A Star is Born: with Liliana Soorin Kim

0:00Wow. Liliana, you're in your podcast era. I'm in my podcast era. Wow. Podcast diva. It's giving podcasts early. Liliana's bringing the diva to the podcast. It's great. Young diva, a.k.a. Liliana. I'm trying to do research. First rule of the show, no research. What? Get that weak shit out of here. Yeah, come on. We asked you to do this podcast, what, 12 minutes ago? I'm doing research. I'm trying to lock in before so I don't make a fool out of myself. A star is born. I'm in the shadows. Is that from the Star is Born? Yeah. Is that from the movie? That's Lady Gaga. Yeah, that's Lady Gaga. Yeah, yeah.

0:43You've never seen a Star is Born? No. I'm in the shadows. Watch as I dive in.

0:55Three, two, one. Caban. What's up? I think that's the intro. Which one? All that. Were you recording? Yeah, we were rolling. Okay, good. Because a star is born here on the podcast. Liliana Kim, aka Liliana, is in the building. Hi, queens. Wah, wah, wah, wah. Queens and divas stand up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The divas are taking over. Yes. Diva up. Yeah. Diva so up. Yeah. How are you doing today, Liliana? I'm doing really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad that you're doing this. Me too. I, yeah, I watched Talia Cotton's episode. Okay. Yeah. What do you think? I thought it was good. How many times have you listened to our podcast?

1:41Once? Talia Cotton? Maybe twice. I listened to one of Forrest's episodes as well. Shout out to Forrest. You know, shout out to Forrest. Shout out to Forrest. No, Kevin told me that I got a shout out from Talia. That's right. So I had to listen. Did you, you took a course with Talia? Is that how you know her? Yeah. I did a design program at Wix, like in Chelsea a few years ago. And she was like week one taught creative coding. And I've never taken a creative coding class before that. So I got to meet her then. I made a Bad Bunny one-year anniversary party website that was fully coded. Okay. It's still on.

2:27Yeah, it's still up. What's the URL? Yeah, where is it? It's like badbunny.netlify.com or something. We'll put it in the show notes. I don't know. Yeah. Well. Yeah. Here's a photo right here. This one's not video. This is an audio podcast. Oh, whatever. Liliana just used her hand to sort of showcase where it would appear on the YouTube. Yes. Yeah. It would be good if we could do that. Yeah. If we could find a guy who could make a YouTube video. Yeah. Yeah. You're a natural born podcaster. You know, you already know how to show things off. in video format for an audio medium. Yeah, no, I grew up watching YouTube.

3:07That's true. You are a 10Z girly. Yes. I've never seen you nervous. Not a day in my life. Really? Yeah, no, I can't say that I've ever seen you nervous. Liliana doesn't back down. She doesn't back down. Never back down, never give up. Cut the part out where I messed it up. No. Kevin does he'll edit you to sound so good love yeah yeah we'll put I'll put a little effort into editing wow did you hear that he'll do a little effort for you yeah I mean Kevin the show has got to come out thank you tomorrow thank you queen wow thank you Kevin I like your hat thanks it's on fire though yeah also your hat's on fire and her glasses they got pierced did you see these yes I've seen them she got her glasses pierced she's so is that the new thing yeah is that a new trend that we should know about i've been seeing people with those mayhaps i'm not so sure i just bought it because i thought it was cute yeah fair enough no shout out to kith did you buy them not pierce first and then you had to take them to a jeweler are those from kith they're from kith wow yes sir damn fancy ronnie feig is piercing sunglasses now shout out to my mom this is a grad gift shout out to my mom wow and my dad and shout out to college shout out to college yeah i just graduated yeah yeah lulana's been killing it here in the studio we just came off our our off site you know we had to take a break from all this design right podcasting it's not as easy as it looks online right you can attest to this is there's a lot of work that happens here what going on vacation no i'm saying that's the off site no we need to take a vacation from all the hard work yeah you know the designing and the podcasting that we do and the editing.

4:54We do other things. Yeah. Kevin made really good meat. I did. Thank you. Fire grill. Beautiful meals. You saw Chef Kevin. I sustained it. I did. I stood in the pocket through a grease fire. I got a really good photo of you. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I got a really good photo of Kevin. I ate so much steak. You made so much steak and I was like, it's my job to eat this. It was literally on fire. It's a business imperative. It was on fire like Lloyd as much steak as possible. Oh, did you eat it? I was slightly concerned. We persevered. We got it done. One thing about me is no matter the circumstances, I'm going to...

