Live from Wimbledon Day 14 - Sinner seizes second title

0:10Hello and welcome to the tennis podcast live from Wimbledon and presented by Barclays, the official banking partner of Wimbledon. This is our 17th and final day broadcasting live here from the Wimbledon roof, pretty much our favourite place in the sporting world. It'll be very sad for us to say goodbye to this spot for another 50 weeks but boy are we going to make the most of the next hour talking about Yannick Sinner and his 6-7, 7-6, 6-3, 6-4 victory over Alexander Zverev in three hours and 46 minutes. Did you enjoy that David? I really did. I really did. It's you know it I've heard a few people say if this was what the 90s were like I don't like it after the first two sets when they were to defend the 90s yes i am i mean there were what i think there were the two break points in the whole of the first two sets something like that and you know zverev didn't break serve in the entire match and yet he played a very good match and kept it incredibly close um but i re i found the whole thing quite riveting because they were certainly that is the best I've ever seen him play that first two sets and Sinner Sinner played bloody well as well I think Sinner probably has other levels that he could have even played if he's at his absolute peak all the way through but you also have to say part of that is because the opponent is stopping him playing and yeah I just found it really fascinating watching Sinner being pushed into those sort of waters by somebody else in a big grand slam final.

1:58You know, I felt like his reaction at the end, the way he fell on his back and he put his hands on his face, you could tell how much that had taken from him to achieve. And yeah, I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the final. I thought it was a very good final. I think Zverev came out and he played the way that everybody's been telling him to play for years. And the pennies dropped. He was good to his word. He has improved his game. He did all the things. He can have no regrets, I don't think, but he was beaten by a better player, a better champion in the end. And that's really all there is to it.

2:33How much, David, of your enjoyment came from the fact that you called this pretty perfectly? Splitting the first two sets, fair of winning a tie break, and then Sinner going from there. I did think those two first sets could both be tie breaks, and then he would sprint away. Be honest with us now. Was there more jeopardy than you expected in this match? It felt like there was more jeopardy than I was expecting to feel. Like, if you'd have shown me that scoreline, that's kind of what I expected it to be. But I didn't expect it to feel as on the edge as it did. Because I didn't really think Zverev would play that well.

3:12You know, not that well that long. And worry Sinner the way he worried him. you know I think Sinner played pretty well in the first set and he didn't win it and when do you when do you find him in that position it's not very often um so yeah funny funny that really given that that's kind of the scoreline I expected but it didn't feel quite like I thought it would feel yeah I don't think I got back to the uh media center after the first set I've been in the press seats on center court for the first set and I was like wow we may have like a game changer in men's tennis if Zverev's going to keep hitting his forehand like that yeah because that was a level I don't think I've ever seen from him before potentially like he hit one or two down the stretch against Alcaraz in the fifth set in Australia which just took my breath away but this was back to the wall moments exactly they were desperation yeah and he was hanging on physically this was a a signal of intent on the forehand i don't think he's ever played with or come out in a big match with because he wasn't always making them in the first set he was pulling the trigger and sometimes they were going long but he was accepting that and not reverting to type in the first set and he kept going for it and his strike was was bigger than sinners in that first set he was knocking him back he was taking charge and then there was ended up in this tie break which was largely a serving contest.

4:42I think 13 of 16 first serves were made in that tie break and there was a lot of aces. And Zverev came out on top with a huge forehand winner that he exploded into. And I was, like, rocked. I was shook coming back. I was thinking, Sinner has got his hands full here because if Zverev's playing like that, he is going to be so hard to stop. Do you think Sinner was shocked? because usually there's a very clear way to play against Zverev, isn't there? There's some way you want to avoid the backhand and there's some way you want to go and try and break down and that's the forehand and that felt like it was off the table for two sets today.

5:22I don't know. I mean, he stayed calm. He didn't look really shocked to me and I think we've been talking about the Zverev forehand, haven't we? And he has been hitting it like this through a lot of this tournament. It's just that doing it in this match on this stage was what was shocking to me. But Sinner, I suspect, was ready for it as a possibility because he would have seen how Zvere has been playing. And maybe thinking, OK, can you keep this up? Yeah, the old Djokovic trick. OK, you've done it for one set, but now do it for four more. Yeah. I mean, it did drop off the forehand, didn't it? It was almost like when somebody's trying to rewrite their DNA, something that is so deeply imprinted, when you get tired and things get ragged, it's like the spell wears off, doesn't it?

