French Open Day 8 - Kostyuk and stress send Swiatek packing

33:36He was making Hodder look as green as he kind of is. I didn't see the latter part and not, I mean, I saw it on the screen and I think he was probably growing in confidence as Karina Buster's battery started to drain and he had a bit of a shoulder problem too. but I just think if he's got the energy somewhere in the reserves, he's going to have to come out firing in this next match because I think that game can hurt Zverev. Yeah, do you think that being the underdog might help him do that? Yeah, I think it might. It's an interesting point, isn't it? Actually, what I do think he's done, Catherine, we have these big doubts about him over the distance.

34:21He's just come through two or five sets. I wasn't expecting that. You know, he showed real grit. But to answer your question, yes, it must be very strange. A year ago... I had not heard of him. No, I've barely heard of him. I don't think I even had. I heard of him during our Fantasy League team selections at the start of this year when Hannah, Mystic Meg Hannah, popped up and said, with her last remaining pennies, while I was shopping for Daphne Pesci Perry car, Hannah popped up and snapped up. Could you have afforded him? Not quite. I couldn't even have afforded Raphael Hodder. Before he was Raphael Hodder.

35:02No, no, that's why I was shopping for Daphne Pesci Berry card, David. Okay, all right. I won't tell you how well I'm doing in the fancy, but it's going on. Hannah knew things. Yeah. And, like, I feel so caught off guard by Hodder. Yeah, me too. And I think part of it is not only has he arrived and been really impressive, it's the consistency that I think is throwing me off the most. We see players arrive and they'll have this peak and then they'll disappear and then they might rise again before they get steady. He's made the quarterfinals of every event he's played on the clay this season, which is just not something that players who are new and green and fresh really do.

35:49Like, it's absolutely remarkable. And, yeah, I feel very caught off guard by him. I feel a bit ambushed by Hodah. Yeah, whereas Alcaraz, Matt had spotted him as a 13-year-old and was waiting for his talent spotting to come to fruition so he could be smug. He's having the opposite experience with Hodah and he's all at sea. If it's not me talent spotting, someone always has. You know, like someone had picked out Fonseca. We knew about him. Well, he was at college, wasn't he? He was in an incubation pod. These players do emerge. I mean, he didn't complete his degree, did he? But when they're in college, they're sort of...

36:26I know people that are really following that scene closely will have known about him, but it is like they're incubating and then released like a fully formed butterfly onto the tennis scene. rather than players that come through juniors and we see their names in the junior draws at slams and we see their name pop up in the WhatsApp group because they're coming to press. That's my explanation anyway. Matt Roberts, not a Hodder guy because he didn't count spot him. Is that what it is? I promise it's not, but I know I have made it sound like that. In the week he gets his Spanish passport, he's decided not to be a Hodder guy.

37:06Landolufé, I'm all in. what percentage chance do you give Hodder in that match probably 35 maybe no not 35 I would say yeah I do think there's a scenario where he can come out and hurt Zverev I think he's got the game to do it but he's going to have to find the guy from a few weeks ago and he's going to have to play that to its extreme I am interested, though, by his grit. It's just whether... I mean, he might be completely empty in that match physically. Matt? Yeah, I'm pretty concerned about that element, and I suppose I would go slightly lower percentage than David, probably 20%, 25%, something like that, because I think Zverev can win this match in a couple of ways, whereas I think Hodder can only win it in one way which is playing the kind of tennis we saw before this tournament swinging, connecting, taking it to Zverev.

38:13I think Zverev can play the way he wants to or says he wants to which is a bit more aggressive or he can go into that lockdown mode and David talked about how effective Krenia Busta's backhand down the line is. I know someone else who's got a pretty good backhand down the line and that's Zverev. And I think he can absorb a lot of what Hodder will bring at him. It wouldn't shock me if Hodder comes out swinging and gets a set, you know, but I think it's so hard to put Zverev away over five and I think Hodder needed more in the tank than he's got and I think Zverev will win. It also wouldn't surprise me if Hodder came out like Ekob Menschik against Alex de Minoune, took a set to turn his body on.

