Billie Eilish

28:24It's unbelievably amazing. I've forced so many people to watch it. Spirit, unbelievable film. Have seen it so many times. Animated. It's a horse. Oh, Spirit, the horse movie. Yes, the horse girl. I am a horse girl. And you proved my theory. Jennifer Lawrence was in here. She's a horse girl. Yes, I know this. Horse girls have beautiful hair. I did see you say that. And you've got great hair. You always have. And horses, you're part horse. Also, I was the year of the horse. Born the year of the horse. And this is the year of the horse. That's true. Are we in the year of the gala? The fire horse.

29:00The fire horse. The fire horse. You have beautiful hair, too. Thank you so much. Do you like horses? I don't have beautiful hair. Thank you, though. I don't like horses. They scare the shit out of me. I love them. Have you ridden them? I reluctantly have ridden them. I rode one recently with my son in Iceland a couple years ago. I was like, you know what? I'm going to ride. Yeah, I'm going to like. And the whole time I was like, I cannot wait to get off. It hurt so bad. It hurt. Physically? Yeah, it hurt my... Yeah, the who's. The who's and the ha's. It does. It hurt my inner leg, upper butt, front butt region.

29:34Front butt. Dude. It hurt. Well, like anything, you get used to that. That's true. And then you're a champion. Okay. You have had the phrase youngest used on you constantly. The youngest to reach 100 million Spotify streams. youngest winner album of the year record of the year youngest person ever to win two academy awards in any category oh my god um do you is it kind of nice to reach your 20s and be a little bit away from that kind of young wonder kindy like vibe dude do you know what I mean yeah I do I mean you're still very young yes also not well I guess I never like thought that I would ever not be a teenager like it's not like I like yeah I don't know I just was like I'm this will be me forever there's no other you know I remember when I was like 17 I was like okay and I am the person I will be forever right now and I and it's just not how it works obviously and I am so excited to age and I'm so excited for my face to age and my body to age and not change it you know and I I want my kids to look at me and have my face look like their face and not be some botched version of whatever the fuck is going on out there right now.

30:56You know what I'm saying? So anyways. Yes. And what's really wild about you being like, when I was 17, I thought I was a person. I was. Yeah. We knew you at 17. We like saw you get a cake from your 17. Right. In the dock, you know, like happy 17th birthday. Oh my God. Yeah, you're right. And so you not only are you figuring yourself out, but everybody's watching you figure it out. And there's, you know, I'm saying the obvious, but we all go through versions of ourselves privately. You had to go through versions of yourself publicly. And you also had to, whatever change you decided to make that day affected a bunch of people.

31:33It's not like you were like, I'm going to cut my hair now. And everyone's like, yeah, we got to change the posters. Like it's, it becomes a thing where you, you, you like trying new versions of yourself. Yeah. everybody else weighs in on that or has something. How? Because from minute one, Billy, from when I saw you to now, there was some kind of inner governor, a voice that you would, it felt like check in with to make decisions. Who is that? Where is that? Where does that come from? Is that true? Is that how you make decisions? Do you go to your gut first? How do you make decisions? Wow. These are amazing questions.

32:14Oh my God. Thank you. You are absolutely eating it up right now. Wow. I feel like it is a gut thing. Like, I think that weirdly, as much as it was a strain on my youth becoming famous at 14, 13, 14, 15,

32:40I weirdly do think that I had that element of teenage carelessness. Yeah, right. Even though I was self-conscious and very, you know, trying to be cool, I also was myself in a way that I look back on and I'm like so grateful that I was that way. And I think that weirdly, I'm glad that it happened when I was so young because, and I think that it is attributed also I have to say to just the person that I've always been since I was a little kid just very strong-willed and very very bossy extremely bossy and very needing things to go my way and also being very honest and blunt I guess yes and so I think when I started doing interviews or you know being asked any kind of a question yeah I was just very, very honest.

33:35And I also, I did PR training when I was 14 and I sobbed through it. I hated it so much. It was literally like the scariest shit of all time. What made it so scary? I was just like, what made you sob? I, first of all, the woman who did it to me was like, I would she know she would ask me a question because this is how PR training works okay I shouldn't I should know this did you do PR training no obviously not well I only did one session and it was like under an hour and I sobbed and I left and I did not follow any of the rules after that yeah but uh basically like she'll you know they'll tell you what you're you should say or the kind of direction you should go and and then they'll ask you the question like pretending you're in an interview.

34:27And so I would start answering the way I would want to answer. And she would like kind of cut me off and be like, no, no, you need to start saying this or no, you should be saying this. Don't say that. Don't give them that. And it was important for me to learn. And I'm glad I learned it, but similar to learning to drive safely, it's good to know how to drive safely so that you can use your, the, so that then you can, this is really a bad analogy but so then you can bend the rules according to yeah no I hear you but like you know you know what is safe and good and right but then I'm gonna go be you know precise about you know what I'm saying I don't know do you know what I mean absolutely it's like you're figuring out your own boundaries like figuring out within those boundaries how to play yes authenticity is like major for you it's like it's like what you're looking for it's what you want to put out into the world and like you feel it and you just kind of can't fake it.

