BONUS - Our first Q&A show of 2026!

0:10Hello friends and welcome to the tennis podcast and our first live Q &A show of 2026. These are my favourite tennis podcast shows that we do. So I'm very excited to be returning with our first of the year. Matt has had a haircut in honour of the first Q &A show of the year. Hello, Matt. Hello. I have, yes, by a man named Casper, who I think I'm going to go back to. He was very nice and did a decent job, I think. He did. I mean, I don't know what you asked for, but it looks good, Matt. Well done, Casper. Was he well-mannered or was he rude? too good David too good that was awful David how can we mute David I'm back folks it's so good to be back I've so missed the Q &A shows I've so missed all this liveness and I'm going to come with all my dad jokes and be as cringe as possible well you've succeeded so far David we're all thrilled to be your outlet, they've got to go somewhere haven't they?

1:29Well I say that to my kids as well in the car just now on the way back from tennis and they didn't seem very happy with them so I thought I'd give you the rest So you're recycling the jokes that have already failed on your kids Are they getting a bit old for your dad jokes now David? No I mean some of them they don't understand and then the rest they think are rubbish so I'm trying to find that sweet spot and I've yet to find it. Okay, we'll let you know if you find it here. I'm having a whiskey, a very watered down whiskey from the whiskey that David got me for my birthday a couple of weeks ago.

2:07And that is a glass for anybody that can't see with a little sausage dog in the bottom. So lots of Catherine Whitaker coded things happening over here. And we've had some really excellent questions in on the barge which has been rocking recently uh the chat is rocking hannah's in the chat sophie smith loved your casparoo joke david thanks sophie i found my audience brilliant uh yeah we have some um we have some great questions we have a little winter olympics themed section which i am so thrilled and excited about um and uh yet to To people asking about the glass, there's lots of people in the chat asking about the...

2:55OK, there's one person in the chat asking about these glasses. They're an Icelandic brand, I think, and they have all sorts of fun glass animals in the bottom. I've got another one with a fun pink sheep in it. That is epic. I'll remember the name and I'll pop it in the chat for anybody. For anybody that's come here tonight for glassware recommendations, I know that's what everybody wants. Should we talk about tennis? Should we try not to be distracted by credible Arta Rinderkinesh, who's a breakup on Jack Draper in the third set in Dubai? Let's answer some questions, shall we? Starting with a question here, question number one from Chris Chu.

3:42Chris asks, with the renewed chatter about women playing five sets, How do you think that would hypothetically change the pool of Grand Slam winners among the current era, if at all? Which athletes could benefit from an even more rigorous stamina contest? It's a great question, Chris. And I think it's probably a two-step answer. I always think with the question of women playing best of five, I think there would be an initial period of tremendous turbulence if the change were made. And then things would just revert to a new normal. Women would start training differently. I think the gap between the very, very top and the rest would widen, as has generally been the case at the slams in men's tennis.

4:44But I guess if the question is kind of looking at the current crop of players and the sort of period of immediate turbulence, which I think would last for a few years. I mean, obviously it would taper, but it would be at its most extreme sort of in its initial impact. I think probably the player that springs most to my mind that would benefit is Coco Goff. I don't know where your minds went when you read this question. Matt, how about you? Yes, I had Coco Goff at the top of my list as well. Someone who combines great stamina and physical prowess on court with, I think, great mental strength as well.

5:29qualities that we talk about a lot in terms of best of five sets and and needing to manage that but also someone who has holes in her game and therefore would have more more time I suppose to sort of get matches back on track if if things went against her in a match potentially um I think my big my big picture answer is is kind of what you're saying there I actually not sure a huge amount would change long term i do think the best players tend to win over the longer formats and i also think best of three is a long enough format that you've figured out who the best players are over that format and i don't think there's a huge amount of difference you know if you look at the men's game in terms of who wins on on tour versus who wins at the slams there are certain players who who do a bit better at the slams or a bit worse but generally i don't feel like the best of five makes an enormous difference to the tour.

6:28I just generally think it would suit the best players, you know, like it would be harder to beat them. I do think there is a sort of category of WTA player that maybe exists a bit more in the WTA than the ATP, which is kind of like streaky, big hitters. I think it might not favour them quite so much would be my sense, you know, like I'm going to say it. Amanda Nissamova, I think, wouldn't benefit from best of five. I think maybe like a Alexandreva or a Taos, these sorts of players who are all about taking the racket out of your hand, hitting big, hitting flat. I think players with more time and probably with better movement and fitness could sort of maybe nullify some of those threats over best of five would be my overall take, I think.