6:16And the forehand did start to get a bit shonky and a bit defensive and started dropping short. I can understand why that happened, but there was a decline in it over the course of that third and fourth set. I think the thing is, I think it's probably impossible to keep it up for really long periods of time to hit that hard, that aggressively, that frequently. And my mind, I wrote down after the first set a memory of mine in the Roddy-Confedera rivalry. And two different ones came to mind. The first one that came to my mind was in 2007 at the US Open. and they played each other in the quarterfinals.

7:03And already Roddick was 13-1 down in the head-to-head. And the previous year he'd reached the final against Federer. They'd split the first two sets, then he'd lost in four. And he'd got Jimmy Connors in his corner. And Connors had clearly sent him out like a prize fighter to try to knock his block off, you know, and to just go out there swinging from ball one. And every serve was 140. and every forehand was hit as hard as he possibly could. And he was awesome that night, Roddick. And he lost the first two sets on tie breaks. And then the third set, he'd gone. He lost the third one 6-2. And that's how well Federer played.

7:44And it had a similar sort of feel to me. Zverev just went out there and it was almost as though he wasn't just trying to win the title, he was trying to prove that he can back this style up, that he's promised he would bring. And do you think he did prove that despite the result? I do. And I think he proved it can hurt. I think he proved, I mean, he did a hell of a lot more against Sinner tonight than he's done, I think, ever before. Certainly to this version of Sinner. I mean, we won't know until he comes into press and, you know, who knows what to make of whatever he ends up saying in press.

8:24for you did the slip that Zverev had in the third set did that affect him I mean which it looked bad at the time and obviously it was quite dramatic Yannick Sinner coming coming down the other end of the court to check that he was okay and he was grimacing a lot he got up then very quickly and then the replays that I saw it wasn't like the Sinner one which looked way worse in slow motion than it did in real time this one actually looked okay to me in slow motion and he did get up and seemed fine but it was quite dramatic in the moment it definitely changed the match because of the point that it happened it was on his break point and yeah you know that's right it's the first time he got break point all match and this rally develops and sinner takes the backhand line and then has sort of all the options he could possibly want to hit and he plays the drop shot and it catches fair about and he slips and he and he saves the break point there sinner and holds so it definitely was a big moment in call in terms of the scoreline because you know if Zverev breaks there and I think that's why that's why to me there was sort of maybe more jeopardy in this match than I was expecting because even in even sort of deep in the third set as we were there if Zverev gets the break he's he's a couple of holds away from going two sets to one up so there was jeopardy in this match so I definitely think it made a big difference on the scoreline I also think it did affect Zverev a little bit in the next game when he then got broken having not converted his break point with that slip.

9:57And ironically broken with a point during which Yannick Sinner slipped. Yes absolutely. Slipped mid-rally got up still won the point. And he did that a few times in the match unreal you could probably create a little highlights reel of Yannick Sinner falling over and still winning points. and that was the crucial moment of the match because not only did Sinner save that break point and then break Zverev in that game we saw the first signs I thought of a reversion to type in terms of attitude because it was at the end of that game that he was quite lucky not to get a warning he he swiped his his racket away sort of into the into the grass towards the back of the court in pure frustration he'd been 40 15 up in the game and he'd lost there was a double fault in there he he lost his head i thought that was a straight warning in the room i think he gets a sizable fine post championships for that yeah yeah you know so and then sinner had a comfortable hold and wins the set and suddenly he's gone from being in real peril sinner break point down to saving that, breaking him, holding, winning the set.

11:09Zverev's attitudes turned and it just changed everything that moment. So yeah, I think if I had to pick a point, I probably would say that drop shot to save the break point and the slip that followed. Because I think it rocked Zverev for just even five or ten minutes. Can we talk about the second set tie break that Yannick Sinner played? I would say it was one millimetre away from the perfect tie break. had that lob gone in and in the moment I thought it had gone in and certainly the bloke the Italian bloke behind me thought it had gone in not his most professional moment but I understand he made quite the noise um but had that gone in and it was the most improbable improbable shot it wasn't an error that it didn't but I think that might have been the perfect type he suddenly found all the returns that he'd been looking for for two sets at exactly the time when he most needed him.