35:27And it's probably a little painful when you're not being authentic. I hate it. Yeah. I hate it. And I think when things get more mainstream and then more people who aren't your fans are looking at you and hearing it, it's, it becomes like scary. I mean, I feel, I feel like sad thinking back, not even thinking back, just thinking about how I've definitely like, like 80, 75 % come down on my, my, uh, not honesty, but my sharing of myself. I used to be literally like 99 % complete, like oversharing with the entire world, which I loved. Cause I also, I am a fan and I've always been a fan. Like my, my, I'm a horse girl and I am a fangirl.

36:22And I always have been. I know. And these are like important. And you were a believer. I was a believer. And you let everyone into that like tender place. But I did it specifically because I knew that as a fan, I wanted my favorite artists to do that. I wanted realness and honesty. You do that. You make people feel that way. I mean, your lyrics make people feel so seen, Billie. like so like there's a reason why okay I'm gonna praise and praise you again like they're like when when we're when I go to your show I went to show and like and like everyone's singing you know um uh you know um you make me hate this city like you know and everybody's like those like those Let's take that song.

37:15Let's take that song. Hold on. Okay, okay. Hold on. I'm going to sing the entire song to you. Let's go. Okay. But that moment, oh my God, this is not my... Okay, I have to break some news. This is not my laptop. I forgot my laptop today. This is Sam's laptop and I'm completely stressed out. Okay. And for those people watching, this laptop is bigger than my usual laptop. And they probably already noticed that. and don't write in no comments about laptop okay i'm so old i gotta read it okay okay but when you said okay but when you were like when you say because i'd never treat me this shitty you made me hate this city i don't talk shit about you on the internet when you're singing it when you're singing it and i'm singing it you're making you're you're being like you're speaking plainly i guess is the way to say it.

38:09You're not hiding behind some objects or metaphors. And that authenticity, it's like a direct hit between the audience and you. Your lyrics are so fucking great. I guess my question is, I guess I have to give you a question. How do you write lyrics? Oh, gosh. Terrible question. Forget it. Let's sing more. Okay. How do you write lyrics? because that shit's embarrassing i mean that shit's embarrassing it is bitch it is it really is uh that shit's embarrassing you are my everything like it's so real everybody felt that feels that thank you with your lyrics but i'm genuinely curious like do you write a lyric and then you go that's too i i feel the way about dialogue sometimes i'll write something, I'd be like, nobody talks like that.

39:06Right, right. Like nobody's going to say that. I mean, dialogue to me is really impressive to write. Like I don't understand how you do that. That to me, I can't like fathom writing a script at all. Like I don't, yeah, I don't know why. I think I just, I have a similar feeling to like how people talk to me who, you know, have never made music or are musical at all, where they're like, how do you possibly do that? Like, I can't begin to fathom how to write dialogue. Right. So, but I've watched you write lyrics and you've let us watch you write it. And it feels like you're doing a similar thing, which is like, it's like you try on a lyric and you're like, is that real?

39:50Like you're, you're asking yourself, is that a real thing? Even though it's not always about a real thing. It's just like, does that lyric feel right in my head like singing it out loud well so my answer to this is interesting because I don't like writing music I've heard you say I have said many times and I have I have I have grown to like it so much more over the years and honestly like growing up and becoming an adult and not worrying about being cool really has helped me write music because a big part of making anything and especially music is allowing it to be bad before it's good. It's like so many things.

40:34It's like literally anything. And I think like, it's so hard when you want to be good at something. And especially when you have the pressure of people seeing it and you're like, well, it has to be good. So I can't even, I can't let this be bad for even one second. It'll stop you from doing it at all. And so I like my love is singing. Singing is like my true, true soulmate. Like singing is the thing that I love more than anything in the world. And having songs that I have written to sing is the goal. Like that's what I love about writing music. And also when I am, because I write everything with my brother and I write alone every now and then, but it doesn't bring me joy when I write it alone.

41:23And also I'm too critical. And I'm like, it's just frustrating for me. And when I work with my brother, like I was saying to somebody, you know, cause somebody said like, are you making an album right now because you want to make a new album or because you're required in your contract too? And I was like, I've never thought about that once. Yeah. And I feel that I'm lucky to feel that way because I don't care if it's because I have to. It's actually like any excuse to hang out with my brother, I'll take. Come on. And we get to make music that we both love. And I think that what's interesting about not loving the process of writing music is I love the outcome so much.

42:13Yeah. I love my music more than any other music. And I think that people hear that and think like, what the heck? Like, oh, you're listening to your own music. And it's like, well, yeah, that's why I make it. it's like similar to like I make my own perfume because I really like the smell of it and I want to wear it you know so I make music to listen to it, to enjoy it and to sing it, it's my favorite thing in the world you're so good at singing thank you, it's so good that you like the thing that you're so good at thank god, no kidding Thank you. Z-Bound is approved as a 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5, or 15 milligram injection.

