In short
Gwyneth Paltrow returns to acting in Josh Safdie’s film Marty Supreme, and discusses her on-set experience, public scrutiny, and personal health/lifestyle routines. The conversation also covers codependency, direct communication, divorce “conscious uncoupling” reactions, and aging topics like bone density and cold plunges.
Guests
Gwyneth Paltrow (actor; known for films including Shakespeare in Love, Sliding Doors, Contagion, and others; returned to acting after a long break). Josh Safdie (director of Marty Supreme; previously directed Good Time with Robert Pattinson and Uncut Gems with Adam Sandler).
Key claims
Paltrow says she felt “missed” acting and found the project uniquely special; she describes Safdie as kinetic and unpredictable, keeping actors challenged. She identifies as a recovering codependent who learned that not saying truth kindly creates bigger problems. She discusses researching cold plunges and suggests women may need less extreme conditions. For bone density, she plans doctor conversations about estrogen supplementation and heavy weights.
Notable examples
Safdie describes writing Marty Supreme for Paltrow’s “voice” and scheduling the first shoot as her stage-acting scene after 25 years. Paltrow recalls being fired from a toy store at age 12 for taking spring break without telling anyone, and addresses backlash to her divorce-era messaging. She also shares sleep routines (early dinner around 6, mouth tape, earplugs) and a “Moses” question about her son’s reaction to the film.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOInterview with Josh Safdie
1:06 to 1:35
Amy speaks with Josh Safdie about his film 'Marty Supreme' and Gwyneth's role.
“you know, we always do this thing before our guests come and join us where we talk well behind their back and speak to someone and get a question from them.”
Behind-the-Scenes Insights
2:25 to 4:10
Josh shares his experiences while promoting 'Marty Supreme' and working with Gwyneth.
“Now there's someone coming to get the pastries.”
Gwyneth's Return to Acting
4:10 to 6:24
Josh talks about Gwyneth's return to acting and her emotional journey during filming.
“First of all, your casting is super interesting.”
Navigating Hollywood
6:24 to 7:22
Josh discusses the complexities of Hollywood meetings and his experience with Gwyneth.
“The moment in the film when she is on stage and she kind of gets this glee that she's back.”
Josh's Experience with 'Marty Supreme'
7:22 to 10:30
Josh reflects on the process of casting and working on 'Marty Supreme'.
“And I pull up to her house and I go in and there's this thing that Hollywood does that people don't, sorry.”
Gwyneth on Returning to Acting
12:10 to 14:01
Gwyneth shares her feelings on returning to acting and working with Josh.
“I feel like the last time we may have seen each other was Rob Lowe's 60th birthday party.”
Working with Director Josh Safdie
14:01 to 16:47
Learn about the unique directing style of Josh Safdie and the dynamics on set.
“And so I was like, wow, I think I missed this, you know?”
Childhood Memories with Maya Rudolph
16:48 to 17:59
Discover Gwyneth Paltrow's childhood friendship with Maya Rudolph and its impact.
“Like that's the only thing that's important left.”
The Struggles of Middle School
18:00 to 20:05
Explore Gwyneth's transition to New York and the trials of middle school life.
“Hopefully, if you're doing some work and you're having some life experience, you keep kind of shedding stuff and figuring out things about yourself.”
Early Work Experiences and Challenges
20:06 to 21:36
Gwyneth shares her experiences with early jobs and the pressure of acting.
“And it's very, everybody's trying on a lot of things.”
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Navigating Divorce and Public Perception
21:37 to 23:05
Gwyneth discusses her divorce and the public's reaction to her conscious uncoupling.
“And I think the distributor was like, this might be too hot to touch.”
The Emotional Weight of Public Reactions
23:06 to 24:28
Discuss the implications of public reactions to personal life choices.
“Because I think, like, say you had a really nasty divorce, or your parents had had a really nasty divorce.”
SNL Memories and Comedy
24:29 to 25:59
A look back at the fun experiences shared on SNL and comedic collaborations.
“I've always really admired your sense of humor about people's reactions to things.”
The Art of Accents and Humor
26:00 to 27:09
An amusing discussion about accents and the nuances of speech.
