Does Sinner’s injury open US Open door?

10 Aug 2026 · 1 h 26 min · 27 chapters

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In short

Injury-and-opportunity outlook for the US Open after Jannik Sinner withdraws from Cincinnati with a right knee issue; plus current WTA/WTA and ATP quarterfinal storylines in Toronto/Montreal.

Guests

The episode features multiple hosts (no guest names appear in the transcript). Speakers include David and Matt, plus Catherine and Carla in discussion.

Key claims

  • Sinner’s knee withdrawal makes the US Open “open,” especially because he’d been expected to use Cincinnati/Canada as hard-court preparation.
  • A cited stat: since 1990, no men’s US Open champion has won without playing Canada or Cincinnati beforehand (Sinner and Carlos Alcaraz are positioned as exceptions).
  • Ben Shelton, Alex de Minaur, and Frances Tiafoe (and younger players like Jakub Mensik, Rafael Hodea, and “Artifis”) are framed as prime “step-up” candidates.
  • On the women’s side, Aryna Sabalenka is in a slump: she’s lost multiple big matches and is struggling in deciding moments; Elena Alexandrova’s win is treated as a sign Sabalenka isn’t peaking.
  • Toronto quarterfinals set up: Alexandrova vs Svitolina; Schneider vs Swiatek; Bencic vs Gauff; Osaka vs Rybakina.

Notable examples

  • Sinner: withdrew from Cincinnati, saying his right knee “has been bothering me.”
  • Sabalenka vs Alexandrova: 7-6, 4-6, 6-4; Sabalenka saved two match points with aces.
  • Naomi Osaka’s form: no sets dropped in the tournament.
  • Iga Swiatek vs Marta Kostyuk: Swiatek won despite winning only one point on her own serve in the first set.

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Chapters

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Excitement for Upcoming Events

0:45 to 2:56

The hosts share their excitement about upcoming tennis events and personal plans.

“yeah we'll be going to Fulham Chelsea and then to New York the very next day yeah yeah that's uh yeah I went when I I thought there was an extra week.”

Injury Update: Yannick Sinner

2:56 to 8:10

Discussion on Yannick Sinner's knee injury and its implications for the US Open.

“given reassurances in our last show that yes, there were reports that Yannick Sinner's knee was giving him a bit of jip, but there were also later reports that it was fine and he would be traveling to Cincinnati.”

Opportunities for Other Players

8:10 to 12:10

Analyzing how Sinner's injury opens up opportunities for other players in the US Open.

“Sinner did what he did against Sorundolo at the French Open.”

Haircuts and Player Personalities

12:10 to 14:01

A light-hearted segment discussing player hairstyles and personality quirks.

“among the rest of the field and us getting to test and find out who can respond to that.”

Victor the Barber and Work-Life Balance

14:01 to 15:01

Discussing the fictional character Victor the barber and his work-life balance.

“Maybe he was just watching replays of Alcaraz with the buzz cut.”

Toronto Women's Quarterfinals Preview

15:09 to 15:38

Previewing the women's quarterfinal matchups in Toronto.

“And the women's quarterfinal lineup, which is set and is thus.”

Irina Sabalenka's Struggles

15:49 to 19:22

Analyzing Irina Sabalenka's recent performance and challenges on the court.

“And maybe not a shock result, maybe not one that we should overanalyse from a Sabalenka point of view, because she's had a lot of issues with Ekaterina Alexandrovna over the course of her career.”

The Shift in Sabalenka's Game

19:23 to 22:33

Exploring the shifts in Sabalenka's confidence and game strategy over recent matches.

“I think if you look at those matches, you can kind of divide them into two types of losses broadly.”

Alexandrova vs. Svitolina Preview

22:34 to 23:14

Previewing the upcoming quarterfinal match between Alexandrova and Svitolina.

“Maybe I'm placing too much weight there on the past and not reading into form enough.”

Amanda Anisimova's Challenges

23:24 to 25:34

Discussing Amanda Anisimova's performance and her struggles in recent matches.

“But overall, Matt, a tough scene for Amanda Onisimova.”
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Rabakina's Title Chances

25:35 to 28:00

Analyzing Elena Rabakina's performance and chances of winning the title in Toronto.

“She's talked about how maybe they need a little bit of time apart.”

Analyzing Rybakina's Current Form

28:00 to 29:40

A deep dive into Rybakina's performance and ranking dynamics amidst her struggles.

“But anyway, it is for it on the basis of what I saw in her match against Lidmila Samsonova last night.”

Osaka's Impressive Run and Potential Matchups

29:40 to 32:30

Discussion on Osaka's recent performances and potential challenges ahead.

“she could go to world number one in the next sort of month or so probably will because Sam Sabalenka defending the US Open title.”

Andreeva's Struggles Post-French Open

32:30 to 36:40

Examination of Andreeva's decline in form after her Grand Slam victory.

“They've never met before, interestingly.”

Shiontek's Turnaround and Match Insights

36:40 to 40:50

Details on Shiontek's match turnaround and impact on her confidence.

“And maybe there's also some fatigue from winning a Grand Sam title that's still there.”

Coco Gauff's Dominance in the Tournament

40:50 to 48:22

Evaluation of Gauff's strong performances and change in match dynamics.

“Goff, a very comfortable winner yesterday against Alina Korneva, who had beaten Nivy Jovic in straight sets in the previous round.”

Final Predictions for the Women's Draw

48:22 to 49:21

The hosts predict potential finalists and champion for the women's side of the tournament.

“You're going for a Gough-Osaka semi-final?”

Men's Quarterfinals Preview

49:24 to 56:00

Analysis of upcoming men's quarterfinal matches, including player performances and predictions.

“Welcome back to part three of today's tennis podcast.”

Analyzing Young Talent: Hodder and Fies

56:00 to 1:00:55

Discussion on the performance and potential of young players Hodder and Fies.

“And he's having his second win now because he's now playing the tennis he was in Madrid and Barcelona when he was destructive.”

Nakashima's Coaching Impact

1:00:55 to 1:06:01

Exploration of Nakashima's recent performances and the influence of coach Wayne Ferreira.

“I think Tiafoe played the best tennis of his career whilst Wayne Ferrer was his coach.”

Ben Shelton's Progress and Upcoming Matches

1:06:01 to 1:10:00

Examination of Ben Shelton's recent matches, performance improvements, and future challenges.

“like they're the they're the young guys who are exciting to me And like they're there in this draw and Fonseca was there in the previous round.”

Analyzing Recent Matches and Players

1:10:00 to 1:14:10

Discussion on recent matches, player performances, and coaching strategies.

“I think it's situations like at Werton and on a quick grass court at Wimbledon where he's not got the time.”

Upcoming Tournament Predictions

1:14:10 to 1:15:40

Predictions for the upcoming finals and insights on player matchups.

“And by the way, just one of the final little note before I hand over to Matt for his predictions.”

Tournament Structures and Scheduling

1:15:40 to 1:18:35

Discussion on the scheduling of upcoming tennis tournaments and stadium renovations.

“Do you have a favourite out of Montreal, Toronto, when you watch it, the look of it on the telly?”

Listener Interactions and Personal Stories

1:18:35 to 1:20:45

Hosts engage with listener messages and share personal anecdotes related to tennis.

“So Friday at 8pm is our next show, my dad's birthday.”

Community Connections at Wimbledon

1:24:03 to 1:25:15

Listeners will learn about memorable experiences from Wimbledon attendees.

“I just hang about in case people find me.”

Celebrating Rachel's Birthday

1:25:15 to 1:25:56

The segment highlights the joyful celebrations of Rachel Barge's birthday.

“I mean, she's birthdaying like Hilton John, Rachel.”
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Transcript

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0:10Well, hello and welcome to the Tennis Podcast. It is Monday the 10th of August. The US Open hardcourt swing is very much swinging. In two weeks time, David, I will be in New York City. Two weeks from now. That's exciting. yeah you two won't quite be yet Matt will be en route to Fulham for the first game of the season yes we are having to move our post Cincinnati live show to accommodate my Fulham plans more on that nearer the time but yeah we'll be going to Fulham Chelsea and then to New York the very next day yeah yeah that's uh yeah I went when I I thought there was an extra week. I don't know what happened, but when I realised that in two weeks' time, well, less than two weeks' time now I'm going to be in New York, well, I had a frisson of excitement, a little bit of panic, and a sort of where did that extra week go feeling.