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44:22I like to ask singers this. We had Haley.

44:27Whatever friends we text. Whatever we're friends we text. That's how I feel about her too. Holy shit. Very cool. And totally not, don't make a big deal out of it. But I asked her this and I'd like to ask what like your first relationship to your voice. Like when you were like, I like my voice. Do you remember? You must have been a tiny one because you were singing at a very young age and you were encouraged to sing a lot. But that thing when you sing and you think like whatever's coming out is like is kind of good. Yeah, is good. Whoa. Do you remember a feeling of that? Well, it's so interesting because I have been singing for my entire life.

45:09Like I don't, there was never a beginning. It was just I was singing and singing and singing. And I grew up in a very musical household. Piano always being played, guitar being played. You know, my mom was a songwriter. And, you know, Phineas started writing songs before I did. He was older than me. And so there was always music around. And so I was very encouraged to sing. I think, you know, I was homeschooled, but in the homeschool community, there's like, you know, DIY talent shows type stuff. There's like homeschool talent shows. And it was the only thing I looked for. I literally, all I wanted to do was be on a stage singing or dancing.

45:55It was like a little baby Coachella that you were getting ready for. Yeah. and the first song I sang was Tomorrow from Annie of course and I think I was like eight or wait no six I think I was six and right I don't know I have a hard time with numbers ages but that I remember I don't even think I did but I loved it so much and the feeling of the crowd cheering was just the greatest thing but I think my relationship to my voice like I this is gonna sound weird and I hope it doesn't sound like pick me because I really mean it no more cringe it's over no more pick no more cringe no more yeah you're right but I never like I didn't think of myself as a singer I just loved to sing and then I remember like when I was about 11, like, Phineas would, you know, be with his friends and sometimes be like, well, my sister, my little sister has a really good voice.

46:59And I'd be like, what? And then he'd be like, Billy, sing the beginning of Baby by Justin Bieber. And I would like be like, I would be like, whoa, whoa. And his friends would be like, oh, you know, whoa, whoa. Whoa, she's pretty good. Yeah. And I remember like doing it once and like messing it up. And I was like, I was so upset because really I wanted to be a dancer. That was like my thing. I know. And they would like make me sing at like the dance sleepover. Like they'd be like, Billy, go up and sing. And I was too embarrassed. But then I would. I mean, that's like the you're like the athlete that like played basketball and then like was like, I think I also like baseball.

47:36And you're like win the World Series. You were such a good dancer. I was barely a good dancer. I was like loved dancing so much. What was your thing? Were you ballet? I started dancing because I loved tap dancing. Oh, come on, Billie. So I was a tapper. What? Yeah, I was a tapper. And then once I started getting into tap, I was like, oh, I like this. Cute. And then I started doing hip hop and I loved hip hop. And then I would do contemporary. So those are my top three. And then because I fell in love with dance, I was like, well, now I have to do ballet to be part of the other stuff because it was required.

48:13And then jazz and then lyrical. and have you ever had a like a thing of like maybe i'll dance when i sing right when i started getting good i got a horrible injury and then i was not allowed to dance and i never danced ever again except i started dancing recently again i'm in like you did i'm in like a class every now and then that's cool which is really cute that's very cool what did you injure if you injured my hip but basically that took me out whoa that's so intense and so interesting like how life like so that opens the door to the thing that you love doing anyway right well dude what's crazy about the timing of it is that I started getting really serious with dance when I was 12 no 13 and I like I dyed my hair platinum white that year and then Phineas was like dude should we make a SoundCloud page for fun and like maybe make some songs and put them out for fun like for our friends to play or whatever.

49:14And so at the same time as I was getting really serious about dance, we had this idea. We recorded like some little stupid songs. And then one of my dance teachers, Fred Diaz, said, and I've told this story before, but literally like the older I get, the more insane it is. He was like, Billy, stay behind after class one day. And he was like, can you and Phineas make a song so that I can choreograph a dance to it and we can do it for the recital? next year. And I was so excited. And I thought, you know what? Phineas just wrote a song that I think is called Ocean Eyes. Maybe it could be that one.

49:51I go home. I'm like, Phineas, Fred wants us to make a song. Let's make it as like danceable as possible. We went home, we recorded Ocean Eyes, which he had written for his band. And he said it didn't feel right. And he wanted me to sing it anyway. So we were already kind of going to do that. Anyway, we went to put it on SoundCloud. It had a free download link up. Anyone could download it for free. And, um, we only put it on SoundCloud to send an easier link to the dance teacher. And so we did. And then like that week I was getting ready for competition. And then a week later, Finney's called me and he was like, Billy Oceanice has a thousand streams, a thousand.

50:29And we were cheering and we were screaming and I was like, this is the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. This is all I could ever dream of. Couple weeks go by. It starts getting bigger and bigger. Like Fred starts choreographing a dance to it. Competition is the next week. Things are getting bigger. It's like Hilly Dilly is posting it. And like, you know, New Music Friday or whatever. And like all these new outlets. And we were getting reached out to by these labels and stuff. And then it's the last rehearsal before my first dance competition of the season. I have a solo in each combo.