5:32Yeah, you don't back down, you don't quit. Just like Lil' Ana. I'm going to cook the meat to its desired internal temperature. Medium roar. And what is your desired barbecue temp? Medium roar. No, I mean... Yes, true. You got that. Oh, my desired barbecue, my desired grill temperature? Yeah, that's what people want to hear. I don't know. I mean, if I'm cooking steaks, you know, I want to be pushing like 600, but like a controlled 600. A controlled 600. I was at an out of control probably 800. Wow. Well. To the point where I turned the grill off and it was still going. I mean, it tasted good. It was a good time.

6:05We drank steak. We drank a million beers. We drank steak. We ate steak. We drank beers and we're back. Yeah. We're so back. We're so back. How you could be mad on vacation? How you could. Yeah. No. You can't be. But unfortunately, all vacation must come to an end. So we got to get back to the hard work, which is doing design and watching baseball, Kevin. Yeah. I'm in. You're in it. We're now. I'm now in it. You got me in it. Because as of right this minute in the wildcard standings of the National League, the New York Mets and the Cincinnati Reds both have the same number of wins. 66. We're coming.

6:44Yeah. Not good for our friendship. Yeah. Or this podcast. It's going to be tough. It could be tough, and I think I have to lock in. Yeah. Liliana, how do you feel about baseball? I love the atmosphere of going to a baseball game. I love the hot dogs and the beers involved, and I love going with my friends. Okay. Hell yeah. And the baseball guys are cute. Okay. This is at least 90 % of why people go to baseball games. Exactly. The beers, the hot dogs. The dumpers. I mean, I was going to say it. The dumpies. Yeah, and the guys. How do you feel about, do you know what the Savannah Bananas are? No.

7:27Okay. That's baby baseball. That's baby baseball. They made baseball for babies. It's called. Like actual babies? No, more like. Pretty much. Yeah, like six and eight year olds. Oh, cute. And they just have a bunch of like hot TikTok guys that can play baseball. And they do like, they actually sing like Taylor Swift songs. Oh. In the game. They put it on a good show. You got to give it up to them. I respect it, but it's also baseball for babies. Yeah, of course. They sell out stadiums. Two things can be true. Like huge numbers. Oh my God, really? Yeah. They're called the Savannah Bananas. I think you would appreciate them just for their creativity.

8:02They're trying to make baseball fun. It's like a whole team. Yeah. Alex, are you going to plug your marathon fundraising? Well, now that you bring it up, Kevin, I'm still running. What are you running from? Summer is winding down here, Kevin. We're in fake fall where we think that fall is here, but it's probably not the last of the humidity. But this weekend was hot as shit, dude. Yeah. It was too hot for me to be running 10 miles out there. Too damn hot. Too damn hot. I woke up with a bit of a limp. Everyone's here for the marathon updates, Lana. Everyone says, like, what's going on with the running, Alex?

8:45Tell me about the running. Uh, and, uh, yeah, no, I'm, I'm in pain. My body's falling apart now. You went for a run during the offsite too. I did. That was, that was a lot of hills. Nope. No pain, no gain. That's true. It turns out this, uh, this New York city marathon thing is a harder than it looks. Oh, sad. Yeah. Sad. But please donate to my car. I'm running for team for kids. They help kids. They help kids. Yeah. Yeah. What is it? Team for kids. Yeah. I'll put a link right here for me, Kevin. Shout out to the kids. Yeah, we love the kids. Shout out to the runners. Yeah, that's why we have Liliana here today.

9:28She represents all the kids that I'm running for. No, she's a resident young person. Are you the youngest person that has ever worked at Center? I don't think that's true. I think Hannah was 21. Was she 21 when she? Yeah. to the day do we know I don't know okay she's never come out on the podcast has she? no so you're the youngest person I mean I got it Kevin fact check I think so yeah wow good job oh my god my debut my podcast debut the youngest person oh actually that's not true Wedge brought their child. Oh, yeah. The baby. That was true. Baby on the pod. It was way younger than you. Yeah. Way.