1:13But yeah, just book tickets, Matt, to see a Bruce Brigstein tribute act on the beach in New Jersey on the night I land. Wow Wow, you can't spring that on me Wow, okay, that's a lot to process Matt's reorganising his trip immediately In fact, dare I say The US is number one Well, they claim I'm not sure what the metrics being used here are They're the US's number one Springsteen And E Street Band tribute act And they're playing on C Street Beach And I decided that was unmissable I will be there Yeah. If you were, that I'm putting you on the spot here, if you were naming a Springsteen tribute act, what would you call them?

2:03I don't know. What are they called? They're called Tramps Like Us. I wouldn't call it that. I think it's a rule that if you're a tribute act, you have to have a naff name. I think you've got to lean into the naff of it all, haven't you? yes because otherwise you're you're you're just nowhere near as good and and you're trying to be bruce springs in new jersey and it's all a bit sad great well pumped for that occasion i am pumped look it's a band on a beach i will be happy yeah good vibes yeah uh i yeah i thought I'd get some good vibes in early because we are starting the show today with what is now becoming a regular feature, injury and withdrawal corner.

2:55Because we had the news a few days ago, having given reassurances in our last show that yes, there were reports that Yannick Sinner's knee was giving him a bit of jip, but there were also later reports that it was fine and he would be traveling to Cincinnati. Well, we now have the most recent reports that Yannick Sinner has withdrawn from Cincinnati. The quote is, my right knee has been bothering me. And even though we have been working hard with my medical team, I have to accept that I'm not ready to compete yet. I'm now focusing on getting ready for the US Open. This is not good, David. No, it's not.

3:35It's not good for him. It's not good for the tournament. I mean, I have to say, I simultaneously then get excited about the alternative possibilities, but I don't want to not be able to see Yannick Sinner, and I feel bad for him. And this, to me, I don't know about you, but this has really come out of the blue to me because I didn't notice anything going on with him at Wimbledon at all. You know, that's the last time we saw him on a tennis court is rolling around with victory after winning his second Wimbledon in a row. I mean, only that fall. There was the really dramatic fall. round in the first round with the bloody with the bloody foot I mean obviously he won six matches and a Wimbledon trophy after that yeah things kind of worked out but yeah that's all I can think of really and I mean they're doing the best to play it down at least sort of not to make you feel as though his US Open is at risk really and that it's a serious injury but well he's never been into this tournament before with nothing you know it's not that is it we i expected him to pull out of canada or even if he hadn't got a bad knee uh for a bit of extra rest but or at least i thought it was at least 50 50 given that that this weird record was potentially on the line um but no to pull out of cincinnati and need to go in cold into the us open having played no hard court tournaments at all after winning Wimbledon, far from ideal and clearly an issue.

5:11And I know he does this as his typical routine now going into the Australian Open. He doesn't play a warm-up tournament. He rocks up there, hard-court grand slam, backs himself to shake off the rust in the early rounds because of just the level gap between him and almost everybody else. But that's off the back of an off season and feeling physically peak and mentally fresh. Like that just feels like such a different scenario to me than going into the US Open cold match. Like this feels really suboptimal. And like what a wild season he's had. He's had this first half of the season where I think, you know, once he does the accounting, maybe he already has for that part of the season, he would say, I played too much tennis.

6:04And now he's having this second half where he's played seven matches since losing to Juan Manuel Sarundolo in the second round of Roland Garros. yeah assuming he plays the u.s open his three tournaments in a row will be french open wimbledon and the u.s open which as much as we talk about there's too much tennis and everyone needs to you know everyone wants to just focus on the slams i don't think anyone really wants to tennis look like that either and just do that um and we saw how vulnerable he was at wimbledon in in his first match having not played for a little while i know that was grass and that is, I think, a bit different and does take a bit more adjustment.

6:49And he was probably feeling a bit shaken after what happened to him at the French Open. But he never really found his top gear at Wimbledon until the latter stages of that tournament. You know, all along we were waiting for someone to come along and really push him. And it's possible that that might happen at the US Open if he's undercooked going into it. And there's this stat, isn't there, going around that no one on the men's side has won the US Open without playing either Canada or Cincinnati in the lead up since the 1000 category was introduced in 1990. And obviously that's the situation that Alcaraz and Sina are both in going into the US Open.

7:31So it does feel like it's pretty open. And it does, as you say, feel different to when players have come into the Australian Open without any tournaments because of the back of the offseason. Because of generally the fact that no one has played all that much going into the Australian Open. It feels like a leveller in that sense. But right away, Sinner is going to be playing catch up. And there's the question of how much of an issue is the knee injury? Is he going to be affected in any matches? It does put a different complexion, I think, on New York heading into it without Sinner playing in Cincinnati.

8:09And sharpens, David, this sense of opportunity that there has been among the rest of the field in men's tennis since Alcraz's injury and since Yannick Sinner did what he did against Sorundolo at the French Open. and obviously Wimbledon was different. But, you know, we've seen a lot of weird stuff happen to a lot of the guys that we thought would be the ones to capitalise from this situation. And that microscope is going to be even more acute now. We've seen guys ditch their coaches. We've seen guys, you know, kind of crumble under the force, the weight of this opportunity. And now, look, as Matt says, even if he plays the US Open, and that is very much in doubt, this is a serious question mark hanging over him.

9:09Now, if I'm Ben Shelton or Alex de Menor or Francis Tiafoe, this is a big moment. Yeah, it is. And I'd go lower down there and look at some of the younger guys like Jakob Mensik and Rafael Hoda and now Artifis. You know, there's several there that somebody has got to step up and just peak, peak and play their best tennis at the US Open. Whether it's enough to win them, the thing is another matter, but people haven't been peaking. That must be so tough for Shelton and Taylor Fritz, Tommy Paul, Alex de Miró to come to terms with, that they're just not playing the best tennis that they know how when there's suddenly this gaping opportunity.

9:54I mean, the one slight dampener I'd put on that statistic about 1990, which I found fascinating, you know, I've followed, I've basically been a tennis fan ever since then. So I've followed all the Pete Sampras and Rafter and the wins they've had and Agassi needing these tournaments in order to get themselves ready. But I cannot even remember anybody trying to win the US Open without playing those tournaments. so you know nobody's done it but then i don't even remember anybody at the top end going into the u.s open having not played it or cincinnati and like how many things have we seen sinner and alcaraz do that no one else has done before you know no one had ever won the first five masters of a season and he and he rewrote that rule book and you know alcaraz the youngest to win the career slam like they are doing things that haven't been done before so yeah it's well within the realm of possibility that he could.

10:50At the very least, Catherine, to your point, I mean, if I'm going to look at it from a positive standpoint, which I am going to do, it makes for an absolutely mouthwatering US Open. As you say, whether Alcaraz or Sioux, if they play, okay, you've got the two clearly best players in the world in men's tennis going in completely cold, obviously one of them more than the other. And then, so how are they going to play? And all these guys have got that same opportunity, even though it's not quite the same as if they're not there. It's a hell of a difference to a year ago when they were going in and it just felt like, right, okay, what time is the final again?

11:33Yeah, that's kind of the ideal scenario to me, that they both play and that they're both fit. I don't want to see anyone injured, but that they're rusty or undercooked or, you know, just an unknown quantity. You know, as much as I love the Sincaraz rivalry and love their matches, I do not like a feeling of two weeks of trudging towards a known destination. I don't enjoy that. So, yeah, we're potentially on for like an incredibly fun scenario of them both playing, but being real unknown quantities. and there's still being this feeling of opportunity among the rest of the field and us getting to test and find out who can respond to that.

12:20There's also, you know, the scenario where the two best and most exciting players in the world are both fucked and, you know, Bertik van der Zanskamp wins the US Open. I mean, obviously I would quite enjoy that. You would love every minister, Catherine. You know what I mean? Like there's also some bad scenarios on the table. Well, there's the possibility of what happened at the French Open and everyone going, who's it going to be in this big land of opportunity? And it's just Alexander Zverev. Like that's also possible, I think. Yeah. And Flavio Caballi, seen his new hair? David must like it. In fact, that's the sort of hair that makes David predict big things for someone.

13:07Oh, is it? Oh, right. Okay. He's buzzed it. Okay, fine. I did send the picture on the group chat with a sad emoji. When this sort of Kabbali, oh my God, reactions, I'm now at a point where I don't want to sort of ruin Flavia Kabbali for myself. So I'm being careful about what I expose myself to. There was some cabali on the golf course content, soft launching new hair and a comical outfit. It's, as ever, David, it's a roller coaster being a cabali guy. But we're never quite sure with cabali hairstyles whether they're AI or not, are we? Regrettably, this one seems to not be AI. But it's a buzz cut, so I'm all in.