7:18I suppose there could be an anomalous Rorinka type player that might emerge that we don't currently know about at the moment that would be this WTA diesel that is currently being constrained in ways they and we don't even realise by the format. but we don't know who that is and they don't know who that is right so but I think there is potential for that to be the case for somebody just to emerge that like wow uh but it's it's it's very difficult to predict who that might be and I think also that just to say that the fact that at the moment the chatter is only about bringing it in okay at one slam but certainly in the latter stages.

8:03So actually, I'm not sure there necessarily would be as much turbulence straight away because I think the fact that it would be best of three for the first four rounds or so, I think you would then end up probably still with the players you would normally end up with at the end of a slam, and those would be the top players. Do you know what I mean? I think if you put best of five in from the start straight away at the slams, that could cause a bit of chaos, a bit of disruption but i don't know i think the way they're talking about it i could see it sort of being eased in in in that sense i suppose david your thoughts uh well one of me that speaks to mine is that you say they're only talking about it for one tournament well you can make that two now can't you because the one who was suggesting it is running the other tournament now um in craig tiley uh there's one for for monday's show uh when we discuss the news But look, my feelings are very similar to yours.

9:02It will reduce the pool of players, I think, actually, who end up winning Grand Slams a little bit because I think the top players will become even more dominant. And actually, if we want specifics, I am not convinced that Madison Keys would win that Australian Open if those latter stages were best of five sets because I think eventually Iga Svantec and Irina Sabalenka would have got to her. I don't think Jelena Rostopenko would have won her French Open in the end. I think that Simona Halep would have probably found a way into that match and ended up winning it. I mean, obviously, I can't be sure of that, and people may say, don't agree.

9:44That's what comes to my mind. Yeah, I thought about Sabalenka as well, and I feel like it's, you know, there's that stat, isn't there, about how she hasn't lost in straight sets of a slam since the 2020 US Open. like she always gets into a match and I feel like it it's kind of taken like a kind of peaking Madison Keys for example or peaking Elena Rabatkin to just rip it from her at the Australian Open in the last couple of years I think that would be that'd be harder to do I think over over five sets

10:19yeah I mean I if it comes in just in the last three rounds of one slam I know I know you've got to start somewhere and I'm not suggesting suddenly bring it in across the board at all slams wouldn't be turbulent either but I just it would be so sort of incremental a change that I don't think I don't think players would specifically start training for it and you could end up with some I don't know I could just foresee it being quite a rough a rough transition which would lead to, well, we all know what it would lead to in terms of discourse. And I just feel like I would, you know, I would celebrate the change in one way, but I would also put my helmet on, you know, in anticipation of it sort of weaponising the worst of the sports commentators, I suppose.

11:20Yeah. I mean, I think I said that at the time, like I applaud the idea and the innovation. But I kind of always want the change to be happening on a sport wide level rather than, you know, rather than individuals, I suppose. Great question, though. Next question. Claire Evans asks, asks, we seem to be in a new era where tennis players are increasingly wanting to take control of their content, such as via podcasts or YouTube channels. I've seen Shelton, Diminor. Diminor's a TikToker now. Has everyone seen that? Yeah, he went a bit mad. He did lose his tiny mind a little bit and then lose to Patrick Kipson.

12:09Welfare check on Alex Diminor or someone. um he did a sort of q a but rather than just answering like a load of questions within one video he did about 10 10 different videos in in five minutes which is you know i don't think what the algorithm wants it was chaotic yeah that's a bit like what i'd do yeah it was giving like you know boomer dad takes over a tiktok account for the for the evening it was very funny Claire asks who would you like to see start a channel or what content would you enjoy I have to say I find most of them extremely dull and I think player controlled content like it's not you know it's extremely generally speaking it's extremely glossed isn't it they don't want you to see the real stuff and the hard stuff they want to give you just enough so you feel like you're seeing the real stuff and the hard stuff but it's basically just PR.

