Live @ Forum: with Bryan-K. Lamonde and Ariane Leblanc

23:39Ariane Leblanc:I also heard there's some beef with Toronto. Is there a Montreal Toronto beef or is that... Yes. We got first crowd participation here today. Talk to us about this beef with Toronto. What's up with Drake? Why do we not support him? He's not like us. Am I right?

23:58Bryan-K. Lamonde:No.

24:01Ariane Leblanc:I'm not going to comment on that.

24:03Bryan-K. Lamonde:Yeah, I mean, you don't. Okay, fine. Oh, man, we're off to a hot start.

24:06Ariane Leblanc:Okay. Do you think there's a Montreal design aesthetic? Let's go there. Because to my eyes, there seems to be a sort of tasteful simplicity, minimalism, craft, and maybe not that much chaos. So where do you guys, do you think there is something that is distinctly Montreal design-wise? And then can you see it, like when you see it out in the world?

24:36Bryan-K. Lamonde:Yeah, I think there's no style, but it's a room tone of, you know, kind of quality of design. But still, you know, rooted in somehow like Swiss modernism, where we come from at some point, you know. like really European we're like a little Europe in North America also here so I think there's an effect on that but still I think the relation with small studios and small studio comes with a certain solution that there's more tight or I don't know just like really honest and really there and always pushing as we say always together and in the same direction, but with no, you know, mission together at some point.

25:28Ariane Leblanc:And you've had your studio for 15 years. Can we make some noise for that? That's insane.

25:37Ariane Leblanc:How has it changed? How have you seen the scene change over the last 15 years?

25:43Bryan-K. Lamonde:Oh, my God.

25:44Ariane Leblanc:Big questions only on this show. Big questions only. Uh-huh. Sorry.

25:49Bryan-K. Lamonde:Insightful. Well, the things have changed a lot. I don't know exactly why, but if you take a screenshot 15 years ago in the city, it was really less homogeneity, which I think is good at some point. But, you know, the level of design was, you know, a little weaker, I will say. I just want to be prudent because I have a lot of respect of people. Yeah, of course. It's just like, you know, we do really good stuff at that moment. But now it's just so good. It's just the level. I'm really proud of that, honestly. But maybe it's related to the school also, you know. UCAM is playing a big role. Dawson is a big role also.

26:41Bryan-K. Lamonde:Université Laval in Quebec also. So the more you have good school, the more you produce good designers.

26:51Ariane Leblanc:Yeah, and they're staying too. So what do you think it is that makes them stay? Like what makes the talent stay? Stay in Montreal, you say?

26:58Bryan-K. Lamonde:Well, jobs.

27:00Ariane Leblanc:Fair enough.

27:02Bryan-K. Lamonde:Yeah, and I think many people are really francophone. You don't want to go to France to do design. So, yeah, at some point, I think people say, and some people go. Many people are going in New York City or in California, work for Apple. We've heard of them.

27:26Ariane Leblanc:Ariane, why was it important to start a studio here in Montreal for you?

27:32Bryan-K. Lamonde:I don't think it's Montreal. Don't look at the collage.

27:36Ariane Leblanc:Don't look at the collage. See, I told you it's going to distract you, but just don't look.

27:40Bryan-K. Lamonde:Now that you mention it, it's just context. I wasn't in particular in wanting to establish myself in Montreal, but I wanted to leave Montreal earlier in my career. I didn't want to be here. I lived in London, as you mentioned, and I came back. I was in Montreal for a bit, then I went to Toronto, then I came back so my relation to Montreal and design is sort of not seamless the prodigal daughter it's what the prodigal daughter yeah well so it just yeah context I met my Martha partner shout out to here and he should answer that because he was the one who wanted to start a studio

28:33Ariane Leblanc:so how's it going so we we've been doing our studio for eight years so we're in the center of you two three and 15 roughly i'm not a math guy so obviously new to the founder life uh you know running projects having a team payroll all the fun stuff of being a design studio founder

28:58Bryan-K. Lamonde:how's it going it's great it's a lot of work but it's really fun and actually brian is always super helpful always open door like the caserne boys always super transparent shout out yeah like a bunch of studios super open door like you message them all the time like i remember messaging you or even the Kazem boys, like, how much do you pay this type of person? Like, they're very transparent. Always, like, call us if you need it. There's no taboo about, you know. So nice. We're really transparent and it really helps, you know, the business side of what we're doing. And I feel like we're not, like, we're all doing slightly different things, so we're not really looking for the same complex or...