12:03Yeah, that was a reminder of the kind of chasm between them, really, most of the time or at least the last nine times they've played, that even when Zverev's sending down 135 plus mile an hour serves time after time Sin is just dealing with them and turning the pace back on him and putting him in horrible positions and just outplaying him because bottom line is Sin's top level is higher and he proved that in that tyre break um i it's it's interesting i i'm sure the look that you do a fall like that it shakes you up maybe he's injured i don't know like properly injured uh zverev but it really the two sets that followed were the ones that i expected you know i think he can only play at that level for a certain amount of time and look he'd have beaten virtually everybody in the world today but you've also got to beat this guy he's an new number two, new world number two, Zverev.

13:04Feels it, doesn't he? I mean, obviously with Alcaraz out. I mean, is this, you know, we've been talking about who's going to be the third guy? Who's going to be the third guy? Maybe he was there all along? Well, he certainly forced his way up now to have to be thought of really in a different way. I talked about him in Tsitsipas yesterday and the way they've just diverged as tennis players. but I'm also interested to see Zverev at the US Open because he spoke at the end of his match with Felix Auger Lassim last year as saying that he never had feel with the ball and the conditions there at all during that tournament and I know he's reached the final before and he nearly won it several years ago but I never feel like he's that comfortable there he hasn't looked it to me a lot of the time anyway so that's his next challenge isn't it?

13:58Would we think of the deployment of variety from Yannick Sinner today? There was quite a lot of drop shotting. Yes, I thought particularly as the match went on, he started using it a lot more and, yeah, effective, I thought, generally. Didn't always win the point, but actually came up with a huge one in the first set tie break that he did win the point on to save set point. He didn't go on to win that tie break, but that was kind of the first one that he played where I thought, wow okay that that's really worked there uh but yeah he's it's just a helpful helpful string to his bow isn't it to to break up the rhythm that that Zverev was in get Zverev moving forward and yes I liked it and I liked generally Sinner's defense along the baseline I mean there were some moments particularly there was some moments down the stretch where he was you know all of the skiing he's ever done felt like it was really paying off he was sliding into those shots nullifying what's like his legs are gonna snap and they somehow don't and they and he somehow hits these aggressive shots from those positions it's extraordinary and there was a there was there was one of those in the uh game that he broke in in the in the final set to go up four three massive roar after this electric rally that Sinner actually ended up winning up at the net, having done some of that sliding defence at the baseline.

15:25And it was the kind of rally and the kind of noise that reminded me of last year's final, where I felt like they had a lot of points, Sinner and Alcaraz, where that movement was needed. It was needed less today because of Zverev's game style. There was this huge sense of threat constantly from Zverev, but there weren't as many out-of-your-seat points because Zverev's not Alcaraz. But that one there really was, and it was crucial. And that return game that Sinner played to go up 4-3 in the fourth set was unbelievable. Like, he was so locked in, returns on the baseline. It was brilliant. And then the final game was full of variety and shot-making and excitement as well, as Zverev had one last push to try and throw everything at him and got to 15-30.

16:16But Sinner found the first serve and he found the big forehand. And so it was the mixture. It was using the variety at times, but also falling back on the game that he's honed and developed over many more years and the movement and the improved serve and the relentless ground strokes. He's got it all and he needed it all today because Zverev was really good. And if Sinner had been more off his game than this, he could well have been pushed into those deep waters of extending to five sets and the roof coming on. And there was a world today where that could have happened. And he would have found it a lot harder, I think, to get out of this match.

17:05But he raised his game to a really high level, I thought. Yeah, it's kind of like big picture. he does want to win a match over three hours and 48 minutes, right? But he also doesn't want to be getting involved in matches over three hours and 48 minutes. It did tickle me that this one was three hours 46. Like he could have won Wimbledon and just slightly upped his apparent current threshold, which I know we don't believe in, but that stat is going to hang over him while it remains true. I think, I mean, it was being quoted on Five Live a lot. Yes, it was. As was the kind of deadline for the roof.