10:23Right. So much younger. Younger than you. So much younger. We appreciate you being here. Yeah, thanks for coming on the pod. Of course. Thanks for having me. Yeah. We're going to run through some things going on in the world of design and branding. I'll do my best. As we do. And we are here simply to get your opinion. Wow. Just for me. We'll start with Man's Cereal. Oh, God. Man's Cereal is a new cereal brand by the good folks at Dayjob, same people that made high-protein David bars. Right. And Fly by Jang and all sorts of amazing brands. And Hornbulls, Chormbulls. Hornbulls, Chormbulls. They're back at it again.

11:00Man's Cereal, creatine, high-protein, keto, zero sugar. No BS. No BS. Lilana, is this for you? No. I'm not even a breakfast person so I would never really buy cereal well you don't have to eat it for breakfast you know you could eat it for lunch you could eat it for dessert nah no dessert cereal for you I only would do the Kellogg's the one with the tiger the frosted flakes with milk but the milk has to sit in the cereal for a little bit so you can get the juices. The mush is not the point. The milk gets a little sweet. So that's the only cereal I'll eat. But it has to be for breakfast. That's fair.

11:54It has to be for breakfast. You've never had cereal at nighttime? Maybe like once. I think it's a proper dessert. It's not a breakfast. It is certainly a dessert food. Really? I think it's best as dessert. The macros align with dessert. It's like eating a piece of pie or something with all the sugar and the carbs. I could be wrong. Girl, I don't know. I'll stay in our business and say that cereal should be dessert. You just said it with a lot of authority though. Yeah, I trust. I'm following your lead. I'm more of a Lucky Charms guy myself. I've actually never tried Lucky Charms. What? Wow. You're not really missing anything.

12:34What? You're dead wrong. I like Lucky Charms, but Lucky Charms are for babies, though. Have we done a Mount Rushmore of cereals, Kevin? Probably, but we could - Probably. Are you familiar with this concept? Yeah, Lilana, are you familiar with the concept? No, I don't know about this. What is this? Top four unranked. Huh? Top four unranked. Top four unranked. But she only said one. This is where we rank something with our top four favorite things. So for me, it would be Lucky Charms, Honey Nut Cheerios, Cinnamon Toast Crunch, and Fruit Loops. I love Fruit Loops. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I do love Fruit Loops.

13:11That's where I'm going. I'd take CT Crunch, Reese's Puffs, Frosted Mini Wheats, and Special K Chocolatey Delight. Wow. It's just how your cereal's locked in. Special K. Yeah. Wow. Okay. I would do the Frosted Flakes because I grew up on them. Yep. And then I would do these like Oreo O's. It has like a little marshmallow got in front. Those are busts. I'm familiar.

13:37I've never had Oreo O's. I'm looking at them up right now. They're really good. They're really good. They're fucked up. Those are dessert. That's just candy. Oh, and then there's, I don't think it's American, but it's this like brown square rectangle with like almost like mesh looking things. Are you talking about Frosted Mini Wheats? I had them in Korea. Listen, so I don't know what they are. But it has a little icon on it. She's really cute. Brown squares from Korea. That's number three. Yeah. And then Fruit Loops. I do like Fruit Loops. All right, great. There you go. There you go. You did it.

14:15Yeah. And nobody has man cereal on their Mount Rushmore. No. I would try man cereal, though. I'll be honest. I'm sure it's going to taste like shit. I'm sure it's going to be fucking epic with the maple bacon. Oh, my God, dude. Yeah. Classic man stuff. That shit's for man. Yeah, man. Man. That shit's for, I only eat maple bacon. That flavor's so weird. Like, why would they make a cereal but that flavor? Oh, it's for men. It's for men. Yeah, I don't know if you saw it. Right, I wouldn't get it. Man cereal. You wouldn't understand. Yeah, this isn't for you. I'm just not about that man life. Yeah, this is a man cereal.