29:50Bryan-K. Lamonde:Right? It does seem like people are

29:52Ariane Leblanc:supportive of one another. Sorry, yeah, don't get distracted I told you you know of one another and sort of yeah Kevin come on of one another and all the work and that doesn't surprise me that people open up their doors and open up their payroll and say hey this is how we do it that do that's pretty rare I think yeah yeah I

30:12Bryan-K. Lamonde:think that's the general vibe I am I think in the room many people will agree on that and maybe for your question about 15 years ago I don't think that was this exactly you know I think that's something that's really great and just doing party together like at Principal we do two parties per year like it's really something fun and there's also Kazen with the forum so you just like meeting people feels more you know if you're close to the humans that's doing that happen but we're not shy to to fail by being transparent so i think this is really beautiful and this really Montreal but it's still intimidating i remember meeting Brian for the first time

31:00Ariane Leblanc:okay please tell us the story your first impressions and uh yeah i remember it because i didn't i

31:07Bryan-K. Lamonde:didn't know him i know of him and it was after Brian Collins conference and i remember i was like okay this is my time to go say hello like i'm like oh i hate to do that yeah yeah and all i knew was that our sons have the same name so like that's that's my that's my line we knew that we did the research we know we know so it's like hi it's like cool and i'm like apparently your sons have the same name it's like oh cool and then we talked about the spelling and then i was like i don't know what else to say. And I just left him. And then I was like, oh, he's actually really cool. Because in my head he's a very rigorous person.

31:52Bryan-K. Lamonde:The word, principal, it's research. And I was like, I can't. But we're super chill at the end. We relate. We can talk.

32:00Ariane Leblanc:He loves grids. He talked about grids yesterday. But you are, you know, you are color outside the lines, Brian. You know, I was impressed as well. That was, you know, I had a similar reaction when we first met yesterday or two days ago. I thought when I met you, it went really, it was seamless. Just an instant connection.

32:23Bryan-K. Lamonde:Yeah, yeah. The vibes were electric. The vibe, yeah, yeah. I remember just on the Zoom call, just instant friends. Do you want us to leave?

32:30Ariane Leblanc:Do you guys, do you need the couch for yourself? You guys, you guys, I thought there was a spark there just between the two of you we're just hanging out yeah maybe later yeah do you guys embrace chaos um that's the theme of the conference i think our show we try to uh yeah bring as much chaotic energy as possible i you know i as a guy that loves grids where's where's the chaos in your life brian

32:59Bryan-K. Lamonde:everywhere you can you know my team is there you just i'm i'm the chaos in the studio i'm just like I bring, you know, energy, pretty much a good vibe. But, you know, in a chaotic way, you know, just always talk at the wrong moment. We're in an open studio, but I make sure that there's always a certain amount of chaos. And, you know, it struggles sometimes people. And I understand that. But I think it's necessary to be on balance because you're not, we're so, you know, rigorous and, you know, intellectual sometimes. sometimes. So, you know, a bit of fire, you're just like, it's, it's great. You know, you just like have some, you know, pure energy.

33:41Bryan-K. Lamonde:So I think, you know, with my, my curly hair and, you know, my gesture and talking really loud, I'm sure they recognize me. That's sick.

33:51Ariane Leblanc:I am the chaos. Yeah.

33:52Bryan-K. Lamonde:Yeah. That's a great quote. I'm, I'm a part of the chaos because there's always, you know, things.

33:58Ariane Leblanc:He's backtracking on the chaos.

33:59Bryan-K. Lamonde:so yeah i'm not backtracking on the chaos i'm just not just the chaos because i i love at some point chaos but in in a certain you know it's great we're giving a positive spin to chaos

34:13Ariane Leblanc:because oftentimes uh you know there's a lot of people in my life who say you are so chaotic and it's never been in like a positive way so i'm just i'm happy we're here celebrating chaos in the positive sense yeah yeah you need to embrace the good chaos from your little troop taught us that it's it's it's good it can be good chaos if you just say it's good chaos and your work is

34:34Bryan-K. Lamonde:incredible that comes out of it yeah okay chaos sometimes is complexity but unsolved so yeah

34:42Ariane Leblanc:we're working on that all right on the work of marta feels like it balances those two things the sort of rigorous order and then the chaos is that purposeful do you lean in like where do you guys fit in?

35:00Bryan-K. Lamonde:I think it's just due to the nature of Guillaume and I being very two different people.