13:16And there's a market for that. Good luck to them. I don't have a problem with them doing it. It's just I don't feel like it's really for me. You know, Ben Shelton's YouTube channel, it's incredibly well produced and it's glossy and it looks great. I haven't, like, it bores me to tears. Like I haven't learned anything about him from it or about tennis or like it's just not it's not for me. I do like what the vlog. I like Dario Kazakina's what the vlog a lot because it's funny and irreverent. And you do genuinely get a bit of access that that you don't get elsewhere. And I would be up for more of that.

14:04But there aren't that many Dario Kazakina's. on tour. So yeah, like good luck to them. I totally understand why they want to do it. I don't feel like I'm the target market for a lot of this content, but good luck to them. But, you know, I would be up for more What The Vlogs, but I'm not sure how many candidates for making what the vlogs there are out there. David, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of players just aren't prepared to risk anything with their, I don't know whether it's privacy or whether it's just brand, you know. They've all got a lot, especially the top players, they've all got lots of sponsors and they've got a lot at stake and they've often got people in their ears saying, oh, you don't want to say that, you know.

15:02and I mean I think that's why you end up with what you do end up with most of the time in Shelton's I've only seen one of his I did find it I didn't know he was into old cars and stuff like that I mean I think my interest lasted about 15 seconds in that but I at least was curious to I'm good for him I didn't know he was into them so now I do know that's good now I don't really want to hear too much more about it you didn't see a slightly problematic post a while back about the wage inflation of mechanics then no I didn't see that he was complaining about the wage inflation of mechanics he was complaining about the cost of mechanic labour yeah a little while ago crikey yeah when tennis players talk about how much stuff costs I really do.

16:00I do wish they would shut up at that point, to be honest. But I thought one in the video sphere and one in the podcasting sphere, actually, of things that I would be interested in. And I would love if somebody could do a good job of, in a non-creepy way, following Alexandra Ayala around to just kind of get an insight into what her life is like. I would be very interested to see it because I just find the interest level she creates absolutely fascinating. you know and and i sort of i want to i kind of want to know what it's like to be her really you know in in those situations i have no idea how you document that um maybe you just give her a camera and just say off you go just just film stuff film out your window like like they do in the in the one direction video i once saw when it was absolute mayhem um and uh on a what i enjoyed the One Direction documentary what can I say and then and I saw a take that one recently as well that was quite good and that was quite similar anyway and then there's on a podcast angle I'd quite like to listen to a podcast with Miran Draver and Conchita Martinez just having a conversation because I think I could listen to them all the time really they're just so much fun to listen to they're slightly sarcastic and affectionate digs at one another I'd also like to know what Martinez has been saying to Andreva over the last year after some of these absolute heartbreakers because they're not only upsetting as in I've lost a tennis match but they've really been quite upsetting to watch for her, I've worried for Andreva and I'm curious how Martinez manages that I am too, I feel like that's a one off interview rather than a weekly appointment to spend an hour in both of their companies I have to come to Martinez at the outset of their relationship and I was already getting some fantastic eye rolls from her so maybe maybe need to revisit that yeah maybe Matt yeah I must say can you take us down as weird and wonderful on as weird and wonderful a journey as David just did with his answer can I mention One Direction

18:52I feel so many to you Catherine I think what the vlog I like because it's sort of so authentic it's felt like it's come from Kasachina herself whereas it feels to me like someone has told Ben Shelton and Alex Diminor and Art of Feast and Kasper Rood it'd be a good idea to to do some vlogging and set up a YouTube channel and be really great for your sponsors and you know and your brand has gone around definitely been mentioned and as soon as as soon as it feels like that I'm far less interested did um the guy who jumps out to me on the men's side because i first i think he's the first tennis player i learned about via social media is actually zizu bergs he used to always be making tiktok videos i knew i knew him from tiktok before i knew him from the tour and i think therefore it's sort of i think he has a genuine desire to sort of do it and he can be quite funny and i sort of i think azizu berg's what the vlog style thing would be quite would be quite amusing i think i think he's i think he's quite funny and he's quite smart um and i think i would like that insight to the atp tour that casacchina gives us into the into the wta tour side note by the way casacchina's ranking is 58 now i i noticed earlier when i was looking her up in in sort of prep for this um but actually i think my i think my biggest take on this is that like when i think of other sports Like I know that like Bryson DeChambeau's got that one, hasn't he?

