Miami - What happened to Swiatek & Alcaraz?

21:47Catherine Whitaker:And I realised sort of watching her, how much her presence has been missed on tour, I would say.

21:56Matt Roberts:Yeah, I had all the same feelings. I do love it when a notable name just randomly pops up in a player box and you're sort of squinting at the screen going, is that, is that, oh, okay. I mean, maybe there was an announcement about Marcus Bagdatis coaching Jung Chin Wen, but I certainly missed it. And I feel like there have been a few of those recently. I didn't realise that Agneska Radvanska was working with Magda Lynette. And of course we had Goran popping up in Art of Feas' coaching box without even telling David.

22:32Matt Roberts:I'm not over that yet. I love it. It's like trying to place, you know, when you're watching something on the telly and you're like, I recognise her. What's she been in? You're like, oh, an Australian Open final. So Jung Sabalenka at the top of the draw. We've got Hayley Baptiste against Yelena Ostapenko, which is fun, I think, as a matchup. Paolini David didn't find Ostapenko very fun at all.

23:04David Law:No if you want to find something that stops Jasmine Paolini from smiling it's Yelena Ostapenko. This is such a funny match to be honest though. I mean Ostapenko was in charge of it quite often and then suddenly she wasn't. you know in the deciding set she was four love up and then suddenly it's four all um then she breaks again then she's broken back again um and then right at the end I mean it was just you can imagine you can imagine the scene can't you it's just Ostapenko teeing off on everything Paulini's scampering and how many winners does does Ostapenko end up hitting well just enough as it turned out and the thing is when she hit the winning shot she has that sort of beaming Cheshire cat I'm really proud of myself glow about her as she walks around you know and towards the net she's not even disguising the fact that she's thrilled she's she's sort of smiling in the face of Paolini and Paolini we've got Osterpenka's back to us and we see Paolini You just give her the curtest handshake, a tiny bit of eye contact, but just looking really fed up.

24:22David Law:And I'm not used to that with Pauline. I don't particularly love it, but it was a funny scene.

24:30Matt Roberts:And Baptiste, Matt, what a win for her over 2026 Svitolina, who, as previously established, is no joke.

24:41Catherine Whitaker:right yeah like she's been well one of the best four players of the year i would say along with uh pagula rabatkin and sabalenka um and i but i do feel like baptiste has been close to a big result a lot this year you know if you think she was a she was a what she won a set-off goth in melbourne she's got a set-off rabatkin at indian wells she should have beaten alexandra in abu and maybe could have gone on to win that tournament if she if she'd closed that um but i don't know svitolina to me is like such a test for a player like baptiste you know because the thing about baptiste is she plays this attacking game a lot of variety and it's easier to play that way at the start of a match i think when you're loose and you haven't got like scoreboard pressure to protect and she came out firing Baptiste so good.

25:35Catherine Whitaker:Like first point gets to the net, second point's coming in as well and he just immediately like stamps her intent on that match, gets into a winning position, serves for it and loses serve and goes for a backhand, bit impatient, wasn't really there and then five all, second set, Svitolina having just broken back, I'm kind of thinking this is where Svitolina might take over and just be too tough for Baptiste but credit Baptiste because she regrouped, broke and then served it out at the second attempt. Doing so with a second serve, serve volley on match point, which I quite enjoyed. And yeah, like all the stuff that makes Baptiste such a great watch was on display in this one.

26:21Catherine Whitaker:So smothered Svitolina generally with her aggressive game style. And yeah, she was partnered with Ostapenko in doubles at Indian Wells. So now they face off in the singles. So it's going to be interesting, that one. I feel like it could be quite a lot of unforced errors between them, but also like spectacular shot making.

26:46Matt Roberts:Yeah, I thought that was a really big win for Baptiste because she's been doing a lot of proving how talented she is and how much she can disrupt the top players without actually winning any of those matches in which she's doing those things. So for her to actually get over the line in this one felt really, really significant to me. We've got Elena Rabatkinner also continuing her Indian Wells form. She will take on Talia Gibson in the round of 16. Speaking of continuing on Indian Wells form, Gibson has beaten Eva Jovic and Naomi Osaka. I'm declaring it, David, unless there are any objections. I think Talia Gibson is officially too good to be a sensation.

27:30Matt Roberts:It's not funny. She's too good. I think Talia Gibson might be really good.

27:36David Law:Yeah, I can't argue with that, Catherine. I mean, to me, she was the quintessential sensation when we were in Australia because I kept on thinking she was playing every single day because I was getting her confused with Taylor Preston. And I just didn't know which one was which, to be honest with you. I feel really bad about that. Well, not that bad. But now that we've had a couple of weeks, I mean, look at the players she has beaten. She's beaten Ekaterina Alexandrova, Clara Towson, Jasmine Paolini. She lost in three sets to Noskova, and now she's beaten Osaka and then Jovic. And I've watched the last two matches very closely because I was just curious, you know, how is she doing this?

28:17David Law:What sort of game is this? It is an absolutely, brutally powerful game. I mean, it is explosive. She is hitting the ball as hard as anybody out there right now, I would say. I mean, I'm really fascinated to see whether she can live with Rabakina. I suspect that it'll be a different type of game that she's got to face, and therefore that might be problematic. Well, Osaka hits a pretty mean ball. She couldn't face her. And, I mean, she just knocked her off the court, quite honestly. I mean, I'm wary, but I would like Matt to have a look at her backhand. I'll tell you that, because she hits a sweet backhand and names that her favourite shot.

29:06David Law:And actually, I was so taken with what I saw the last couple of days. I mean, the Jovic match, she won that two and two. You know, this is a good play. She's just knocked off the court. I was so taken with it. I decided I'd try to find out a little bit from that side of the world, just to see whether there's any backing for our view that she should not be a sensation. I didn't use the word sensation, but I got in touch with Courtney Walsh of Fox Sports in Australia, who's one of the most experienced journalists over there, and asked him whether this was expected at all, because, you know, we've heard a lot of hype around Emerson Jones, But I honestly had not really heard of Tania Gibson until the Australian Open.

29:50And he said that Emerson has had a lot more hype.