14:00You're all in. Maybe you heard that podcast. Maybe he was just watching replays of Alcaraz with the buzz cut. Maybe he hired, what's that hairdresser's name? Victor. Maybe he's sort of Victor. I think Victor's a one-client guy. Carla, seeing as you're not using Victor at the moment, because you're not a player, any chance I could draft him in? In fact, do you think there's anybody in the world that's got a better work-life balance going on than Victor the barber? He survived the problem with the machine. I know, was that his brother that did that? His brother had the problem with the machine. That was the problem.

14:38That was a great moment for Victor's aura. The issue was lack of Victor. Why didn't Victor show up then? Probably on a yacht somewhere. I mean, you've only got the one job. Right, folks, let's tie a bow on the injury slash haircut portion of the show. Let's call it a day for part one and let's come back in part two and talk about some tennis. Welcome back to part two of today's tennis podcast. Let's start in Toronto, shall we? And the women's quarterfinal lineup, which is set and is thus. Ekaterina Alexandrova to take on Alina Svitolina later on tonight, as is Diana Schneider against Iga Svjontek.

15:28And then the two quarterfinals to be played tomorrow, Tuesday, are Belinda Bencic against Coco Goff and Naomi Osaka against Alina Rabakina. I feel like we should start here by going back a couple of days and talking about Irina Sabalenka's defeat at the hands of Ekaterina Alexandrova. 7-6, 4-6, 6-4, David. A cracking match. And maybe not a shock result, maybe not one that we should overanalyse from a Sabalenka point of view, because she's had a lot of issues with Ekaterina Alexandrovna over the course of her career. And yet it does feel like we are not and haven't been seeing peak Sabalenka for a little while now.

16:18this summer what do you think yeah i think statistically you can make a an argument given that they are five five now in a head-to-head that alexandreva is a a really good player we know that she got to the top 10 last year and b she's caused sabalenka problems before i don't think that that tells the story of this match and this situation anywhere near i watched all of this it was a bonkers match and there was some incredible shot making from both players particularly the sort of strikes of vanis androva she's a lovely timer of a tennis ball when she's playing well and sabalenka was sort of pulling rabbits out of hats to to sort of stay with her but that in itself tells you its own story she was having to hit almost desperate winners to cover up the fact that she was playing terribly for large parts of this match to give you an idea of just how how out of the ordinary this run for alexandrovir is she's had a terrible year she's won 11 matches out of 31 coming into this tournament 11 and 18 this is a player who normally have double the the wins to losses in a year she's had a really tough time and you could see that she would play well and then doubts would come in and she would struggle sabalenka was was just not in control of the ball didn't have feel.

17:40She was coming up with some incredible shots to survive and she saved two match points with aces, one of them on a second serve out wide, which was like a second serve, kick serve out wide. It was a genius shot, but it was also daredevil stuff because she didn't rely, have confidence in her normal game. So she is really wrestling with her game right now. You know, it has not been a good six months or something since the spring, you know, when she was doing so well in the Sunshine Double. This has been a tough period. And I don't look at a player who's confident in her own game right now. And Alexandrova was just a picture of relief in the interview afterwards.

18:26She says, there's been no happiness on the court for me this year, but I feel great right now. You know, but it was that kind of thing. we're looking at a player in Sabalenka who's lost a tie break in this match again she's searching her record Matt since the early days of the clay court season quarter final defeat to Hayley Baptiste this is Sabalenka third round defeat in Rome to Sarana Kistea that Roland Garros quarter final defeat to Deanna Schneider with the six love set semi-finals in Berlin that's the standout result lost to Jessica Bergoula. Wimbledon round of 16, lost to Naomi Osaka, and now this round of 16 defeat to Katarina Alexandrovich in Toronto.

19:12No finals in there either. I mean, in Arina Sabalenka terms, this is a slump. What's different? What's going on? I think if you look at those matches, you can kind of divide them into two types of losses broadly. There's been a couple, the Schneider one and the Pagula one, where she just faded at the end and kind of checked out of the match, had absolutely no game, was beaten easily in the closing moments. and they were very uncharacteristic for Sabalenka because you expect a real fight from her. We've also got the Osaka one, which is a little bit of an anomaly, but that was the first one where she lost in straight sets of the slam for a very long time, wasn't it?

20:04Again, it was uncharacteristic for Sabalenka. But the others, the Baptiste, the Castella, the Alexandre one, these are all players that, okay, I know Alexandre has caused her problems in the past, but Sapolenka is a lot better than all of those players and really she should be winning but she's ending up in tussles and it's like her nerve has gone in some of these big moments and there's a lot of angst in her game right now. She's always played with quite a lot of angst but has largely through the last few years been on the right side of it and found a force in closing moments to get through matches But that is not happening at the moment.

20:48And there seems to be a lot of doubt. And she's not winning close matches. You know, she's already got a negative record on the season in deciding sets. And she looks rattled in those moments. And I think her footwork looks bad, like close to the ball. She looks out of position a lot of the time. it's a worry it's a big worry because I think players already knew that there was you know a little bit of vulnerability with Sabalenka that you could get at and you could maybe make her stress but most most of the time she will still overwhelm you with her game that overwhelming you with her game is kind of gone and it's and the stress is left and players are taking advantage of it and seizing opportunities in big moments.

21:38And she feels very vulnerable now in tournaments in a way that she didn't for such a long time. I guess she might not win them, but you could bank on her consistency to be getting to at least the semis, probably the final of repeatedly big tournaments. And yes, a considerable chunk of time now where that's not happening. And we talk about the different complexion going into the men's US Open. Well, unless something drastic happens in Cincinnati and Sabalenka comes out dominant and wins that tournament, we're going to have a very different complexion going into the Women's US Open as well. Because Sabalenka has felt like a sure thing either to win the title or at very least be there at the business end.

22:22And I wouldn't really say that right now. And we haven't experienced that at a hard court slam for quite a while. I still think she's the player to beat. I'd still just give her, I think she's got just enough like credit in the bank with her hardcore major results over the last few years that I'm still going to be going into the US Open kind of seeing her as the bar. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe I'm placing too much weight there on the past and not reading into form enough. But it's what we always say, majors are different, aren't they? And look, at the moment, there isn't a standout alternative, is there?

23:02Maybe in a couple of weeks' time, if somebody's done the Canada-Cincinnati double and is marking themselves out as an obvious player to beat, maybe then you'll feel differently. But right now, I think I agree with you. In terms of Alexandrova, she faces Alina Svitolina now in the quarterfinal. Svitolina, who fought off a late surge, a rally from Amanda Onisimova. But overall, Matt, a tough scene for Amanda Onisimova. A tearful moment for her on the court. Woke up to a message from you saying another day, another fave in tears on the tennis court. and I thought, oh God, it was the Anisimova match overnight.

23:48Surely not. But so it was. I've seen the footage. I've watched the highlights. What's going on? Yeah, The Cruelest Game. Shout out Matt Futterman. Feels like quite a time to have released that book. Story of the year, really. Like, gets a win in the tournament, but is a bit of a struggle, but just can't level up in the next round and can't get any momentum going in these tournaments. And came out pretty flat against Svitolina and ended up with 12 winners and 47 unforced errors in this one. That's 70 % of the points that Svitolina won were in a Samova unforced errors. And I do think Svitolina does a lot of things very well in that matchup and constricts Anissimova and almost like Svitolina's solidity makes Anissimova panic a little bit and feel like she has to do a lot with the ball and force Anissimova to create angles, which she doesn't really like doing quite so much either.

24:58And she's dominated that head-to-head and it's not a shock to me that Svitolina won this match. She's been by far a better player than Anissimova this season. it's just a shame that like you saw the potential that Nisimova has in the in the very late stages of it where she did she fought really hard and and won three games in a row and saved a load of match points and it looked like maybe she could get back into it but she gave herself too much to do and and Svitolina was was definitely a worthy winner and she's searching Nisimova and And I think, you know, she's back now with Rick Vlieshowers.

25:36She's talked about how maybe they need a little bit of time apart. Maybe they were just starting to clash a little bit at the end of their partnership the first time round. But I think she's realised that it's still a partnership that works. And she's hoping that she can get back to where she was last year. But I don't think it's going to be a quick fix. There's still some real problems in the game as well. You know, the forehand being the big one. I feel like she just needs to get this summer of defending points out of the way, really. Try and see the US Open as a free hit. I know that's impossible, but, you know, go into it thinking you're not going to reach the final like you did last year.