20:26That very successful YouTube content he does. And Carlos Alcraz was on it very recently when he tries to break 50 and he gets a celebrity or a fellow sports person on. And that's sort of been a really big breakthrough content for him. But I think other sports, I always say this, I think that sort of other content that players produce is more beneficial because the best insight into a tennis player and their personality and what they're like is a tennis match. Like, I feel like we're so privileged as watchers of the sport that we do know our players because of the sport that they play. We spend three or four hours watching them and we see their facial expressions and we hear conversations they have with coaches and umpires and we get close-up replays and they don't have a helmet on or that you know nothing like that and i feel like a tennis match is the best way of showing off what a tennis player who they are and what they're good at and i i feel like it takes a very would take it it's not for everyone to be able to then produce like extra content that is genuinely interesting it's just not gonna be the case that all tennis players can can do that and they don't need to do that I don't think is it because we already know so much about them obviously extra stuff is great and I do applaud the general you know the sort of general drive there but there's not going to be many for me that can really make it make it brilliant and Casacchino is definitely one of them um but yeah like I feel like we know our tennis players pretty well in a way that we maybe don't know some other sports people all that well.

22:16That's such a good point. The way tennis reveals character like almost no other sport, I would say. Great question. These are all great questions. We are edging closer to the Winter Olympics section. I'm very excited. But first, we have a question from Michelle B. Michelle asks, After watching Victorian Bokobin today, I'm thinking again about the exciting teen players of the WTA. It wasn't long ago that Mira Andreeva was the only teen in the top 100. And now we have Mira, Vicky and Ivi Jovic in the top 20. Which of these players do you think has the highest short term and long term ceiling? What are the key improvements they each need to make to maximise their specific potential?

23:06should we go should we go player by player here or should I how do we want to do this you're in charge you can do it as you like David you show your hand first show us your workings we've been asked the question which of them and my my answer was very quick and emphatic that the one with the highest ceilings short term and long term is Victoria Romboko I just feel like she has an athleticism a wingspan, weapons that the other two don't and are not going to get I think that they've got things of their own but I think at this stage I don't see I've yet to come across real weaknesses is an Mboko's game and I'm sure they're coming you know I'm sure at some point when she because I mean she hasn't even done really a year of being on the tour where players and coaches are picking on your on your game and trying to figure out where the weak spots are and I feel like people have got to Andreva a little bit over the last year part of it is the forehand I didn't know in the first year of watching Andreeva that she had a forehand that needed work or needed sometimes to be covered up the way it does.

24:36Jovic, I don't see weaknesses either, but I also don't see the level of upside. I think she's going to be incredibly strong mentally and she's always going to be there. But I think looking at Mboko, she's just got it all. I know that there's a question mark over her forehand. I think that you've heard, Matt in the past um I'm not saying she she's perfect and she's not certainly not the finished article I think she's going to get better but I'm also interested to see what happens when she hits a rough spot you know we haven't really aside from injury maybe that's her maybe that's her weak area is just can she keep fit but to me she is she's just there already I mean it literally is taking Sabalenka for instance to to stop her um and I don't think I don't think I'd be expecting that necessarily from and we've we've seen Andreeva run into several different types of opponent the last year and also have incredible runs of success and being being a champion but yeah and Boko to me

25:47Matt yeah it's hard isn't it because although they are similar ages and drave has been around for longer and has been in our consciousness for longer and i think potentially has already been through or is currently experiencing that phase that david's talking about where people start to figure you out a bit and your weaknesses start to be shown so i feel like with andreva we've sort of got we've seen more success but we've also seen more of the vulnerabilities. So we've got a fuller picture for Andreva. And I think at the moment, we're seeing more of the vulnerabilities. I think that's maybe clouding my judgment a little bit.

26:29I would probably still go long-term Andreva. I agree with David in terms of like the weapons that Mboko has. And we are in an era of weapons winning the biggest tournaments, you know, Sabalenka, Rabakina, Keys, Sviontek. you know these recent winners of slams have got incredible weapons um and maybe that is slightly missing from andreva's game uh but i do think i do think some of the stuff we've seen her produce has made me think she's a slam winner in in the future you know her run in indian wells and dubai last year i think that was to me that was a higher level than what we've seen from mboko so far and I just think her her tactical nous is is extremely high and Drava but she needs to overcome this this issue she's got at the moment of composure and losing it in in big moments and I do tend to agree with David again that she needs one win like that you know and that and that could really unlock something and help her but it needs to come soon I think you don't you don't want to build up sort of too much baggage in that sense but I suppose at the moment I would still say sort of Andreva long term but short term the answer to me might be Mboko like if someone is gonna sort of explode and do something this year perhaps it could be an Mboko and sort of riding the wave that maybe andreva was on a year or 18 months ago uh jovic i just don't feel like i've seen enough of yet personally uh i think again i would have the question marks does she have the weapons but also not many weaknesses i just i haven't watched her as much as i've watched mboko and andreva and i'm not i'm not sure really what her upper upper potential is right now um But yes, it's a great point that Andreeva for so long was the only teen and she was so far ahead.

