Live from Wimbledon Day 3 - Raducanu's win of the year, but can she beat Sabalenka?

15:45Matt Roberts:Matt was quoted as people earlier, wasn't he, on BBC Radio? Some people. Some people are saying she could win this tournament.

15:53Catherine Whitaker:Look, I've been called worse. I've been called a random on the internet, maybe. oh I'm getting I'm getting excited and anxious in equal measure do you think she feels the same it's like Fulham's FA Cup draw this year I was like oh my god we've only got to beat Crystal Palace to get to Wembley and then we lost 3-0 at home like feels a bit like that Dalma Galfie in the third round Dalma Galfie for the second week

16:20David Law:Dalma Galfie is Crystal Palace yep

16:23Matt Roberts:Dalma Galfie beat Beatrice and Ajmeier today taking out a seed in straight sets She took out a Harriet Dart in round one. She's taken out a seed today. She's not to be underestimated, although that has already happened.

16:36David Law:Matt's already got this.

16:39Matt Roberts:People think she's winning the tournament. People equals Matt Roberts. Let's talk about Emma Raducani, shall we? Emma Raducani beat the 2023 Wimbledon champion today in straight sets on centre court. she beat Vondroshova 6-3, 6-3. It was an absolutely awesome performance from Raducanu. Vondroshova, look, this was not the Vondroshova that won Berlin. It was not the Vondroshova that played in her first round match to beat McCartney-Kessler, but that is Marquetta Vondroshova. You don't know which one of her is going to show up on any given day. And she has had a lot of injuries recently, and there's even more reason to not feel that she's particularly reliable at the moment.

17:25Matt Roberts:But all of that being said, Raducanu didn't give her an awful lot of chance to show up today. She was that good and that aggressive. It was the kind of step inside the court, take everything early game that won the US Open in 2021. That is not a prediction, but it's just nice to see her have the confidence to play that brand of tennis again, Matt. and you were watching it on centre court?

17:52Catherine Whitaker:I was, yeah. I was really impressed with Raducanu today. I think, yes, there was a lot of aggression. You know, when the ball was there, she was going after it, absolutely. The word that really came to mind to me to describe her game was variety. You know, I think she was mixing up her shots, you know, her pace, her height on the ball, her spin. And I think actually, you know, Vondroshofer had beaten her earlier in the year. So there's definitely, you know, a world where Vondroshofer can beat Raducanu clearly. But actually, I did think if Raducanu's playing well, it's not a bad matchup. Because the sorts of players that I really think Raducanu struggles against are when she's really struggling for weight of shot against them.

18:38Catherine Whitaker:And Vondroshofer's not that kind of player. She does have power when she really steps in. but it's not the way she plays. She's crafty. She's clever. And actually, Vondros was a little bit off her game and Raducanu was able to match that court craft herself. You know, she's got lovely hands on the grass. She gets down low to sort of pick up those backhands. She suits the grass. And that combination of variety and attack and just focus. She was so focused in this match, determined to win it in straight sets, I think. No hint of the back struggles that we were so worried about coming into this tournament.

19:13Catherine Whitaker:That's a really, really good sign. And I just think when she's not worried about weight of shot, Raducanu can kind of express herself and use the tools in her game. And she looked great out there. I thought she played really, really well. I was impressed. The crowd went with her, which was just fantastic to see. She got that sort of early evening slot on centre court, which is just such a nice time to play. The two matches before had only been straight set, so it wasn't really, really late. The roof wasn't on. It was just a nice vibe on centre court. And, yeah, she absolutely owned that place today.

19:49Catherine Whitaker:I thought she was excellent. The problem is the draw's falling apart and she's in a section where the world number one is right there. You know, like, there's definitely a world at this Wimbledon where Rande Karni can go on a run. Just not sure with this draw that that's what it is. But, you know, strange things are happening. to quote Des Lyonham from 1995 from our Wimbledon Relived show. So at this Wimbledon, I wouldn't rule anything out.

20:21David Law:Yeah, neither would I. Unfortunately for her, Sabalenka is the kind of player that she struggles against with that weight of shot. We've seen it against Jung Chin Wen at Queens recently. She was excellent in the first round. Raducanu, then she runs into Jung, who's just hitting the ball too hard for her, quite honestly. We've seen her get really obliterated by Igor Sviantek a couple of times this year. That having been said, I do think Wimbledon brings out the very best in Raducanu. We saw it in her first run in 2021. She reached the fourth round. She got big wins along the way. That was her first real introduction to her.

21:05David Law:It helped provide the platform for that run at the US Open that won her title. Last year I thought she had a couple of really good wins and honestly I still believe to this day had she not had that hoo-ha with Andy Murray and the mixed doubles I think she beats Lulu Sun and and and carries on in that draw. Lulu Sun was very good that day but even so that That's just what I feel. And I thought mostly, I watched quite a lot of this, albeit not in the stadium, I watched on the screen. I feel like Raducanu outplayed Vondressa today. And I don't think Vondressa was terrible at all. I thought she was okay.

21:50David Law:But I thought Raducanu, I do think you're right about the shape of shot as well works for Raducanu. Lefty forehand into her backhand. and how you haven't got Raducanu on the backhand list anymore is beyond me. So, you know, that's just my little...

22:06Catherine Whitaker:Wow, wasn't expecting to have beef with David.

22:09David Law:Well, I mean, it was exceptional today. All the backhands on my list are exceptional. Right, fine, OK. And it was aggressive and I just felt as though she's in a good place. It's just that what do you do when you get the sort of shock and awe of the Sabalenka game against you? Do you have an answer to that? I think she can win it. I think she's the underdog, but I don't feel as strongly as you that her chances are really limited. I think she plays above herself here. but then I still don't know what state of physically her back's going to be in for instance, she looked fine today but she looked fine at Queen's and then she was having treatments and having to have attention and so you just don't know

23:07Matt Roberts:Yeah, I I'm gutted for her that she's not in a different section of the draw honestly because I share your views about Emerita Karno at Wimbledon, how she played today, all of that analysis in a different section of the draw I'd be so high on her but I think she's relying on Sambalenka having a serious off day which can happen and has been happening but the weight of shot issue just feels like an immovable barrier for Emma Adekarno at the moment like recent history we've got enough data points of those sorts of matches now and I think it's something that can be worked on I already think she looks physically stronger than she did 12 months ago.