35:08Ariane Leblanc:Tell us more about what makes you guys different.

35:13Bryan-K. Lamonde:Well, skill-wise, we have different skills, different visions. We say that all the time on the calls and I don't know. Yeah, I think it's true, But Guillaume is more the future, high-level sort of system. I'm on the data, the business side of thing. I like art direction, craft. I do everything by hand. He's more on the computer system. But this is where all of these things come together and make sense or make work that's interesting for us. Because if we were both doing the same thing, I don't know. I see no point in doing that. So we have a lot of discussion, disagreements, and friendly debates.

36:01Bryan-K. Lamonde:So I think this is where it creates sort of... But I think where we meet is the humor. And we talked about low brow, high brow. Low brow, high brow. Yeah, yeah. I think this is where we meet the humor. We love humor. And we like that there's always a bit of fun and levity. That's something really strong on Marta. The humor is just so good. Just like we're not saving lives, but we're just trying to have fun. But also we do big projects and there's ways to make that happen and not be like too crazy. They always made stickers and, you know, just to put everywhere. So just like being a little bit everywhere.

36:39Bryan-K. Lamonde:We made stickers. That's so cool.

36:42Ariane Leblanc:I got that one. Let's go to my fridge. Yeah. Here you go. Yeah. As a Montreal design scene, I feel like there's a lot of class and sophistication. domestication. And so from my perspective, I'm a guy that loves trashy reality television. We also just got here three days ago. We also just got here three days. We've got a very shallow view. Yeah. Just gross generalizations of an entire population. But what lowbrow, because we talked about like highbrow, lowbrow stuff. What guilty pleasures do you guys have as individuals? Brian looks nervous. Guilty pleasure? He just looked at me and said, no, no.

37:21Bryan-K. Lamonde:Yeah, I don't know exactly. Guilty pleasure, if I guilty pleasure, I really, you know, I don't know exactly how to answer that, but I certainly love really bad jokes. It's not a guilty pleasure, but, you know, it's create tensions and, you know, in the way we're trying to achieve like greatness and excellence and, you know, with the grid and, you know, all that stuff. But, you know, I'm trying to push a bit and seeing bad ideas or bad jokes is really like, you know, a pleasure that I have, you know, really on the backbone. And I think, you know, I can't operate without this kind of, you know, whatever energy I can bring.

38:07Bryan-K. Lamonde:And, you know, that's, yeah, that's a guilty pleasure. Maybe it's maybe straight for as an answer, but that's true.

38:13Ariane Leblanc:Bad ideas. I bring a lot of bad ideas to my studio. My team is very comfortable telling me that my ideas are bad. Right, Kevin? Absolutely. Yeah, they love to tell me. Arianne, what are we talking? Guilty pleasures here.

38:27Bryan-K. Lamonde:I don't know if it's that guilty, but we certainly have reality shows here in Quebec. And it's actually, it's new that I watch it because I realize everyone's talking about it constantly. Yes. And I felt left out. And I was like, that's what people talk every day. And Guillaume's a massive reality TV guy. Really? What does he watch? So I feel like I need to connect on this. Okay. So I'm like, I need to, yeah. It's kind of fun.

38:55Ariane Leblanc:It's important to turn your brain off. I find that after a long day at the graphic design company, you got to kind of find a way to unplug. Is that something, Brian, that you do unplug from the system? Or are you just always on? Always bringing the good vibes to the function?

39:15Bryan-K. Lamonde:It's crazy, but, you know, I'm quite always on. You know, I'm just like having problems to just, when I don't work, I think about work. But, you know, it's just like, you know, it's my way. I love that. I'm just, I talk about that all, you know, just like I have the rage of that somehow. Rage? You know, rage. You know, you know the thing about rage. when you you got the rage the first symptom just to you know to get it to other person

39:46Ariane Leblanc:yeah i didn't know that i didn't know about this either do you want to go deeper here i think we

39:51Bryan-K. Lamonde:unlock something yeah but but i i think the um uh i i think what's keeps me like uh down to earth is really my family yeah and that's really really important for me i just i don't negotiate with the time with my family so it's it's create boundaries where I really really respect so for me just like the success of my you know profession it's just being able to manage that in a really good way so I think you know I'm some some sometimes I meet people that are really proud to work all the time and they're you know so we just like having a kind of able to have a balance in life

40:33Ariane Leblanc:it's just okay so well that's good it's good to hear that you're not thinking about grids on

40:37Bryan-K. Lamonde:vacation well i talk about grid and sound serious with my son so he knows the difference between yeah you know because at some point i want someone to you know the principal at some point

40:50Ariane Leblanc:and pay me for that let the boy watch wow is a succession is is he gonna take over the family biz? I don't know.