51:02I was so excited. We were done with rehearsal. We were about to leave. And our teacher was like, wait, let's do one more. No, just to film it. And so we did one more and we filmed it. And in the middle of my little twerk, literally 12 years old, I'm like, my hip is like. And I got injured. And then I was poof, laying on the floor, couldn't walk, couldn't dance. Definitely couldn't do anything. and was basically like bedridden for at least a week. And then I was on crutches and I literally never danced again. Did you miss the whole competition? I missed every single competition. I didn't get to do one.

51:41Billy, I have chills right now. Because talk about - But then that week I went to all these meetings in my crutches. I met with Interscope. I met with all these different booking agents. I had my crutches. I was like, and I was so sad. I was like, I can't believe I missed the competition. Oh my God. I mean, there's people listening to this right now who are going to be like having just missed something that they think is the biggest thing in their life. The biggest thing in their life. It's pretty wild. They're going to be like - I have chills too. That's so, that is why - I have chills. I have chills.

52:09I have my own story. The universe decided at that like sliding doors moment of like, we're going to stop. We're going to interrupt this program. And there's no deeper like sadness than thinking I'm not going to get to do the thing that's right in front of me that I'm supposed to do. and then like this little, hey, over here kind of thing happening. Whoa. When you think something is ruining your life and it's really actually saving your life. Yes. And I like that you're dancing again because there must be a little bit of trauma, honestly, around all of it. So like you're just, you're coming back as an adult, going back and being like, maybe I can do this again as like a version that feels good to me, like where I can revisit it.

52:53Yeah. It's been really nice. Yeah. And it's so non-pressure, you know, it's just, Well, we do need you to compete. Because we need you to do that. We need you to finish that routine. Okay, yeah, you're right. I mean, that would be the movie is like you go back out there. To the competitions. To Encore in Las Vegas with all the other teenagers. And I mean, I know we all like all of our stuff comes from our family, but it is all of our stuff comes from our family. And I imagine in that moment, I'm like really feeling for your mom in that moment, right? Like she's got the saddest kid. and both your parents.

53:28Oh my God, yeah. Like the saddest Billy who's missed this - Broken hearted little - And in pain. And then also your brother being like, hey, let's do this sister. And then it catching on and watching your family dynamic. And again, I don't know, but having the privilege of getting to see you interact with each other. I feel like that's the way in which you all kind of support those moments, like the big moments and the low moments. Like that's very special. I know. Very special. It's really special. And I feel so in hindsight and present day, so, so grateful for that. Cause I think I didn't, I didn't even realize what I had because I already had it.

54:17And so I didn't know there could be another option. And I think that seeing you know sometimes like some other people who maybe didn't have that support yeah having to go through all of this stuff alone is really it really I just really feel for them and I feel like thank god I had my mom thank god I had my brother especially thank god I had my dad and the home that we that I grew up in you know and like my dog you know like these are all things that really I like that you bring up your dog a lot. I love dogs. Do you still have your dog? She passed away a couple years ago, but she was old as all fucking hell.

54:56She was so old. God damn it. Her legs were, it was like this kind of situation. What was her name? And tell us about your doggy. Her name was Pepper. And she lived to like 16. Dang. She was old as shit. I'm telling you. Yeah. She was a mutt. She looked just like Petey from The Little Rascals, which I loved. I loved The Little Rascals as a kid. she had like she was a pit bull mix and she had like a circle around her eye if I didn't have you know a dog with reactive issues I would literally have 17 dogs like yeah I have a dog he's the sweetest boy in the whole wide world his name is shark he's the sweetest boy he loves people he loves his dog friends he just has he has a lot of reactive issues yeah and he has since I mean, I had him since he was five weeks old.

55:41So it's interesting. Like, I always thought, you know, a dog is the way they are because of how they were raised. And to an extent that is true. Yeah. But they're like people also, and we are the way we are no matter what anybody does. And he just has like, he's just really anxious. He's very, very anxious. And when he sees a dog that he doesn't know, he sees it as a threat or something. But, you know, if I introduce him in the right way to other dogs, then it's all perfect. But of course, like, of course you would be a person that would be able to handle something like that and understand that.

56:15Oh my God. Yeah. But I think the difference is like, he, he's a big gray pit bull mix. And so the difference in having a reactive, bigger, stronger, more marginalized breed when they have anxiety and reactive behavioral issues is there's so much more of a stigma against them and people already, Like the stigma against the bully breed and everything within there is so messed up. It's like, you know, someone can have like a little tiny chihuahua. I love chihuahuas. I love all dogs. But like someone might have like a little dog who's like literally biting everyone and like. And it's like. And it just kills me.