23:51Matt Roberts:I think I can see that difference. She looks more robust. She looks kind of like she has more power through the legs to me. Like that's not necessarily something that can't improve, but right at this moment there just is such a gap. But I'd love to see that be competitive. I'd love to.

24:11Catherine Whitaker:And it's quite an interesting environment to see Sabalenka in. That's true. coming up against the home favour off the back of all the fallout from the French Open, really. And look, I think Raducanu is not Coco Gough and probably not quite as able as Gough was to fully disrupt Sabalenka in the way that Gough did. But I think she probably can a bit. And with the crowd, that to me is an element of this match. I don't know if it's the decisive element, but it's part of it. I tend to think Sabalenka, you know, still only in the third round. She's not quite as sort of in that sort of pressure cooker environment as she is at the latter stages of tournaments where sometimes she comes unstuck.

25:03Catherine Whitaker:I think Raducanu will have moments and Sabalenka will find her level and just be too good. You know, we do see her do that. She's got a gear that most players in the world can't really live with. But, yeah, I'm fascinated by that part of the match too, I think.

25:22Matt Roberts:She served really well today, didn't she, Raducani, as well. That's huge for her. Yeah, she'll need that. 72 % first served. She'll need something like that in a couple of days' time. That'll be Friday evening, you would think, UK time. Good vibe.

25:38Catherine Whitaker:Yeah. And on the other side, she sucks. She could return her, Raducani. who actually leans on the ball on the backhand side. I love the Raducanu backhand. It's been on the list. And Sabalenka's serve can still sometimes be a little shaky. So, yeah, that's an interesting battleground as well.

25:58Matt Roberts:Today, a lesson learned for me. I broke the golden predictions rule. You did. I went near Marquette of Androshova.

26:05Catherine Whitaker:Don't do it.

26:07Matt Roberts:Don't do it. Do you remember you almost did it in Paris? Yeah, and you talked me out of it. And I talked you out of it like a good friend. You did.

26:11Catherine Whitaker:And I didn't do that.

26:13Matt Roberts:No.

26:13David Law:Good tactics, Matt.

26:16Matt Roberts:I tell you what, the predictions competition, our daily newsletter predictions competition, has potentially been more wild than actual Wimbledon 2025. Somebody took a lead on day one that was more points than won the whole competition at the French Open. Wild things are happening at Wimbledon 2025.

26:41Catherine Whitaker:Yeah, shout out Sophie Smith. We love Sophie. And she's only made two predictions so far. She missed one due to a withdrawal situation.

26:50Matt Roberts:Well, she didn't need that. And she's got both of them right.

26:52Catherine Whitaker:She's on 250 points. 190-something won the French Open. It's outrageous.

26:58Matt Roberts:I started the tournament with an incredible prediction, one of my best ever moments, and I got so eclipsed.

27:04David Law:I'm going to have to start going for Hail Mary.

27:07Matt Roberts:It's been lost in the shuffle. if you want to keep up with that and all the other hoo-ha that we have going on Matt's stat, incredible every day then subscribe to the newsletter it's free, the link is in the show notes we'll get the link on YouTube as well highly recommend that you do that Sabalenka incidentally today she beat Marie Buskova in two sets the first one was tight Marie Buskova served for that opening set David

27:34David Law:yeah and that's a couple of sets now that Sabalenka's played close because she had one in the first round as well, the second set of that. But she still looks... Well, she's a champion. You know, she comes up with the goods when she needs it. I still feel as though she's not quite where she will want to be if she's going to win this thing. And I am so interested to see whether Raducanu and the crowd can slightly destabilise her. I still wonder whether she's going to feel inhibited or a little bit anxious in that sort of environment. But yeah, she was comfortable enough. Buscovary is good though.

28:20David Law:You know, she pushed her close in that one set.

28:24Matt Roberts:Yeah, it's a great point about Sabalenka and that match-up in a couple of days' time. And what you say about Raducanu and how she elevates hugely here at Wimbledon. I mean, she elevates on grass in general because it suits her game. But she particularly elevates her at Wimbledon. And I feel like the brilliance of that and the fact that that shouldn't be taken for granted or taken as a given is kind of illustrated by what happened to Katie Bolter today. And what has happened to Katie Bolter a lot here. because, goodness me, she lost to Solana Sierra, 6-7, 6-2, 6-1, the world number 101. She's a lucky loser, 21-year-old from Argentina.

29:14Matt Roberts:Lost to Talia Gibson in the final round of qualies. I mean, she played an incredible match today. The story that's missing from all these upsets is how great the depth is in the sport. You've got to be on it to win. And people like Solana Sierra are absolute examples of that. And yet that is only half the story. Katie Bolter was extremely poor today. She was. That is the size of it. She kind of oscillated between putting the tennis player kind of management speak spin on it in press and also just admitting how completely gutted she is and how much soul searching she now has to do after it. But the fact is she doesn't rise to these occasions here at Wimbledon and she's so desperate to.

30:13Matt Roberts:Desperate to. And she just can't. And some players just can't. It's not a given. It's extremely hard to do.

30:22David Law:The thing is, you actually drew attention to it in the show after she beat Pallad Barossa and compared it to when she beat Karen Indoplishka and then came out against Harmony Tan and was really poor that day. Harmony Tan was good, but Katie was terrible by her standards. And today she sort of fought through that first set and when she won it on a tie break, She sort of punched the air in it. She just scored a goal. And I wonder whether that would sort of lift the shackles, really. Because she played well in the previous round against Bedossa. And I wonder whether the common thread here is the difference in expectation based on who you're playing.

31:06David Law:No pressure against Pliskova and Bedossa. Players that are top ten in the world and she just goes out and she's hitting freely. we saw it against Harriet Dart last year one of the worst matches I've seen at Wimbledon and really things were opening up nicely for Bolter if she'd have won that, she's a better player than Harriet Dart and she lost that match when you looked at this draw today she would have been playing against Christina Buxer in the next round, not Donna Vekic, we'll come on to that I'm not trying to disrespect Buxer on paper, that's a great draw to reach your first last 16 and she just couldn't get it together today i i feel terribly sorry for it must be awful yeah and look she's got plenty of plenty of years less left in the game if she wants them but she's not 21 no these there is a there is a finite number of

32:04Matt Roberts:wimbledons for her and she'll she'll be aware of that and that's one that's one gone and that's That's just a tough pill to swallow. That's the brutality of the sport. And I feel like the same will be true of Donna Beckett. She's a couple of years older than Katie Bolter. Again, has many years left if she wants them. But these prime years, they're fleeting and finite. And you don't know when they're going to go. And 6-1, 6-3 today against Christina Bookshare, who was excellent. And you have to beat Christina Bookshare. She's extremely solid. She doesn't miss. And for a player like Vekic, low on confidence, low on form.