26:19But whatever. Let's just, you know, anything's a bonus. Let's just have a nice, loose hit. Obviously, that mind game doesn't work and life is so much more complicated than that. but at least try and perform that magic trick on your mind. I get it. Like the whole mentality of defending points is, I don't know, it's like if you were designing like a mental prison for an athlete, that's pretty much it, isn't it? But yeah. It's going to be interesting whether Aleksandr can do the thing that so many winners over Sabalenka haven't been able to do and back up the big win. The problem is, like, we know how much Svitolina, well, we know how well she's playing one and we know how extra motivated and how she seems to lift her game when she plays Russian opponents as well.

27:18Like, it's pretty much the worst person I would have thought to have to play after coming through a win like that against Sabalenka to have to face Svitolina. So I wouldn't be shocked if we're in another scenario where Sabalenka is looking at it and seeing herself beaten and thinking, oh, that person is going to go out in the very next round again. Can they keep it up? No, they can't, Irina. Elena Rabakina, because of Sabalenka's defeat, can now get within four ranking points of Sabalenka if she goes on to win the title in Toronto this week. I don't know how it's for because I've never heard of anything other than numbers being numbers divisible by 10 or at least five being awarded as ranking points.

28:09I don't know how it's for. But anyway, it is for it on the basis of what I saw in her match against Lidmila Samsonova last night. She ain't going on to win this title. But of course, stranger things have happened. It's sport. She got over the finish line. She gets to go again and hopefully play better. But my God, was this an absolute hot mess of a tennis match. David, did you put yourself through any of Rabakinis Amsonova? It's one of those that I've watched so much tennis this week. The time zone has kind of worked well for me to just sort of wake up at 6am and watch the entire night before's play our time.

28:55but this one was in the the evening time sort of in a in a waking hours um and so i was i wasn't watching every ball and i wasn't in front of the tv but i had it on the ipad while i was cooking i didn't really have the sound on i was just sort of glancing over and and it's like you said the scoreline was all over the place i mean sam son of a had i think a three love lead in the deciding set and ended up losing the match from there three love serving she was double break and i mean she looks like a player devoid of kind of confidence when it matters but I think she's always sort of been that player dangerous but you know he doesn't really have that kind of final piece of jigsaw of belief that you need and Rybakina isn't it strange how the work of ranking system works here she is she could go to world number one in the next sort of month or so probably will because Sam Sabalenka defending the US Open title.

29:52And yet she's playing the worst tennis of the year that she's played, basically, because she was absolutely unplayable at the start of the year and the end of last year. And now she can barely hit a barn door. You know, she looks totally devoid of, again, a little bit like Sabalenka, just doesn't seem to be feeling the ball and feeling the conditions and looks beatable in a way that she so often doesn't look beatable, as though somebody could play their best tennis and it might not get nearer because she stops you. But her serve is getting broken a lot. And that is a weird scenario, isn't it? For somebody with the, I would have thought, the best serve in the game when it's working well to just be getting broken like this.

30:37Yeah, that's the big distinction between, you know, convincing Pete Rabakina and the Rabakina that we're seeing at the moment. Yeah, there's other issues. The forehand is unconvincing. She looks sort of kind of mentally pretty frazzled. Some of the decision making isn't great, but I think all that stems from, you know, if you're not holding serve, you know, the rest of your game can start to feel quite frail. Every time she steps up to the service line, I'm like, well, certainly yes. In yesterday's match, I was like, well, this is probably going to be a break here. It was such a weird match. Yeah, I mean, Samsonova was a breakup three times in the opening set and didn't even take it to a tie break or anything, didn't even win the set.

31:24Like, every time she went to break up Samsonova, she just gave it back straight away. And then, yeah, had that three love double break lead and didn't even get that to anything close to a tie break, just sort of capitulated as soon as she had the lead. She kept being broken from 40 love up as well, Samsonova. It was one of those matches which was so weird. And all throughout it, I was, you know, well, certainly when Rabatkinner was three love down, I was thinking, well, this opportunity to get to world number one has been there for Rabatkinner over the last few months. And actually, she's had worse losses than San Valenka in that time.

32:06You know, if you think to Stara Dupseva at the French Open, she lost to Balta on the grass, didn't she? She lost to Mertens at Wimbledon. And then I was thinking, oh, she's going to lose to Samsonova. Like, it's been there for her and she just hasn't been able to do it. She did eventually get through, as we say, in a very unconvincing manner. First serve percentage below 50%. I think Osaka's taking her out in the next round. They've never met before, interestingly. She's crazy. And she's looked very convincing. She's been so good. Osaka hasn't dropped a set. Yeah. She's been really good. Like really good in a way because she's been really good for a while now.

32:48You know, obviously Wimbledon was a massive breakthrough for her on grass. Like is this another level up from Osaka? Potentially, yeah. Look, I think the thing with Osaka is what happens when she doesn't quite have her game and she's put under a little bit of stress. I suppose we haven't seen that this run. We obviously saw it in Washington. term we saw at Wimbledon when she obviously served Sabalenka off the court but then didn't have that weapon against Mukova and wasn't quite able to win it but I don't know like just watching the two of them Osaka seems so much more convincing than Rabatkin at the moment I'm not sure she will necessarily need to be testing that thing of what happens if it gets really tight I think she I mean if Rabatkin serves like that I think Osaka will win quite comfortably based on how they've been playing so far.

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33:44She's looked brilliant, Asaka, striking the ball so well, good numbers, really clean matches. Okay, she had a little wobble at the start against Fernandes, but immediately got back on track. And yeah, I've been seriously impressed. Yeah, I watched quite a lot of that Fernandes match last night. And the crowd wasn't quite as feral as it was from Boco in Montreal last year, just because I think, you know, the youth and the unexpectedness and the fairy tale story of Mboko really heightened the senses. But it was still an incredibly partisan Canadian crowd. And that's obviously a situation last year that Naomi Osaka had a very difficult time with and didn't necessarily cope with all that well.

34:28And last night it was blinkers on stuff. It was very impressive from Osaka. Just cycling back around or a couple of days, Leila Fernandez's win over Mira Andreeva, 6-1, 6-4. That was the worst performance I've seen of the week, that Mira Andreeva performance. And I, as we've established, watched Rabakines Samsonova. Andreeva was awful. I was quite taken aback, Matt, by what I saw from Mira Andreeva. Yeah, again, one of those matches where the scoreline in the second set makes it look a little bit closer than it felt because she had a late rally. But it was 6-1-5-1 to Fernandes and she was absolutely cruising.

35:19Fernandes was really good. I was really impressed with her and thought she had great energy and played really well. but Andreeva was all at sea. I mean, her forehand was so bad. I mean, it's always been the weaker wing, but it's been a fairly consistent shot. I don't look at it and I'm not on edge thinking it's going to be an error. I'm just thinking, can she actually do much with the ball? But it was just error after error and it was a mix of like real lifelessness. Like I didn't feel like she was there for a lot of the match And then occasionally she'd get really frustrated and they would cut to Conchita in the stands and she'd be shaking her head, you know, in the way that she does.

36:04And honestly, it just it couldn't have looked more different to the person who won the French Open a few months ago, largely without fuss, really. I mean, the defining feature of that run was how controlled Andreva was throughout it in matches that she was the favorite in in pretty much all of them. She never let that bother her, which we have seen in the past. Well, we seem to be back to the Andreva that we saw sort of back in the last season or through the spring. And it's understandable to an extent when, you know, you win your first Grand Sam title. We've talked about this before. Things change and it feels different.

36:47And maybe there's also some fatigue from winning a Grand Sam title that's still there. But I was quite shocked by the state of her game, considering that she'd had a bit of a rest after Wimbledon. And I thought there was going to be a real freshness to her, but there wasn't. Iga Shiontek, David, into the quarterfinal, she'll now face Deanna Schneider, who beat Jessica Pagula quite comfortably, actually, 3-3 for Schneider over Pagula. In terms of Svantec, she'd had those couple of very comfortable victories and then a 3-6, 6-1, 6-2 win over Marta Kostiuk, a pretty frazzled and frustrated Marta Kostiuk by the end of this match.