39:01Right, also possible. Five points. Five points in a sense. But then roars back to win the next three. He wouldn't mind that. There's a lesson there for us all. It's still the weirdest match of the tournament. Still. It's been a weird tournament. It sure has. That's it for part one. We will be back in part two when all the fun of the night session has happened. And we'll look ahead to tomorrow's night session, which has a few surprises. Welcome back to today's tennis podcast on day eight of the French Open, where it is now close to one o 'clock in the morning. And we do now know the full quarterfinal line-up from today's halves of the draw, starting where we left off with the men and joining Alexander Zverev and Rafael Hodard in the last eight is a second 19-year-old, Joao Fonseca.

39:52He has just beaten former finalist here, Kasper Rood, on court Philippe Chetre, which is lying dormant just behind us here in spectacular fashion. 7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-2. Matt, the most spectacular tennis you've seen since the last time you watched Joel Fonseca play. That is exactly right. He is something else, isn't he? Very, very special. You know, we said the other day when he beat Nauad Djokovic, so that felt like a coming-of-age match. And watching him tonight trying to do the really hard thing of backing up the big win, I was left with that sense again of just how much that Djokovic match could well have been the making of him.

40:43We always say that clay is tennis's classroom. Well, to sort of stretch the analogy further, Djokovic is the head teacher. right and you can you can learn an awful lot against him and it just seems like Fonseca has and it just seems like he's got that mindset of well I've beaten Novak Djokovic on that stage very little is gonna phase me now and he was absolutely brilliant again tonight against Kasparud who I also thought was brilliant both of these players brought it was a spectacular occasion here on Chatrier tonight so much scintillating tennis between them and the end of the second set as Fonseca won this thrilling tie break was electrifying and then a flurry of shot making brilliance from Fonseca in the fourth set to stop it from going into five and to halt Casparud's momentum who'd taken the third, those are the two things that will live with me the most from this match it was wonderful I share all of those thoughts and feelings as much as there was so much spectacular about this match from both players, Casper Ruud was awesome tonight and he's got one set to show for it, that tells you a lot about what we're seeing from Joel Fonseca here but as much as this match was about this but spectacular.

42:20I think what will stay with me is, unsexy word here, but the resilience of Joel Fonseca. Two moments. The first one at the end of the second set when he celebrated winning the set before hearing the out call on the shot. And he was in a full body celebration. He did sort of manage to pull it back just at the last moment. But honestly, I just wouldn't recover from that. That would be game over for me right then and there. and he just head down onto the next one. The second thing was bouncing back from losing the third set that he had invested so much in. This was such a physical battle. It has made me feel so tired watching it.

43:06And the disappointment of losing a set that you've invested that much in to come back and break Kasparud immediately and put the foot on the pedal and win that deciding set 6-2. I didn't realise he was that guy, David. No, no. Not yet, anyway. That was the stuff of champions, really. To this point, until two sets to love down against Novak Djokovic, he'd stalled, really, in terms of clear progress publicly. I think he'd been working well behind the scenes to build some foundations, really. but his exciting stuff had come a couple of years ago and then maybe a year and a half ago. But this was champion-like quality today because it wasn't just shot-making.

43:58He's got good combinations. He's throwing in serve and volleys. He kind of finished it all off with an incredible lob volley, which was just delectable. I mean, it was the sort of thing that you'd see Alcaraz doing. There were moments where he was baiting Kasparud into errors, weren't there, which was so clever. Yeah, there was a bit of that between them, you know, because Rude was trying to work out, do I try and stand up to this and go and take the play away from him or do I try to get him to miss? And then, as you say, Fonseca turned that back on him. And really, I thought, looked the more likely to win the third set and win it in three.

44:39and the fact that he didn't and still won the match in quick fire style the next set i mean i think we're talking about somebody who yeah the coming of age thing against jokovic it's it's such an easy cliche to say but it feels like that i mean it i can't believe that this is a guy with two sets left down against dino prismich a couple of rounds ago he's obviously two sets down against Djokovic but he's been a different bloke since then and I mean the the last three the last two games in the tie break of the the second set I was commentating on them for BBC radio I was told that they lasted 51 minutes for two with the tie break yeah so I mean so two games plus tie break 51 minutes and and you know and multiple set points on either side and he comes out on top I mean, I think there are a couple of moments that Rude will think, my luck's just not in, you know, but even so.

45:41Yeah, everyone was tight, including that line judge on the baseline. He had a couple of calls very close to each other that I think were questionable. And yeah, those two holds a serve before the tie break, both of them showed a lot of strength of character in those moments. And it wasn't like every point was a winner. You know, there was a lot of like maybe a bit of overhitting or a poor decision, but they wouldn't let it get to them. They would follow it up with something incredibly special. And that was really special to witness. And yeah, like Rude in that moment was like the most electrifying player in the draw.