“And the, there's just like kind of your local.”
The Challenges of Fame and Self-Identity
28:51 to 30:50
Discussing the pressures of acting and the journey of self-discovery.
“I felt like I better just keep going and going and going.”
Communication and Honesty in Relationships
30:50 to 32:19
Exploring the importance of direct communication and personal honesty.
“Yeah, like I think when you don't say what needs to be said in the moment to spare somebody else's feelings, first of all, like you're rejecting the truest part of yourself.”
Reflecting on Past Roles and Cultural Impact
32:19 to 34:10
Gwyneth reflects on her career and the lasting effects of her films.
“Like, but I do think that, you know, there's been a bit of a, it's so interesting because now I'm like, oh yeah, like I did these things that now, you know, at the time you don't think that they're going to be whatever.”
Speed Round: Movies and Personal Insights
34:10 to 40:08
A fun speed round discussing various movies and personal anecdotes.
“Okay, so with that in mind, I'm going to do a quick speed round with you about your movies.”
Nostalgia and Fashion Trends
40:08 to 42:00
Discussing fashion trends from the past and their resurgence today.
“And Elliot Smith, who did all the music, and Gus.”
Fashion Reflections: The Return of Grandma Chic
42:00 to 43:10
The hosts discuss fashion trends and personal style, reflecting on past styles and their current relevance.
“Also, when you rewatch that movie, it's like everyone is so dressed so professionally.”
Understanding the Enneagram: Personal Insights
43:10 to 45:50
Gwyneth and Amy explore the Enneagram personality types, discussing how they relate to personal growth and interaction.
“It's just like, is there someone who's keeping an eye out and figuring out, like, is there a better way to do something?”
Health Trends: Cold Plunges and Sleep
45:50 to 48:30
The conversation transitions to health practices, including cold plunges, sleep routines, and their effects on well-being.
“So with your striving for perfection in mind, I have another one more speed round.”
Nutrition and Health Practices for Women
48:30 to 51:00
The hosts share their thoughts on nutrition, including coffee, bone broth, and the importance of tailored health strategies.
“I do it on this giant, really heavy Pilates reformer thing called the Legree.”
Sketch Comedy Insights: A Memorable SNL Moment
51:00 to 55:40
Gwyneth shares a humorous SNL moment, reflecting on the blend of comedy and performance with Amy.
“You just said all this stuff and it was like, you are not selfish.”
The Joy of Cold Dips
56:03 to 56:32
Gwyneth Paltrow discusses her experiences with polar plunges and their effects.
“I like, you know, it's like these weird specific things.”
Thank You and Farewell
56:32 to 57:22
The hosts express gratitude to Gwyneth Paltrow and wrap up the conversation.
“a lot of controversy when I brought it up last time and I am here to just remind you you don't have to do it.”
Transcript
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0:34Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have a great guest today. It is the one, the only Gwyneth Paltrow. Gwyneth and I, we get into it. We're going to talk about a lot of things. We're going to talk about codependency, bone density. I mistake her for Nicole Kidman, and we'll never forget it for the rest of my life. And also, we talk about her new film, Marty Supreme out now and her return to acting. So it's, it's a great conversation. And, but, you know, we always do this thing before our guests come and join us where we talk well behind their back and speak to someone and get a question from them.
1:12And joining me via Zoom is the director of Marty Supreme, Josh Safdie. Josh has made a bunch of really amazing films, including Good Time with Robert Pattinson and Adam Sandler's Uncut Gems. And this is another you know, big hit. So let's join Josh and see where he's talking to us from. Hi, Josh.
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2:25am i catching you in a trailer or in the back of a kitchen yeah in the back of a kitchen where are you where are we talking to you from i'm in i'm in i'm doing grueling press in london and they double booked me they this was kind of added late so i'm actually eating in the kitchen and i said can i do it they said can i do it in the bathroom and they said no because we need to have access to the bathroom i said do you have anywhere that i can do it so said the pastry thing because it's like morning stuff so they said it's pretty the traffic here is quite minimal so well you know as a director it kind of makes sense that there's some interesting depth to this shot yeah yeah i i hope so i mean i'm actually i'm hoping that people there's some really good pastries here yeah really like look here let me see let me see oh Oh, geez.