40:58Bryan-K. Lamonde:I have two partners also. Oh, okay. Yeah.

41:01Ariane Leblanc:Murder them. That's the only way. Geez. But grids, you got to pass that down. Also a mother. I noticed there's a lot, there were a ton of kids flowing around everywhere. And I love that. It's amazing that everyone sort of embraces parenthood and sort of intersection of design and sort of grid systems and children. trim yeah um how has that changed your uh you know sort of practice and how you see your work

41:29Bryan-K. Lamonde:i find that i mean i love it i love my kids i love um i know that on the days where i don't have him i can keep working forever but on the days that i have him i i stop working but it's essentially like we're just we do creative things together to me that's very valuable and like looking at him learning how to do something or how to draw and i see the creativity within him and that to me is fascinating like i do bring back that to work after like he's just yeah he's just shows it shows yeah on your work yeah but i love to teach him about like all these things not like fonts and things like that just like i know i'm not interested in that but just unlocking his creativity to me is is how i shut down but it's all related that's sick like little troop like little troops um talk was really inspiring to me how how everything merges together their family life and their creative work to me i feel similar nothing i've often said that work-life balance is

42:37Ariane Leblanc:bullshit and uh i'm glad and my team hates it when i say that but i'm glad that little troop is uh here and also embracing the sort of the intersection, right? Because the work is our lives. We put so much into it. It is important to find time for ourselves, but we'd be lying to ourselves if we didn't think that it's, it's always on, it's always there. It's always something that we're thinking about. And for you guys, it's in two languages. That's the thing that I'm most impressed by. Also chaotic in so many ways. Like I'll witness conversations here where two people are speaking to each other in two different languages and that's totally normal all the time for you guys how many of your clients speak English versus French and like talk to me about sort of that chaos because to me that seems challenging I mean for us it's I don't know

43:31Bryan-K. Lamonde:how many but most of them are in English I'd say I don't know what maybe seven so I don't know in the States somewhere here. But for me, it's very normal because when I came back here, everyone I ended up working with was an Anglophone. So I just ended up doing business in English. But, I mean, I saw a poster earlier that had three language up there. That's too many languages.

43:58Ariane Leblanc:Include them all. Is it double the languages, double the money? Is that how it works here? Yes. Great question, Kevin. It should be. And on packaging, because you guys do a lot of packaging, we do a lot of packaging. Got to be really difficult to find that space for too many, that many letters. Sorry, that was a very logistical graphic design. Yeah, and then you end up doing copywriting also.

44:22Bryan-K. Lamonde:In French, they sort of rely on you to, you'll check out the French, right? We're working with Italian people, but yeah, it's a lot of fun. but it's a reality. That's why I look for solutions. For long-term solutions. And you know, sometimes, you know, at Principal, we've been in some project of signage and somehow, depending with who you work, you have like to have like the English should be 70 % smaller. Yeah, no, 30 % smaller. so imagine like having to lay out with that constraint it's just so bad i'm gonna get my

45:06Ariane Leblanc:alcohol we're talking about 30 percent you know so it's just like you know a nightmare when you

45:13Bryan-K. Lamonde:have to these kind of rules but still i understand the topic but you know it's just like bad constraints it might just get used to it after a while just like knowing that you're gonna have You can be, yeah, absolutely. Now, especially, you know, these days, we have like a new rule for sign, signage for, you know, your shops or restaurant or whatever. If your name is in English, you have like, you know, what you do. Translation. Yeah, kind of a translation, but really big underneath. So just like, you imagine, I can't imagine.

45:48Ariane Leblanc:Yeah, the dumb American brain cannot fathom working in two languages. We barely speak English. And we've done 220 episodes. You would think by this point we'd get the hang of it, but no. No, no. Question for you guys, as far as, you know, the design community here and sort of the sort of camaraderie, you talk about sort of the friendship. Do you see that there is that sort of competition or do you guys feel like there's mostly friend friendliness throughout the group?

46:24Bryan-K. Lamonde:Well, sorry, I can talk for myself. You know, I'm just like my greater competitor are my best friends. You know, we're just like really, really have a good time. I think about Leo, Dan from Paprika. So it's just like, you know, Martha also. And, you know, they all go, they all came to the party at Principal. And we're just like super proud of everyone, what's doing, you know. Sometimes you don't have the contract.