37:36Yeah, a little bit like Andreeva. She just had not got a forehand in this match. I mean, she won that first set. I didn't watch the first set, but I saw the stats that Matt sent us through that I think Shontek had won one point on a serve in the entire first set. I mean, that's extraordinary. So you can tell me about the servers. I can tell you what happened late on, which is that Shontek definitely started to package her game well and tighten things up and play well and allow Kostchuk to just spray the ball all over the shop. and so you know I kind of take heart from a Svantec point of view that she's she's getting through matches where she's having the odd bad patch but well what happened in that first set honestly like neither of them could really serve like there was a lot of breaks but Svantec in particular wasn't like her percentage was bad she was she was over 60 percent first serves in but it was just it was just a nothing ball it was so ineffective and Kostiuk was doing that thing of stepping in on the return and and crushing it which she kept up through the match and by the end Kostiuk just kept missing on those returns and spraying it was like she was being too stubborn she needed to she needed to rein that in I think because it stopped working but in the first set it was really working and could I just clarify here one point Iga Shiantek won one point on her own serve yes in the opening set of this tennis match and then won the match like it's one of the craziest turn I don't think I've ever seen a stat like that like no matter how good Kostiuk's return is Shiontek should not be at a point with her serve where she's only winning one point on it in an entire set it was it was staggering um but I do feel like she felt like it was a big win The celebration at the end was big from Svantec.

39:38And we just haven't seen that trajectory of match all that much where she's able to turn it around. I felt like that was big for her. Normally it's gone the other way. She's faced some pressure. She's buckled a bit and never got it back. Well, she was under severe pressure in that first set, but she turned it around. And yeah, so it's one of those where you come out of it thinking, well do we focus on the disastrous first set where she where she couldn't do anything on serve or do we focus on the real positive of the next next couple of sets where she turned it around i guess we'll have to wait and see as as the tournament goes on but it could be a breakthrough moment for her do you know what i would focus on a little bit is what she said on the court at the end of it which is i feel in a completely different place to to to earlier in the year she was asked about the sort of last match she'd played against Kostiuk and how she talked at the French Open about feeling stress and feeling on the edge.

40:38You know, she says, I just don't feel like that now. Clearly, she's had a break. She had a bit of time off and she seems just, she seems a lot happier out there on the court, a lot fresher. Coco Goff, this is the final, quarterfinal Goff against Bencic. Goff, a very comfortable winner yesterday against Alina Korneva, who had beaten Nivy Jovic in straight sets in the previous round. I watched both of those two matches. And when I watched Korneva against Jovic, I was like, my God, I think I sent a text to the group saying, does Korneva just not do unforced errors? Because that seems like a great, great tennis hack.

41:17It was such a clean, clinical, tidy performance from Korneva. And then seeing her against Goff was, it was fascinating, actually, because Goff is kind of the nightmare opponent for a young, clean, sort of junior transitioning player because shots that are winners against other players aren't against Coco Goff. You hit this lovely shot, your whole life, that's been a winner against everybody you've played and Goff is getting it back into an awkward position and you just want to be standing there admiring what you did 10 seconds ago. Very relatable for me. but yeah it was a sort of fascinating case study seeing those two matches back to back I mean Jovic is a fantastic mover and hustler on the tennis court but Goff is just unmatched in that department isn't she and is looking quite convincing Coco Goff I feel quite convinced by Coco Goff right now Yeah, and it's very different scorelines to what we're used to for Coco Gauff.

42:25Think of all her good runs this season, Miami, Rome, Wimbledon. She had so many three-set matches along the way to get there, and we were praising her fighting spirit all the time. But there was part of you thinking, be nice if she won a bit more convincingly. Well, she's been doing that this tournament. She's barely dropping games, really, in sets, certainly in her last couple of matches. I think she's looked really good. The serve is definitely improved on where it was earlier in the season. And yeah, like the pressure she was able to apply to Korneva on return and in defence was just, I'm sure, unlike anything Korneva had ever experienced.

43:11And yeah, tasty one against Benchik. That's been a pretty good rivalry, actually, over the last 18 months or so. This will be their seventh meeting since the start of 2025. And five of those six have been won by Goff, but five have also been deciding sets. They're tussles, generally, when those two play. There's a little bit of edge to it as well. And I can't wait for that one. Bencic was the one David to end Alexandra Eala's run last night late last night well overnight for us Eala had won this absolute thriller against Katie McNally a couple of nights before 6-3-5-7-6-4 which I watched quite a lot of David I know you watched pretty much in its entirety the next morning you've got a weird sort of you're you're recreating the 90s with vhs with your with your tennis setup at the moment it's good stuff um and it was a great match and ayala was wonderful but you did say that looked like it might have been the end of the road for ayala it looked like she might have had to drop the last gasps of what she had in the canister in order to get through that and last night against Bencic, 6-0, second set, that take, well, it aged very well.

44:37Yeah, McNally's a player I love to watch and watching her and Iala go toe-to-toe, that is a match I could watch again happily. They're very different type of rallies that you get normally and lots of drop shots, lots of unusual angles visually and a really good tussle. And I mean, you're right, Iala was pushed to the absolute limit in this thing. And the atmosphere is so incredible. And it sort of pulled her over the line. But then the moment she won, her emotions came out. And it was sort of as though she was just broken by the weight of it, by what it had taken for her to get over the line, just made her crumple under the weight of it all.

45:30Her features immediately went from this stern, intense concentration focus to, oh, I've done it, I just can't take any more. It looked like it just finished her off, really. She was very, very grateful and happy that she'd managed to sit. She actually sort of said, it's so important that I could set up another match. to enable this atmosphere. You know, she'd managed to get one more occasion out of it. And for a few games, she did pretty well in this match overnight. But honestly, she was just on empty. She was just pushing accelerator when there's no gas left in the tank. And Bencic cleaned her up in the second set, six love, in no time at all.

46:18And I was sort of watching the first set thinking, again, great atmosphere. but at what point does Iala's progress cost her going forwards? I was thinking if she can, because she didn't look tired in the first few games, she looked fine. And I thought she goes and wins this and keeps this run going, a bit like Rafael Hodares, you know, and go and win this tournament, say. I think if she wins this tournament, she's got to pull out as Cincinnati because at some point she needs a rest. And actually now she's kind of been made to have a rest because she's lost. So I suspect she will be on the start line at Cincinnati.

46:58But yeah, it's an interesting process to watch. And yeah, Bencic. And actually just a word from Nali. Nali loved that atmosphere the other night. And she sort of wanted to almost tell Iala, thank you for bringing this to our sport and for me to be able to get to share in this. And that's a lovely feeling. I loved that moment. so much and there's a line on the WTA website where apparently McNally got a 10 ,000 plus Instagram following boost after the match with all the Filipino fans like really loving McNally as well and sending her a lot of nice messages apparently so that was really nice to see they're just so positive aren't they?

47:50It's not just the volume of the fandom but it's the vibe and the positivity. Discovering a sport as well as cheering their own player. They're discovering a sport, it seems. Yeah, that's wonderful. Okay, who are your two finalists and your champion from here? Alexander vs. Vitalina, winner of that to face the winner of Schneider Svjantek, winner of Bencic Goff to play the winner of Osaka Rabakina. who's coming through each half of the draw. I'm going Svitolina. Svitolina Osaka, I might go. Svitolina Gough. You're going for a Gough-Osaka semi-final? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, me too. Yes, please. Okay. Yeah, I think I'm Svitolina.

48:48I think I'm going Svitolina Gough as well. I think it's Vitalina for the title for me. Yeah. Matt? I might go Osaka, you know. Just watching that, just thinking, bloody hell, she's playing well. She's in my fantasy team. No trouble at all. OK, that's it for part two. I'll warn you now, I will be doing the same game with the men's in part three. So I don't want any eye rolls when we get to the prediction stage. See you in part three. Welcome back to part three of today's tennis podcast. Heading to Montreal now where the men's quarterfinals look like this. Daniel Merida will take on Leonard Tien on Tuesday.

49:36The winner of that to face the winner of Jakub Mensik against Ben Shelton. Also on Tuesday, tonight's quarterfinals are Rafael Hodder against Artifis and Luciano Darderi against Brandon Nakashima. Let's start with Hodder Fies, which in terms of a match-up, probably the one, well, look, it jumps out to us the most, but I'm sure it jumps out to a lot of casuals the most as well. Not just because of the names, the fact that they're young and exciting, but the form they're in as well. Hodder with a 3-3 victory over Yirila Hetschka, Art of Fies, lit it up against Cameron Norrie. David, 6-2, 7-6. And he takes some beating, Cameron Norrie.