3:19We got a croissant. We got... Can you see that? Yeah, there's like a braided something. What is that? Hello. Sorry.
3:30Now there's someone coming to get the pastries. Thank you. Thank you. Listeners, now that someone came behind and are grabbing the pastries from behind our set. And we're going to need those pastries in there for continuity. We get those pastries back, Josh. some more. So we haven't had a chance to meet you and I am a huge, huge fan of your films and your work. Sorry. Wait, listeners, there's another person behind Josh getting some more pastries right now. This is amazing. Well, it's hard to make a good movie. Congratulations on making many. And this movie seems awesome. And you work with Gwyneth and Timothee Chalamet, so many other great people in your film.
4:14First of all, your casting is super interesting. How do you approach casting? You're like, you have someone in mind when you're writing or like, how do you approach casting in general? I, for most of the writing process, I try to think of somebody and write with their voice. So like casting Gwyneth is the reason why I wrote it for her. It's like, I have this memory of her. Obviously she's was acting until pretty recently, but I have this memory of her as like a teenager, as like a kid in the movies. like you know obviously for earlier like seven and and hard a pta and fincher and my cinematographer shot seven like those were like early like you're into filming like wow these are so but then like talented mr ripley and great expectations and a perfect murder amazing movie that she plays and later two lovers by james gray i mean she's talked about as a movie star who hasn't acted in a long time immediately and that I think for her also was really really special um because it was it was easy for her to tap into that but she like brought she's cool she's like like a boulder but also a feather at the same time so she's like she she brings that to the movie in such a great way but she she sent to me right before we started shooting I I scheduled it so that the first thing that we shot was her like acting on her character acting on stage for the first time in 25 years.
5:40So, and she turns to me, she's like, I hope I remember how to do this. And it was something so like, this person I like looked up to and one of my, the greatest actors and I just, you know, revered her and now she's coming to me and she's so vulnerable and it was so human. It was so like perfect it was so perfect that's the thing i think is so interesting about gwyneth is she balances those two things like a lot of real like self-awareness and self-assuredness and confidence and then a very open creative and vulnerable quality both of them a lot and and i really um i'm so interested in talking to her about exactly that that moment in your film I can't wait to hear you guys talk about it.
6:24The moment in the film when she is on stage and she kind of gets this glee that she's back. Oh, great moment. Great moment. Yeah, and it's shot so beautifully and captured so beautifully. And it does feel like we're talking to her in that moment when she's feeling like I'm an actress again, whatever. And do you ever even really stop? And to your point, I mean, she is one of the guests that I feel like is the most projected upon. She is used to being looked at. which is already hard, a hard thing. Like she can withstand being looked at. That's a hard thing. I can't. No, I, I can't. I like, I got, my wife and I got married at city hall partially because I didn't want to like stand on a aisle and get looked at.
7:11And she's like, as people say, she's got that dog in her, you know, and she can, she's, she's a lot. I mean, when I first went to meet with her, I just kept telling my agents, just please just get me in front of her. I was like full on Marty. And I pull up to her house and I go in and there's this thing that Hollywood does that people don't, sorry. But there's someone else coming for croissants. People don't know about this. And it's something that I learned in Hollywood a little bit later. It's like when you go and you meet someone in particular, someone of power, you go in and they have this trick that they do.
7:47I'm sure you know about this, where you have the assistant or someone they work with comes in after 15 minutes and they say, Oh, you know, we have your next meeting is here. Do you want me to push it? Or do you want me to like, do you want to, you know, jump now? And they, that's like a little thing is to get them out of the meeting. Like, this is a hard one. I'm going to get out of it. And I saw her assistant come in after 15 minutes. It's like, Oh man, that was so brief. And, but it was, we were really connecting on the history of this character. She's like, no, you know, just push it. I was like, all right, I'm in.