32:47Matt Roberts:I mean, frankly, it's been a horrible year, really, hasn't it? She's the playmaker and she was missing more than she was making. And Bucs is not really missing anything. And it was a bit sad out there today.

33:03David Law:I mean, I think it does show how hard it is to do it every year. We've talked about Paulini. we'll always remember the Vekic-Paolini match from last year here and both of them having these wonderful years. And you finish the year and you go into the off-season and think, right, let's knuckle down, I'm going to be even better next year. And it isn't always like that. There's only a handful of players that are able to just do this year after year. And I think that the fall is really hard to take. And you're right about Vekic. I mean, she had a couple of good wins in Australia, didn't she? we were courtside for a couple of those she had one or two in the Sunshine Double I think but apart from that

33:46Matt Roberts:Gwen Pan was there in Indian Wells

33:49David Law:yeah and honestly apart from that it's been awful and she's going to need to do a lot of thinking I would have thought

33:59Catherine Whitaker:I think her ranking takes a big hit now as well

34:03Matt Roberts:she stops being seeded for stuff and then it becomes a vicious circle. Get yourself a Jam Shriver, Donna. Had one. Indeed. So, Bolta Vekic has become Sierra Bookshire, which is very Wimbledon 2025, isn't it? We had a win today, convincing one, very convincing one for Madison Keys against the Serbian Olga Danilović, 6-4, 6-2 Matt I think you watched all of this match I joined you for a lot of this Out on Court 2 Keyes obviously fighting through A real nail-biter in round one I thought she was really good today Madison Keyes I did too

34:48Catherine Whitaker:Yeah this was not the match I was expecting I thought this could be a battle You know there was a lot going on You know the start of play was delayed A couple of hours From some very British drizzle that just sort of delayed everything for such a long time. It was frustrating.

35:07Matt Roberts:We've become Melbourne, haven't we? All the weather in one tournament. The full spectrum, four seasons in a day.

35:13Catherine Whitaker:I'm wearing two jackets.

35:16David Law:Catherine will have her gloves on tomorrow.

35:18Catherine Whitaker:Do you want? And, you know, so I think, you know, people were just ready for tennis to happen when it finally did happen. And, yeah, I chose this match over some others because I really did think it could be intense and good and hard fought. And it wasn't really. And I think part of that was Olga Danilovic not playing that well. I wasn't that impressed with her in this match. But I thought Keyes was excellent. Maybe at the start she didn't quite have her serve. That was quite a vulnerable shot for her in the early stages. I think maybe she didn't quite have the balance right between going for it but also making sure she was reining it in when she needed to.

36:08Catherine Whitaker:But she absolutely caught fire with the forehand down the line. It was a key shot for her at key moments. She used her backhand slice quite nicely, I thought, just to stay in some rallies and just to put the ball in slightly awkward spots for Danilovic, just to buy herself a bit of time in rallies. She didn't need to go for everything all the time because often Danilovic was missing herself, to be honest. So yeah, not the match I was expecting, but Keyes was impressive. And off the back of that ordeal that she had against Russo in the first round, I think just the sort of match that she needed.

36:45Catherine Whitaker:And I don't know, Keyes to me has just totally changed. She was always interesting because of the potential, like what she might do but to me she's now become so much more of a must watch because she has done it absolutely and like the possibility that she could do it again I've seen it can we see it again that to me has changed the Madison Keys experience and I'm I am now going out of my way to watch her

37:14Matt Roberts:play I'm all in is there an argument to be made that Madison Keys is the favorite for this tournament at this point you think without injury she would have won it last year Matt and now she's a slam champion that you're going out of your way to watch but Sabalenka

37:37Catherine Whitaker:wasn't in the draw last year

37:39David Law:okay I would still have to go I have to go

37:43Matt Roberts:second favourite behind Sabalenka

37:46Catherine Whitaker:third I'll finish him over no look to be honest I put her up there at the start of the tournament, really, in the mix, in the top, you know, four or five names to win it. To me, not much has changed really there. Except a lot of those four or five names have gone. No, they haven't. Sabalenka, Rabakina is still there. Keyes is still, like...

38:15Matt Roberts:Is she ahead of Shiontek, Keyes?

38:18Catherine Whitaker:Probably, but she's in the tougher bit of the draw. because she could meet Sabalenka in the quarterfinals. That's the problem, I think. But she beat Sabalenka in Australia, so you could make that case. And she very much could have beaten her at the US Open. Her power causes Sabalenka problems. We've seen enough evidence of that. If Keyes is playing well, she can rock even Sabalenka.

38:44David Law:These are the interesting things about the match-ups because Danilovic likes to use her power, but whenever she comes up against one of these players she just looks like she's in another weight category.

38:57Catherine Whitaker:There are so many moments where she just couldn't handle the keys.

39:00David Law:And that's what will be interesting with Raducanu. Historically she's not been able to assert power because she's getting hurt herself so much.

39:10Catherine Whitaker:I guess what I would say is she's right up there as one of the favourites but I did think she was pre-tournament as well and I'm not quite ready to make her the favourite ahead of Sabalenka because of Sabalenka's incredible consistency really. There's still a part of me that goes into a keys match thinking this could be an error fest. We're seeing it far less but it just feels like it's there whereas with Sabalenka the circumstances seem to have to be very specific to really throw her off her game. She's so consistent at the slams.

39:49Matt Roberts:Okay. Incidentally, Carol R, who I think is Carol Ray. Hello, Carol. We love Carol. Has just said in the live chat, and hello, everybody that's in the live chat. Can't find Catherine's sweatshirt in the online shop, sad face. It is there, Carol. I will send you a link. And if it's not there, it's because it's...

40:07Catherine Whitaker:Not everyone gets that personal.