17:44I did think the forehand didn't entirely convince me from Synergy in this match. It improved. At the start. In the start. I mean, see, this is where I feel like he could have won it more easily, is there were a couple of moments where I'm thinking he's got him right where he wants him, off balance with a shot to put away and then he made an error on the forehand. It happened several times. So I think there's still, it's hard to believe, isn't it? The guy's just won Wimbledon and there's still some tweaks to make. I mean, it is also hard to believe that we're saying Sinner didn't quite play his best, which I do think is true.

18:30Zverev played one of the matches of his life and Zverev didn't break Sinner today. still hasn't broken him all year right yeah no and that's that's why it's going to be a fascinating situation for zverev and his team coming out of this to to try and take positives from it because you know there is a world where you can you can spin what's happened here quite negatively for him because you've played done as well as you can yeah and you still haven't won and you still haven't broken his serve you're a grand slam champion you've you've been released yeah from your nerves and it still hasn't happened and again i the other the other federer roddick one i had in my mind was 2004 where again roddick absolutely brought it to federer and federer didn't play very well and found himself luckily at one set all rain came and then he turned it around and served and volleyed a lot more and won the match in four sets but you know imagine how that would make you feel when you played your best and the other guy's been off and that's kind of what happened a bit here and and I think there's also a comparison we were talking about this with Charlie Eccleshire with Andy Murray in early days Lendl when Murray came out of that Australian Open in 2012 having played a brilliant match at that point maybe one of the best matches of his career but lost it against Novak Djokovic in the semi-finals but he'd done the things that everyone had been wanting him to do for years hitting the forehand in particular it was a similar thing to so similar I think yeah but didn't end up getting the win but Murray was able to use that as a tremendous positive he was also well two things younger than Zverev and also I think better you know I think Murray is is a better tennis player than Zverev and was was not as far away perhaps at that point in their careers as Zverev is right now from Sinu and Alcaraz.

20:35But that's the job that Zverev's got, to do what Murray did and take this defeat where he lost but he played the right way and try and draw something from it and take it as a positive rather than be left dispirited that he feels like he's done the thing and it still hasn't worked. Very hard thing to do though, I think. So the tournament that started with the bloody foot, ends with a Wimbledon trophy. The Nike marketing department, well, they've probably got it all ready to go, haven't they? But surely the bloody foot is going to feature in some sort of campaign. Well, it definitely feels like there are some parallels to last year in as much as he trailed that match two sets to one in the first round and he's won the tournament.

21:22And last year he was two sets to Love Downing and Skrigor Dimitrov. Okay, in that one he got lucky. poor old Grigor got injured sitting on the tournament you know and I always cite one of the great wins of Novak Djokovic's career to me was when he won here in 2015 having lost the French Open final to Stan Wawrinka and he was going for his his career slam that bounced back you know like he he kind of had that French Open and then Wawrinka just ripped it from him and And for him to then win the next slam, I thought was this incredible feat. And Sinner has done that two years in a row now in terms of like heartbreak at the French Open, different to what Djokovic had, but arguably worse, more affecting in terms of having the match points last year and not winning.

22:14And then this year being a game away from victory and not managing to win against Sarundalo and his body letting him down. we know all about it for him to have come back from both of those French Opens and won the next Grand Slam with the hardest turnaround in tennis in terms of the surface change and the small amount of time you had it's a remarkable feat Tells you a lot about him Absolutely I think it was I mean it was a lovely speech from Sinner his thanking the ball kids at the end and specifically referencing the heat it was like I know how hard it is to do your job in a heat wave well done for managing it it was really nice he also um he said he had clocked his mum having to leave a couple of times oh wow halfway through the match i think she does find it hard doesn't she they did they did well to be there i think they find it they do find it tough but it was that was a big celebration from from jannickson and we we've seen a few grand slam winning celebrations from him and that felt like kind of the most demonstrative to me yeah I think he he knew the significance of this if if he'd lost he wouldn't have held a grand slam title which would have been mad and very hard to get your head around but you know no no one of his quality wants to be going through a cycle of slams in the prime of their career and not winning at least one of them you know I think if he if he looks back on the last year he's probably still a little disappointed by his his slam total considering the dominance he'd had on on tour in that time but for him to get this one was was big and you know especially without Alcaraz here he's obviously shown he can win Wimbledon when Alcaraz is in the draw but he if he'd gone French Open and Wimbledon without Alcaraz and not cut into that lead that Alcaraz has on him in their little race.