8:17And she pushed it like four times. So when I left, I was like, I think I did it. I think I like convinced her to do this just based on the push rule. Well, I know you are about to eat and there's nothing more stress. You know, it's the first rule of directing. When you have a croissant in the shot, you're going to have to eat it by the end of the interview. Just eat one of the ones with the little, look at this over here. Let's see what else we got. Josh is directing us. Ooh, oh, chocolate covered donuts. Okay, so to finish out, I asked my guests, my Zoom guests, to give me a question for the guest I'm talking to today.
8:55Is there anything big or small, you know, important, not important, that you would want to hear in this conversation with me and her? Or like you wanted to always ask her or advice or thoughts or anything that comes to mind? Oh, man. What did your son think of the movie? Beautiful. Because you guys just had a premiere. He just saw it. And I spoke to him very briefly. And he felt he had this kind of high about him. But I didn't get to talk. You know, you get pulled in all these directions. But I wanted to talk to him more. And his name is Moses. And the dog's name in the movie is Moses. And Moses is the purveyor, the moral.
9:36He's the moral purveyor. I love that. And also, Josh, I just find it so awesome that, you know, as the movie's coming out and it's getting these huge reviews and it's, it's out, people are getting to see it. You still care about what people think of it. You know, like it's, it's important for you to hear how it's. In the room, in the room. I try not to pay attention or read the other stuff. Well, I'm here to tell you it's a hit. Oh, thanks. I hope so. It's a hit, baby. Oh, thank you. You got a, you have a good meter on you. So that I'll like think you're not bullshitting me there. No, it's a hit.
10:14The kids love it. The critics love it. Awards all day, babe. Get ready. I don't believe in jinxes. Thank you so much for your time. I can't wait. Thank you. Send me a photo of you eating any baked goods that you get to get in that kitchen. Okay. I really hope the camera didn't see me touching the food. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for your time. Such a pleasure. Have a good time talking to Gwena. she's she's it's like talking to a movie star i can't wait okay okay thanks so much josh appreciate your time bye this episode is brought to you by visible got a resolution to save kick 2026 off right with visible it's a one-line wireless plan with unlimited data and hotspot for 25 a month taxes and fees included all on verizon's 5g network it's the ultimate wireless hack to save money and still get great coverage and a reliable connection.
11:12Now for a limited time, new members can get the Visible plan for just$19 a month for the first 26 months. Ring in the new year with code SWITCH26. Share the savings with a deal that is too good to keep quiet. Switch now at Visible.com. Terms apply, limited time offers subject to change. See Visible.com for plan features and network management details. Gwyneth is here. Gwyneth Paltrow is here, and we're checking her earrings. I mean, I feel like maybe. I feel like I need to come to you for this advice. Really? I'd love to see one off. I agree.
11:49Gwyneth Paltrow:What about that? I like that better. Oh, thank God. No, I'm thrilled that you took my. Oh, God. These are the worst. Yeah. I felt like they're like these big boingers. Like, why do I need to do that? And were they clip-ons? Yes, and they were really painful. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I don't think you need to boing it up. No more boingers, guys. No more big boingers on your ears. That's what we're saying for 2026. Hi. Hi. I'm so happy you're doing this. Thank you for being here. I've not seen you in such a long time. No, I was trying to think. I feel like the last time we may have seen each other was Rob Lowe's 60th birthday party.
12:29The most incredible young looking 60 year old in the world, Rob Lowe. Incredible. It's all the plastic surgery. Yeah. over and over and over again over and over um i mean and and i i feel like i i got to see you briefly there and sat next to your wonderful husband and had a really good convo with brad but um yeah that was it but we didn't get to we didn't we didn't get a good hang you know what i mean i'm very excited to talk to you today oh thanks thanks for being please lower your expectations. I do enjoy a low expectation too. But I wanted to kind of start in the present. You play this character in Marty Supreme who is coming back to acting.
13:14Gwyneth Paltrow:Yeah. You are also doing that in a real way in the film. You haven't been in a movie for 10 years. And there's this really beautiful moment in the movie where the actress hears the response and it's really cool. And and has this feeling of like, just, I don't know, joy of being, doing something again. Did you feel that when you were making this movie? I did. I did feel it. I was so, I don't know. It was like such a special group. You know, sometimes you do a project and you're like, oh, this feels really special. You know, it feels like, it feels like we're making something worthwhile. I don't know if people will like it or not, but it's like a real swing and everyone's great at their job.