40:09Matt Roberts:If it's not there, it's because it's sold out because of my modelling, obviously. Yeah. Exactly. Which is also great. okay

40:17Catherine Whitaker:I've got a cardigan it's lovely Carol's not making

40:20Matt Roberts:inquiries after that but it is lovely you can get this too for that it's nice it's comfy

40:24Catherine Whitaker:and I've got two jackets on

40:27Matt Roberts:you could unzip one and reveal no too cold

40:34right

40:34Matt Roberts:on to the men's and obviously there's Carlos Alkraus to talk about there's an incredible Joel Fonseca match to talk about there's Taylor Fritz to talk about there's just kept us entertained on the hill up until about 45 minutes ago. But let's start with the one big upset on the men's side today because upsets are very much the theme of this tournament. Cameron Norrie defeating Francis Tiafoe 4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 7-5. There was a real turning point in this match, wasn't there, late on in the second set when Tiafoe had a set-to-love lead, love 40 on the Norrie serve. but Cameron Norrie I'm going to go to Matt Roberts for an answer on this David because big announcement Matt Roberts is now a Cameron Norrie guy

41:23Catherine Whitaker:I was today I have to say in that fourth set I got really into this match and I got really into the Cameron Norrie of it all I think it was when I clocked and realised that he's such a court one specialist you know I looked up his record and he's beaten on that court now Tiafoe, Draper, Mahatch, Munar, Paul, Goffin, Bolt. I think he's only ever lost one match on there to Christopher Eubanks. He's got a really, really good record on court one.

41:55David Law:And he keeps talking about it. He keeps campaigning to get back out there.

41:59Matt Roberts:He's doing a Kyrgios, Hisense, John Kane thing. He really is.

42:04David Law:He's very open about it. That's my favourite court. Please put me on there.

42:09Catherine Whitaker:and he just yeah I guess there was just part of me in that fourth set that was kind of like I've seen this Cameron Norrie before on this court he just had a sort of look in his eye he was just so engaged and locked into the match sort of fist bumping after every point that he would win coming up with shots of winners with sort of surprising amounts of flair for Cameron Norrie

42:34Matt Roberts:I know I heard the noises you were making after he hit them I was sitting next to you

42:38Catherine Whitaker:it was wild Yeah, I thought he was, I'm going to say it, I thought it was quite fun. And he had the break in the fourth set. Tiafoe immediately broke back and that could have been another turning point. But he recovered and he was outplaying him. And look, I don't think this would have happened a couple of months ago. I think he has found a bit of form again recently, Cameron Norrie. and Tiafoe, you know, he hasn't been that impressive all year really. He had that, you know, decent run at the French Open, but, you know, he lost to Dan Evans, didn't he, on the grass in the lead up to Wimbledon.

43:19Catherine Whitaker:And, you know, look, Dan Evans is very comfortable on grass. He's a good player. It's not a bad loss. But I imagine Cameron Norrie kind of thinks, well, Evans can do it. I can do it. Like in this tournament where all the seeds are falling, why can't I take one out as well? And on his favourite court, he just rose to the occasion and he was good today.

43:42Matt Roberts:Tiafoe, though, is another clown for the list, isn't it?

43:46David Law:Yeah, and, you know, I didn't really see this coming when I was watching the first couple of sets. It was close, it was good, but I thought Tiafoe seemed right on it and I was expecting him to win this match. I don't think it's that big an upset, really. On paper, when I look at the two, I don't think Tiafoe's got enough form, even though his ranking's higher, to feel that it's that big an upset. But at the same time, the way he played that first set, I'm thinking, oh, Tiafoe looks like he could be one of the ones to maybe pick up the pieces of this draw. And he should be pretty gutted, I would have thought, not to.

44:31Matt Roberts:Yeah, because it's not Yuri Lahechka waiting in the next round. He was one of the seeds to fall in straight sets to Mattia Bellucci. That's a miss for Lahechka, big time. Bellucci is fun and talented. Yeah, I'm curious to see him on grass, actually,

44:46David Law:because he's got a game full of flair himself.

44:49Matt Roberts:Well, I suspect, David, that'll be on court one, Norrie against Bellucci.

44:53David Law:That actually could be a lot of fun. More fuel for the Matt Roberts funfire with Cameron Norrie. Is that what we're calling it?

45:03Matt Roberts:The Matt Roberts funfire with Cameron Norrie? Yes.

45:07Catherine Whitaker:I'll decline that invitation. It's a one-time thing.

45:12Matt Roberts:Well, we'll see. Watch this space.

45:14Catherine Whitaker:Two lefties up against each other there, which is, you know,

45:18David Law:it's kind of an interesting match-up.

45:20Matt Roberts:Lefties don't like playing other lefties. It's like when David meets other tall people.

45:23Catherine Whitaker:Yeah, I don't like that. I have to say, Le Hetschke, we were massively talking him up at Queen's. I know that's partly on us. And look, a lot of what we said at Queen's hasn't materialised. Alcoa's was a serve bot at Queen's.

45:43David Law:All the lead-up tournaments have been pointless, haven't they?

45:46Matt Roberts:What was happening over the last three weeks? Should we just go straight into Wimbledon the day after Roland Garros? Cut the hoo-ha. Right, let's talk about Carlos Alcaraz, shall we? Straight sets today. Relative lack of hoo-ha for the two-time defending champion. 6-1, 6-4, 6-4 against the Brit Oliver Tarvit. Oli, as we now know him fondly. Didn't know he existed a week ago, but he's Oli to everybody now. Look, it was a classic plucky Brit performance, wasn't it? Right in the sweet spot. Won over a lot of fans. he'll get a lot of headlines tomorrow even though he lost this in straight sets it was all just absolutely classic and Alcaraz handled all that incredibly well didn't he, said lots of nice things

46:37David Law:I love his game, he said his first words in his on-court interview but actually you know what I commentated on it, there's a lot to love he had three break points in the first game of the match but aside from that just the way he carries himself and plays the sport. I mean, he was trying to play like Alcaraz on the court. You know, where we are in our court-level commentary box, in the corner of the court, looking over the sort of left shoulder of the player who's nearest to you, Tarvet was trying to hold the baseline, and he refused to yield it. He was doing the sort of full front face-on slide, Djokovic style and Alkraus style and Sinner style into each corner like he's skiing, like he's slalom skiing.