56:58Like my reactive dog owners out there. Yeah. You are seen. You are loved. it's a lot of work but I have like also also you know I think it's like I have such a love for animals it makes sense to me that you're an empathetic creative open-hearted person living in a family that tries to be that way too that you're trying to pay attention to that too also if I may and I'm sure you get this projected on you a lot but the specialness of your relationship with you and Phineas like it's it's like it's really delicious because it's kind of like every it's like watching a healthy it's like watching healthy siblings and watching uh uh like just a man support a woman like that just even that like i know forget them being related just like a very very talented self-possessed i know um uh self-actualized man being very happy for a woman's success yeah is already just like we're all like really hungry for it.

58:03I know. I know. Like, and just like speaking nicely about women, we're all just like looking for. And then the way that you guys speak about each other. Yeah. It's truly a magical gift that I've been given by who knows what, you know, my parents. Yeah. But you guys work a little differently. We do. Is that hard when you're working differently? Do you argue? We argue, But we, but it's very, um, it's not like real argue. It's not, I like don't know how to put it. I think we go through periods of, you know, being not on the same wavelength, like we're in different periods of our lives and that's when we can kind of butt heads a little bit.

58:44But even then, I mean, like we got into like a nothing, like something that was so didn't need to be an argument. and like literally we sat there and I said can we go make music now and he's like yeah and we went downstairs and we made a song and it was we were laughing and giggling and talking and I was just thinking that day I was like it is truly amazing that we can do that and it's amazing that you know and I know all siblings have different relationships and that's a rare thing to have with a person especially like a sibling and you work with them but it is kind of the blessing of working with your sibling because you can't you can't break up with your sibling.

59:24It's not like, yes, this is true. But I guess I mean, like the arguing, it's like, you can say something so hurtful. Yes. Especially like a little sister. I can say something insane to Phineas. You, you have. And I have, I sure have. And, and also it's like, sometimes I bet the challenge is to make sure you're not, you're like not too rough on each other. Yep. For sure. Because the more familiar you are, the more, like I'm thinking of that amazing scene in your dock where in the kitchen where Phineas is like, I think we should just finish the record. And you're like, the record is bad. This sucks.

59:59And your mom is like, or I think you can learn from each other. You know, like perfect mom. Like, I think Phineas has something that you need. I know. Bless her heart. Yeah. And your dad is like, I'm going to go outside and fix the car. And you're all representing the voices in like a creative process. Yeah. You're all representing that. And you're all those things at once. and you would probably not say to someone you were working with like that was bad that sucks yeah it's not good it's lame yeah or like anything that I say to him it's like we can we can literally jump all of the like yes um uh politeness you know we don't have to be like saving feelings and you know I can literally just be like god that's stupid you know that's such a stupid idea and he's Like, well, fuck you.

1:00:44You know, it's like it's it's it just works like that. And I feel like I'm also just, you know, in another life, the life that we didn't have this happen to us. I would have maybe gone to college and moved away or moved away in general. and what would you know I I talk to friends or see online like people talking about how like they don't live with their sibling anymore and they don't get to see their sibling and it's like you live completely different lives and I just feel like so grateful that I get to live a life where my brother is a constant part of my life yeah and that I don't have to live in a different state than my brother and that I don't have to like never see him and not have, you know, and I think that's usually how it goes.

1:01:38And I just, I feel really lucky in that way. And like you said, his, he is like, just aside from how talented and incredible he is and how he's like my best friend, he's loves me so much. And he is just the greatest brother in the world. the way that he has looked out for me. He's a big time protector. So he wanted me to ask you a question. He did? Yeah. And I feel like it's a, it's a, it's a fake. I feel like it's a funny story. It's a fake question. Okay. Um, what is tomato bisque soup and how did you lose it? Wow. Okay. Wow. Let's hear it. Well, you know, all right. I'll tell you, I'll tell you exactly the answer.

1:02:31I... Okay, how far do I go? Well, I actually haven't talked about this. I was thinking literally last night how I haven't... Nobody knows this is happening. It's cute. It's very sweet. It's an innocent cute thing. For my birthday, I was given a little hamster. And she was a rescue from a house, a hoarder house that had 60 loose free-roaming hamsters everywhere being just in shit and like in stuff. And she was rescued. That hamster won the lottery. And she is so cute. What's her name? Her name is Tomato Bisque Soup. And... Wait. The story's taking a turn.

1:03:22So, Tomato, as we call her, she's a little dwarf hamster. She's literally this fucking big. She is so goddamn cute. You wouldn't even believe it. But she's used to being on the street. She's used to running around. She is used to being on the street. Yeah, she's free. Free roaming, bitch. She's free. She's wild. Not wild, but like living her life in her condition of tough. Yeah. Sorry. I got her on my birthday, which was December 18th. and I got her, like, I must have spent, you know, lots of money on, like, random shit. Like, little, like, I got her, like, little, because they have to have enrichment.