14:49They also have a fruity flavor. I wake up in the morning, I eat my man cereal, and I wipe with a dude wipe. That's my routine. Is that a real thing? Yeah. Dude wipes. You've never heard of dude wipes? No. Wow. Sorry, guys. Men are getting all the products. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I do know what this is. I just never paid attention to it. Liliana, do you think more products should be gendered? Is that something that you believe? No. Yeah, I mean, I think this is a trend, though, officially. Dude wipes, man, cereal. yeah it's definitely people have been writing about it yeah i think it's just to try to piss people off as many people yeah we're trying to yeah they're trying to rage bringing rage bait to packaging yeah this is the rage baitification of packaging yeah we need to we probably need to start doing some rage bait i feel like i feel like you'd be great at those kevin i feel like you have lots of rage bait ideas oh yeah i'm really good at getting people to rage yeah so my entire personality is uh centered upon rage baiting yeah no you're right yeah i'm i'm i'm curious i would try it if they send it to me um i'm trying to i'm trying to dabble in creatine i've never tried dude if you're gonna dabble in creatine just take the take some powder like get like a trusted source of powder don't be fucking with the gummies don't be fucking with the cereals just like do it correctly yeah but what about the man's real thing you know i don't know man my breakfast i don't know man i get it with my breakfast though i probably wouldn't but you know yeah speaking of a rage baiting nicotina soda or it's energy drink so it's energy drinking yerba Yeah, hot off the press from Snack Shots.

16:23Yeah, shout out to Andrea. The only person, I believe, who's been covering this or got this inside scoop allegedly from a Florida-based founder. Wow. A Florida man. Of course it's from Florida. Yeah, classic. Nicotina, kind of cute though, right? Diva, very diva energy, nicotina. See, I mean, I don't know about nicotine drink. Like, do we really need to do all that? I don't think so. We're just living in wild times here. That's what they said about Zen pouches before they caught on. And look at them now. Yeah. Functional foods, functional bevs. This is innovation. This will certainly not pass regulations and get made.

17:07No. Oh, is this not real? No, this is a speculative drink. I think they are. This is AI, Kevin? No, it's not AI. I think, to my knowledge, I believe it is a drink that's being teased on Twitter to gain. Yeah, I think it's a real idea, real business, maybe. But it's being teased to gain hype and, you know, try to will its way into society, you know. Ah, interesting. So, Liquid Death, like, we create it and then we'll make it later. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure this is going to be like a regulatory nightmare. Well. Not to go there, not to be a lame, not to be a fed. Damn. You really, you're bringing in regulations into this?

17:47Kevin, I believe at least one of the stories in our topics today is AI. And I think it's the Carvel Chipotle one. No, that one's real. That one's real. No. I saw. That's not real. I saw Kit from The Bachelor, Matt James season. She was fire. And she's an influencer. Kit Keenan? Yeah. Is that it? I don't know. Kit Keenan. Okay. What's she up to? She's shilling for the Chipotle Carvel collab, which includes an avocado milkshake and a funfetti chip dip. That's not real. It's real. No. It's real. No. It's AI. No, it's real. I'm confused. Is this AI? It looks AI. The artwork is AI. The artwork is AI.

18:26Yeah, the artwork is definitely AI. But it's a real thing. I'm still not buying it, Kevin. Liliana, do you fuck with Chipotle? I love Chipotle. Yeah, there we go. I love Chipotle. Would you get this a girl? yeah what's your order okay i always get a bowl okay white rice no beans i don't like the texture but um and then i get extra fajita veggies i get steak nice but sometimes i'll do half chicken half steak okay and then i'll do cheese guac lettuce and a little bit of salsa and queso on the side wow um and cheese and a little bit of sour cream but what about an avocado milkshake Yeah, where do we stand on avocado?

19:12I bet it would be good. I don't think so. No, you don't think so? Yeah. I think avocado would pair extremely well with a nice vanilla ice cream. Really? Yeah. I think it'd make it extra creamy and deluxe. I don't like that. It's not a terrible idea. I'm also going to go on a limb and maybe I'm just hungry, but the sprinkles chip dip is kind of intriguing to me. Yeah. A salty chip into a funfetti type dipping. sauce we might have to order some chipotle i i kind of think i could fuck with that really yeah i don't know something about the salty sweet it's weird but it i don't know i don't think it's i i think both these things are gonna taste very good because they've been engineered and designed to taste very good well i'm saying i don't know i like carvel too i'm just gonna say it i grew up in a town that had a carvel i'm a big car it ain't no dairy queen i'll tell you that it's better in Dairy Queen.