47:26David Law:And he was really ripping the ball. He was trying for drop shot exchanges. You know, the first set was 44 minutes and yet he lost it 6-1. Every game was competitive. And he's so fast. I mean, there were a couple of drop shots that Alkraus hit, you know, and he... Honestly, you're thinking, well, hold on, which one's which here? the speed he's going across the court. Never once did his focus dip or his intensity drop. I found it all very impressive. I mean, look, the guy is 733 in the world. He's never played a tour match. It was hilarious looking at their bios next to one another. You know, Al Krause is full of numbers.

48:13David Law:And then Tarvitz just said 1-0, 1-0, 1-0 in the career record and he'd never played anything. He'd never even played a tie break. And suddenly here he is on centre court. I thought he handled himself really well. I thought this was a much better outcry than we saw against Fennini the other day. It wasn't anywhere near perfect. He's going to need to really fine-tune his game if he's going to win this title. But then that's what he's done the last two years. He's built his way in.

48:41Matt Roberts:And fine-tune his serve in particular because it's been a regression, these opening two rounds. of Wimbledon big time and he is well aware of it he he mentioned it unsolicited in his press conference and then it was picked up on by Charlie Eccleshire from The Athletic who I know is writing a piece on serve bots um and uh he put a question to the readers put a question to Alcraz about serve bots which Alcraz really enjoyed actually he's into the whole like being a serve bot slightly ironically bit he really engaged with it but then I sort of killed the fun and chimed in with a serious question about about serving and I said look after the you didn't start off serving well at Queen's at all and after the the Munar match you decided this has to stop and you've you've told us that you hit the practice court and did pretty much exclusively service drills and were like, I've got to sort this out.

49:40Matt Roberts:And from that point onwards, he was a serve machine, wasn't he? He started breaking his records for aces in matches. And it wasn't just the numbers that stacked up. In terms of the eye test, you could see there was greater precision on that serve. And I feel like that's what's been missing these opening couple of rounds because actually the numbers stacked up pretty well today. The numbers were low in the first set, first serve percentage, but it climbed over the course of the match and it ended up in the mid-60s, maybe even late 60%. It's like, that's fine. But in terms of the eye test, it wasn't anywhere near where it was at Queen's.

50:21Matt Roberts:And I asked him about that and he said, yeah, I'll be doing what I did after the Moonarm match. That is my priority. The serve is the most important shot on grass. That's what I'll be doing.

50:32Catherine Whitaker:And that's encouraging, I suppose, that he's got very recent evidence that he can find the serve halfway through a tournament. But it really has been notable, you know, through two rounds here, Fanini and Tarvit just have had so many looks at Alcaraz's service games. You know, David mentioned that long first set today. I didn't watch this match as closely as you two. but Tarvit I think had eight break points in the first set against Alcaraz.

51:07David Law:And he did break him a couple of times in the next two sets.

51:10Catherine Whitaker:Yeah, and that's the reason that first set took so long really is because Alcaraz constantly was under stress and under pressure on his service games and yeah, I think that's a big area that he will need to improve this tournament but given what we saw last year at Wimbledon when suddenly he found his serve in the final against Djokovic when he needed it most, given what we saw at Queen's and how he started breaking his own ace records, you know, one match after another there. Like, we know that he can find this. There's no need to panic. But, you know, absolutely he needs to improve in that area.

51:49Matt Roberts:Well, the good news for him is that his next round opponent is going to have to play tomorrow. It's either Felix or Jair Liasim or Jan Lennarstrup. If they split sets and were called off for bad light, they were on court 18 behind us here. The crowd were booing when they called it off for bad light. It was a classic Wimbledon scene. So they could have a lot of tennis still to play tomorrow, which isn't ideal preparation for playing Carlos Alcaraz.

52:19Catherine Whitaker:No, absolutely. And I think they definitely could have played for longer here. I think it was about 8.45 or something that they called this one. and I think Pan on the outside courts played, you know, they played for another 40 minutes or so. So they could have got quite a lot more in, but, you know, they called it a one-set-all. I imagine, look, I don't know, I'm speculating here, but I imagine based on what Taylor Fritz told us about the conversation that took place and in terms of, you know, both players needing to agree to it, I imagine Urjali Asim was thinking, let's get off here. He was 6-3 up in that second set tie break and ended up losing it, you know.

52:57Catherine Whitaker:So I think he just probably needed a reset and come back the next day.

53:03Matt Roberts:Yeah, there's a couple of matches, a couple of other matches suspended overnight tonight, aren't there? There's Artur Rindeknesh and Christian Garin. That's been called off with Rindeknesh leading two sets to one. Credible Rindeknesh continues. It's a real adjustment in my mind. I'm getting there. and Alejandro Davidovich Fikina and Bertik van der Zandschulp called off with Davidovich Fikina leading also two sets to one and five all in the fifth so Bertik's got him right where he wants him I do hope Bertik stays in long enough for me to hear John McEnroe say his name again that has been my highlight of today look it's a tough pronunciation not everybody has my flair

53:50David Law:That's Cameron Matthews' favourite pass. Highlight of the tournament.

53:54Matt Roberts:It's going to take some beating. Van der Dan Schloop.

53:58Catherine Whitaker:Van der Dan Schloop, yeah. Yeah.

54:01Matt Roberts:I loved it so much. Look, they're long days. It was late at night.

54:07Catherine Whitaker:Yeah.

54:08Matt Roberts:Dutch is tough.

54:10Catherine Whitaker:The umpire, when he was beating Alcaraz, was saying Van der Schloop the whole night.

54:20David Law:Stick to Baltic. Right.

54:24Matt Roberts:Bertic will be back tomorrow. Let's talk about Joel Fonseca and Jenson Brooksby. This is my favourite match of the day. I loved this match. Unfortunately, I got turned away from watching it in person. We were in the queue. We were in the queue. I was turned away. We were turned away by a member of the British Armed Forces.

54:43David Law:Yeah.

54:43Matt Roberts:Which felt like a very final no. Court 12 is full. I pivoted to Madison Keys with Matt on court two. But the unfortunate thing about that situation is that you could hear court 12. And the Brazilians, David, found a way in. And there was a vibe.

55:02Catherine Whitaker:Because they were sitting in their seats during a rain delay. That was the level of commitment that was required to get to this match.

55:09David Law:I had such FOMO. I mean, it was a tough scene. So two days ago, I was at the first round match against Jacob Fernley on court number one, where I counted two obviously Brazilian fans who had got either a yellow shirt on or were waving a flag. That's it. There was no vibe in there at all. This was a totally different scene. And after Catherine went off to watch Keys with you, I tried to get into court number one for a little bit and realised I hadn't got the wristband, so I failed twice and then went back to the media centre and watched six screens and then realised that Fonseca had got the best crowd in the world in the stadium he was in.