46:28he turned into Jimmy Connors, defending all the smashes and getting them back and getting them back. Peek Andy Murray on the defensive lobs. It was crazy. And then finishing it with a winner and then he hit a winner on the next point. Everyone was going mad for Kasparud. It was amazing. And then Fonseca, when he won that set, the guy in front of us here in the press seats screamed into his phone, sending a voice note, I'm guessing to someone back in Brazil about the Fonseca scenes he was witnessing. Like, I've thought this before about Fonseca, but he moves people in stadiums like you don't really see in tennis.

47:08You know, people hugging and high-fiving and emoting in a way that just isn't typical to a tennis crowd. It's very, very special. And, OK, I didn't quite have the energy of the Djokovic match. and it's a shame because it gets so late here and the stadium thins out a little bit. It wasn't packed at the end, but it was still a great atmosphere tonight and I've just never seen a Fonseca match that isn't. It's brilliant what he brings to tennis. All of it watched on from the front row of the president's box. When Fonseca was down that end, we're talking metres away, only a couple of metres away sometimes, by Gustavo Curtin.

47:54David, who was... You probably couldn't see because you were up here in the press seats for Matchpoint, but his eyes were wet. Yeah, they showed him on the big screen here, and it was very moving. It was very moving to see how much they mean to each other, how much the young pretender, the hopeful for the future, wants to be like this guy and loves the fact that he showed an interest in him when he was a junior here. And you can see Gustavo Kürten is just as lovely as you hope he will be. I've worked with him for a number of years at the ATP. I joined the ATP in 1998, the year after he'd won Roland Garros, in such surprising fashion.

48:40And we've got a tennis relived out there, if you ever want to go and listen to it, where I got to interview Guga about that run to the title. and he's such a lovely bloke. He's revered and loved without limits in Brazil. And you can tell that he thinks he's in the presence of something special here and he's loving it. And honestly, it's got a similar feel to 97. It does have because this is what Guga was doing to people. I don't know what he was in the world, 60-odd? 66 he was. 66 in the world. Had a similar round three was his massive win where people sat up and took notice. Thomas Mustard, who'd won it two years before and was at the time the fifth seed.

49:35Yeah, and the way he played the sport, there was a freedom about it. Whereas Mustard was trying to grind you into the dirt. I love it when you say that. But it's true. I mean, he took great pleasure in it. You know, he wanted to make you miserable. Curtin wanted to do the opposite. He wanted to make everybody smile with his shot making. And Fonseca in the post-match interview on court tonight, he said, you know, I'm just me. I just want to hit good, exciting shots and make everybody happy, you know, and entertain people. I mean, what a thing to say when you've just won. It's just so great. and yeah I mean you got you got giddy watching Guga at his in that first year wearing his his Brazilian colour shirt blue and yellow Deodora shirt back in the day and people still wear it watching Fonseca you know the exact replica of that shirt and and then he won it two more times on top of that but the first one because it just he was just such a new name I remember Guga telling telling me in that interview, you know, that he'd come over, I think, from the tournament in Hamburg and he'd got no form at all.

50:51And just like Fonseca has come into the, you know, and he's nearly been bounced out of the tournament, two sets of love down against Prism, it's playing like a drain, really, you know. And then suddenly he's just, he's back, he's here, and he's found it, and he's found it, and then some. Are we worried about his canister? or is he so young and, you know, it's a grand slam, so OK, it's best of five, but there's also a day off in between rounds and what the youngsters have over the older players, well, the biggest physical advantage, obviously there's an in-match physical advantage, but the recovery advantage is huge, isn't it?

51:31We're going to talk about Jakub Menchik in a moment, who seems to have the power to revive the dead. The undertaker. I'm talking about his own legs. Yeah, it makes me think a little bit of Carlos Alcaraz's run at the US Open in 2022 when he kept going five sets and they were very late five-set matches, weren't they, against Sinner and Tiafoe and he just kept coming back. And Alcaraz, I think, is a different level of physicality, even to Fonseca. But I agree with you. Like when you're 19, I think you can recover better between matches. I felt like he'd recovered better than Ruud from the last round tonight, Fonseca.