46:53Ariane Leblanc:I can't get them to talk any, no. It sucks when you don't have the contract, right?

46:58Bryan-K. Lamonde:but you know it's great when you you know i mean you probably have a better take because you've had it over and over but for us now it's usually um not direct to clients but it's not like we're against other three montreal studios and we feel like ah like it's just so for me yes yeah

47:20Ariane Leblanc:how has covid i imagine because in the montreal design world and brian and you know i imagine 15 years ago, you were mostly working for Montreal-based clients, right? And now, because of COVID and the greatest invention of our time, Zoom, you can work with any client anywhere, and it doesn't really matter where you're from. Has that opened up the world of possibility here?

47:49Bryan-K. Lamonde:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It changed, you know, I won't say everything, but many things at Principal, we start doing project internationally like in London, especially in US also. It's good to be paid in US, by the way. We have a great government. That's what everyone says about our government. That's why my English is better now because I speed up learning because I come from Quebec City. I was listening to all my movies in French. I was talking you you don't talk in English in public city it's really Montreal something but you know it's helped me to just like speed up my English but it helps the studio also to just you know it's easier because you don't have to pay for you know traveling and sometimes you know just like and that's a but it opens the market also because we work a lot with museum at principal.

48:48Bryan-K. Lamonde:There's not much museum in Montreal. So you know, you can just continue to serve something.

48:56Ariane Leblanc:I wore this jersey for you because I love this logo. It's an igloo playing hockey and that's what I just like to call great graphic design. You know? Yeah, that's so great. That's really Keb, right? Like an igloo playing hockey. Is that what it is? Did you look that up? Yeah. Brian, can you fact check? This is an igloo playing hockey? Totally. Yeah. Shout out to Alex from St. Urbane. He gave me this. He lent it to me and also helped with some of the collage. So shout out to him. It's it's so great.

49:26Bryan-K. Lamonde:Don't look at the collage.

49:28Ariane Leblanc:Yeah. I was talking to Ariane. She got distracted by the collage again. But let's talk about the Montreal history. Right. The greatest Olympic logo of all time comes from Montreal. Everyone knows that the Montreal Expos logo. One of the best, if not the best baseball logo of all time. Expo 6-7? Yes. Y 'all got 6-7 up here? Kevin loves a 6-7 bit. Me too, me too. He's really keeping 6-7 alive. Actually, it's universal. Yeah, and I'm glad that it's still here in Montreal. Transcends French and English. That's true. It's the universal language of the internet, baby. Yeah, the internet. 6-7 is universal, international.

50:11Ariane Leblanc:What was I saying? We were talking about the history of Montreal graphic design, greatness. Brian, tell us, what's your favorite logo? And name three fonts.

50:22Bryan-K. Lamonde:Yeah, well, I will say the city of Montreal logo. It's nice. It's a flower. In Toronto, that's a building, their logo. So just like tells who we are. And maybe that's why I love it. So yeah, yeah, I'm really too into history. I'm not an historian, as you say, you know, as an intro, but I really love this legacy of what Montreal, you know, was and became also because of that. You know, it was like, you know, having a universal exhibition and having Olympic, it's just like a really, really big deal for our city. So obviously it's something, but it creates something so great. So that's really like real roots I found into this graphic design modernism of Canada.

51:11Bryan-K. Lamonde:And, you know, that becomes kind of part of a national identity somehow. There's, you know, tons of Europeans are just came to Montreal and established themselves and work. Now, you know, on these great icons we have. So, yeah, I think it translates something that we are in somehow. And, you know, they've done a really good job, by the way. So, no, it's still alive because it's good. So, I really love that.

51:41Ariane Leblanc:Do you find that great legacy of design, do you think that influences the work today? Or is that something to push up against?

51:46Bryan-K. Lamonde:Or both? At first, I think, you know, it inspires us, you know, because it's still relevant. and I love things that, you know, you don't have to replace things. But I'm sure, you know, people are working against this, you know, kind of, you know, they really want to bring chaos, which I found really good, honestly. It's not because I think in a certain way that I want a city that is really homogeneistic. So, yeah, I think it's cool to be pushed against that. And even at Principal, we push against some things because it's not one size fit all. I think it's really Montreal also to be really diverse, really open, really, you know, messier because we're not clean, as you say, you know.