29:54David Law:He said there's expectation. He said he spoke to Craig Tizer, who was formerly the coach of Ash Barty, and that both Preston and Gibson, in Tizer's view, could be top 50 one day, you know, in a couple of years' time. Well, I mean, Gibson's going to be top 50 at the end of this tournament, I think. the way things are going um he said Preston is a sort of more all-round player but doesn't have quite the sort of power that that Gibson has but you know I think we're talking about Taylor Preston again yes no absolutely but but that's you know I was curious to because he he did the same thing he mentioned them in the same breath did Courtney Walsh I've asked you about Taylor Talia Gibson and you've mentioned Taylor Preston because that's how they're both viewed one's 21 one's 20 they've they've both had similar rankings and then suddenly gibson has just burst out of the pack i mean she qualified as well in indian well so she won six matches there make time to watch her against rebecca it'll be fascinating to see whether what it looks like against her but she just and again because this is all new it may be that she's not nervous yet you know that it's that she's just not blinking because it's all new.

31:12David Law:We've seen that with other new players on that scene before. Is she going to wake up at some point and just not be able to produce this kind of tennis? That's highly possible, but wow, it looks such a good game.

31:26Matt Roberts:The good news is if she does wake up, the silver lining will be that she'll become eligible to be a sensation again.

31:32David Law:Yeah, and sensation of the day is then on.

31:35Matt Roberts:It's win-win for Talia Gibson. And just on Osaka, I mean, just beaten fair and square by Gibson, as you say, it was a tough scene seeing Naomi Osaka be hit off the court by someone. A very different defeat to what we saw to Sabalenka a couple of weeks or last week, where it was sort of really notable the extra skill set that Sabalenka has in her arsenal relative to Osaka. She made some comments after the match, Osaka suggesting her, and obviously, you know, this comes with the caveat of immediately post-loss and all the emotions running high, but she suggested her appetite for staying on tour, for keeping at this while suffering early losses isn't that high.

32:23Matt Roberts:and look I find that very very understandable it's it's no fun losing tennis matches and for her the the cost benefit analysis is is the stakes of it are high because time on tour is time away from her very young daughter so you know on human level I find that very very understandable but it did make me think of the way tennis players and I used to get so frustrated with this when I was presenting and I'd have ex-tennis players as pundits and their punditry would be process not outcome. There is nothing more boring than an ex-tennis player saying yeah but you've got to focus on process not outcome.

33:12Matt Roberts:It just bored me to tears when Tim Hemman would come out with that But he's right. You know, there's a reason why they're saying it. There's a reason why tennis players talk like that and think like that. You know, they it works, you know, telling yourself that if you're doing the right things, the results, the results will come eventually. they will take care of themselves and she for very understandable reasons is having a very outcome-based approach to the sport at the moment an outcome-based mindset and I do just worry that that's potentially not conducive to to the best results um and look she's now got she's got months ahead of surfaces that she doesn't enjoy isn't comfortable on and probably wouldn't be expecting to have great results on.

34:06Matt Roberts:So she's probably going to have to put her helmet on and withstand some difficult losses over the next few months and not, you know, she does want to stick at this, not have them make her question whether she wants to continue being a tennis player. I don't know. It feels like a tough turnaround from being so high on Osaka, you know, around US Open time last year. It feels like we're in a very different place with her right now. Whether that lasts or not, I don't know. So Rabakna against Gibson. We've got Jacqueline Christiane against Jessica Bagula. Christiane, who for a long time I was saying was sneaky good and then dropped her like a hot potato in my fantasy team.

34:54Matt Roberts:And now she's doing a thing. So great. Well done, Jacqueline. That is the definition of sneaky good then, isn't it? Yeah, it is. yeah but she's dead to me

35:04David Law:hold on that you sneak onto the fantasy team or that you get drops from a fantasy team well kind of both

35:09Catherine Whitaker:yeah but like you're good enough for someone to think oh yeah I should definitely have her in my fantasy team she's going to get results but then like you crash and burn and think gotta get rid of her not performing yeah but then pops up again can't get her off my hands

35:23Matt Roberts:quickly enough yeah like

35:25Catherine Whitaker:sneaky good

35:29Matt Roberts:and it's a move against Bencic Yes, please. I feel like this is a matchup we haven't seen very much. Matt, I'll defer to our resident man with an encyclopedic knowledge of Amanda Rennes-Simova's past matches. But yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. And Anna Simova, OK, she's not been like, you know, delivering beatdowns, winning totally convincingly. But she looks really happy and comfortable. This is like her home tournament, isn't it? She lives in Florida. Her family are around her. She's surrounded by dogs and nephews. And I feel like you can see the relaxation in Amanda Enesimova at the moment, certainly at this tournament.

36:16Catherine Whitaker:Yeah, I think that's fair to say. She stays at home, doesn't she? Which is, I think, always nice for a tennis player, given they get so few weeks at home. Yeah, she had to battle against Tom Janovic. that was a that was a stressful match first up you know battling the game the weather like they they stopped and started so many times in that one i should probably should have closed out in two had a match point then then there was a rain delay um and then ended up in a third set where she had a lead and tomjanovic came back at her like that was that was stressful and again like the serve is not really functioning all that well for anisimova and it makes her vulnerable um much more convincing in the next one against staradook saver um but yeah like we haven't seen anisimova bencic much instinctively it's one of those ones that i i sort of don't like because it's uh you know it's it's backhands coming up against each other uh which i should like i know I should like that but I'm afraid I don't uh there's there's just something something about it that annoys me um so yeah intriguing intriguing as you say like players with you know great ball strikers great backhands problems on serve sometimes can occasionally get like a little bit stressed out on court like there's definitely similarities between Anisimova and Benchik um I I would expect...

37:48Matt Roberts:I feel like your whole body language has changed, like anticipating this match. Your shoulders have gone high. I can feel your discomfort through the screen. Yeah.

38:02Catherine Whitaker:You've read me well. It's on very late tonight in Miami, this one.

38:09Matt Roberts:Early night for Matt Roberts. We've got Andreeva against Mboko. we've got Mukova against Ayala big yes please to those two round of 16 matches and we've got Coco Gough against Serana Castella big test for Coco Gough here and she's been facing big tests every match so far she's so far past them she's been winning ugly again David but her serving woes have gone viral again And there's one serve that did something very comical coming off the racket that is, you know, the clip of it has gone everywhere. And it just feels... The thing is, Coturetto made that way funnier than it needed to be.

38:59Catherine Whitaker:She didn't need to duck.

39:03Catherine Whitaker:It was going well over her head anyway.

39:07Matt Roberts:It was so theatrical. But the fact that she ducked just...