14:01Gwyneth Paltrow:And so I was like, wow, I think I missed this, you know? It was like, it really, it felt so, I don't know, like not pedestrian. Like it felt very unique and like special. So we had this thing where we talked to people behind their back, well behind their back before they come on. Oh boy, okay. And we talked to Josh Safdie. Amazing. And what was it like to work with him? What kind of director is he? What was that experience like? It's just great. I mean, he's brilliant and kinetic. And what I love about working with him, too, is you never quite know what he's going for. So you never totally relax.
14:45Gwyneth Paltrow:You're like, what is he actually saying? Like, what do I? Or you'll do something one way, and then he'll ask you to do the exact opposite and then back to the first way. So you're like, what do you want? What are we going for? And I think that's by design, you know, to sort of unearth something surprising or very real. Do you like that when people keep you challenged a little bit? Yeah. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Because it's like a trust that they feel like you can handle it. As long as I think they're a good director. Right. Right. Because when someone's doing it, when you're, I'm sure you've had this happen.
15:23And there's no worse feeling in any job that you do. Anywhere where you show up where you're like, uh-oh, the person in charge is not ready or not good.
15:33Gwyneth Paltrow:I think what happens as an actor on that set is you become risk-averse. You're like, I'm not going to go too far out on a limb here because I don't know if I'm in safe hands or not. Are you the kind of person that would take over a situation if there wasn't a good captain? No. I mean, I would like in the AD department. I do anyway. I'm like, guys, come on. Let's go. What are we doing? Me too. It's actually like a problem I have to work on, which is like stop trying to shape the day. Right. I mean, I just like, I think I have an efficiency issue, you know? And like when I, I think what also really messed me up was when I went to go do Glee and I saw how much they got done in one day.
16:18Gwyneth Paltrow:TV is incredible. It's a machine. It's like you are never sitting there. Yeah. You work all day. Everything's so quick. Yeah. You leave the set and you're like, oh my God, we accomplished so much. You know, we're like on a Marvel movie, you're like in your trailer for 14 hours. I know. And then even take TV and then go to SNL, which is an emergency room, which is like, we need something tomorrow. Yeah. No problem. And then in films, it's like six months out and they're like, we can't do it. Is anyone going to come and get me? I'm going to die here. I'm going to die in my trailer. I know time is really weird.
16:57It's weird. Yeah. Like time is your currency. Like that's the only thing that's important left. That's right. And we're not getting, they're not making any more of it. So Josh was so, so, and he said something very sweet. Like his question for you, which is such a director's question and such a question from a director whose film has just come out, is what did your son think of the movie? He wanted to know what Moses thought of the movie.
17:22Gwyneth Paltrow:That's so sweet. He loved the movie. Yeah. He was, I mean, he, after the screening when I saw him, I said, he's like, it was incredible. It was, I mean, I had to kind of watch like this because there's some kissing. Sure. So that he was not a big fan of. Yeah. But other than that, he loved it. So many people project so much stuff on you, Gwyneth. Like you get so much stuff projected on you. And you spoke at the Hollywood Reporter event. You were receiving an award, the Sherry Lansing Women Leadership Award. And you spoke really beautifully about it, about this idea of versions of ourselves. Because I do think that every woman, everyone, man, woman, understands it.
18:02Hopefully, if you're doing some work and you're having some life experience, you keep kind of shedding stuff and figuring out things about yourself. and having those versions kind of be out in the world is really difficult because people get to have opinions about it but everybody understands that feeling yeah okay with that in mind i want to go to like the tiny doll the the little gwyneth because i i kind of i i know people that knew you when you were little you sure do you know um maya rudolph went to elementary school with you um what do you remember about being with her when when you two were little little people
18:37Gwyneth Paltrow:Well, our fathers were best friends from Tulane University. Wow. And so Maya came to our elementary school right after her mother died, unfortunately. And I remember my dad saying, oh, my friends, you know, daughter's coming. And we just became great friends since seven years old. Yeah. And I think our senses of humor really developed together with our other best friend or a couple of them. And then they all went to high school together. I moved to New York. Yeah. But stayed close with them forever and ever. It must be nice to have Dick Rudolph, Maya's amazing dad, in your life too because he knows so much about your dad who passed.