55:55David Law:So I was earphones in, listening along, getting into it, doing the chant. You're great.

56:03Matt Roberts:You've got to get the Brazilians in. Oh, yeah. You've just got to find a way to get them in. They are so great.

56:11Catherine Whitaker:Genuinely, I guess go looking for his matches now. Even when I'm at home watching tournaments around the world, I'm like, where's Fonseca playing and what's the atmosphere? He really dials into it.

56:24David Law:There was a moment where they're going and then he just starts to do this in time with them as he's walking around and thinking, crikey. He's got them in the palm of his hand here.

56:34Matt Roberts:And Brooksby kind of responded to it in a really great way. He didn't get eggy, but he did.

56:39David Law:Very funny. At the end of the second, so when he levels the set, he's taking all this stuff. and he's playing some nice stuff and he's disruptive tennis. And then Fonseca hits a big forehand and it's going long and Brooksby goes like this to allow the ball to go over the baseline. Shepherds it out. Shepherds it out.

56:59Matt Roberts:In a very theatrical way.

57:01David Law:Very theatrically. And the crowd kind of slightly playfully booed him. But he sat down with one said all. But no, he's a good watch too. But it's cool having Fonseca in the third round of Wimbledon.

57:14Matt Roberts:It is. And unfortunately, because of the seed decimation, I think they're going to have to put Fonseca on a big court. But I want him on court 12. I want the Brazilians to get in. If they have to put him on a big court, somebody sort the Brazilians out. And the Chileans. Well, yeah. Let's have him down here on court 18.

57:43David Law:That would be good.

57:44Matt Roberts:Yeah, but I don't know, going through the matches that there are going to be in that side of the draw, I think they're going to find it hard not to put Fonseca on a big court. But just find a way to get Brazil in somehow, wherever it is. Quote, I can't remember who he's playing, but the next match is winnable. That is what Matt Roberts said when revealing his true thoughts about Nicolas Jarry accidentally earlier. Explain yourself, Matt.

58:13Catherine Whitaker:Jarry's on fire. I was trying to remember his draw off the top of my head. And I thought he was playing the winner of Borgesh Harris. Turns out I was wrong. And he's playing the winner of Jarry Tien.

58:26Matt Roberts:Which was very much Nicholas Jarry. 2-2-3. A convincing Nicholas Jarry just swatted Tien aside.

58:34David Law:He's unstoppable. Is Jarry the favourite in that match? I thought you meant for the title.

58:38Catherine Whitaker:I thought you were going to say for the title. I don't imagine.

58:40Matt Roberts:I kind of think he might be the favourite. against Fonseca.

58:44Catherine Whitaker:What makes you say that?

58:46David Law:The big serve, the relentlessness of it. The ability to kind of rush Fonseca. Fonseca does have, I mean, look, he has these peaks where he's unplayable for most people. But I just think, you know, best of five set, he's going to keep plodding along the way he does, Nicholas Jarry. You know what I mean? You're making it sound like

59:10Matt Roberts:another Matt Roberts funfire. or whatever we describe the Cam Nori party as.

59:16Catherine Whitaker:I think what impressed me today with Fonseca, again, I didn't see every ball, but I felt like he was quite happy to rally with Brooksby. I felt like his tolerance was good. Like he wasn't just hitting out.

59:29David Law:That is impressive because that could have gone, couldn't it?

59:32Matt Roberts:It could. There were lots of moments where that could have gone today.

59:36Catherine Whitaker:I thought it was really good today, Fonseca. But then so was Jerry. Yeah, it's a tough one to call, isn't it? It's a very fun third-round match, especially knowing that if they can get the atmosphere right, that could be really special because, okay, Jerry doesn't have quite the support that Fonseca has. He's certainly not bringing along a lot of the neutrals in a way that Fonseca is. But there's always Chilean fans at his matches, always. And they create a vibe. So, yeah, I'm very into this match.

1:00:14David Law:I'm still remembering Jarry against Mute in Chile earlier this year. That was one of my favourite matches of the year.

1:00:21Matt Roberts:And then wasn't there a continued... Didn't they play again at Roland Garros?

1:00:25Catherine Whitaker:So they played at Roland Garros last year.

1:00:28Matt Roberts:And something wild happened with a ball kid.

1:00:31Catherine Whitaker:Yes, you're right. There were scenes. Jarry ran into a ball kid or something. Yeah.

1:00:39David Law:Oh, that was a...

1:00:39Catherine Whitaker:He got sort of stitched up as being a bad guy for running into a ball. But it really wasn't his fault.

1:00:46Matt Roberts:You had to do a lot of Jarry apologies. Yeah, Mute's still in the tournament, incidentally. He won yesterday, as is Taylor Fritz. Just 6-3 in the fifth. Finished about an hour ago over Gabriel Diallo, who is, well, it's your classic one over a lot of fans, isn't it? On number one court tonight. What a show he put on with his neon hair and his swashbuckling tennis and his incredible attitude, really. Pat Cash in his box, Diallo. Yeah, he was great tonight. And yet, obviously, it's very easy to say now. I had utter confidence in Taylor Fritz the whole way through. Like, OK, on one hand, it's not ideal for him to be getting embroiled in these pickles early on.

1:01:37Matt Roberts:And yet, he's just got this look in his eye that's like, I'm relishing this.

1:01:43David Law:Yeah, he's a real fighter, Taylor Fritz. And I actually think a lot of players, I mean, it's two back-to-back five-set matches, not ideal. Yet, I don't think it's going to cost him the physicality. I don't think he could afford another one, necessarily. but you know I kind of feel like he's probably going to knuckle down now and become his best

1:02:07Catherine Whitaker:self yeah I think physically they've not been particularly gruelling matches because he's been playing big servers you know the rallies have generally been quite short that you know there's not been that much demand on him physically but something he did say was that you know he actually would have preferred to you know play really late and you know not have a curfew uh when he beat and pest your perry car not because of the physical recovery but because of the mental toll that it exacts on you to just be on for that amount of time you know you go to bed tied at two sets all you've got to be on the next day and then you come back again he's on again today.