39:15Matt Roberts:yeah it was like a batsman being boulder yorker wasn't it except it wasn't um yeah i poor old coco goth david like i it it feels like the tennis equivalent of someone having to do their therapy sessions in public to me watching her go through these matches with Gavin McMillan sat there at courtside. And I know they're doing work behind the scenes, but maybe the serve's working really well behind the scenes and then it's the match conditions that make it not viable. And I do, you know, as bad as it still looks quite a lot of the time, I still think this is the right thing to be doing with Gavin McMillan just because it's not yielding results yet.

40:10Matt Roberts:She couldn't continue as she was, I don't think. She had to try and change something. I feel like whether this ends up working or not, it was still the right thing to do. She had to do this. And I do think a lot of the problem here is Irina Sabalenka and the fact that we've got one really prominent example of somebody employing a biomechanist on their serve and it just so happens to be the very same biomechanist and they together were able to fix her problem in about two weeks and that's our one data point for this. So we're like, well, it's been six months for Coco Gauff and Cotureto is having to duck to avoid being taken out by her serves.

41:01Matt Roberts:What on earth are they playing at? But like, I don't know if there is a normal for this stuff or whether it really is your proverbial, you know, how long is a piece of string? But I feel like our one data point has really skewed our and potentially Coco Goff's expectations of this project that they're working on together with her serve.

41:26David Law:yeah I mean it feels like so much of of of this type of problem in a tennis player is mental including Sabalenka and the employment of a biomechanist whilst also hopefully just correcting one or two things that makes it more reliable under pressure but also makes you feel like you're doing something so this is good I've I've taken action I'm doing something and and And I think with Sabalenka, maybe that was enough. I'm sure that there were technical changes that, you know, you could probably do a sort of before and after side by side and be able to sort of see the differences. I don't know enough about the serve, but I know that she suddenly lost all faith in it and then suddenly had it back.

42:09David Law:And I don't think Koka Goff is quite that straightforward a person, maybe, as well. It's difficult to really diagnose these things. But Brad Gilbert said years ago, she served great in practice and then you get her in the match and it's different. And that makes total sense to me. And I suppose, yeah, Gavin McMillan, you're trying to correct the technical elements, but also just make you have a sort of soothing influence on the fact that you're doing something about it. But Castella, by the way, having self-declared that this is her final year, just seems to have been released and has just come out swinging this year.

42:55David Law:She's playing good tennis. They've only played the ones before, and that was six years ago, so it doesn't really count. But that was 7-5 in the third. I wouldn't be surprised if it's close again. I get a little bit nervous with Andreva and Mboko, because they're both in my fantasy team for a start, so I'm a bit annoyed about that. But also, I like them both. I don't want to see Andreeva sad again. I would love it if she could sort of get a big win, get a good run going, but also think Mboko's great. So they're good matches, though, aren't they?

43:31Matt Roberts:Yeah, they are. I'm pumped for all these Women's Round of 16 matches today. That's it for part one. We will be back in part two to talk about the men. but first a quick word from our wonderful sponsors at Steve Fergal's International Tennis Tours your premium hospitality and experience provider who can customize your dream US Open experience they can sort out official US Open tickets with brilliant viewing positions no nosebleeds for you a premium hospitality experience and amazing luxury hotel accommodation. And they can do all of that with a 5 % discount for tennis podcast listeners off all travel packages.

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45:13Matt Roberts:We have the top half at the round four stage and we have the bottom half of the draw at the round three stage. So prepare for me to say consistently throughout this segment, what half are they in? When is that match? And hopefully Matt will have the answers. There is one place to start, I think, and that is with the defeat of the world number one, Carlos Alcaraz, lost to Seb, Sebby, Sebastian Corder, 6-3, 5-7, 6-4, a match last night that I think we were all watching. It was pretty crazy, David. Is it fair to say that Sebastian Corder choked and won anyway?

45:57David Law:yeah I think it is when he initially was leading and lost his serve I was sort of I was really reluctant to use the word choke in our group chats and then he lost his serve again and lost the set and I mean look Carlos Alcruz was part of the reason as well but it did feel like a total capitulation by Corder who whose demeanor is such that it really comes as a surprise to me even though i've watched him for years he he just looks so composed all the time and so kind of poker faced and he just kept on slamming the door shut on carlos alcraz for for most of the first two sets until he served for the match and then he went to pieces um but look he regathered himself and and i think choking as horrible a word as it is it is the most normal thing in the world isn't it you are going to get nervous when you are trying to do something of great importance to you particularly in sport to beat somebody who is the best in the world and you're right there and you've got this huge chance and and he did tighten and Alcraz took advantage honestly I think most of us would have would have been thinking that Alcraz wins from here but he was never really convincing he was always in that pulling rabbits out of hats mode right from the first few balls I mean he played pretty spectacular stuff at the start of the match did Alcraz but didn't break he came up with an incredible lob or two and you know that when they're going over a guy of six foot five it looks amazing but I'm just thinking you know Carlos Alcraz at his best doesn't need to do these things.

47:46David Law:He just goes and dominates. And Corder didn't really let him for a start. I mean, he was hitting big. He was going for it, rushing Alcraz. But also, Alcraz wasn't at his best anywhere near.

48:01Matt Roberts:Is it too simplistic, Matt, to suggest this defeat for Alcraz is a symptom of not quite being bothered enough about this sunshine swing, about these two tournaments that don't, that they're nice tournaments. He'd love to win them. I think Indian Wells in particular, he has a great affection for and likes being there. But we're talking about a guy here, and this will have occurred to him, that is playing well enough and good enough right now that the calendar slam could be on. And in that context, these tournaments are completely meaningless. Now, I'm not suggesting, you know, in the moment on the match court last night, he clearly cared, you know, he was really frustrated with himself.