19:25Yeah. To have somebody who knew your dad when. That's always important, right? It's so important.
19:30Gwyneth Paltrow:Yeah. It's like it conjures them again. Yeah. You know, when they're in the room, they talk about them. And then it's like all of a sudden you feel the person. It's so nice. So then you go to New York, you go to Spence. What kind of high school, like what, who are, what are you like in high school? Are you confident? I think I, so I, we moved to New York City when I started seventh grade. I was coming from California, you know, so I was like a very rare bird. And middle school is so brutal. I know. It's so tender. It's very tender. It's like scarring for life, I think. It is. And it's very, everybody's trying on a lot of things.
20:12Exactly. Like maybe I'm emo. Maybe I only talk to animals. Right. I was trying all kinds of things.
20:22Gwyneth Paltrow:How old were you when you did your, was Heart 8 your first film with PTA? No, my first film, I was probably 18, something like that. I had a few films where I had like one line, you know? Sometimes it's hard to have one line because there's a lot of pressure. And you're like in the mirror saying your one line, saying it again. Did you ever get fired from a job? I got fired from like, I worked in Madison Avenue at a toy store and I got fired. But you mean like a movie job? Why did you get fired from the toy store? Do you remember why? Oh, because I was working. My parents always made my brother and I have jobs after school.
21:00Gwyneth Paltrow:And so I didn't know that like, oh, everyone doesn't just go on spring break. Like people have jobs. So I went on spring break. And didn't tell anybody. Nope. And then I came back and I remember the look on his face. She's like, no. Where are you? She was like, no toys were sold. She's like, this is not how life works. She's like, you're done here. I was so crushed. Oh, yeah. I was like 12. It was really, it was brutal. 12? I should have sued her for child labor law violations. Yeah. But anyway, I feel like I got, I did get, you know, I was supposed to do a movie at one point where, and it was like right after the kind of conscious uncoupling thing with Chris and there was like a lot of harsh stuff in the press.
21:58Gwyneth Paltrow:And I think the distributor was like, this might be too hot to touch. Interesting. Yeah. They were like, we don't need the heat. Yeah. Interesting. So that was great because I was getting a divorce and then I got fired off. So it was so awesome. You were like, oh, sorry that my divorce is bothering you. I mean, if I can stay there for a second, boy, you were ahead of your time. Yeah. You really were. Thank you. Because you gave— Which is good and bad. I know. It's probably not easy. I think you've been in that position before. But you gave a—and it wasn't your term. It was a term you were talking about.
22:37Yes. to like bracket this idea that if you want to, you can try to make the dissolution of a marriage be one that isn't deeply painful. You can try your best. You can have all of the feelings, but you can still try together to make like a conscious effort to do that. That's what you were talking about. And it's really interesting that people had such big reactions to that.
23:08Gwyneth Paltrow:Yeah, huge. Because I think, like, say you had a really nasty divorce, or your parents had had a really nasty divorce. And then you hear this idea that, like, it doesn't have to be done this way. I think the implicit learning is like, oh, fuck, like, they're saying I did something wrong. Yeah. And which, of course, was not the intention. But I think, of course, that, I mean, that makes sense to me. Like, oh no, like is, is the inference that I messed someone up? Like that's not a nice thing to contemplate. So I do understand why it was so personal for people. Cause it was like, you only get to see that kind of reaction when it's personal.
23:52So true. And I think too, you know, we all, we're all like when we're defensive about anything, it's saying a lot about, about something. and when we're hurt
24:01Gwyneth Paltrow:we say things we don't mean we get angry, we respond that's humanity comedy is a little bit interesting in this way too which is like what we ridicule what we make fun of it says so much about us what we laugh at makes sense so much about us what we think is and it tells on you like it really tells on you you reveal yourself you do and I have to say I've always really admired your sense of humor about people's reactions to things. Like, you have to, you have to kind of have it. And we got to experience, I mean, we, we, I got to do SNL with you and see how funny you were. And it was, we had fun.