52:31Bryan-K. Lamonde:You just arrive and you see portfolios of studios with good case studies and, you know. But it turns out, look at, you know, there's a lot of chaos. And I quite love that at some point, depending. Do you agree? I agree.

52:50Ariane Leblanc:She agrees. Kevin, where do you want to go from here? Where do you got? I got a question. Brian, as the self-proclaimed chief and lover of the design Montreal scene, what are your main duties and what's your day to day look like in that title? As a lover in chief? Yeah. Brian told us that he's the lover in chief of the Montreal design community.

53:13Bryan-K. Lamonde:I dropped that in the Zoom meeting, but yeah, I think I'm a really great lover and I think I'm known for it. I think I'm known for that also. That's a great lover. I give more than I take, honestly. Damn right. Damn right. Yeah, that's my vibe. If you want, no, imagine everyone's doing that. Yeah, imagine. The world would be a better place. Yeah, yeah. I think that's the vibe. That's the vibe at the studio also. And then that's the vibe in general, no? Soon. I'm a bit lost. Lovers-in-chief is maybe, you know, big, but yeah. I love loving people, and especially those who commit on what they do, and, you know, they're just like nice people, and, you know, you recognize yourself.

54:07Bryan-K. Lamonde:Just all these people are just great. Didn't some guy say, like, the love you make is greater or equal to the love you take? No, no, no. I don't care if they love me. it's just not that we're just like you know you're really good i'm proud you just keep you gotta give you do just like man you know let's go this beautiful stuff guys really just beautiful

54:29Ariane Leblanc:um how important is forum right it's this is the fifth year of forum it is this incredible design conference we have some of the best designers in the world on this stage today i might never do design again but after seeing just such incredible work from so many people like how important is forum and off and these conferences that come here and just you know grace the stage and show off such incredible great work and bring the community together

54:59Bryan-K. Lamonde:um i was fortunate enough to attend all the editions so far and i remember the first one in the old port i think it was just after the pandemic or around the time so essentially like it was like the first gathering of designers so everyone's kind of like like we haven't seen each other what do we do with our hands and I you gave a talk I remember but everyone was so excited after like it was like so rare that we get to all be in the same space and I think each year like there was a hype around it and I mean today it was a crazy lineup like I think there's always people are very inspired after honestly to keep working and to just bring that talent and there's always like a Montreal representation also so it's nice yeah yeah really shout out to you know the guys at Kazem are just like so great thanks guys for you know doing this because yeah let's make some noise for them yeah they rock it's super important to be together at some point it's it's really hard to be together because we have our crazy jobs and crazy deadlines and you know making space you imagine organize your studio and you're organized you know this it's just so big yeah but i i think i found this really generous they all and you know it's so generous that everyone is together you know we talk to each other not on dm so just like real people but no but no it's the platform here just like makes it happen there are gonna be a party tomorrow yes there's a party tomorrow so is that gonna freaking pop off or what everyone should be there

56:49Ariane Leblanc:right everyone should be there sure yeah everyone should be there it's at foil gallery designed by martha whoa fun yes and i think that might be a great place to end because i i think what's so great about the design world is the people and the community. And for me, I've been here for the past few days, being a part of both off and forum and meeting people and getting to share our stories and talk about the work we do and sort of, yeah, just be in this together. And so that's really important. I think the community, especially at this moment right now. It's a beautiful thing. As we are going through moments of change, and I think personally, I think it's really important to come together and not compete against each other and just love one another.

57:49Ariane Leblanc:Right, Brian?

57:50Bryan-K. Lamonde:Bring this vibe to New York.

57:52Ariane Leblanc:Yeah, and that's what we're trying to do with this podcast. Absolutely. We realized halfway through that we were doing promo for all of our competitors as an agency. but that's why we love doing it because we love to to meet uh our fellow studio founders and people and learn from them and so yeah let's just one more time make some noise for the forum people for putting this together and making this happen um and thank you to our incredible guys yeah thank

58:26Bryan-K. Lamonde:you so much you're so generous and just listen to their podcast oh wow it's so great you know you're having fun

58:35Ariane Leblanc:thank you we got through our first live podcast and we made it I didn't know how to end it but I had an idea I don't know if it's a good idea but I just believe it's a bad idea

58:57Ariane Leblanc:you're gonna make us cry you're gonna make us cry I just have to admit that it's all coming back to me

59:12Ariane Leblanc:It's all coming back to me It's all coming back to me It's all coming back to me There were things I never drew again