48:46Matt Roberts:Like, these are competitive animals. This was, you know, I'm not suggesting anywhere close to a tank. He absolutely cared and wanted to win that match. Just, you know, the same as the case in his defeat in Indian Wells. But big picture in terms of stepping onto that court and wanting it more than anything, you know, the way we know he did in Australia. I don't know it's it's take take 1 % away from these guys and it's enough to be the difference between wins and losses because there's a lot of Sebastian Corders out there that are bloody good tennis players and can take advantage of you if you are 1 % down I mean maybe it has to be 2 or 3 % for Carlos Alcaraz but but you get my point hopefully

49:35Catherine Whitaker:yeah look I I definitely think that's part of it like Alcaraz is not trying to peek at Miami is he you know like he's got far bigger fish to fry this season and as you said you drop a little bit of that of that edge and this can happen I suppose the why it feels like a bit of a shock is that he he'd been in this incredibly consistent run of form really it felt like last year he had he'd become just someone who had not only the keys to beating Yannick Sinner but also he he'd made himself upset proof you know like the way he was consistently reaching finals and okay he had that one loss last year to Norrie in Paris where it's like an early round loss but from Miami onwards last season he just didn't suffer losses like this um and now he's he suffered another one early in Miami to me I I was watching that thinking Alcrest looks exhausted I just thought mentally he just looked like he needed a break I don't know I don't know maybe it was partly motivation but to me I think it was just exhaustion I don't really mean physical exhaustion you know I just think mental really in terms of almost the sort of slightly delayed crash from Australia seems to have finally just come, I think.

51:10Catherine Whitaker:You know, he kept it going through Doha and was absolutely magnificent in that tournament. He looked brilliant in Indian Wells up until Medvedev kind of outplayed him or totally outplayed him in that semifinal. And he was kind of subdued in his, he was a bit subdued, I thought body language wise, in his first match against Fonseca. But I did read that as it was kind of what he needed to do to manage that match and the Brazilian support that was there for Fonseca. I've actually read my read on that at the time was that was incredibly smart from Alcares to sort of be at that tempo and use that body language.

51:48Catherine Whitaker:But maybe now I think about it, maybe there was some signs of fatigue even in that one. And that was definitely here because he was irritable. You know, you could tell he was chuntering away to his team, talking about how he couldn't do it and he wanted to go home. And these are not.

52:04Matt Roberts:He was very teenage, wasn't he? He just wanted to go home.

52:08Catherine Whitaker:This is the guy who, you know, has pulled off the most improbable, some of the most improbable sort of comebacks and escape acts that we've seen in tennis. Like, OK, he was being outplayed in this one, he was down, but there was also a route back into it, you know, and yet he wasn't giving that body language through the first two sets until suddenly he was. He's also had problems with Corder a little bit in the past. Corder's ability to rush him, come forward. It is a bit of a tricky matchup for him, I think. Corder serves pretty well as well. So yeah, I'm not reading too much into this and as I said with Chiantic, I think I believe it more for Alcaraz.

52:49Catherine Whitaker:If there's a tournament to lose early at, when you then get ready for the clay, it's kind of this one. And it's probably annoying for him. He never wants to lose. But I think he goes home, he rests, he spends time with his family and his friends and he builds up that desire again to fully get back on court and attack the clay court season leading into Roland Garros. I've seen nothing to suggest real deep concern for Carlos Alcaraz for one loss against a really, really good Sebastian Corder.

53:26Matt Roberts:We've seen the top half of Alcaraz's Australian Open tattoo poking out from his sock. I mean, I assume you can kind of guess what the bottom half is on the basis of that. Have you seen it, David? It's a kangaroo holding the Australian Open trophy. It looks quite elaborate, actually.

53:50Matt Roberts:There we go.

53:50Catherine Whitaker:David's like Alcaraz's mum when it comes to his tattoos, where she's like, only one per slam. You're not allowed to get any more. You can have one and then...

54:02Matt Roberts:But that was his original policy, wasn't it? And then he's got two US Open ones, so he seems to be... I'm a bit unclear on what his tattoo policy is. His might be different to his mum's. Because if that is a shift, it's quite a big shift, because, you know, 12 in a row, he's going to end up with a sleeve if he's not careful. In two and a half years' time, he'll have a sleeve going on. What else has happened in Miami? Corder, incidentally, plays Landa Luthe next, who's beaten Giron Darderi and now Hashanov. He's a next-gen-er, David. He's a name that we knew from juniors. I saw a little bit of him play at the next-gen finals last year.

54:57Matt Roberts:He's still eligible this year. He's still disgustingly young, and he seems to be pretty good.

55:03David Law:He's fun. I watched the highlights of the match against Hachinov. You know how we've sometimes described Al Kras as sort of having been brought up on the highlights of tennis TV, etc. I get the feeling this guy has. And obviously, you know, he'll have been watching a lot of Alcaraz, no doubt. And he actually pulled off a fake drop shot, forehand drop shot, and then did one of those really fantastic stabbed forehand slices deep that completely bamboozled Khashanov. And that was either side of some haymaker forehands and backhands. I mean, he was overpowering Khashanov in the highlights I saw. I mean, he's a tall guy, not quite as tall as Hachinov, maybe 6 '4".

55:50David Law:He's got short, blonde, curly hair, and he looks fun. I mean, there was real engagement with the crowd. He was leaning into it. There was no sort of tunnel vision, and I'll keep my thoughts to myself for this guy. I'll definitely go back and watch some more of him.

56:08Catherine Whitaker:It's quite an agricultural run he's been on, hasn't it? Gironde, Darderi, Hachinov.

56:18Catherine Whitaker:I don't know. If I was building a sort of agricultural team on the ATP tour, those would all be contenders.

56:23Matt Roberts:Yeah, he just needs to beat Sebastian Ofner and he's completed the set. What else has happened on the men's side in Miami? Jack Draper lost to Riley Opelka without facing a break point. I mean, just an absolute waking nightmare having to play Riley Opelka. I mean anywhere in any circumstance

56:46David Law:This off the back of losing the same scoreline to Minsk last year wasn't it As well in the first round Yes

56:53Matt Roberts:Yeah I mean he doesn't have a great Miami record Jack Draper does he So I mean not a whole lot to read into that I don't think I mean Opelka was awesome in that match But he then of course lost to Taylor Fritz in the next one Speaking of which Stefanos Tsitsipas, who's outside the world's top 50 right now, he beat Alex de Menor 6-3, 7-6, which is his biggest win for quite a long time, it feels like. And you're thinking, oh, OK, is Stefanos Tsitsipas working his way back? Are we going to be talking about him a lot in the latest pod? Well, last night, David, he lost love and won to Artifice. Tell us about that.

57:35David Law:Yeah, the Goran derby, because Goran coached both of these two in the last year and I think probably quite enjoyed this. But, I mean, Fees, who has his hair in cornrows now, very cool. He was awesome last night. I mean, he said it was the best he's ever played. I love how candid he was. I've never played like this before.