52:15And also, if he can get through the quarterfinal against Mensik, he then has two days off, you know, because that will be on Tuesday and the semifinal would then be on Friday. and I think well look I think that's massive for whoever wins out of Fonseca and Mensik especially if they end up playing Zverev in the semi-final they're going to need everything they've got and that extra day could be a difference maker I mean the good and bad news for him is that he's facing Jakub Mensik, a 20 year old in the next round who's played even more tennis than him he's played about all the tennis that has been available for a human man to play over the first week of Roland Garros.

53:00So that's sort of an advantage. The downside is that it doesn't even matter to Jakub Menchik. He was in a wheelchair four days ago. He's now in the Roland Garros quarter final. I mean, midway through this match tonight against Andrei Ryblev, he looked ready to get in a wheelchair. And then he's fresh as a daisy half an hour later. Like, honestly, his powers of revival are something else. He is tough to put away, David. Yeah, he is. It's really impressive. He is... He's earned a bit of a reputation of being somebody who doesn't have a tank to dip into. And he's faded badly in some longer matches.

53:44Well, I think... I said it the other day about Hodder and Landaluthe. You know, they're proving that they can go into the trenches and have a really physical succession of battles, and now Mensik's doing this. It's really big for their aura. I feel like that about Fonseca as well. Big year for Mensik, actually. So it was a breakthrough for him in Australia. That was his first major round of 16. This is his first major quarterfinal. He was another one that was accused a bit of stalling after he had that breakthrough winning Miami last year. Like, oh, why aren't you doing that week in, week out?

54:22But, you know, this is significant progress for him in 2026. I need just a moment to talk about his mum who was courtside. And actually, I thought for a lot of the time really kept her cool. She was sort of laughing and joking. But then there were also moments when I really felt for it. I do find it tough when the parents are courtside. But, yeah, in the end, relief for the Menchik family. So in two days' time, we'll get a 19-year-old against a 20-year-old in the Roland Garros quarterfinals. Fun. It's great. It's so interesting how the sport works and kind of not reinvents itself, but it comes again.

55:11it's it was so many blows and one after another before this tournament when our crowds was out and then art of feast obviously i'm talking about my favorites here in a way you know and and people that make me excited to watch and and obviously what happened to sinner and you know that these are blows on one level and yet round after round day after day it is it's had it's been revitalized It's had a new lease of life. And to see these young lads taking advantage and not just doing it through shot making, showing real grit and heart and the stuff that you need, I think it's exciting for the next few rounds and it's exciting for the future generally.

55:56Speaking of youngsters, Mira Androva, back in the role on Garros quarterfinal. She beat Jill Teichman, 6-3, 6-2, was excellent in this match, was Mira Andreeva, celebrated with a huge fist pump and roar in the direction of the Teichman support camp. The support camp stroke fan club stroke cheer squad that had not only seemed to have expanded in numbers from the previous round, but also have moved slightly closer to the court you know and I really thought that could bother Andrava you know especially on Longlen you know if this match had been on Chatrier they would have had less impact but on Longlen it's more intimate they're closer and they were doing their thing and Teichmann was doing her thing at the start of this match it was close but Andrava has a you know she's got way more game than Teichmann she's also better able to cope with Teichman's leftiness than Mukova was.

57:03You know, I talked about the Teichman forehand jumping up at the Mukova backhand, and Mukova wanted to slice a lot of those shots. Well, Andreeva's got one of the best two-handers in the game, and she dealt with that shot incredibly well. She's also got her own court craft. I think she deployed that pretty nicely, and she's got more power than Teichman, and all of it came together for a really, really nice performance. and yeah, it's a big win for Andreeva. She's been doing a lot of it, hasn't she? I think she's won the most matches on tour this season. Yeah, the winningest player. As they say.

57:38As some people say, yeah. And like the next step is trying to finish off one of these tournaments and, you know, she's right there because it's such an open tournament, especially in this half now with Shontek going out. Yeah, Saronica Steyer for her next, who's a really brilliant 2026. Her retirement season continues 6-1, 7-6 for her against Wong Ziyu. It's her third major quarterfinal in a 19-year career. It's her second here at Roland Garros and her first was in 2009. Would either of you like to submit a guess as to who she lost to in that 2009 quarterfinal?

58:292009. That was the Kuznetsova year. I'll go for... Oversafina, was it one of those?