1:02:51Catherine Whitaker:He's just been locked in this whole tournament and I think that can be a bit draining, a little bit tiring and that would be my only concern really for Fritz, whether that element catches up with him, that sort of mental fatigue that can come from those sorts of wins. Physically I do think he'll be okay. You know, he's finally got an order of play tomorrow that he's not on. Unlike

1:03:16Matt Roberts:his potential next opponent, Bertik van der who will have played every day of the tournament so far. Right.

1:03:24Catherine Whitaker:So, you know, I think physically he's OK, but generally, like, Fritz, to me, feels like one of the biggest beneficiaries of all the sort of seed decimation and draw decimation that there's been. I mean, arguably, he was the favourite in his section anyway, given the record that he has over Alexander Zverev. But just the sort of other names there have lost, like Medvedev, for example. And suddenly it's an incredible draw that he's got to reach the semis here. Like, incredible. And if he can just keep it together, he's by far the best player in that section. And I really think he should be getting to the semis here.

1:04:10Catherine Whitaker:And that draw that he's got feels a bit like a reward for that tricky first couple of matches that he's had against big servers, in-form players. Diallo love his commitment to coming forward. You know, he just... I can see why Pat Cash is in his box and working with him. Like, he just is desperate to come forward whenever he can, Diallo. And that's an unusual look, you know, for a player to have to face. You know, Fritz won't be used to that. But, yeah, I just feel like Fritz can breathe a bit tomorrow and just get his head around this draw, which is great for him. and I'd probably, given how convinced I've been by him, as you said, today, I do think he's going to get to the semis, is it?

1:04:54David Law:I do too. Back-to-back matches against players of six foot eight. It's wild, isn't it?

1:04:59Matt Roberts:You're next, David. Come on, Taylor. Let's have it. Is Riley Apelka still in? No. Yes, he plays Nakashima tomorrow.

1:05:08Catherine Whitaker:Oh, crikey.

1:05:11Matt Roberts:I don't think an army employee will be turning me away from whatever court that's on come on in we need bums on seats I could be wrong

1:05:26Catherine Whitaker:we're not going to be doing in depth analysis of that one are we tomorrow

1:05:30Matt Roberts:well we don't know how desperate the draw is going to get Matt

1:05:32David Law:shall we see if we can get on the seats shall we try and just report back no I've got other things on David David.

1:05:39Matt Roberts:A few people imploring us in the chat earlier, and this was in the agenda. There's just been so much to get through that I accidentally overlooked it. Naomi Osaka sneakily through to the third round. That equals her best ever run at Wimbledon, which I know is, you know, potentially not saying all that much. But she's got Anastasia Pavlichenkova the next round, who took out 31st seed Aisling Kruger. and after that it would be Sonne Kartel who got a fantastic win backed up her first round victory over Elena Ostropenko beat Victoria Tomova today 2-2 she's now got Deanne Parry in the next round so Osaka who beat Siniarkova 3-2 today plays Pavlyuchenkova not a given Pavlyuchenkova obviously grandstand finalist great player but Pavlyuchenkova round 3 for Kartel or Parry in round 4 yeah big opportunity for Osaka yeah

1:06:35Catherine Whitaker:it's that section we were talking about with Anisimova and Galfi and Noskova and Rakimova as well you know one of one of those eight is reaching the semis and that would be a first Wimbledon semi-final for all of them you know none of them have reached the Wimbledon semis before

1:06:54Matt Roberts:land of opportunity right tomorrow's order of play I'm pumped about this Centre Court opens at 1.30pm. David, of course, is going to be commentating on it. Who else but David for Dan Evans against Novak Djokovic?

1:07:12David Law:Oh, yes.

1:07:13Matt Roberts:Has he got a chance, David? No. Not even a chance? No, of course he's got a chance. How big a chance?

1:07:21David Law:Not a very big one, but he's got a chance. He's beaten him before in Monte Carlo. I do think Evans is going to play out of his skin tomorrow. I think he's going to be so pumped up and I think he knows the tactics to use to at least play well and it'll look good there'll be a lot of long rallies I think in this match he'll use his slice a lot to just keep rallies going and the big question is how do you win points with that how do you hurt Djokovic how do you get him out of his stride so at some point he's going to have to change that up and go after the forehand and cut off the corners the way he's so good at doing and probably try to get to the net but then the guy's so good at passing it's not easy and he's going to have to serve incredibly well just to kind of keep in the games keep in the sets rather keep them close but I do think he's going to play well I do, as long as he's fully fit I think he's in form, Evans

1:08:27Matt Roberts:Igor Shontek against Katie McNally is second on centre tomorrow and finally Yannick Sinner against Alexander Vukic of Australia number one court opens with Mira Andreeva against Lucia Bronzetti second on Maria Sakharie against former champion Elena Rabatkin and finally Jack Draper I wonder if he's requesting court one I wonder he is up against Marin Cilic and of course that win would take him further at Wimbledon than he's ever been before.

1:08:57David Law:I wouldn't have thought Draper is requesting court. He lost there to Norrie badly last year. That was a pretty unpleasant experience for him.

1:09:07Matt Roberts:And they did put Sinner on court one in the previous round, and he's the world number one, so it felt like he probably needed to go on centre today.

1:09:16David Law:Cilic is an interesting one, isn't it? Because, I mean, he's had such a bad time and injury. I really thought his career may well be over. And he's not what he was, But still, here's a guy who's reached two, no, three Grand Sun Finals, and he's won one of them.

1:09:31Matt Roberts:That's not a given. It's not a given. Not a given. Court number two, number two court, opens with Alex de Manor against Arthur Cazul. Second on is the completion of Arthur Ferry against Luciano Darderi. Back-to-back artists. They're everywhere. Yeah, Arthur's a big, big name in tennis.

1:09:49David Law:And I'm into all of them.

1:09:51Matt Roberts:Yeah, because he's a grandad.

1:09:53David Law:Yeah, my grandad was an Arthur, yeah.

1:09:56Matt Roberts:Third on court number two, the defending champion, Barbora Krejcikova against Caroline Dollarhyde. I'm interested in that, interested to see if Krejcikova can keep up or build on what she showed in the opening round against Ayala. Fourth on is Safir Kenin against Jessica Bouthas-Munero. And finally, Ben Shelton against Rinki Hijikata. That is your court two schedule for tomorrow. Court number three Veronica Kudumatova against Emi Navarro here's one for you David unfortunately this is going to clash at least in large part with Djokovic against Evans but Grigel Dimitrov against Korentan Moutet

1:10:38David Law:what time's that on?

