachel Sayre via the barge. And just before we have Rachel's question, I would like to take this opportunity to thank Rachel for the absolutely joyful, not even gift, like package of gifts that she presented each of us with when we saw her at the history conference last week.

22:33Like so much thought and care and love had gone into each of them. And it really, they bowled us all over. And Billie Jean and Pippin will enjoy their dog champagne together on Christmas Day, Rachel. And photos of that will be appearing on social media. So thank you, Rachel. And also thank you to everybody else that gave us gifts. Kai gave me a lovely dog bauble for my tree. Vicky gave us gifts. I'm wearing one of them now it's a pin that says I'm too clumsy to be around fragile masculinity so thank you all you lovely lovely people yeah just so much loveliness thank you Rachel's question what's a tournament you haven't been to but is on your wish list I wonder if Rachel's wanting tips here because Rachel is a prolific traveller to tennis tournaments so maybe we need tips from you Rachel but David what's your answer to this?

23:40The United Cup Is it because I talk about the hotel breakfast in Perth so much? I mean and specifically Perth I hadn't thought of that but now that you'd mention it yes let's add that to the list I've never been to Perth I'd like to go you always seem really happy there when you go but I also, I mean look it's a little too long a trip for me to do that away from the family I'd like to go if my family could come and that sort of thing but also I love the concept of the event I think it's great that there is that event and I'm looking forward to watching it again this year it's selfishly it's also run by a great friend of mine in Stephen Farrow who I worked with for years at Queen's and I love watching him being a tournament director I just love the love that he has for his event and the pride he has in it and I want to see him doing his stuff in another event up close over there it's just like the perfect kind of setting for him that he he kind of came up with the idea of that thing in the first place.

25:02I mean, I know there's loads of people who've come up with the idea of a United Cup, maybe, but he got it off the ground. And I'd love to go and sort of, I'd love it to really grow and get good crowds. Remind me, Catherine, what are the crowds like, you know, typically there in Perth? Decent, decent. It really feels sort of a bummer. You're really sort of remarking on the crowds being bad. But look, some sessions are better than others and it does depend on who's playing. Like two years ago, Australia were in Perth and those sessions were sold out and it was absolutely rocking. China gets good crowds.

25:45I don't think they're in Perth this time either. but basically good I would say and it is one of those where Perth is a sufficiently kind of small city that it feels like the biggest thing that's happening when it is happening which is a cool thing. A whole answer David about how much you'd like to go to Perth without mentioning quokkas. I mean they'd be terrified of me wouldn't they if I turned up. I'd love to see you crouch down low enough to get a quokka selfie. I know, I'd ruin it for everybody else. Yeah, you'd need to oil your knees to get back up. I was going to say, you got quite a lot of scratches and stuff doing that, didn't you?

26:32Oh, I was scrabbling around in the earth. We only ever see the Instabush. Inside a bush. yeah but as hannah is pointing out here in the chat you do share a disposition with quokkas a shared sunny spirit maybe i'll just go there and people can have their photo taken with me i'm not gonna have to scrabble under the undergrowth in order to get that that does happen at tennis tournaments um lovely answer matt what's yours just gonna say while i was preparing the quiz I did I did have a question which was who did Catherine declare took the best ever quokka selfie I was I was listening back through some through some old shows and it's kind of surprised that you declared so confidently this was the best one ever but you did have you did have full reasoning for it is it Karen Hashanow no it was Elena Rabatkinner oh yeah it is fantastic yeah yeah which I had forgotten about but it was nice to be reminded of that yeah do you remember how many photos we got of Catherine McWalkers until a good one came out it was a fun day thanks Matt thanks for throwing me a bone um what's your i've got a i got i i got a quokka magnet on my fridge i bought my niece a quokka bedtime book i went all in on quokkas no regrets i had a similar answer in that i was also thinking about sort of extending the Australia trip.

28:30Brisbane, for me, was my answer. I think a real sweet spot is one-week events. I think a real sweet spot is men and women together, and there are not that many of those anymore. And Brisbane really ticks all the boxes. And as much as I love the United Cup, and I share everything you've just said, and yes, I would like to go to that event as well, nothing pleases me more than the first draw of the new season you know the fresh pdf we get the draw you want to go to the brisbane i do that's what i want the first draw of the season i love it it just it just makes me feel warm inside and um yeah i think that'd be a fun trip to do like to extend the australian swing and go to brisbane one year i i would i would love to do that and they always get great fields as well.