58:01Matt Roberts:He's a great interview artist. He's fantastic in those on-cours.

58:06David Law:everything was coming up but I mean even just kind of I mean I said it the other week when he played Oji Ali Asim there are some players that are just built for Art of Wies to play against and if they've got a weak backhand which relatively speaking Oji Ali Asim and Sidsapas have Wies is likely to get the better of them if he's playing well because his cross-court backhand is so solid and it just kept on peppering that side but the only the only time Sidsapas came close to winning well the way he won his one game was when he managed to get himself inside the baseline and because you're watching him thinking how where is the guy gone where is the guy who was the man the next one where is that gone and has the game moved on that fast or have you regressed that fast it's difficult to know what's happened but he just looked quite puny really compared to Feast in terms of the trade from the baseline.

59:03David Law:Nothing was hurting Feast at all. And, you know, the dad was chuntering all the way through the match, obviously mic'd up. It's just, you know, and Sitsipas, about four games in, starts complaining about the lights. He was convinced the lights weren't the same as when he played against Dimonor. Feast seemed all right with him. And then he complained about a let that nobody else saw and had it out with obviously Greg Allensworth in the chair. He just sort of nodded along and just said, yeah, well, I didn't hear anything. And no, it looks all right to me, you know, that kind of vibe. But yeah, I mean, it was less than an hour, this match.

59:45David Law:And Feast won double the points of his opponent. Nothing more to say.

59:50Matt Roberts:He's got Valentine Vachero next, Feast. Winner that to face either Tommy Paul or Thomas Martin Echeverry. Dare I say, David, could be on for quite a big result at this tournament, Artifis. I mean, I would say if he keeps playing like this, but he doesn't even need to keep playing. You can't expect him to play like that every match, but even somewhere vaguely close to that, and he's on for a decent run here. Agreed.

1:00:24David Law:I would have come into these two tournaments thinking, if you get close to defending quarterfinals in both that you made last year, that's a pretty good game. Well, he's a Vachero away from doing exactly that. And Vachero played well against Matteo Berrettini. I saw some of that yesterday. He's backed up his title win pretty creditably, I think, this year. He's learning all the time. So I don't think that's a given that Fies wins that. but I still make him favourite. And Tommy Paul's a good player but that's not a bad draw overall. You're right. In terms of an opportunity to go deep at a Masters 1000, this is it, I would say.

1:01:10David Law:Obviously early in his comeback, doesn't matter that much if he doesn't but it's a great opportunity.

1:01:14Catherine Whitaker:I think even just looking at that top half generally, that's the quarter there but the top half, one of Korda, Landaluthe, Lehekshka, Fritz, Echeverry, Paul, Vachero, Fies will be in the final. And look, you've obviously got Taylor Fritz there, who, you know, last year you would have seen that draw and definitely thought, OK, Taylor Fritz is a pretty big favourite here, he's the standout player, but he's just not been anywhere near as convincing this season. We know the sort of injuries that he's managing. Like, honestly, that feels like a huge opportunity for so many players. Feast being, I think, probably top of the list.

1:02:00Catherine Whitaker:But also, like, can Corder back up what he did against Alcaraz? That is a really interesting question I have about this section of the draw. You know, like, it's huge for so many players. You know, three Americans in there as well. like it's it's it's it's kind of that thing we say about how it feels like a good year for the field so far right because once again they've got a tournament where they've managed to get rid of one of Alcaraz and Sinner before the final we're going into the clay we're not going to have an Alcaraz Sinner match before then like I would not have thought that and yet you know quite likely in a week's time we're talking about Yannick Sinner as the winner of this tournament and we're We're at that situation again.

1:02:45Catherine Whitaker:But, you know, I still think as soon as one of them goes out, it's a huge opportunity. And that's what I see in this Miami draw for a lot of players.

1:02:55Matt Roberts:Youngsters have been a big feature of this tournament so far. First time since the Miami Masters of 2007 that five teenagers on the men's side won a match in a single Masters 1000 event. We've had Moisa Kwame, Darwin Blanche, Raphael Hoda, Joel Fonseca, who of course we know plenty about, and Rai Sakamoto. To our resident youngster, Matt Roberts, for this, who of those have you been most impressed by? Who should we be watching out for?

1:03:35Catherine Whitaker:I think Kwame is very interesting. he's frank she's been tearing it up on the on the challenges uh you know he sort of He's got a lot of matching or setting records of youngest ever, you know, that sort of thing. He's got a big game. He's fun. So I sort of been monitoring him outside of this tournament, I would say. But nice for him to get that win here. I enjoyed Sakamoto Medvedev. That was really fun. Sakamoto is a tall, gangly, got a big forehand. He was causing Medvedev a lot of problems with that. He seemed to have just totally run out of gas.

1:04:18Matt Roberts:Medvedev, incidentally, who, whatever you're doing, make sure you're not travelling with Daniel Medvedev in the year 2026 because he's got a curse going on after his getting caught up in everything that was going on in Dubai. He then, I mean, obviously eventually made it to Indian Wells, made the final incredible. Miami, all his bags went missing. He ended up in online aggro with United Airlines, I think it was, called them out for being only given AI, customer service. And we're talking about his racket bags here. You know, he was he was without equipment at the start of this tournament. And here he is progressing through.

1:05:03Matt Roberts:It's all very Daniel Medvedev.

1:05:06Catherine Whitaker:Yeah, it was good stuff. It was good stuff. yeah he was he was quick with his comebacks on Twitter wasn't he I did enjoy that it was like when he's going toe to toe with an umpire he was picking on the United AI chatbot function

1:05:25Matt Roberts:yeah it was fun yeah

1:05:32Matt Roberts:Raphael Hodar he's he's good isn't he

1:05:37Catherine Whitaker:yeah I'll be honest like he's the one I've not really seen play that much, but he's...

1:05:43Matt Roberts:He's leading the next gen... Yeah, he's having a lot of good results. The race to the next gen finals, I believe, at the moment. And somebody was smart enough to snap him up in their fantasy team for peanuts at the start of this year. Yeah, nobody was mentioning Moisa Kwame to me when I had 50p to spend at the end of the Fantasy League window and was rummaging through the bargain basement and ended up with Daphne Pesci-Perricar.

1:06:17David Law:Maybe Daphne's time will come. Maybe.