1:10:39Matt Roberts:a second after 11 while you're commentating yeah it's not good for you yeah that's I'll be watching that and I'll live text it for you okay good Sebastian Ofner against Tommy Paul is third on court three. Dario Kazikina, big opportunity for her in her section. She takes on Irina Kamilia-Begu. Jakob Mensik is on court 12. Thomas Mahatch and Clara Towson against Anna Kalinskaya. Court 18, behind us here. Flavio Caboli against Jack Pennington-Jones. Jack, is that his name? Yes. Jack, yeah. Just checking.

1:11:19Catherine Whitaker:It's a very English name.

1:11:20Matt Roberts:Yes. And he's good mates with Jack Draper, isn't he? Jack Pennington-Jones. The completion of Orgelia Seaman-Stroof. Then Susan Lammans against Ekaterina Alexandrova. Then Lyudmila Samsonova against Yulia Starodabtsaiva. And Martin Fuchovic against Gaël Monfils. He only needs one. So that is your tomorrow here at Wimbledon. Of course, we'll be back with a live show at the end of all of it. Maybe a bit earlier tomorrow. No Taylor Fritz on the schedule, so you never know. You never know. We have a mascot for today's show. Matt showed me a sneaky peek of the mascot earlier because he is so lovely.

1:12:00Matt Roberts:He is Woody and he is owned by Doug and Andrea. Woody was rescued as a puppy from our local shelter, say Doug and Andrea, in New York's Hudson Valley. When he was six months old, he will turn 12 in January. he's a shepherd pit hound mix but really we think he's just made up of leftover parts from other dogs he loves swimming, playing in the snow hamburgers and squeaky tennis balls although he promptly breaks the squeaker at which point they are dead to him and Doug and Andrea say only one photo, Catherine, send us your email and we promise to send you a new Woody photo every day for a month, what a pledge yes I will take you off on that.

1:12:46Matt Roberts:That sounds absolutely excellent. Yeah, what a dog. That's a good dog. I like a heady mix of just... Sometimes when you get a mix of lots of different dogs, you end up with a dog that looks like what you would get in the dictionary if you looked up dog. And that's what Woody looks like. He's lovely.

1:13:07Catherine Whitaker:And I look forward to my 30 days of photos of him.

1:13:10Matt Roberts:hello to our mascots hello Phoebe hello Maisie hello Roger hello to our top folks and executive producers Greg Chris and Jeff and Matt let's have some shout outs please we have Clarissa Troop

1:13:24Catherine Whitaker:who is in our Wimbledon newsletter predictions competition and was here today how is she doing

1:13:33Matt Roberts:I mean not as well as Sophie no no one's ever going to do as well as Sophie I can't remember

1:13:39David Law:I think most people are ahead of me

1:13:41Matt Roberts:don't give it away, subscribe to the newsletter folks, Clarissa thank you you're a big supporter of the pod and we appreciate it and I don't think I have any tennis Clarissas

1:13:51David Law:no

1:13:53Matt Roberts:Clarissa explains it all big show in my childhood I'm sure you've heard that before Clarissa but there you go thank you Clarissa

1:14:03Catherine Whitaker:we've also got Adele Ford

1:14:06Matt Roberts:hello Adele hi Adele

1:14:08Catherine Whitaker:Adele found the tennis podcast at the start of lockdown and particularly loves the Relived pods Adele says if we're on a long car journey they keep us entertained the deal between my husband and I is that we alternate between Relived and World War 2 podcasts my husband says he would have liked to have met Vita Scleralitis sounded like he was a top bloke and we've got a Relived and Vita Scleralitis didn't we last year?

1:14:37David Law:That was a wonderful experience to research all that.

1:14:41Matt Roberts:Adele, like Adele. Yeah. Hello. Very good. Little gag there.

1:14:46Catherine Whitaker:Very good. Again, Matthew enjoyed that one. Again, I'm sure Adele's

1:14:51Matt Roberts:never heard that before. But I don't think there are any tennis Adele's.

1:14:57David Law:I found myself saying I'm the problem, it's me to you the other day. Did you? Yeah. And then I realised I'd quoted a song.

1:15:06Matt Roberts:Olivia Rodrigo was here today. Do you know who that is? We watched her the other night. I do know who that is.

1:15:12David Law:I think she's really good.

1:15:13Matt Roberts:I agree. There's my assessment. Banger after banger. Adele, thank you.

1:15:18Catherine Whitaker:She was potentially chatting with Roy Hodgson, which is a fantastic mental image.

1:15:24Matt Roberts:By the way, did I tell you... She was chatting with Tommy Fleetwood. That did happen.

1:15:28David Law:Did I tell you about how Ollie Tarvett was signing autographs with his full name? Oh, yeah. Like, in longhand.

1:15:36Matt Roberts:Like it was his signature on a mortgage or something.

1:15:39David Law:You're really going to have to, no, like he's a kid at school writing his name on his exercise book. You've really got to work on that part. That's very sweet. It's not very efficient.

1:15:52Matt Roberts:Thank you, Adele.

1:15:55Catherine Whitaker:And finally, we have Rishi, Rishi Kanna.

1:15:59Matt Roberts:Oh, hello, Rishi. Hi, Rishi. We know Rishi. Yes, this is Rishi's actual shout out.

1:16:05Catherine Whitaker:Right. I got my Rishi's mixed up. But this Rishi from Denver, Colorado. We know Rishi. We've met Rishi. We love Rishi.

1:16:16Matt Roberts:We love Rishi. I have a good friend from Denver, Colorado. Good things happen there. They produce good people. Absolutely. I'm sure not without exception, but my experience is they produce good people. And Rishi certainly is that.

1:16:30Catherine Whitaker:And Rishi says that his current coach is former WTA number 26, Micah Babble. Is that a name that we know? Apparently not. But yeah, Rishi's getting some quality coaching in.

1:16:51Matt Roberts:Like Rishi Passad, who does the on-court interviews at Wimbledon. I think he was on Centre Court today.

1:16:57David Law:Yeah.

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1:17:30David Law:It's all right, isn't it?

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1:18:08Catherine Whitaker:It's always after Taylor Fritz.

1:18:10Matt Roberts:Yeah. So thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. We'll see you and speak to you tomorrow.