1:04:03So they have a wheel and they have to have different levels. Sure, yeah, just stay busy. And I do it all myself. I'll show you. I will literally show you. Her house is insane. She lives in a fucking mansion, bitch. Her house is so big. It's, like, literally, like, her house is, like, this big and this tall. Nice. And it's wooden. but so there's these little vents in the top corners of the house that are like this big they're holes so they can breathe even i know that hamsters can get through those holes it was a hamster house yeah it was for a hamster right you'd think that they would know that well and also it's up high right so they can't even they can't climb up the wall that we haven't met tomato this so tomato's wild little freaky self so it's like a month since i've had her i get home from a trip i went on a little trip and i had i had put her seeds out and they're also nocturnal so you usually don't see them in the day um and also they like to burrow so like sometimes i wouldn't see her she's like barely you can't really you're not always seeing her when she is there.

1:05:09But she loves pumpkin seeds so much, like little pepitas. She loves them so much. And so I know that she's very happy if I put her pumpkin seeds and she immediately comes out. So before I had left, I put out some pumpkin seeds and then I came home many days later and the pumpkin seeds were still there. God damn it. Damn it. And I thought, you know what? And you pulled back a little cover and she had made a little dummy like welcome to Alcatraz. She is. Oh my God. She had escaped. First Bueller's Day off. It was like in Shawshank. A little fake body. And she pulled it into the side and she made a little tunnel.

1:05:44Well, so I am, I pictured, I just thought like, oh, she's, she's dug herself into a cute little tunnel. She's sleeping. Four days have gone by since the last sight of her. So anyway, one day. Oh no. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to look for her because I want to make sure she's there. Of course. Obviously she's there, but I'm just going to make sure. So I fucking go. Where I keep her house is in my closet on this like shelf that's like five feet up. And I take all of her houses out of her house. I take all of there's these things called sprays, which are these like long plants that for enrichment.

1:06:23And I take them all out. And I sign of her. There's no sign of her. And I'm like, oh, what's going on? But I'm like, OK, but I still have to like dig through the bedding because she likes to crawl into the paper bedding. And I'm like starting to like worry a little. But then I'm like, am I going to find a little, a little body? And that was really freaking me out. Yeah. But I'm like, I'm not. It's fine. She's going to be in here. She's sleeping. Whatever. And so I take everything out. It's only her bedding left over. And I'm literally like, it's like looking through a lake for a dead body. I was like literally like doing like one of these.

1:07:00Like fingers through everything. I take everything out and she's nowhere to be seen. Oh no. Gone. The bitch has literally vanished into the nail. And your VCR was missing. No, I'm just kidding. Right. The night that she was gone, I'm like texting all my friends like she's gone. R.I.P. Love her so much. What the hell? One month of having a hamster and I already lost her into the walls. Like what the hell? Yeah. And she could have gone anywhere, like truly anywhere. And I'm like, just as a Hail Mary, there's no way this is going to work. but I'm going to put her wheel on the ground and I'm going to put her favorite seeds on the wheel and I'm going to put her little mushroom house on the ground and I'm going to put her bedding in it and I'm going to put her seeds in it and like maybe a miracle will happen and she'll appear.

1:07:50She'll reappear. Of course, I don't think this is actually going to happen. I go to sleep. oh my god i'm like looking at videos of her and we wake up we're talking about like this is so sad how did we do this how could we do this to her we failed her we are horrible people we lay in bed for an hour talking about i can't believe we've done this and i'm like i'm gonna go get dressed also like let's go check on the sad little seeds we left out right i go into my closet the fucking seeds are gone gone dang and her bedding has been pulled out of her house that she and that's i know that that's like a thing she does she pulls out her bedding her seeds are gone and i'm like dude her seeds are fucking gone is she here and i take some more seeds and i go tomato and i have a voice that she always comes out to i go tomato excuse me Excuse me, tomato.

1:08:52And I hear, no. In the fucking wall. It has been four days that she has been missing. I hear this. And I take the seeds and I like lay them all around. And I literally keep hearing like, she fucking crawls out of the wall. I have literally chills. She crawls out of the wall and crawls right into my hand. And she's eating the seeds and she's like, what up like she's like what up bitch hey she's wearing a little cymbar she had been living in the walls of the closet for four days with no food and no water waiting for me to fucking look for her and find her can you believe this story she's incredible she's amazing so since then i have gotten her a much bigger house with very thin i don't think she has been i don't think she needs to be um congratulated for escaping this is like supporting bad behavior yeah i know you're right you're right it's a bigger house she got a bigger house i felt bad i felt like oh no did you not like living in this small house now she's so happy she literally like her life is amazing really quick and then i'll shut up forever look at her house her house is insane wait i just cleaned it up yes um that's my worst nightmare is that I get a rodent and it goes into the walls.

1:10:12Okay, here is Tomato's giant mansion house. So like, if you look, here's so she has different levels. She has her little tunnel where she can crawl. She has a lot going on. Listeners, it's like there's a there's like, it looks like an aquarium, but with like outdoor seating. Oh, there's almost like a fire pit. Like if she had guests over. Yeah. Because I give her different bedding such that she has different textures. It's really nice. Really nice textures. Right? Yeah. It looks like a beautiful LA spa. I mean, it is. Here's her on her wheel. Wait. Oh, she's really cute. She's so freaking cute.