29:23I know the United Cup obviously get a lot of the top players now, but I feel like Brisbane's always strong.

29:32You just talked about a PDF in the same way you talked about Lorenzo Mazzetti's tunic.

29:40Your face when you said the word, the first PDF. I'm easily pleased, apparently.

29:54what's my answer to this there's quite a lot I always say Charleston because I really would like to go to Charleston but unfortunately a caveat to that is I don't really want to do the extraneous trips to America at the moment but I would like to go to Charleston there's quite a lot that I've sort of been to once and would like to go back to Eastbourne really love Eastbourne it's like a village fate but with top level tennis like it's so relaxed and accessible and stress free and just there's almost always good weather which like reliable good weather in the UK is pretty rare yeah Eastbourne's great I'd love to go back there yeah sorry it's not really answering the question Rachel but no but I but I was thinking about it similarly in that like part of the reason I wanted to go to like Brisbane is like it's very practical like it just extends that trip like there's a lot of there's a lot of places I'd like to go to but they are not that easy if you also want to go to the slams like Eastbourne like it's the week before Wimbledon you've kind of got to be at Wimbledon like you've got to be at the Wimbledon draw for example um Rome like I'd love to go to rome but then like you're going to rome are you then coming back before paris are you extending that like just just sort of practically i know that's a very get the violins out rome now lasts about three weeks matt you could go for the beginning of rome i suppose have a holiday in between that and the french open three days uncork yeah yeah i mean non-stop the other event i would love to experience is um tennis at the olympics i mean the olympics generally okay that's my answer you know I think I would potentially get a bit of FOMA about the other Olympic events going on like I enjoy watching the Olympics with you know iPlayer and being able to or it's not on iPlayer anymore is it Discovery Plus or whatever being able to dart between streams I find very helpful you know like the tennis is great but it's not always like the main event at the Olympics but I would love to feel the vibes I watched the Alcaraz Djokovic gold medal match on my iPad whilst commentating on Simone Biles in the gymnastics and that felt very Olympic.

32:20I was just imagining you two sitting next to one another at the Olympic tennis with about six devices on your laps between you with different sports. I think I could do that. Yeah. Staying at Pam's. I'm going to put my iPad and phone. Call it a plan. Next question comes from Etienne himself. Great question incoming, folks. Etienne asks, in 2026, Alcaraz, Sinna and Sviyontek are all one major away from completing the career Grand Slam. Sabalenka is two majors away. And I'm including her here as well, given her amazing consistency at majors and that she made three out of four major finals this year.

33:04Out of these four players, will all, some or none of them, complete the career Grand Slam in 2026? And why, David? I have three of the four completing. So all but Sabalenka? Yes. I believe that Al Kraz and Svantec will complete at the Australian Open. I believe that Yannick Sinner will complete at Roland Garros and Irina Sabalenka might add to her collection but she won't complete this year. And why? I'd say the boldest prediction there is confidently predicting Shontek to win Australia. Yeah, I understand. I mean, listen, there isn't evidence so far. She hasn't won it before. And she did come close in 25.

34:07I mean, let's remember how close she came against Keys and then who knows against Sabalenka in the final. But there's absolutely no reason why her game shouldn't work there, in my view. And I think that she's going to be coming off quite a... it feels like a longer off season in a way it feels like she's had enough time and I think she's going to come out firing and and I think that the Wimbledon win is going to have done her a lot of good in terms of breaking new ground um and and I see I see her getting the job done interesting I certainly could see her getting the job done in Australia it wouldn't surprise me but I don't think I would predict it she's not my favorite for the Australian Open at this stage I think I probably would just about edge Alcaraz to do it I think the one I feel most confident about is Sinner at the French and I agree with you David I could see Sabalenka getting a step closer and doing one of Wimbledon and the French and then mopping up the remaining one for the career slam at a later date but you know doing Wimbledon and the French is just a crazy achievement that it's kind of wild to predict anybody doing that obviously it can be done but to actually predict that it will happen would be madness I think so I think if I had to put money in places now I'd say two of the four and that would be Alcaraz and Sinner and if I had to place all my money on one it would be Sinner Matt Can I just give you a little potted history of the career slam being completed because I was very intrigued by this like has there ever been a year where more than one player has completed the career slam and the answer is no that's never happened so like we could well be on for a very very historic year next year because I imagine nobody's ever been this close multiple players it's interesting very often you do get groups of players who complete it around the same sort of time like 1930s you had fred perry and don budge who did it both like within a few years of each other 1950s you had maureen connolly doris hart shirley fry all do it 1953 1954 1957 in the 80s you had everton martina do it in back-to-back years and then you had stephie graf do it a few years later and then obviously like we had fedor nadal and djokovic all do it within i think it was seven years of each other so like it's not outlandish that we've got a group of players right now who are all very close to completing it in fact it's very much in line with what tends to happen throughout tennis history someone like agassi is actually more of an outlier you know he did it in the 90s no one on the men's side did it in the 70s the 80s you know like he was he was the the one in between Emerson and Federer, you know?