20:09No, Carvel is where, is one of the great American fans. DQ is where it's at. I love Dairy Queen. Yeah, DQ is where Dairy Queen, hands down. I don't think we have a Dairy Queen in New York, right? No, there's been a lot of talk online about somebody needing to build one in Times Square. Literally. A Dairy Queen? Yeah, that'd be so far. Who wants to invest? No, Carvel is way better. No, it's not. Carvel is one of the great American institutions. No way. You're wrong here, and I will die. Carvel is old and dusty maybe maybe they invented the ice cream cake but dq perfected the ice cream cake no dq ice cream cakes are so fucking good just chemicals the ratios yum dude they're both they're both that let's let's don't get it twisted like a chocolate vanilla twist alex they're both they're both that but dq is far superior you know what's really gross cold stone cold stone creamer i disagree.

21:05Cold stone's great. I think cold stone's pretty good. That's extra chemical. Dude, they got they got birthday cake. They got they got a lot of good flavors there. Yeah. And don't they have like toppings? Yeah. And they like they get the spatulas out and they fuck it up. Yeah. They mix it up a little bit. It's good stuff. I think it's cute. It's called no cold they got a cold stone that they they mix all their toppings on. I do. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. No. It's ice cream with a show. It's like, yeah, the worst off-Broadway show you've ever seen. I'm not seeking it out, but I'm going to stand up and defend.

21:42Oh, I'm going to make this ice cream right in front of you. It's like, I don't need you to make it. I just want to eat it. Just scoop it. You're wrong about DQ. DQ is so good. A blizzard? Agreed. Carvel doesn't even have blizzards. I like their chocolate show. What the fuck does? Yeah. Yeah. That one's fire. No, they have like some sort of shake quake thing. A shake quake is not a blizzard. Yeah, but it's the same concept. Oh, it's called a Carvalanche. A Carvalanche? Yeah. Fake ass blizzard. Fire, fire. Fuck Carvalanche. Shout out to Carval. Carval only in times of need when you can't locate another DQ to get an ice cream cake.

22:18Wrong. Okay, we got to move on. Kevin, it's no secret that summertime is a hot dog season. And this summer, the grilling staple is trending with more than 1.5 million posts across social media. However, for the 20 million plus Americans who identify as vegetarian or vegan, current offerings fall short and hosts struggle to satisfy both meat lovers and plant-based guests. Today, Oscar Mayer debuts the Every Bun Pack offering something for every plate at the party. So I guess the concept here, Kevin, Oscar Mayer, half hot dogs, half not hot dogs. How do we feel about this? It ain't right. Yeah. Really?

22:58Yeah, get these fake ass hot dogs. Wait, so it's like hot dogs on half of the side? No, that would be crazy. It's two four packs. One's a regular hot dog and one's a plant-based hot dog. Wait, that's kind of a good idea for all my vegetarian friends. Shout out to my vegetarian friends. Yeah. Yeah, who knew Oscar Mayer was getting into the plant-based hot dog game? Yeah. Nice. This is what Joey Chestnut got in trouble for, right? Eating these fake dogs. I think it was impossible. but yeah i'm just gonna i'm gonna say something also i still don't like the new oscar meyer branding it just feels it actually looks ai to me and i know it's real but it looks like something about the softness of the typeface i think that's what ai does yeah you know it's like ai has ruined the m dash like if you were ever someone that used a lot of m dashes in your copy yeah you can't know you can't you're fucked i feel like the same thing about this soft ass typeface that they're using.

23:54It feels like it's reading as AI. So that's my opinion on it. Also this is a collaboration between Oscar Meyer and GoPuff. Oh really? Which I'm going to say this. GoPuff came out so hot and hard. They were everywhere marketing. I feel like it's only weeks before they're dead. I don't know why. Are you GoPuffing? No, not anymore. I feel like it's just become something that's inside of Seamless and Uber Eats. Yeah. That's good for them, I think. Is it? I don't know. I feel like there's too many options. Yeah, there's 100 % too many options. Like Instacart, Uber Eats. I say just take your ass to the store.

24:42Yeah, take your ass to the store. True. Walk home with the groceries. Lana, do you do delivery food? what's your stance on groceries and or delivery meal services or meal? If it's like something that I can't get and like when I used to live in Baltimore and I didn't have a car, I would use these apps because it would be such a hassle for me to get to the grocery store and back. But in New York, I'd rather just walk and go get stuff that I need. Baltimore is a car city. Yeah. Almost every city in America is a car. But not New York. So after you get off of work and you're going home and you're going to go do your diva stuff, you're picking up dinner and bringing it home?