1:10:53And then here's me showing... I bonked my knee. You can actually hear it happening. She's running really fast. Look at how nice this... Ah! I killed him. And then here's the knee. This is what happened to my knee. So there's Phineas' answer. That's Phineas' question. I'm glad he asked. There we go. Incredible story. And scene. And scene. Okay, we're going to finish with the lightning round. Finish! Wait, but there's so much to talk about. There's so much to talk about. Okay, but we're going to get into the lightning round. Okay, go. Here we go. Just quick thoughts on these things. Tarantulas. Yes.

1:11:35Yes. Are you afraid of spiders? I mean, I'm not afraid, but you know. But it's a spider. It's okay. You know, I'm down, but I don't want to touch it or anything. But I'm glad you like it. Horses. We talked about. Love. Survivor. The show's Survivor. Yes, the show's Survivor. They have my own Billie Eilish idol.

1:11:57Just heard that. They named the immunity idol after you? It's a Billie Eilish idol. so basically like I wrote a letter to the contestants being like here's your secret idol if you use this idol you can you know it's like what you know have you seen survivor you know they have what do you love about survivor um I love imagining that I could one day do it yeah but I am so bad with like like the math part of the problems are the things that I couldn't do yeah like I could do this I feel that I could do the physical stuff I mean I say that which sure who knows because it's so hard yeah but like when they have to like solve it you know yeah i wouldn't be good at like when people like i have a little bit of like defiance disorder so if they were like you have to do tooth i'd be like i don't have to do anything i quit i quit yeah i have the same feel i quit yeah i have the same um okay music you're listening to right now honestly i've been listening to kate bush this week it's me yeah dude well that just it's i just love the spooky whimsical of it all.

1:13:01Isn't she incredible? She's amazing. I like didn't even know she was so amazing. I mean Army Dreamers is so good. So good. Wuthering Heights oh my god. Have you heard the Peter Gabriel the song she sang with Peter Gabriel Don't Give Up? No. How does it go? I'm sure you've heard it.

1:13:26Do you think they were fucking? I hope so. God, I hope so. I just feel like this shoot where they're in a hug the entire song. God, I hope so. That's amazing. Isn't it so good? Wow. Yeah, I did not know Kate Bush was like that. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, we're going to finish with two things. You have a big movie coming out, and it is... I forgot. That's what you were doing. It's a concert. It's a movie about your... It's a concert movie. Yes. So it's a it's a concert film. Mainly there's like some behind the scenes doc type stuff. Cool. But specifically it is very cool. The show that Hit Me Hard and Soft tour filmed in 3D, which is fucking awesome.

1:14:16Awesome. And really, really, really cool. Thank you. It's I agree. I loved it so much. I just I I I had the best time. And B, it's like the best show I've ever made. It was so good. I felt proud to call that my show every single night that I did it. Yeah. And I mourn the end of that tour. And I'm excited for the next tour. But I am also like so, so grateful that we have it filmed forever. Like I will be able to watch it whenever I want. Yeah. Forever in 3D. Feel like I'm there. Yeah. And same goes for everyone who watches it. You know, people who didn't get to go to the show and they get to experience it or who did and want to re-experience it.

1:14:55Anyway. Very exciting. And what I love about that is I like I like to watch things in my home early in the afternoon or like I don't like to like shows are too late. I don't like to go out. Oh, I see what you're saying. Shows are late. Shows are super late. And like loud. And then you stand for so long. Yeah. And I like. I hate standing. I hate. I can't see anything. I hate. I just hate standing. I hate the feeling of it. Same. I love to sit. Would you ever consider doing an afternoon show? For people who like to go to an afternoon show. That's so funny. I've like never even, it's just such a, the thing you do.

1:15:28I never even thought about it. That's what's great about like music festivals, honestly. That's like kind of what I miss about being on the earlier side of the lineup because you get to get, you get to go out there and the sun is out and like, it's beautiful. And then you get a night after. It's pretty nice. Yeah. Maybe I'll do that someday. A little matinee. Oh my God. A matinee tour. What's your bedtime? Well, last night I had a fantastic sleep. Not to brag. Fuck yeah. What did you get? What's your sleep? I'm very worried about your sleep. Why? You're a young person. That's true. I used to be terrible with sleep.

1:16:03I never slept. For some reason since last summer when I was in Europe for tour, like I had three different tour legs where I was gone and then home and then gone in Europe each time. But so because of that, I was like really getting, becoming an early bedtimer. And so since then I've kind of, kind of kept that up. Like I try to go to sleep before midnight every night, which used to be. Love this for you. Couldn't I used to go to sleep like earliest 2 a.m. Yeah. Usually three, maybe four. Yeah. And now I'm like, if I can get in bed at like 10. Oh, I mean. Can you believe that I can do that? It's amazing.