24:13I mean, that would have been crazy. So this was an important one, I think, in the context of his career. There is so much Alcaraz-related chat in the chat. Like, the spectre of Alcaraz just looms over Yannick Sinner because they are a duo even when Alcaraz isn't here. and the Alcaraz situation does make it quite difficult to discuss the future and what now because so much depends on Alcaraz, right? Like the near future, maybe medium future picture of men's tennis feels so dependent right now on the progress of that wrist that has started hitting very soft forehands, but emphasis on very soft. Yes, absolutely.

25:04And I think there's two points to be made. One, when does Alcaraz come back? That's obviously the main sort of short-term one. Is it the US Open or do we not see him at a slam until next year with the Australian Open? But also... How does he come back? How does he come back? Does he come back and just pick up where he left off? Has he had to make some technical changes to the way he hits, I suspect his forehand, given it's the right wrist that's been affected. And is he even, I don't know, lacking confidence in it? Or is he a bit vulnerable, you know? Is he a bit scared of it? These are all possibilities.

25:46I don't know which way it's going to go. I think there's probably a wider assumption from the sort of more casual tennis fans, I suppose, that, oh, when Alcraz is back, it's all going to be exactly the same as what it was before. and maybe that will be the case. I certainly hope that Alcaraz can pick up where he left off but I think we have to consider a possibility that he's not full force straight away and it takes him a bit of time even when he's back on court to actually hit the heights and hit the forehand in the way that he would want to. So maybe Sinner's got a longer window without true Alcaraz.

26:27Do you think he wants Alcaraz to come back quickly? Do you think he misses him? Or do you think he's too ruthless for that? I think he... I don't know if it's as binary as that. I think he probably knows that he can take advantage and capitalise in this moment and that's good for him. But I'm sure he does miss him as well and miss their rivalry. I think he wants him to come back. I think he wants him to be all right. I think he likes him. And he doesn't like to see people injured and unhappy. But at the same time, what can he do about it? In the meantime, he's going to try and just win tennis matches.

27:05I think that's how he thinks. He's a nice lad, isn't he? Yeah. I do think he is. I think he's a really, really good guy, Yannick's in it. I think he's got a lovely way about him. What do we think Darren Cahill whispered in his ear? Oh, no, it was the other way around, wasn't it? Yannick whispered something in Darren Cahill's ear. Oh, really? I didn't see that. I was running up here. What do you think was being said? What did it look like to you as a vibe? I really don't know. They're quite mysterious, aren't they? Maybe it was, go on, stay another year. Well, yeah, I mean, there is... Just keep extending the contract.

27:42Yeah, it was supposed to end at the end of last year, wasn't it? But I don't... He loves it, Darren Cahill, I think. He loves it. Like, why would you leave that gig? I think he genuinely... I mean, obviously, you're coaching the world number one. It's going really well. that's great but I also think he has a real connection with him and enjoys it genuinely yeah definitely definitely no I think I think that they they think an awful lot of each other um and look okay it's a lot though you know I mean Cahill's he's getting on a bit you know I mean he's not an old man but it's a lot to to keep on the road and keep traveling you know I mean it's not a bad way to do it of course but you know he's he's taken time out before for for sort of burnout you know and I totally understand that I mean I've experienced it myself um but he just seemed to have a real kind of lease of life about him this the last um the last couple of times they've that they've got to this sort of stage you know he just he just seemed to be buzzing anything else to say about Yannick Sinner about this final about what it all means