37:38So like it's quite standard, I suppose, that we've got these many players all close to completing it. But if they were all to do it in the same year or even several of them to do it in the same year, that would be a one-off. So that's pretty exciting, I think, that we're going into 2026 with that kind of history on the line. and it's so interesting isn't it because it's such a different task I think for Alcraz and Sinha than it is for Svantec in a way like for Alcraz and Sinha the task really is beating the other one like I know they've got to get to the final but they're I feel so confident sitting here in December 2025 that they will reach those finals that they need to reach but for Svantec I'm not sure she's got as single tough opponent as that but the draw generally is is tougher you know there's there's more threats along the way i think there's more people that could beat shion take out the australian open than there are people who could beat alcaraz for example um but i i think i'm going to lean two of them and I think it probably is Alcaraz and Sinner as well I would love two to do it at the same slam like if Alcaraz and Svante doing it imagine that weekend that would just be absolutely wild.

39:11That would be like the Barty plus Miracle in Melbourne weekend wouldn't it the sort of twin I suppose the French Open final weekend this year was was pretty great in terms of twin flame stories. But yeah, that would be good. And then I love the idea of Alcaraz doing it in Australia and then Sinner trying to... Yeah, respond. Match him and respond. And they responded to each other so well this year, right? Over the summer, that was the theme of it, really. So they've kind of already shown that they can do that. Oh, it's got me really hyped. for 2026. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Etienne, for getting us so hyped for 2026.

40:00Next question comes from James G via the barge. James G asks, Catherine, Matt and David are in charge of an end of season exhibition tournament despite protests for four WTA and four ATP players. Unfortunately, none of the top 30 players are interested so are having to look further down the ranking list for an exciting lineup who would the team pick as their four atp and four wta players that offer a nice balance of a high quality tennis b entertainment and showmanship and c aggro now i think we should all agree on this we should debate and agree on this amongst ourselves rather than each submitting our answers.

40:46Yeah, we need to come to a consensus, I think. Yeah, I think so. Now, what I would say, and David, I think you'll back me here, on the basis of our extensive Champions Tour experience, aggro in an exhibition scenario can be created by anyone out of nowhere. Yeah. That's the beauty of an exhibition. Stefan Edberg was on the end of it. Right. Exactly. OK. Would we like to submit? I would like to submit a name to start with that I think we will all agree on instantly. I give you Corentin Moutet. Of course. Yeah. I think ticks all the boxes. And like could also bring genuine aggro. Yeah. next submission Kasikina was on my long list she's top 30 no she's not is she outside the top 30 yeah oof she can do tweeners yes good too yeah Mahatch obviously on my list I think Mahatch actually might live perfect for this he might be the rare example of a player that I'd rather watch in an exhibition what was it Jack Draper said about mid-season UTS he plays all of them the air machete is that his name yeah

42:34David Artifice is ranked outside the world's top 30 he's on my list ok Okay.

42:44Lorenzo Sonigo? Wow, I'm surprised that from you. You're not a Sonigo person. Well, no, I'm trying to be inclusive. You two might want Sonigo, and we're trying to be collaborative. I don't want Sonigo. I've got one for you that I'm unsure about, because I've listed five women, so I've got nine players, right? So one's got to go, even if we had all of mine. Okay. and the one that's the outlier is Sigmund and I don't know how you feel about that no I'm not I thought you might not I forget everything I said about being collaborative that's not even a discussion no you could get to know her everybody would be so bored like exhibition matches are for the people in the stadium right like it's not about the television television experience generally speaking okay labour cup's a bit of an exception but like so when you're watching her live and you haven't got a director trying to spice things up for you and hold your attention by cutting to other shots and you're just watching her hold her service position on the baseline for an eternity every Every single time.