1:06:22Matt Roberts:We wait. I've got a section here titled Italian Updates. I'm not quite sure there's enough content to make this a section, but here we go. Lorenzo Mazzetti out of the tournament with an arm injury. We hope, Matt, that this is kind of precautionary with the clay to come, which is obviously the most important part of his season. But it is a worry for Mazzetti, isn't it? We've gone from number three being up for grabs to a series of, well, worrying physical situations for Lorenzo Mazzetti.

1:07:04Catherine Whitaker:yes I was I suppose kind of relieved that it wasn't the Australian Open injury I sort of felt like it was good that he seemed to be over that but then maybe that's the wrong way to look at it and you know maybe it's concerning that there's another injury but he was framing it as you say Catherine in terms of he's not 100 % so sort of why play why risk it when maybe what would be more beneficial would be a bit more training time and getting ready for the clay where look he's got a lot to defend on the clay had that amazing season last year where he reached what the semi-final at least of every every big event he played on the clay um but i do feel like with Mazzetti he's he's the kind of guy who he'd reached a kind of

1:07:56Catherine Whitaker:balance equilibrium zone these sorts of words in australia and that that brings with it a lot of confidence and belief and he needs that and i think it's quite easily chipped away at for him and i do think these injuries have done that and it's it's going to take a little bit of time to get that back um but i hope so because he well he was i think he was number three on the clay last year in terms of the body of work and the consistency he had and that is his best surface. So, you know, hopefully he's ready to attack that clay court season because, yeah, we've missed him since Australia because he's a good present in a draw.

1:08:36Matt Roberts:Flavio Caboli, David, was pictured wearing a Flavio Caboli T-shirt. They're probably going for cheap on eBay right now because he then swiftly lost to Raphael Collignon. Look, I loved seeing him in his big Flavio Caballi T-shirt. It really tickled me. But, you know, this is a guy that got an incredible Hulk tattoo and then lost to Jack Pennington Jones. Does he need to stop doing these? Do you need to stop sort of bigging himself up about what he's wearing about his person? I don't know. We continue to ride the Cabali rollercoaster, David. Matt did warn us.

1:09:23David Law:You've got to hang in there, Catherine. Come on. You know, you can't just start doubting with a little flicker. He's your man. Cabali guys forever.

1:09:32Matt Roberts:Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yannick Sinner, he's got Carotta Girls in Miami. Have we seen these? They're very much a more chic iteration, I would say. They've gone for headwear.

1:09:44Catherine Whitaker:I thought they were saying Aries. The character on the head. Sinner found it funny as well Sinner broke out into a little smile when they were shown on the big screen as we know he's alright with carrots

1:09:58Matt Roberts:David has journalistically confirmed that he's okay with carrots very tangentially here prepare yourself for a tenuous podcast segue from Italian updates Yannick Sinner plays Corentin Moutet next, that match later on today. Now, Corentin Moutet has inadvertently got himself in the spotlight this week. Firstly, via a very entertaining match with Thomas Mahatch that David was watching and providing updates on, which he eventually won through. and secondarily via some developing beef with former Miami Open champion and now Tennis Channel pundit, Danielle Collins. Matt Roberts, please fill us in. In the absence of Hindron's drama today, please give us Moote Collins' drama.

1:11:02Catherine Whitaker:well there seems to be a new uh tennis channel section of content called story time with danielle um and and the first iteration of that was her talking about her her dog shitting in the locker room in front of um a player's locker who she didn't like she didn't name the player but you know she told that story and then in the second iteration she told this story about sort of claiming that Mute was sort of flirting with her in Miami claimed that Mute had messaged her Daniel Collins said that she said that Mute should have a bigger serve and she's not interested in the small ones and then she claimed that mute unfollowed her after that um you know obviously in the moment mute was not there he had absolutely no sort of right of reply but he um he took to twitter and called out uh in his words bs uh how how can i unfollow you when i never follow you he said um he called out tennis channel for getting for getting a ex-player on to to spout bs like that yeah it was um yeah pretty undignified i would say

1:12:41Matt Roberts:you ready to say anything so people talk about you uh yeah incredible takedown well we know that

1:12:48Catherine Whitaker:Mute can, you know, he can spit some bars, can't he? Deliver a takedown. Mute, he's got away with words.

1:12:58Matt Roberts:I know we live in an era, for better or for worse, David, where, you know, clickable content is the name of the game. And it's a game that, you know, everyone has to play to some extent. but this is incredibly graceless content from Daniel Collins in Tennis Channel, isn't it? Like, regardless of whether it's true, and I'm inclined to believe Korentan Moutet on this, but let's give Collins the benefit of the doubt for the moment and say that this is true. It's pretty gross for her to be saying that on air, is it not?

1:13:44David Law:Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm not the target market. I find it all incredibly boring and pretty cringe, really, all of it.

1:13:56David Law:So I'm quite happy to just ignore most of it. I mean, look, I don't know how people feel when they're watching Tennis Channel. I mean, I think they do a lot. I really enjoy their sort of desk interviews. You know, they have players on and they have chats and I enjoy a lot of that stuff. But I kind of feel like the tennis channel is trying to make itself happen a bit, you know, and become a thing and become a thing that everybody talks about. And I think, yeah, I'm not sure it's worth it, guys. Just do what you do.

1:14:35Matt Roberts:Yeah, there's a lot of social media consultants out there probably earning a lot of money. And look, maybe they'll point to the numbers and say, well, job done. You know, we've achieved that. But yeah, please let there be something that matters more than numbers in this godforsaken world. Quarantine Mute's dignity, for one. Spare a thought for it, folks. OK, that is it for part two. We'll be back in part three with some Wimbledon news.

1:15:13Matt Roberts:Welcome back to part three of the tennis podcast where we had some big news for Wimbledon a couple of days ago. They've cleared what the BBC have called a big hurdle. This reporting from the BBC website plans to almost triple the size of the Wimbledon tennis site have moved a step closer after the High Court ruled that the development was not restricted by land use rules. This pertains to the club's plans to build 38 new tennis courts and an 8 ,000 seat stadium by developing the golf course across the road from where the club sits currently. There's a very vocal local campaign group called Save Wimbledon Park that is arguing that a statutory trust existed under the Public Health Act that meant or means that the land had to be kept as a public space.