24:48We did have fun. I was just thinking today about the stuff that we did together. Do you remember?
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24:52Gwyneth Paltrow:I was thinking about that sketch we did where Will played our dad. Yeah, so Will was our angry dad. And we were like gangster teenagers, like thinking we were gangsters. Yeah, like I think the joke of the scene was we just quietly ate dinner. We were like scraping the plate. Yeah, we would like have an outburst and then go back to like quietly eating like awkward teenagers with the family. The second time I was definitely less nervous. The third time I was, yeah, I feel like I got to sort of enjoy it. And it was fun to like meet different incarnations of the cast and stuff. And like, I think I was on like Jimmy's first season.
25:31I know there was a sketch with you and Dratch and Jimmy when they used to do like Sully and Denise, like Boston teens. Oh, yeah. They were at the prom. Oh, my God. That's right. I totally forgot about that. And you did a pretty good Boston accent, I have to say. Thank you. It's not easy. It isn't easy.
25:47Gwyneth Paltrow:Now I married a guy from Boston, so. Does he, does he, I mean, Bostonians are really picky about the Boston accent. Well, there's different kinds. There's sort of the patrician one and then there's like. Which is pretty much gone. Pretty much gone. The Kennedy one is kind of gone. Yeah. And the, there's just like kind of your local. Yeah. Dunkin' Donuts. My husband doesn't have really a Boston accent except like on O words. Like he's like stock. He says stock? Yeah. You can just like, it's like very. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. He's like socks. It's just subtle, but it's there. Totally sucks. I get it when I get a little angry or a little tired.
26:27You do? I had a hard time when I would do Parks and Rec with the word, I still have a hard time with it, government. How do you say it? Because I want to say government. Right. Like I want to skip over the ERN. I want to get rid of the R. Yeah, get rid of it. Yeah, who cares? Who cares?
26:44Gwyneth Paltrow:Say it your way.
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28:50okay you're an actress you do 15 movies in five years wow that's psycho i mean babe that's problematic how did you do that i have no idea it's probably why i quit for 10 years
29:07Gwyneth Paltrow:afterwards i was like no i'm not doing no 15 that's insane i know can you imagine i just like But this sort of touches back on what we were talking about, which is I didn't feel like I knew myself and had the agency to say no. I felt like I better just keep going and going and going. And I didn't bring a lot of strategy to it. Yeah, well, you don't know what you don't know. We can't be tough on ourselves. You're trying to figure out, especially in your 20s. I mean, your 20s is, I think, a really difficult decade. Oh, my gosh. It really is. It is. painful. It's just, you don't know at all who you are.
29:49If there's a problem, do you like people, how do you like people telling you about a problem? Let's say, I'll make up a problem. Like, let's say someone isn't going to show up for something that you want to do. Like, you're scheduled to do something a day and it's not going to happen. How do you like being told about the problem? Just straight up. Yeah. That's what I suspect from you. I don't want to preamble.
30:12Gwyneth Paltrow:I don't want you to soften the language. Just be direct. Same. A direct approach. It's always, and are you direct with other people? Yes, now I am. I didn't used to be. Do they, do you, what do you do when you notice that your directness makes them uncomfortable? What do you do with their uncomfortable feeling? Well, I'm a recovering codependent. So I used to do anything and everything not to say the thing that would make the waters choppy. And then I realized how many more problems I caused, like real problems, you know? I so relate. Can you say more about this? Yeah, like I think when you don't say what needs to be said in the moment to spare somebody else's feelings, first of all, like you're rejecting the truest part of yourself.
31:06Gwyneth Paltrow:and then it's going to come out another way. And that's like, you'll end up being dishonest. You'll end up not saying what needs to be said. You'll end up stringing out some lame relationship for eight extra months and treating them not so nicely because you have stuck yourself in something. You know, you just make a mess. Yeah. So I think around the time I turned 40 is when I started to move into this, like, I really need to stop doing this. And I worked with a coach on how to hold the uncomfortable feelings of somebody else and disappointing somebody else. I really had a problem with it with men.
31:45Like when I worked with men, really hard time disappointing them or saying something that wasn't aligned with their version of things.