28:44She was the only teen in the top 100 and she was in the top 10. And now suddenly she's been caught up a little bit by Jovic and Mboko. And it's a really fun picture at the moment with those three.

28:57Yeah, I mean, I share pretty much all of your views. I mean, obviously right now the knee-jerk kind of recency bias thing to feel is Mboko, right? Like we've got so much recent evidence of Mboko knocking our socks off and showing maturity well beyond her years. But I'm still a really big believer in Andreeva. you know she does have this problem at the moment that she does need to sort out and I agree with you Matt I think the clock's ticking on sort of sorting it out because the longer you're not sorting it out the more scar tissue you're accumulating and that's that's quite significant but I do think she's got the right people around her to do the sorting out I do think she will she She is still so incredibly young and I really believe in that game.

29:56I think it's so versatile and she's got so many ways to win tennis matches and she has weaponry. Like her serve is incredibly good.

30:11So I'm tempted to go for Andreva long term as well, much as I'm a massive Mboko believer. but I think it's going to be close between those two and I think that's really, really exciting and Jovic, I just haven't seen enough to know what the ceiling is I think everything looks very compact and reliable and I think she's going to be there I don't think it'll be that long before we start seeing her in Grand Slam quarter-finals but what the peaks might be I don't feel qualified to say that yet but we'll keep an eye out Michelle I'm going to end up underestimating her I've got this feeling she's going to be my next power I think I might already be David but here we are she has already reached the Grand Slam quarterfinal right

31:12was it fourth round was it quarterfinal I think that was the quarterfinal I think Mboko was the fourth round, right? And then Jovic in the quarters. As I said, Matt, I think she's going to be reaching round-slam quarter finals. Yes, you were right. Catherine nails it. OK, we've arrived at the Winter Olympics section of today's pod. I'm not over it, folks. I really, really miss it. I've had such a... I've had post-Winter Olympics blues. it's been a tough week for me I had a wisdom tooth taken out the Winter Olympics ended yeah all the first world problems Connie asks for Catherine thank you Connie you've made my day as both a tennis fan and a figure skating fan I love when we get an odd figure skating reference from Catherine you're welcome a question to take crossover content to a new level in honour of the Winter Olympics which tennis players would make the best figure skaters?

32:16Pick a man and a woman for single skating and a doubles slash mixed doubles team for pairs and ice dance each. Please explain your reasoning, taking into account both technical and artistic elements of the sport. It's like an exam question. So curious to hear your thoughts. I know, but she's been so specific and I'm worried, rereading that, that I actually haven't followed Connie's guidelines nearly closely enough, but I have given this a lot of very pleasurable thought, Connie.

32:53I know you've urged me to go in a sort of technical and artistic direction, but I just, I was drilling down into that and I just found it quite, I found it quite boring because basically the answer is you need to be, you need to be tiny, right? To be a figure skater, not a dancer, to be able to do the jumps. There are no skaters. There's one female skater that's 5 '7", and it is remarked upon all the time how tall she is. Basically, 5 '2 is big for a figure skater. So I could just list all the small tennis players, but I don't think that's a particularly interesting answer to this question. So I've actually approached it from a not quite a mental point of view, but I was talking a lot throughout the Winter Olympics with your friend of mine, American Andrew, who got very into the Olympic figure skating.