28:55no not really I suppose I remember thinking last year that I had got like so confident that like Wimbledon was going to be Alcaraz's you know because we talked a lot about how his game worked on this surface and the variety that he brings but Sinner showed last year that he can absolutely handle the Alcaraz game on grass and now he's got a second Wimbledon as well they're like tied for Wimbledon's I think that's that's just going to be an interesting battleground going forward I think like who who out of them can end up kind of coming out on top at Wimbledon over the years because they both sort of play on the grass in slightly different ways but they've they've shown how their game works and yeah it's um it's just another fascinating part of their rivalry there were two hours and 54 minutes in this match before there was a break of serve david is that what the 90s were like yeah this was actually a lot more exciting than a lot of those matches to be quite honest with you because there were still really good rallies in this even though the serve was was dominant in the end you know and getting the upper hand and the server was winning the games there were still some really good rallies in this i mean you're saying this was better than the 90s yeah i'm sorry it was and i've got obviously i look on it fondly because that's when i fell in love with tennis and as much as i couldn't stand on dragacy at the time uh thank goodness for on dragacy for coming along in 1992 and actually showing that there was another way to do it you know i mean the truth is pretty much only he could do it courier came very close to copying him the next year uh reached the final But basically, the 90s used to be serve and volley, serve ace, serve return out of court.

30:40You know, you just did not have rallies like these two were having. And so, yeah, I can't complain. I can't complain. Better than the 90s, the highest compliment David Law can pay to a tennis match. Yeah, but I'm different now. So it wasn't as good as the 90s through my eyes. I love this, but that's when I fell in love. okay 94 was it 94 the absolute it was a terrible final but pete sampras won it and threw his record into the crowd and beat my pal goran even isovich which i didn't know he was going to be my pal at the time so i was delighted that goran lost and i've told him that and i was delighted for pete sampras um but uh you know it was a terrible terrible final we covered it in our worst grand slam finals all time i would never want to watch it back again i mean you know there were no rallies there were no rallies i think we did watch or we watched highlights didn't we for that show you're sitting there thinking people are just sort of going boom boom it's like nothing's happening yeah today was good like there was a lot of serve domination but those first two sets were incredibly high level yeah they really were like the sound of the ball popping off the string from both of them was take your breath away stuff.

31:58That was actually something that Agassi mentioned in commentary about how the sound of Sinner's shots changed in that second set tie break. Yeah, it did. It was like suddenly there's that cannon sound again and the real whack. Particularly on the turn. Conviction. The sound of conviction. Absolutely. Yannick Sinner, two-time Wimbledon champion. Some other results from today. The final day of Wimbledon 2026 to Kito Oda. Look, he was the favourite for this men's wheelchair singles final, but I'm not sure anyone saw this scoreline coming. 6-1, 6-1 over Alfie Hewitt today. Obviously, Hewitt got with Gordon Reid the win over Oda in the doubles yesterday.

32:43Oda partnering Gustav Fernandez. Oh, boy, did he turn that on its head today, Oda. It's his third Wimbledon singles trophy. his second in a row, and he will now be going for the Calendar Slam in New York. He already has the career Golden Slam. He'll be going for the Calendar Slam in New York this year. He broke his trophy, the Tiquito Oda. He arrived in the press conference, and the winners in the press conferences here, they always have the trophy on the desk, and it looks beautiful. It's also, there's a reason they call it the media theatre here. It is very theatrical and well-lit, and there's, you know, charisma-filled taquito odour with a wonky trophy in front of him.

33:26And he said, it looks like art now. It was a wonderful... That's a good rescue, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, I don't think there's anything he couldn't style out. No. I heard an interview on our Five Live coverage from Alfie Hewitt during the final coverage of the men's singles. And, oh God, that was a tough listen. You know, Alfie's a lovely fella. and he was asked, does it feel like Tiquito Oda is getting better? And he goes, oh, God, yeah. Yeah, I mean, really. He says, I feel like I'm actually adding little bits to my game, but, I mean, he's so young and he's getting so good. Yeah, it must be terrifying.

34:10Yeah, I have a feeling we might be saying we'll be going for the Canada Slam in New York more than once. Yeah, absolutely. 12 in a row I mean I'm about to say it again right now about someone else Niels Wink beat Sam Schroeder 6-1, 6-3 in the quad wheelchair singles final that is Wink's fifth slam in a row so he already holds all four but in New York he will be going for the calendar slam aged just 23 so lots of calendar slams in play in New York this year Yubi Kimmiji and Zhen Zhen Zhu beat Lu Zhaohui and Wang Ji Yang 6-4, 7-5 to win the women's wheelchair doubles title and in the women's doubles final played on centre court ahead of the men's singles final.