50:21You have to put that guy away. And that was a real... OK, he'd got those two victories prior to this one, Art of Feast. Varying levels of convincing, I would say, in those two matches. He had the racket smash moment in the Schweider match, didn't he, Feast? I was still feeling quite cautious about Art of Feast before this Cam Nori match. Now, David, I'm all in. I am pumped. You can only imagine when I am. He was awesome. He was awesome. And he was awesome in the first game of this match. He hit three winners in his first three points on forehand. I mean, his forehand is always heavy and it's a good finisher, but he doesn't often pull the trigger out of nowhere unless he's really feeling it.

51:16And he was just, they were in a rally, cross-court forehands, and then suddenly he just went down the line and finished the point with no real obvious opportunity to do so. Just he was hitting it that cleanly. Won the first set 6-2. And, I mean, I'm amazed that Norrie managed to get it close in that second set. And he got it really close. He got two set points in the tiebreak. what he does Norrie as well as fighting incredibly hard I thought he actually played really quite well as well in this match he lost 6-2 7-6 but but you know his level was high I thought Norrie he is one of the most irritating opponents I think on the tour for an opponent for a tennis player he was shouting a lay after every one of the points that he won including on fees errors and including when the ball hadn't even landed from a Feast shot.

52:13You know, Feast would hit a shot and he would tell that it was going out and he would go, Ellie! And I mean, I'm thinking, you must be getting injured in his skin because you're getting under my skin and I'm just sitting there watching. He's really lent in to the villain arc, I think, Cam Norrie. He always had a bit of that in him and, you know, he went to US College, didn't he? and all that sort of sledging, dark arts, shithousery stuff is quite a big thing at US College. But I feel like in the last few years, he's really embraced the dark side, don't you think? I wasn't expecting this. Yeah, I think so.

52:52I think he had a knock-up against Hodder, didn't he, where he was almost trying to hit him with the ball. Like he was hitting the ball as hard as he possibly could in the knock-up. I think maybe, do you think the aggro he had with Djokovic in Rome, do you think that was like his villain origin story? That was like, okay, I'll be this guy. And the funny thing is he doesn't give you any, he doesn't have anything confrontational about him. He doesn't sort of then go up to the net. Yeah, he just, you wouldn't know. I mean, he's a really nice fellow when you talk to him. He's very polite and very helpful and very accommodating.

53:30but he's just constantly doing this stuff and he doesn't seem to have any conscience about it whatsoever and he knows what he's doing he knows it's irate i mean and actually to be honest i'm looking at feast thinking well it doesn't appear to be irritating you at all and i'm waiting for the moment where i mean like i said he got to i think i think feast had about six match points before he eventually won this match and several of them before the tie break as well and then in the tie break he's facing two set points and i'm thinking if he loses this set after being clearly the better player in it but is it going to come out this this stuff that nori's doing i mean my 14 year old son joined me for the second set of this match and he is he's a big feast guy right he loves artifacts almost as much where that's from yeah and and and i said i said listen to this listen to when when he shouts alay to a frenchman after the frenchman's missed a shot and the ball hasn't even landed yet and he listened and he was and he was like he was really shocked by it that people did that and it happened two more times and my son just went dad i really want to say a word that i'm not allowed to say because he was really getting wound up yeah he was getting really wound up by it and and then by the end of it when feast one my son's like jumping around the room yes come on l-a-u you know it's that kind of thing um so look feast was was really really good and i think mentally strong i think the the caution you have to have is always is is he going to pull up lame is is there going to be a moment where the the back or the hip causes a problem doesn't look like it at the moment like he looks great um so and he looks to me like he's developed some confidence in his body looking back now at performances from Washington and from the early rounds here he was probably really nervous about his body and on edge about that that same anxiety we have about is it going to break down he's probably got that too and and it looked like it looks tentatively like that's fading from certainly the forefront of his mind.

55:41I feel more relaxed watching him than I have in a long time. Hodder next. Who's the favourite in that? It's 50-50 to me. I mean, I think on paper you'd say Hodder. He won last week in Washington in straight sets. When is Hodder going to run out of gas? Well, he's getting better again. This is the interesting thing. It's almost as though he's hit the win. It's been really good. And he's having his second win now because he's now playing the tennis he was in Madrid and Barcelona when he was destructive. I mean, to beat Lehechka three and three, I'm going to go Fies because I actually think, I still think Fies is a better player.

56:23I mean, look, maybe I would say that, but I just think he's, I think his top level is the closest to the very top three in the world. but three or four if you include Djokovic obviously but Hodder is impressing me that that he is not just tail spinning away the thing that gets me about Hodder is his return of serve it is already among the very very best in the world you look up the returning stats on on tour and the players who are always at the top of those stats are the best players return of serve is massive in men's tennis over the last few years and hodd is right there with like cinema and alcaraz in the in the top 10 of like all the stats on return and he's he's just hurting people on that shot off either wing it's incredible and I I found the Hodah experience so weird this season we talked about it a bit the other day but I I all but I think that I've kind of let my own like I don't quite know how this guy plays don't quite know what to make of him and it's been a bit of a weird period without Alcaraz as well I think I've let that slightly get in the way of just how remarkable what he's doing is he is if you take away team events opt to have this stack take away team events hodd has claimed the most wins of any teenager within their first 50 matches at atp tour level in the open era and think of like there've been some amazing teenagers in that time and hodd has racked up so many wins.

58:15The consistency is crazy. And what gets me even more is they have this behind-the-scenes cam at Montreal and you can see into the gym. And there's all these people with their big teams and their physios going through a big workout before a match. Hodder's dad is taking him through his stretching routine. He's the only guy there. And yet it's... working it's like he's breaking the mold of these people having big teams now i still think he might need to go down that route in the future but it's remarkable to see it working so well at this time it's so like uncomplicated which is kind of what his tennis is when it's at his when he's at his best as well and i look at feasts and i'm more excited by feasts like way more like his explosiveness and his personality on court and his potential with the you know with that forehand in particular but i do think it's possible that hodd just like chops him up a bit in the way that he sort of keeps doing to people like he sees the serve and he just sort of destroys it.

59:33And it's just hard to grasp, I think, with Hodder in a way that Fees, I get Fees. I know what Fees is about. Yeah, yeah. I'm just struggling a bit more with Hodder. But that's not to say he's not as good. He's 13 in the live rankings. There's a potential for him to break the record of shortest gap on the ATP between breaking the top 100 and breaking the top 10, which is currently held by Boris Becker, who won Queen's and Wimbledon back-to-back as a 17-year-old. Decent. Yeah, that'll do it. And there's potential going to obliterate it. Yeah, absolutely. And do it without winning a slam. Do it with, you know, obviously he's had big results, but do it kind of with consistency, which isn't how teenagers tend to break records like this.

1:00:25that's what both of these two guys have done actually this season is i mean i think feces now reached his fourth masters 1000 quarter final of the year um and and has has got a re you know a decent ranking and he's he's only played the one grand slam tournament you know um and and and hard i guess he got to the quarterfinals of the french i still don't quite know how he pulled that off given the state he looked um but yeah just the consistency and the the refusal to just tail away amazing uh the winner of hod our feast places the winner of dardari nakashima the agenda david informs me that you have nakashima takes which i think might be a first on the tennis podcast i don't know whether i would say takes but i'm interested in a fact um and a correlation of results with that fact the fact is that wayne ferreira is now his coach and has been with him since Queens he reached the semi-finals of Queens um he he had big wins in Washington you know he went deep in Washington and and I just I mean look I I can't I haven't spoken to Wayne I saw I saw Wayne in uh Wimbledon and and it was he was he's always really nice to us you know Wayne Ferreira we've we've we've had a lot of dealings with him over the years and and he's done a lot of coaching I mean, he had great success with Francis Tiafoe.

1:01:53I think Tiafoe played the best tennis of his career whilst Wayne Ferrer was his coach. He had a short period of time with Jack Draper. He had a fairly short time with Alexey Popperin. And like I say, I'm wary of drawing sort of cause and effect with things. But semifinals of Queens, in Washington, he went and beat Jakub Menchik. he beat Alex Diminor, did Nakashima, he pushed Taylor Fritz very close to a third set, and here he's gone and beaten Nata Rindeknesh, he's got to the quarterfinals, you know, he's had two long three-set wins. Feels like that partnership has definitely added an extra something to him, and he's always been a really consistent, accurate server, and he's got a good, solid baseline game with a really good backhand everything sort of works well he's like classic american player on a hard court of being at his best there um so he takes some putting away and yeah i'm just interested to see whether that partnership and ferrera's got a bit of spike to him hasn't he you know we we know him well enough and nakashima always seems to lack that at least you can't get a read on, well, how much of a sort of mongrel is he on a court?