33:59and I was trying to explain exactly how wild figure skating is from a sort of high wire act standpoint like every figure skating program at the Olympics particularly the free but you do a short program and a free program is like a one-point slam. It's like a one-point slam where you have to serve and you have to go for your shots. You can't play it safe and hope the other person missed. You have to go for a full-blooded Carlos Alcaraz rocket launcher forehand on every single shot and hope that it lands. You can't be Rafael Nadal hitting it harder in practice than you do on the match court you're going absolute full pelt the the max of what a human being can do technically on a pair of skates and you've got one chance you've got one fall one mistake and you are simply not making the podium like that's it you miss one forehand and it's done like it's an absolutely ridiculous sport yeah it is it is ridiculous you know amber glenn in the in the women's she doubled the jump in the short program rather than doing a triple didn't fall didn't like to to the to the eye it looked like perfection she nailed every single element in her free program and she she didn't get a medal because of that one that one error in the short program it is the demands of the sport are absolutely ludicrous like I couldn't handle it I mean you know I wasn't doing it at their level but um I loved figure skating possibly more than I've ever loved anything but I hated competing because it's just brutal just absolutely brutal so I've tried to think of players that I would back in that sort of one point slam scenario players that you can just say go out there pull the trigger on everything and let's hope it lands is your answer Joanna Garland my answer might be Joanna Garland but I It was going to be Joanna Garland, but is that silly?

36:36I don't know. Can it be Joanna Garland? It was either going to be Joanna Garland or my other submissions are Madison Keys, because I think that's the way she won the Australian Open last year. And my other submission is Amanda Enesimova, because she plays that kind of a way. But also there was a lot about Alyssa Liu's story at the Winter Olympics that reminded me of Amanda Inesimova. There's a lot of differences in it as well. But she was, Alyssa Liu was a teen, teen phenom that retired from the sport as a teenager. Nobody really thought she was coming back and she ended up missing it and coming back.

37:20but coming back entirely on her own terms as a grown-up and with a completely different attitude to the sport. And I'm not sure I've ever seen anything more joyful than her winning gold last week. And obviously the reasons for Amanda Renesimo overstepping away from the sport were incredibly tragic, but I do think there are similarities there in sort of reinventing herself as an adult in the room versus the teen phenom that she originally emerged as. So those are my three answers on the women's side. I think on the men's side, I have to go for Carlos Alcaraz because if you want someone performing a high-wire act that's prepared to go for everything and you back them to make it, I think you have to go Carlos Alcaraz, right?

38:22That's who I've got. And in the pairs and the dance, so the pairs is my least favourite format of the sport because basically the key to it is it's all about the lifts, right? You just have to have one really big man. The man needs to be big and strong and the woman needs to be small enough that he can lift her and fling her around. So I went through the US Open mixed doubles draw and I tried to choose the pair with the biggest sort of size differential. It's Arani, isn't it? It's Arani and Bavisori, isn't it? It's Arani and Bavisori, yeah.

39:03But then I've got Sarani for two of my answers because I think my ice dance answer. Now, ice dance is basically a different sport to the other three disciplines. It's ballroom dancing on ice. And I wanted to pick a same gender team rather than a mixed gender team, because I think there should be same gender teams allowed in ice dancing. That's something that Gabriella Papadakis is campaigning for. And she's amazing. We should all be listening to her. and so I and I think Ice Dance for me what I enjoy about Ice Dance is chemistry like yeah that's what I most look for in a partnership so chemistry good footwork I've gone for Sarah Rani and Jasmine Paolini for the vibes so there you go any notes on my answers?

40:03No wonderful very well reasoned I'm a bit anxious that I've completely Connie's been so specific with her guidelines for my answer and I've largely ignored them but I hope that Connie would agree that me just listing short tennis players wouldn't be fun or edifying for anybody involved so there you go the next question is Winter Olympics themed but we're going to make this a team effort folks, it's from Richard Brown Richard says, piggybacking a bit on Connie's question on figure skating which tennis players would you nominate for a four person curling rink which is the curling team as a reference point I asked chat GPT for the traits expected in an Olympic level curler which were technical intelligence and adaptability shot precision and consistency physical conditioning mastery of changeable ice ice conditions and mental resilience now I've watched a lot of curling over the last couple of weeks I shed a wee tear when when the Scottish lads didn't win gold on Saturday, watching at the pub.

41:23So I'm going to give you two some parameters and you're going to come up with the names. Is that OK? Sure. OK. I was using Richard's parameters. Well, no, but I've drilled down further within that. OK. Brilliant. Well, a curling team, they have to all be from the same nation. Oh. Well, hang on. That's tough. Well, they do. They do. So we're going Italy. We're going for a men's curling team from Italy. Can we get on board with this? Your faces are saying no. Guys, we're live. Yeah, but you've... I've put a lot of thought into my names. and now they're useless. Yeah, none of mine are Italian. Okay, but go with me here.