34:59There was a great crowd in for this. Amazing number of the Royal Box attendees showed up for this women's doubles final. Good on them. Christina Medenevich and Zhou Han Yu beat Luisa Stefani and Gabi Dabrowski 6375 very emotional speech from Christina Modenovic paying tribute to her brother and coach long time well lifelong brother long time coach and Modenovic by doing this becomes the first French woman to win Wimbledon in doubles since Simone Mathieu Simone Mathieu in 1937 wow it's wild isn't it that is amazing Matt loved that stat that came through earlier that's your stat so cool can't wait for Christina Medinovich's court and look they were they were awesome today Luisa Stefani did have her arm in well a contraption quite frankly it was it was more than a it was more than a round itch style sleeve looked like one she borrowed from Carla Zalcras yeah yeah it was I don't think they were quite at their best today they got off to such a rough start yeah they were five love down very quickly and got back into it but couldn't overcome did well to make a match of it at all but incredible achievement by Mnodinovic and Guo Han Yu in the boys singles 16 year old qualifier Jordan Lee had a comeback win over Cruz Hewitt son of former champion Leighton Hewitt, 4-6, 6-4, 7-5.

36:45He was a set down. He was a breakdown in the deciding set here. He broke Hewitt to win the title. Hewitt was displeased. I'll say. He's got a bit of his dad in him, hasn't he? What did he do? Well, he played a shocking game to lose the match. And he was losing his mind a bit. Which, you know, he's a 17-year-old kid. You know, I'm not coming for him. but yeah I think the stats showed that he only hit seven backhand unforced errors in the whole match but two of them were in the final game and there was a double fault in there as well he he plays very very quickly you know it feels like he's modeled his whole like vibe on court on Kyrgios he's got he's got the forehand that you know is clearly got some Kyrgios influence that In a very languid way, he steps up to the service line.

37:39He just gets up to the line, he bounces the ball in the same way and he just hits the serve very quick. I remember when he was younger, I remember him hanging around with Kyrgios a lot. Well, that is a shame to hear. I do remember that. And he was shuntering away to his box the whole time. It was very boys' singles. Where's Jordan Lee from? Jordan Lee is American and he was the youngest player in the field and he's won the thing. He qualified. I believe he is considered a real talent. I know that doesn't always mean a lot. It's very early days. This age group, I believe, for US men is very promising and he's considered to be the leader of them at the moment.

38:25Ben Shelton is a big believer in him. did you get a sense of his game at all or his physique he's quite small youngest in the field he's 16 I think turned 16 fairly recently so he looks like a boy but not only does Ben Shelton really rate him but he hits with him and practices with him that's pretty cool it's kind of he's his practice partner when he goes back home and trains And yes, there was another young American in the French Open final, Michael Antonius, just last month. So yeah, there's a couple of them there. Yeah, and everybody's been excited about Darwin Blanche for a while. He's had a few main draw wild cards, hasn't he?

39:16Which can be a bit of a poison chalice. But yeah, there's a few, there's a crop that are considered real prospects. It's a bit like the Fritz Paul... Who else is in that? A Pelka. A Pelka, Tiafoe. Came up with a Pelka before Tiafoe. I knew David would say Tiafoe. Didn't Tiafoe end up... Sorry, Pelka end up winning the boys' singles here many years ago? He won one. Tommy Paul won the French. Yes, I think Pelka did win here. They were contemporaries at the time. That would make sense. One last result. bring you from today the brian brothers won the men's invitational doubles for the fifth year in a row they're quite good still it'd be fascinating to stick them in the main draw how long how many years do you each think it will be before the bryans don't win the men's invitational doubles here because they're going to keep getting invited because they're members which i don't begrudge them but why their members and pam shriver isn't a member is baffling to me absolutely me too so they're going to keep getting invited in what year do they not win like 20 30 that is really far away well they'll get the thing is there's two age categories aren't there so they'll you know a lot more about this perhaps anyone on the planet Catherine then they'll become the youngest in the next age category so I think they could have more than a decade of winning in them when do they go back into the anti-doping pool and start trying to enter the mixed doubles at the US Open I certainly wouldn't rule that out although one of the Bryans was in Jordan Lee's box during the boys singles final, who could say which one if they're not holding a racket it's very tough to tell one last time We'll be closing in around 15 minutes.