1:03:17Has he got some of that scrappiness that I certainly think Wayne Ferreira will want to, he'll want to see some confrontational tennis almost from him, certainly some scrapping. Yeah, that's a great point. He's a distinct personality, Wayne, isn't he? I can see why it doesn't work with some players and it doesn't work quite quickly and dramatically. I can see why, you know, he's got into things, Jack Draper, for example, and it's just clearly not been the right fit. But I can also see why when it does click, it really clicks and it really works. You know, we saw that with his partnership with Tiafoe for a long time.

1:03:57Those remain Francis Tiafoe's best results. He clearly had Tiafoe's ear and Tiafoe was prepared to listen and buy in. You know, I think if you get someone's buy-in, I can see why that yields results. I've been to some weird places with Wayne Ferreira. Do you want to clarify that? I don't know. Stranded in Chengdu. Crumpled in tears. Crumpled in tears on the floor of Beijing airport. Nightclubs in Chile. There's a travel night there. in the back of a cab with a drunk Mark Philippou, nursing a drunk Mark Philippou. You were running the public relations for the Champions Tour, weren't you? And he was on it.

1:04:49Well, you were running the public relations for the Champions Tour. I was...

1:04:56Representing me. Representing David, yeah. So that I didn't have to go. In the back of a cab with the drunk Mark Philippou. Yeah. In the middle seat, no less.

1:05:10He's the oldest player left in the field, Nakashima And he only turned 25 last week Yeah, new balls please, David Yeah, it's the first time ever that all eight quarter finalists At an ATP event have been born in the 2000s Oh God Everyone was so desperate for Bertrand van der Daen's court to lose So that they could have that stat leave my leave my guy Bertic alone Bertic's not good for the movement he's not good absolutely not like as much as this has been a weird tournament like I would say TN Mensik Shelton Hodder Fies like they're the they're the young guys who are exciting to me And like they're there in this draw and Fonseca was there in the previous round.

1:06:12And like there's just this thing where some of the players you maybe expect to take advantage of the situation ATP Tauro's in at the moment can't quite capitalise on it. Like a Medvedev and an Orgi Aliassim and a Dimonor. But then you've got this, as David was talking about, this newer wave, this younger wave. and they're kind of here in Canada right now and it's going to be interesting to see which one of them it is, I suppose. Ben Shelton faces Jakub Menchik, winner of that to face Merida or Tien. Shelton getting the better of Fonseca last night 6-3, 7-6. He was three love in that second set was Fonseca.

1:07:00got broken back and then seemed to tweak something in his foot or in his ankle. And we're reassured that it's fine. He didn't call the trainer at the time. And yet he totally went off the boil after that moment. I think he was shocked. I think he was worried. He lost all the momentum in the match, immediately lost serve. Just wasn't the same player. His whole vibe changed, Fonseca. But Shelton was good in this match. David, I know you watched it as well. Looking at it through the lens of what Matt was saying about Hodder and the return, you know, the return stats pretty much correlating with the rankings.

1:07:44You know, and the return has been one of the areas that Ben Shelton has had to work on and improve in his game. And I had the commentators, I think it was Colin Fleming in this match and in Shelton's previous match, talk about how that was what he went back to the practice court to work on after his defeat to Otto Werden at Wimbledon in the opening round, which was a shocker really for Ben Shelton, given his expectations and the level of opportunity. where does the Shelton return look like it's at to you David? Yeah I think his game looks like it is rounding into form nicely now that was a good performance I agree with you and actually he got his serve broken in the very first game by Fonseca who came out feeding the ball incredibly well I thought eventually had that nasty little ankle turn that he had in the second set But I think Shelton did well to kind of immediately break back and get into that first set and turn it around.

1:08:47And I just got the sense that obviously the serve is always going to be a weapon. But you need more than that. And you need more than serving big forehand these days. You need the backhand to stand up. You need to be able to, as you say, be able to make returns. He just looks like he's training in the right direction. when there's so many players of the big names I don't feel like that about they're either struggling or they're injured Shelton I mean he did it last year you know he won this tournament last year kind of need kind of hit the wall in Cincinnati and then played the best tennis I think he's ever felt he's played at a grand slam in the US Open and then had a terrible injury so rounding around nicely into form and hopefully you can stay full of it I think the matchup with Menship will be interesting from a Shelton return perspective because I do think that one of the things about the Fonseca serve is that he likes to kick it and you know his his natural kick is to the Shelton forehand and I felt like Shelton was able to just take a step back in the court and actually take a full swing at the return and he was pretty comfortable doing that.

1:10:00I think it's situations like at Werton and on a quick grass court at Wimbledon where he's not got the time. What are his hand skills like on the return? And I think there's still some question marks there. And I think Möncheng will test that a little bit more than Fonseca, whose serve was kind of in and out through the match, I think. Yeah, he wasn't happy with his serve yesterday, Fonseca. it was a lovely match in terms of the amount that they both were at the net really pleasing from that point of view and Brian Shelton is encouraging Ben to be there he was there a lot anyway and Brian Shelton still wanted more of that and Fonseca was up there a lot as well, it was really it was a nice tennis match Peace was watching Yes And Merida He was.

1:10:51Yes, I'm Merida. Trinity Rodman surprised him. He shut the door in her face. Then reopened it. But, yeah. Menchik, David, he was your pick for the title in the last pod. We could talk about Eka Menchik or we could talk about Greg Allensworth. Yes. He delivered a shutdown of a spectator who apparently was sort of heckling the players and delivering his own advice, which Mensik was at pains to tell Greg Allensworth. This is the second time it's happened. Same guy. And Greg, just when it went quiet, he just said, ladies and gentlemen, the players have their own coaches who they pay money to. and so could you please stop giving them advice?

1:11:50They have their own fantastic coaches and Menshirt just sort of went...

1:11:58It was the perfect level of umpire sass. Yeah, perfect. Little twinkle in the eye. This is why Craig Tiley's idea is to put umpires in bunkers beneath the court is something I just can't get on board with. We need those moments. Keep Greg out in the open. A little mention for Bertic's shot of the tournament, please. Oh, I mean. What a player. Unbelievable. Hercac smashes the ball at him and he sort of swerves his body out the way, but moves his racket just to... Like the Matrix. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Gets his racket on it, has the control on it to get it back. And yeah, he saved a couple of match points, didn't he, to beat Hubert Hurk.

1:12:51But then, as we predicted, he will eventually lose. Yes, absolutely. Nice run. Classic. Nice run for him. So, Merida Tien, winner to face the winner of Menshik Shelton. Hodar Feast, the winner to face Darderi Nakashima. Emer. Merida, by the way. Yeah. He had not, he'd never won a match on a hardcore, on a hardcore level before this and is now in the quarters. And like he's now in the top 40 and obviously he's been overshadowed by Hodder and everything he's done. But this has been a pretty crazy breakout season for him as well. And I like his backhand a lot. Spain have got going. Could do the World Cup Davis Cup double this year.

1:13:36I'd have thought. And Tien, I've been a bit worried about his arm. Like even before yesterday, I thought there were times where the last few matches I've seen him play, going back a bit, I felt like maybe something's bothering him on his arm. His forehand hasn't been quite so good. And then yesterday had the tape against Tarante. And yet he's also been quite good and beating people pretty convincingly. So I don't quite know what to make of that one. who are your finalists who is your winner david you went menchik in the last pod is he still your champion yeah i am inevitably now that answer visa started to get going i've got whipped up and i'm starting to regret that because i think it's going to be a feast menchik final um but i think menchik's taking out shelton yeah i do i think i think he'll win a serving contest i just think he's taking care of business really straightforwardly i think that'll probably be seven six in the third or something and i kind of feel like men's she could get the better of it very funny moment by the way we learned at tn and tommy paul at the net the other day where um tn showed tommy paul his cramping leg after just having beaten him six three six two and uh you know don't tell me that now you know you've just destroyed me and you've got cramp i mean Bloody hell.

1:15:00And by the way, just one of the final little note before I hand over to Matt for his predictions. I'm going to go for Menshik over Feast in the final. I wasn't quite aware of the fact that Montreal's planning this huge stadium renovation and building a new stadium, I think for probably in about five or six years' time, and a lot of protests being had about it because it's going to take up a bit more of the park that the thing's built on. But it's going to be 15 ,000 seats up from 11 now, and it'll have a retractable roof. So that would be quite a moment. Yeah, they do suffer with rain. Yeah, they need a roof really, don't they?