1:16:16Matt Roberts:But club lawyers said when the ALTC purchased the freehold in 1993, any trust no longer applied. the Save Wimbledon Park group said it intends to appeal this ruling there are still sort of several rounds of ruling appeal ruling appeal that this could go through and I think the club are kind of just head down just clearing one hurdle at a time it feels to me David like this is going to get there but it is going the circuitous route that is for sure yeah they are trying every little legal

1:17:04David Law:challenge out there aren't they and yeah it's a process um and it must be deeply frustrating for Wimbledon especially because each Grand Slam that goes by their their friends at the other Grand Sams their rivals to some degree are adding extra layers onto their show and to their length of tournament and to the things that they're able to do and um and Wimbledon has all these plans and they've they've they've got what they want they've got their vision and yet they're they're being stopped from doing it and I realize that you know I I am biased because I want Wimbledon and tennis to be doing really well so and and the the the developments don't affect me other than making the tennis tournaments I like better.

1:17:55David Law:But I hope that they get there. I hope that it's soon.

1:18:00Matt Roberts:I heard it being discussed at the cafe on Wimbledon Common yesterday. I was there queuing for my iced coffee and there were a group of, you know, very vocal locals that were unhappy about this ruling. and I think the group of people, whatever size of it, that are opposed to this are prepared to take it all the way and seemingly have very, very deep pockets as a lot of people in that area do and they're prepared to be, I think even if they don't succeed, they're taking pride from being such a thorn in the side of the club, you know. it does seem I don't know whether it's officially I don't know whether the sort of appeal the residents group have officially lost the support of the local MP Fleur Anderson I don't think she's kind of officially switched teams but I do notice that it's gone very quiet from her it's no longer something she's talking about a lot I follow her on Instagram she's got great content shout out Fleur big fan of hers but yeah it's gone it's gone this particular cause she's gone quite quiet on read into that what you will Wimbledon this week David also announced that they'll be using video review technology only on six courts but it's still quite a big kind of technological step for them and they'll be using visual aids on the scoreboards for out calls as well, kind of their own version of the red light that we had on the net posts and the umpires' chairs at the Australian Open, which we all agreed was a great and kind of very obvious thing.

1:19:56Matt Roberts:Once they did it, it was like, oh, that works. Everybody should definitely do that. It does, Matt, put hindrance drama very much on the table at Wimbledon.

1:20:09Catherine Whitaker:Absolutely. Let's go. what a way to make Wimbledon even better

1:20:15Matt Roberts:is Wimbledon ready does it know what it's signed up for yeah

1:20:22Catherine Whitaker:I think hindrance drama will go down so well at Wimbledon like the Wimbledon audience lap up that sort of thing

1:20:33Matt Roberts:the pearl clutching stuff

1:20:36Catherine Whitaker:yeah exactly

1:20:37David Law:I mean when a boar would get caught in the net or a bird would come down on the roof the excitement levels

1:20:45Matt Roberts:there's nothing more exciting than a bird getting involved at Wimbledon it means people get to talk about Rufus the hawk why isn't he doing why is he sleeping on the job that sort of thing okay yeah great all sounds good it was a hundred days to go wasn't it

1:21:05Catherine Whitaker:until the start of Wimbledon and they released their poster for this year's tournament, which I thought was a lot better than the Roland Garros poster.

1:21:15Matt Roberts:I love the Wimbledon one, and I cannot tell you the extent to which I hate the Roland Garros one. I can't look at it. It makes me feel quite odd, actually. I think it's a total misfire. It looks like a horror movie poster. Yeah. Very clockwork orange.

1:21:37Catherine Whitaker:Oh my word, I'm just looking it up. Shoveling clay into someone's eye.

1:21:42Matt Roberts:Into someone's eyeball.

1:21:43David Law:Oh dear, what have they done that for?

1:21:45Matt Roberts:Yeah, it's horrific, I think, actually. Look up the Wimbledon one, David, as a palate cleanser.

1:21:54David Law:I've seen that one. Yeah, that's fine. It's very pleasant. Oh dear.

1:21:59Matt Roberts:Do you think Roland Garros overthink their posters?

1:22:05David Law:I do, yeah. I think they've not thought about this one enough, to be quite honest.

1:22:10Matt Roberts:Because they do have the occasional... There was one a couple... Maybe it was even last year. They've had the odd absolutely beautiful one.

1:22:19Catherine Whitaker:But they had the one...

1:22:20Matt Roberts:Do you remember the one with the nude man in the window?

1:22:24Catherine Whitaker:Yeah, I just quite like that one.

1:22:32Matt Roberts:but it was quite complicated wasn't it wasn't it to reflect it was pandemic time i think they wanted to get that across maybe there are other ways other than new men in the windows but

1:22:48Matt Roberts:yeah they want to be different don't they and and that in principle is fine but this yeah it looks like a body horror film poster and maybe that's your bag it is certainly not mine and judging by the expression on David's face right now it's not his either today folks our work is not yet done because today is the second anniversary of The Barge our community platform our non-toxic space for Friends of the Tennis Podcast us to talk about tennis amongst one another and not just that I mean make friendships there are barge meetups happening all over the world it's an incredible it's an incredibly lovely thing and it's been a great source of happiness and and pride for us to see it flourish in the way that it has over the course of the last couple of years so we like to mark the anniversary and And just like we did last year, we will be doing an AMABT tonight.

1:23:54Matt Roberts:Ask me anything but tennis on the barge at 7pm UK time. That's 3pm Eastern time, 12 noon Pacific time and 8pm Central European time. That means the three of us, as well as Hannah and Vicky, our wonderful team members, people without whom we would be just rocking back and forth in dark rooms. We, the five of us, will be asking whatever questions you want to fire at us about anything but tennis. 7pm tonight. It was really fun last year. Can't wait for this one. And if you'd like to become a friend of the Tennis Podcast and get on the barge, check out what it's all about and ask us a question, then you can do that.

1:24:41Matt Roberts:The link to become a friend is in our show notes as always. And also to celebrate the anniversary of the barge, Friends of the Tennis Podcast will get a 15 % discount code to spend in the Tennis Podcast shop where we have T-shirts, caps, hoodies and plenty more besides. So all of that for friends of the Tennis Podcast, plus, of course, access to more than 25 bonus episodes per year. The link is in our show notes or you can go to tennis.supportingcast.fm. We will be back with our next podcast on Thursday. We won't have Matt Roberts on that show. Where are you going to be, Matt?

1:25:22Catherine Whitaker:South of Spain, playing golf and tennis with my two oldest friends. Yeah, little holiday.