58:43Dimensheva? Incorrect. Matt. Well, I don't know, so I will say one of Kuznetsov or Saffrona. No, this player then went on to lose to Kuznetsov in the semis. It was Sam Stoza. Wow. Yeah, very good Frank Schopen record. I mean, that is unreal, isn't it? Her last role on Gareth's quarterfinal in 2009. Yeah, that's crazy. She says she's not changing on her retirement decision, but she also said she hasn't given it any thought at all. She's leaving a sliver of window open, I would say, as is her right. Absolutely. You go for it, Serana. So Andreva Castella will be our second women's quarterfinal in a couple of days' time.

59:30That is it for part two. Join us in part three, though, for an intriguing order of play to run through for day nine. Welcome back to part three of today's podcast. very quick cursory awarding of Musquetaire of the Day just for the sake of consistency we scrolled very deep through the results of today and we found an Edouard Roger Vasselin well done Edouard who won a round two mixed doubles match with Laura Siegmund and I think we can all agree that that is heroic worthy of a prize on all fronts so Edouard Roger Vasselin is our Musquetaire of the Day congratulations now Big moment at about 2pm this afternoon in the press room, I'm sure elsewhere as well, when the order of play dropped for tomorrow.

1:00:19Day nine of the French Open. Philippe Châtrier looks like this. Opening the day session, Flavio Caboli against Zachary Schweider. Second on, Maja Kvalinska up against Diane Parry, the last French player standing. Third on, Félix Auger-Eliassime against Alejandro Tabilo, which means in the night session, not before 8.15, is Irina Sabalenka against Naomi Osaka. this tournament has had 33 night sessions in a row a match that is billed as the match of the day across three years and they have featured no women

1:01:08saying it out loud makes it even worse yeah and like I thought they had got to a point where they were only picking men's matches because of quote-unquote length because it's only one match and you're guaranteed at least three sets if there's no injury in a men's match and they thought that that was the way to do this night session. What they've done here by scheduling Osaka Sabalenka in this slot is showing that actually it's not necessarily just about length of match. They can put women in there and they've been actively choosing not to for 33 straight matches. And it's taken a lot of men going out of this tournament for them to think, oh, maybe let's put some women on.

1:02:08And they've been choosing over the last three years not to have women in this slot, even though they very, very much could have done it. It really tells you quite a lot, I think. Yeah, it feels like they've exposed themselves. Yeah. I think it's a catastrophic PR misstep. If I was the tournament or Amelie Maresmo's PR or comms person, I would say stick to the line of, you know... Length. Length. Stick to that. I know she's never explicitly said that's our policy, but it's been implied and we've sort of... She's talked about it in press conferences in answers to questions. We've assumed for the last 33 night sessions that that is at least the fig leaf that they're hiding behind as justification.

1:03:02I mean, I don't believe that, but I believe it is, you know, what they tell themselves to sleep at night. They've totally blown it out of the water. I think this is, I mean, obviously it doesn't matter because they don't care. That much is true. But I think this is, yeah, exposing is exactly the right word. They have been making qualitative decisions every day for 33 days and decided that not one women's match across 33 days and three years is worthy of being the headline match of the day. It's disgraceful. yeah i think one of the one of the issues with i totally take your point about it being a pr misstep in terms of logic there is that you're you've got a logic fail based on what your argument is uh about why you've been doing this you've just provided the complete counter to it um i just don't i don't think enough interest is around here to to to challenge it i i think the international media will, as they have done for the last four years of which we've been part.

1:04:15But I don't think locally they do challenge it. Yeah, you're right. I don't think they're thinking, oh, God, we're going to get pelters for this. We might be exposed. I just don't think they worry about that clearly. I think Emily Merezmo probably is anxious about the prospect of the press conference. I don't think she likes seeing us particularly, does she, in that press conference. but once she gets that over with I think everybody goes back to not worrying about it too much I think they'll give themselves a big pat on the back a big seat we'll put a women's match on, you're happy now? no, you're still not happy?

1:04:50it'll be something like that, would be my guess absolutely Longlen tomorrow we have Potopova Kalinskaya first up, Madison Keyes big chat in the group chat today about whether she's a dormant volcano You know, the adjudication is Matt? Yes. Madison Keys, officially Dormant Volcano. She takes on Deanna Schneider tomorrow. Juan Manuel Sarundolo against Matteo Bertini, third on. And fourth on, Tiafoe against Arnaldi. Hopefully, there's some French players in doubles tomorrow so that we have... Oh, sorry. That was Deanne Parry erasure there. If Deanne Parry doesn't win, hopefully, there's some French players in doubles.