1:16:44Yeah. And also sometimes like the like happiness is just one sleep away. Like it just really is sometimes like the thing. The reason why my day is so bad is because I haven't slept. 100%. I love it. Honestly, like when I got this Oura Ring and this is not sponsored, I just, I love this Oura Ring, dude. And since I got it, I've been like, I really don't play about my sleep now. I really need my sleep. Let me, as we finish up, because I know we've kept you, but. Girl, I don't have anything else to do. Same. Wait, I was just going to say. Okay, we got to wrap this up. Oh, I feel like when I'm at a concert and people are talking really loud, I will turn around and say, please shut up.

1:17:26Yeah. Please shut the fuck up. Or just like be quiet. You know, like that I will do. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Or a movie. Not so much. I'd be talking through a movie. I'd be talking. I know. Billy, I have to comment. That is your gen. You guys chat through everything. You're used to watching stuff at home. This has done to me so much. So many times has someone who I love dearly gone. Because I can't shut the fuck up. Also, like, I'm a reactor. Like, I react audibly. Let me remind people, like, I realize as I'm talking to you about this that, like, you have Tourette's. Well, I was just going to say that.

1:18:12I was just going to say that. I do have Tourette's and, you know, I have vocal tics, but luckily for me and for everyone else, I, um, they're mostly just noises and I can keep them pretty quiet. Yeah. Um, I, I go through phases of words becoming tics, but, you know, there's a thing called suppressing, if you ever heard of it. And, you know, when I'm in an interview, I, I'm doing everything in my power to suppress all of my tics constantly. Yeah. And as soon as I leave the room, I have to let them all out with whatever, you know, you have helped me a lot. Honestly, I'm realizing now as I'm talking to you and getting to know you, meeting you, you've helped me a lot with my own intrusive thoughts, which I didn't really know.

1:18:53You know, I didn't have that term growing up. I didn't quite know what it was. Right. And you're, you having them in real time or talking about them, or even just like softly joking about them, like the getting all the way full circle back to the idea of what we talked from the very beginning, which is like coping mechanism and yourself soothing, all that stuff. And the way that you like, like that you feel like comedy is important for life. Like we are living to laugh. It felt that way when I would have a thought that I just thought like, this is a really bad thought. Yep. This is a really bad.

1:19:24And this is, this one I'm going to really never, ever, ever share. Right. Like, Ooh, this is, and it, and it took me so long in my adult life to realize those were intrusive thoughts and what they were. And you really, really helped me with that. Really? Yeah. Thank you for that. You really did. You were an example of someone. I know it so well. God, now imagine those intrusive thoughts, but your mouth has to say them out loud. Right. And that is Tourette's syndrome. Right. And I think what's troubling about the way that people do not understand what Tourette's is. Like when people are like, you know, if I like start having like a tick attack or whatever, like a lot of ticks in a row and people are like, are you okay?

1:20:09You know, it's like, this is very much normal. Like, you know, and also like, well, I didn't notice. It's like, if you didn't see me tick today, you're not looking at my knees, which are ticking constantly under this table and my, you know, elbows that are like, I'm clenching my arms the entire time. And I'm, I'm doing this for the entire, and it's because I'm currently, because I'm on camera and I'm having a conversation and I'm trying not to be distracting. I'm really doing it this whole time as fun as I'm having much fun as I'm having. I'm doing everything I can to suppress every single tick that's visible from the top of my head to about right here.

1:20:51You know, and that's like how we as people with Tourette's pretty much spend our days. And some people don't even have the privilege of getting to suppress them at all in any way. And the not understanding of that is really frustrating as a person with Tourette's. I bet. Thank you for educating me and us, for real. Because it's like just yet another example of what you do so generously. Yeah. You're a really generous person, Billy. You really like share. So are you. Thank you. You share what you know, what you're feeling or what you're going through. You share it with us. Like we're very lucky that we get to hear things from you and hear.

1:21:30And I'm really happy you did this. I'm such a fan of yours and I am so beyond excited to be in this room with you and do this podcast. I love you so much. Thank you for having me. Don't be weird, but I need to get your cell phone number. Let's go. Thank you, Billie, for coming. Oh, my God. Love you. I love you so much. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, Good Hang. Oh, yay! Thank you, Billie Eilish. What an amazing person and what a great conversation. Love talking to you. And for this polar plunge, look, it took everything I had not to sing Billie's songs back to her. I know that can make things awkward.

1:22:12But I just want to remind everybody of the perfect lyrics that are in Billy's songs, specifically happier than ever. Okay. Because I just want to remind, okay. I don't relate to you. I don't relate to you. No, because I'd never treat me this shitty. You made me hate this city. And I don't talk shit about you on the internet. Never told anyone anything bad because that shit's embarrassing. saying you are my everything and all that you did was make me fucking sad. So don't waste the time I don't have and don't try to make me feel bad.

1:22:54Okay.

1:22:58Okay. This is the end of it. We got to go. Genius. Thanks for listening, everybody. Billy, you're a genius. Okay. Bye. you've been listening to Good Hang the executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman and me Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane Kaya McMullen and Alea Zanaris for Paper Kite production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weiss-Berman original music by Amy Miles