1:15:38I like that stadium. I really do. But yeah, that seems like a good plan. Do you have a favourite out of Montreal, Toronto, when you watch it, the look of it on the telly? It's tough for me because I've been to both. So it's hard for me to just go on the telly. But Montreal is my strong. I enjoyed both very much, but I really love Montreal. I do like that stadium. The press room is fantastic there. So it's really hard for me to divorce that experience and just drill it down to the televisual experience. What about you? Yeah, I feel like Montreal just feels on the telly a little bit more intimate, like the crowd's just a little bit more on top of the players.

1:16:28That's how it feels when you're there as well. Right. I do like that. I feel like you just get these, you get atmospheres whipped up in Montreal in quite a way. But they're both great. They both look good on the telly, I think. Matt, your predictions?

1:16:48I will go with Shelton. For the title? For the final. coming through that coin flip match against Mensik I'm feeling Hodder you know so I'm going to go Shelton-Hodder final with Hodder to win yeah and then pull out of Cincinnati you can't keep going I think he should surely I think he should, because if we're talking about doubts over Sino and Alcaraz,

1:17:33Hodder's got a shot at the US Open, but I don't think he would pull out. No, doesn't seem to be in his DNA, does it? Certainly not at the moment. Okay, so we've got Monday, Tuesday is when the quarterfinals in Canada are being played. The semifinals are all on Wednesday in Montreal and in Toronto. Thursday at the finals and it is also the first day of Cincinnati because there aren't enough days in the tennis calendar as we've established and that means that Friday is our next show our post-Canada live YouTube show 8pm live on YouTube also available as a podcast of course and we will be talking about everything that happens between now and Friday in Canada and the first day of Cincinnati when probably absolutely nothing of note will have happened because it takes about five days for these tournaments to get going.

1:18:29But we'll talk about it anyway, because that's what we do here on the Tennis Podcast. So Friday at 8pm is our next show, my dad's birthday. So that's his evening entertainment lined up. Did your mum have a good birthday, Matt? She did, yes. She had a lovely day. I would highly recommend the David Bowie Lightroom thing. Great. It's very cool. Very pleased to hear that. I had a sneaky peek at the mascot today. It was like I knew it was going to be a good one, so I let myself have a scroll to the bottom. It's a double header. It is two dogs that are very clearly friends and are wearing matching bandanas.

1:19:15It is Archie and Alfie. We know Archie and Alfie. They are owned by Amanda Kirkland and they are three Peters. Archie is a mini golden doodle and Alfie is a petite golden doodle. Both doodles love watching tennis with their parents. Amanda says, I didn't mention my husband in last year's blurb and got in trouble. And they live. It's not a shout out for your husband, Amanda. It's a shout out for Archie and Alfie. I think that's fine. You still haven't mentioned his name, but you have mentioned that there is a husband that exists and they live in New Jersey. Look at these dogs. Come on. They've got tennis ball bandanas on.

1:20:07I think their paws are touching. I think they might be. I think that Archie's back paw is sort of holding paws with, no, no, Alfie's back paw and Archie's front paw. They are wonderful. I love them very much. Thank you for getting my week off to the perfect start by looking at two doodles being friends. Thank you, Amanda. Thank you, Archie and Alfie, for being three Pete mascots. We love that. Hello to our mascots, Bodie, Maisie and Roger. Hello to our top folks and executive producers, Greg, Chris and Jeff. And we'll head to Matt for some shout outs. We have Andrew Greenhoff from Bristol. Hello, Andrew.

1:20:53Hi, Andrew. Andrew says, I met David Catherwood and Matt at the US Open in 2023 at the Alcaraz Medvedev semifinal. And we had a wide ranging conversation about a few things, including VPNs and ticket prices. I remember that. Didn't we recommend NordVPN? Probably. It's served us well for many years. That was, do you remember that Medvedev performance? Yeah. Yeah. Didn't he say he needed to play like 11 out of 10 or something? And then he very much did. And then was bad against Djokovic in the final. He had one set against Djokovic that lasted two hours and then the rest of it was pretty me. I think I saw you, David, after you've been commentating on that and you were shoving a chocolate muffin in.

1:21:45You were like, I need sugar. I was finished. I needed the US Open to end right then. Well, it did. Yeah. Thank goodness. Andrew, thank you very much for allowing us to have this mini tennis relived. We also have Jen Amadeo Who is from Wilton, Connecticut What a name, Jen Right, Jen She's put in brackets like Amadeus Mozart Yes Which is rather excellent I watched the film Amadeus When I was really little At a music camp And it gave me nightmares Have you seen the film Amadeus? No, I remember it being advertised I was afraid to watch it as an adult because it gave me terrible nightmares. What was music camp?

1:22:45What did you play? Well, at the time I played the piano and I was in the early stages of the viola. I took up the viola with my friend Sarah Sue, who Matt has met in Dublin. At the same time that she took up violin. She is now a professional violinist. You took different pals. We took... Yeah, and our talent gap was quite clear from early on. And I was at music camp with Sarah, and she's got that thing, David, that you've got where she can just hear a tune and play it, which is the most extraordinary skill that I don't know why you don't talk about more. Yeah, and it very much felt like, oh, one of us belongs here and one of us should probably be at sport camp.

1:23:33And I couldn't be a professional whatever she is. But I appreciate the... Violinist, David. So, yeah, anyway, Jen. Jen says... Jen Brady. Yes. Jen says, I always feel like I'm spending time with my friends when I listen to this podcast. I'm hoping to finally meet you at the US Open this year. It seems like it should have happened already, but I'm determined to find you and say hello in September. Good idea, Jen. David is very easy to spot. Yeah. I just hang about in case people find me. It's great. He has actually been known to do that. Yeah. Thank you, Jen. See you in New York. And finally, we have Debbie Goldstein from Israel.

1:24:23Hello, Debbie. Hi, Debbie. and we met Debbie, David and I did at Wimbledon this year Debbie was part of the Barger meet up on the hill and Debbie says being there for the first time after so many years of only watching on TV was truly a dream come true I met so many fellow Bargers as well as Matt and David in person I'm still hoping to meet Catherine unfortunately we weren't allowed in on time before the pod started. Still, I had a lovely chat with Catherine's father, which made the day even more memorable. That's better than meeting me, Debbie, meeting the captain. Oh, that's so lovely. There's been some incredible Rachel Barge birthday content this week.

1:25:15I mean, she's birthdaying like Hilton John, Rachel. Go on, Rachel. It's incredible. Yeah, there's been some lovely, wholesome barge, but barges celebrating Rachel and her birthday. And she was at the barge meetup at Wimbledon as well, wasn't she? It's very heartwarming stuff. So thank you, Debbie, for being a part of that community. It's very, very special to us. Debbie, Andrew and Jen, thank you very much for being friends of the Tennis Podcast. If you'd like to become a friend of the pod, then the link to do that is in our show notes. We are part of the Athletic Podcast Network. Our next show is Friday and it is live on YouTube at 8pm UK time.

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Catherine, David and Matt catch up on the weekend’s action in Canada with Toronto and Montreal both at the quarter-finals stage. 

Part one (00:00 - 15:07) Before we get to Canada, we start with the disappointing news that Jannik Sinner has withdrawn from Cincinnati due to a knee injury. How concerning is this? And what could it mean for the US Open? 

Part two (15:08 - 49:22) WTA Toronto. There’s chat about Aryna Sabalenka’s slump continuing, the challenge facing Ekaterina Alexandrova as she attempts to back up that win against Elina Svitolina, an unconvincing display from Elena Rybakina as she looks to close the gap to World No.1, a remarkable turnaround from Iga Swiatek to beat Marta Kostyuk, Alexandra Eala finally hitting the wall, and impressive performances from both Coco Gauff and Naomi Osaka. 

Part three (49:23 - 1:26:11) ATP Montreal. A last eight made up entirely of players born in the 2000s, the most enticing match up sees Arthur Fils go up against Rafael Jodar. We discuss Fils lighting it up against Cameron Norrie, Jodar’s destructive return of serve, and what might happen in that one. Plus, there’s a review of Ben Shelton beating Joao Fonseca, Brandon Nakashima’s quiet run of form since hiring Wayne Ferreira, and predictions. 

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