1:05:31In fact, I can see that there are two French teams playing against one another on Simone Mature tomorrow. So we're guaranteed to have Muscataire of the Day contenders. Phew. Apologies, Diane Parry. Hello to Bashir, our lovely mascot today, who is really channeling my current feelings with a massive yawn in this photo that I'm looking at. Elise says, we always bounce back. Actually, I don't know if it's Vicky saying that or Elise or maybe Bashir. Either way, they're right. We bounce back, folks. That's the story of a Grand Slam tournament. Hello to our mascots, Bodhi, Maisie and Roger. Hello to our top folks and executive producers, Greg, Chris and Jeff.

1:06:17Matt, let's have some shout-outs. We have Leslie Giannelli. Oh. Hi, Leslie. Hi, Leslie. That's a slightly Italian flavour. Makes me think of the man behind me in the press room earlier that after a particularly extravagant rally between Rude and Fonseca, actually shouted, Mama Mia! That's perfectly fitting. Was it the same man who has the Star Wars theme tune as his... It wasn't. I love that. As his phone ringtone. On full volume. Full volume. In a workroom. It's so funny. And sometimes leaves his phone at the desk. Yeah. So it just goes on until someone stops it. And let me tell you, It's not like a fun inside joke that he chuckles at every time it happens.

1:07:05We do. Totally straight face. Yeah. Everybody else in the room is looking at one another, cracking up or furious, depending on what their state of mind is at the time. And he's just straight faced answering his phone. Like Leslie Allen. Like Leslie Allen, the lovely former tennis player. And Leslie Bowery. Yeah. Leslie's are actually big on the show, aren't they? because Leslie Allen has been on the show before. That's right. And Leslie Bowery has spiritually been on the show. Yeah, absolutely. Always with us in Australia. Always. Yes, she is the statue at the Australian Open where we recorded our emergency Serena Williams has just lost podcast about seven years ago.

1:07:51When David was trying to make two podcasts in one day happen. Yeah, didn't really take off. We did it at once. Yeah, I nipped that in the pot. It's where we had a friends meet-up this year, wasn't it? Yeah. We met at Leslie Bowery. Very good times. Thank you, Leslie. We also have Kedar Nagarajan. Hello, Kedar. Hey, Kedar. Who is from Bangalore but lives in New York. Oh. And Kedar says, I've been a long-time listener. I started about 10 or 12 episodes before Matt's debut. Wow. That is going back We're talking eight years now Matt you've been doing this It's good isn't it He might have thought we were introducing Fresh Blood every ten episodes And you were part of a revolving door How many would we have We'd fill this press box if we had them What I'm wondering is whether he means my Proper debut Or the Karen Hashanow takes Exactly What was your proper debut?

1:08:56I did about 10 minutes on a US Open pod in 2017. You did. You were rubbish, though. So we didn't let you on from the market. Diehards are scrabbling back through the archive now to find that. I can't remember which day it was. Yeah, the real OGs, remember that one? There's actually, for people that have been listening a while, there's a real treat on our Instagram at the moment. Just head to our stories. Sorry, Matt. That's all right Sound on Introduce it to a new audience Sound on Go to our Insta stories And finally we have Sarah Brody from Durham But living in Sydney, Australia That's where Matt was living when we first met him Was indeed Durham For that 2017 debut Not Sydney Unlike Naomi Brody Very good And like Sarah Borwell And Sarah Gomer and our Sarah has a lovely message which I will read lovely note to end on I think Sarah says huge thank you to my sister Katie for a shout out gift and to my mum Maggie the one who brought tennis into our lives in the first place our tennis obsessed mum used to take us to camp out for tickets at Wimbledon back when the queue meant erecting a tent on the pavement at seven years old I genuinely thought that was what camping was and honestly it felt worth it when the reward was being completely swept up in the magic of centre court.

1:10:31Since then tennis has lived rent free in my soul. There's nothing quite like it. Well, that's perfection. Thank you Sarah, that's a very beautiful note to end on. Thank you Kedar, thank you Leslie, we're part of the Athletic Podcast Network we'll be back tomorrow Thank you for listening.