1:25:30Matt Roberts:Old friends and new shoes.

1:25:33Catherine Whitaker:Yeah, I have new golf shoes and new tennis shoes. I'm taking this holiday very seriously.

1:25:39Matt Roberts:Matt and I went shoe shopping on Thursday. It wasn't advertised as a shoe shopping trip. It very much turned into a shoe shopping trip. It wasn't too bad, was it? No, I found it very interesting. Yeah, I was quite invested by the end in what shoes you ended up with.

1:26:01Catherine Whitaker:I spent a little more than I'd planned for, but, you know, if it helps the golf... You went mid-range, I would say. Yeah, I was hoping to go lower range, considering I play golf about six times a year. But, you know...

1:26:17David Law:We're looking to up that.

1:26:18Catherine Whitaker:Exactly. Yeah. So I will report back.

1:26:23Matt Roberts:So, yeah, next time you hear Matt Roberts' voice, he'll be reporting back on the success of the new shoes.

1:26:29David Law:Whereas I was like Art of Feast with my golf game the other day. Played the best of my life. There we go.

1:26:35Matt Roberts:No new shoes required for David.

1:26:37David Law:No, I've had the same ones 20 years. Imagine what I'll be like when I get new ones.

1:26:45Matt Roberts:So David and I, with potential special guest, we will see. We'll be back on Thursday. And then, of course, we have our Miami rap show on Monday, and that one will be live on YouTube if you want to join us live at 8 p.m. UK time to wrap up all things Miami and maybe have a little look ahead to the clay court season because we just can't resist. We have a mascot for today's show. That mascot is Gus. Look at his little face. Gus is owned by Billy Ituli, who says, Gus is my handsome little Westie. Confirmed, Billy. He sure is handsome. He's three years old and loves to go on walks, car drives and nap the day away.

1:27:34Matt Roberts:He and I love a morning stroll to our local cafe where he devours a croissant and I catch up on the podcast. He especially loves to cuddle on the couch while I marvel at this week's tennis highlights and ponder if I could ever make the amateur version of Matt's backhand list. One day I plan on taking him to the Scottish Highlands to visit his ancestral homeland and swing by Henman Hill at Wimbledon to have a doggy meet up with Billie Jean. Once Wimbledon, Billy have got the whole local residents group off their back, I will start a new campaign group for Wimbledon becoming dog friendly. You can come with me on my journey.

1:28:21Matt Roberts:Gus is, what a little face. I can tell he's been recently groomed in this photo. And he's wonderful. My gran used to have a little Westie, so I've got a real soft spot for them. And he is indeed an incredibly handsome boy. And I hope one day, Billy, I can meet him on Henman Hill. Dreams can come true. We have our mascots, of course, Bodie, Maisie and Roger. Hello to you. We have our top folks and executive producers, Greg, Chris and Jeff. We salute you. Matt, let's have some shout outs

1:29:01Catherine Whitaker:And we start with a Matt Matt Kalman from Woburn, Massachusetts

1:29:08Matt Roberts:Hello Matt What a great name you've got

1:29:11Catherine Whitaker:Matt says, I just want to thank you for continually improving the podcast and increasing the amount of content I've been a listener since almost the beginning and you never mail it in and are always full of enthusiasm and information So that's very nice from Matt

1:29:28Matt Roberts:Matt, you legend that is incredibly nice, Matt should we give him a non-Matt Roberts Matt tennis mat who's your favourite tennis mat Matt what's your favourite namesake

1:29:43Catherine Whitaker:yeah, I have a lot of favourite tennis mats actually I couldn't I couldn't choose between them I would say one of them is rebranded as a Matthew

1:29:56Catherine Whitaker:even though I knew him for years is as a Matt. He's now Matthew. Matthew Moffitt as well is one of my favourite tennis mats. Took part in our predictions. Now a great friend. And of course, Matt Futterman, who's in Miami, isn't he? So he is shouting out all of those mats.

1:30:16Matt Roberts:Matt, you're in great company. Thank you.

1:30:20Catherine Whitaker:We've also got Julie Smith from Lake Forest Park, Washington, near Seattle. David.

1:30:29Matt Roberts:hello Julie now we're talking Julie like Julie Chiendley the umpire

1:30:35Catherine Whitaker:that is a great shout I've got another one I've got

1:30:42David Law:I'm just checking I've got this right Julie Alar it's spelled Alard but it's Alar I can't believe it she's 55 years of age now god I feel so old she was a great player when I was young she got to the quarter finals of the Australian Open and the French Open in the fourth round of the Wimbledon and the US Open she was a lovely player to watch and she won the US Open doubles Julie Ella

1:31:16Catherine Whitaker:sensational work team with those Julies

1:31:21Matt Roberts:Julie you're welcome hope you're a Seahawks fan Of course she is

1:31:29Catherine Whitaker:And finally we have Trevor Chilton Who is from Texas

1:31:36Matt Roberts:Hello Trevor

1:31:37Catherine Whitaker:And Trevor has written a lovely dedication of this shout out To his mum, Beth Trevor says that Beth had a stroke in January of this year But as of the date submitting this form She's home, doing a lot better and Trevor says, I played tennis competitively as a kid and I don't think my mum missed a single match or practice for 10 years. For a woman who's never picked up a tennis racket and couldn't ever quite get the scoring system down, she was the most consistent and loyal tennis parent a kid could ask for. During the 2008 Wimbledon final, my mum allowed me to skip church but only on one condition.

1:32:20Catherine Whitaker:I had to text her updates at every changeover and let her know the score and in particular how Nadal was doing when she got home from church.

1:32:29Matt Roberts:Good parenting, Beth.

1:32:30Catherine Whitaker:When she got home from church, we were in a rain delay and then we both anxiously watched the rest of the match until it ended in darkness. I wouldn't be who I am today without my mum and I'm so grateful and proud to be her son, Trevor says.

1:32:46Matt Roberts:What a wonderful tribute. That is so lovely. and Beth we wish you continued good health and much more tennis watching in your future Trevor like David's dad in whose dining room we recorded the very first episode of the tennis podcast so there you go Trevor thank you to all of our friends of the tennis podcast we hope to see lots of you on the barge later can't wait it's been a fun tennis podcast we will be back on Thursday while Matt is playing golf in his new shoes thank you for listening we're part of the Athletic Podcast Network, we'll speak to you then