25:27Are you ordering dinner in? Are you cooking? I'm cooking. You're cooking. I'm cooking or I have a menu planned out. Like if I'm really craving Wingstop. Like the night before, I'll be on TikTok, right? And I see like a mukbang on Wingstop. And I'll be like, okay. You're the most Gen Z person I've ever met, by the way. You're just the combination of words you put together. Just keep going. So sometimes like if I crave something, then I know that I'll pick it up on my way home, right? Influenced by TikTok. Influenced by TikTok or influenced by myself. Okay. From my brain. That's fair. That I'm craving.

26:04That's fair. But if not, then if I already have groceries, then I'm like excited to cook and I know what I want to cook. How many nights a week are you cooking? Probably like four. That's pretty good. Yeah. That's pretty good. But I don't like to meal prep. So I have to cook every night. That's tough. Got it. So you're going to the store or you just have ingredients? I just buy a week worth of groceries and then I'll just like. And you get that from the store? You go to the store, pick it up, bring it home? Yeah. Okay. I'm just curious. I don't do that. Oh. I do fresh drinks. Listen, I like my groceries to come to me.

26:38You know? Get your steps in though. Get your steps in. I'm getting my steps in. Oh, true, true. He's running. He's running. He's running. I need less steps. um wait you're running shut up kevin okay real quick back to wing stop um i've never been really never once um how are the wings i like it i'm so hungry on this podcast this is such a bad idea to do a podcast right before i know you're just hungry i'm only gonna talk about food so what's your order at wings so i've actually never had a wing stop until my friend said shout out to sydney she put me on shout out to sydney um we got wing stop once and i was like wait this is way better than buffalo wild wings no you don't think so no i think it's i think the wings at buffalo wild wings it's not sauced enough okay there's there's lack of sauce that's fair but wing stop i'm as i'm putting the wings on my mouth that is it's dripping it's juicy and the ranch there is so good yeah it's a certain type of ranch i think they put mayo in it or something my friend told me the secret but i low-key forgot i think there's mayo in all every ranch oh well maybe extra maybe extra mayo i don't know but they do have good ranch is really good and with the fries and the ranch is really good and a little bit of carrots literally buss really yes i'm into this i also you just reminded me of a breaking story that came out yesterday that Popeyes reintroduced their wings with an all new lineup featuring a new mild marinated base on bone just in time for a football season.

28:15So I guess some retooling in the lab in the offseason and they look pretty good. Really? Yeah. So Popeyes is coming for this wing stop throne. I just heard you called. He's so happy. They have buffalo dry rub, garlic parm dry rub, lemon pepper dry rub, ghost pepper dry rub. Honey barbecue now served on a mild base. What does that mean? A mild base? Yeah. A mild. Like classic? It's like a sauced wing, bold. Again, too hungry. Too hungry to talk about all of the food topics we have? Yeah. Pretty much primarily food this week. It's an all food podcast. I will say one thing about Popeyes. I think they need to bring back their nuggets.

29:00Okay. Their nuggets are so good. Do you agree? I've never had their nuggets. Okay. But I respect the take. I think they make very good fried chicken. I agree. At Popeye's? Yeah. They make very good fried chicken. If you go to a good location, then it low-key tastes like Korean fried chicken. Oh, yeah? Yeah, low-key. Okay. Fire. I haven't been to the one in Greenpoint in a minute, but they're okay. I remember the Greenpoint one being solid. Yeah. It's not a great. I mean, the past two Popeye's locations I've been to have been, you know, the ones that maybe you don't really want to go to at times that you probably definitely don't want to go to.

29:35Real. Yeah. Just I had a chicken sandwich. I had probably been sitting out for two hours. Yeah. Under the lamp. Yeah. That's great. But I still haven't had Raising Cane's. I passed one the other day. That's bust. I was. Am I right? I think it's kind of mid. Oh. That's my hot take. Yeah. That's your hot take. I know I'm going to think it's mid. That's why I can't. myself to do it. It's really all about the sauce. It's all about the cane sauce. Oh, you like the sauce? I like the sauce. Yeah. I love a mayonnaise-based sauce. Love. I need like extra sauce. I need like three sauces at Raisin Cane's.