31:54Gwyneth Paltrow:And now, I don't know. And then it's so self-honoring when you just speak the truth and you can do it very kindly. like and it's also not your responsibility to take care of somebody's feelings when you've simply said the truth it's a huge i'm not just women everyone needs to learn it but especially when you learn as a woman our age that people are responsible for their own feelings it sounds like a very simple thing but it's very very hard to learn yep yep yep yep
32:31now that you're in a new film like are you able to look back at some of the films that you've been in and see like be kinder to yourself about stuff like are you able to be a little bit sweeter to yourself about anything yeah I mean I think as far as the work is concerned I think that that I
32:49Gwyneth Paltrow:had such a long break and things have changed and you know it's like now I'm like the venerable old you know you know what I mean and like I did this interview with Jacob Elordi the other day and he was like you've done this and this and I'm like fuck I'm old as hell like it's so weird people are like my mom I remember my mom loves you my mom when my mom was in high school she loved SNL I'm like, can I get a selfie for my mom? Like, how old am I? Like, but I do think that, you know, there's been a bit of a, it's so interesting because now I'm like, oh yeah, like I did these things that now, you know, at the time you don't think that they're going to be whatever.
33:37Gwyneth Paltrow:And then it's like, you know, people send you 10 pictures every Halloween of Margot Tenenbaum costumes. Or like people say like, oh God, I had a sliding doors moment where I X, Y, and Z. You know what I mean? Yes, cultural things have stuck. Yes, exactly. And oh, I worked with this great director in his first film and this one and his second. This one is first. I'm like, yeah, cool. Like I did do that stuff. That's neat. You know, and it feels like for the first time I'm able to feel the impact of the work that I did earlier in my life. Okay, so with that in mind, I'm going to do a quick speed round with you about your movies.
34:14Because you've been in so many. And I feel like you've talked about them forever. But here we go with speed round. Shakespeare in Love. What words help you get into a British accent?
34:28Gwyneth Paltrow:um you know it's like the vowels like you sort of have to change the placement of the vowels like so any any words like um the a's the o's and words like perfect cold mountain how cold was the mountain i wasn't in cold mountain oh forget it then but thanks for thinking i'm nicole kidman bonus
34:57Gwyneth Paltrow:wait why did i think you had cold mountain i don't know but i'm so happy eyes wide shut what was it like working with your husband tom cruise oh he was hot yeah i bet iron man um is there a lot of waiting around you answered that that was my question is is there a lot of waiting around on iron man so much waiting crafty must be good marvel crafty must be insane i don't know Oh, interesting. They cheap out on. You know what? I have to say, I think like, I think snack foods can be dangerous. And snacking is like, at least I know for me, is completely emotional. Yeah. Completely emotional. Yeah. It is, isn't it?
35:39Yeah. It's just like if you're not having a cigarette or you're going for a drink. Those were the days. I know. Remember cigarettes? We talk about it here and we know they're very bad for you, but God. God, that came up with such a great time. I know, man. I know.
35:55Gwyneth Paltrow:You know what I decided when I'm like 87, I'm going to start smoking again. Fantastic. I mean, I remember when we were in the 2000s when there was a lot of that. And then also you were the first person to say the word macrobiotic diet. You were on a macrobiotic diet. Yeah. That was a great phase where it was like cigarettes and tofu with the brown rice and the seaweed. Like, I don't know what. But I was just cleaning your house while it's on fire kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. Sliding doors. You mentioned it. Do you ride the subway? Do I ride the subway? Yeah. I mean, I haven't in a while because I don't live in New York City anymore.
36:33Gwyneth Paltrow:But when I did, I took it all the time. And do you have to go pretty incognito? Like, do you feel like you can kind of blend? Yeah. Don't you feel like New Yorkers are just - New Yorkers don't care. They don't care. Yeah. Contagion. Was it weird that everybody was watching it during the pandemic? Yes. everyone was watching it. I know. Everyone got really into dark shit. I know. And it's like they wanted to see you dying from an illness. I know. Your character, your character. It was very weird. I know. Royal Tenenbaums, Halloween costume. Yeah. And so much more. And so much more. You're smiling.
37:13Gwyneth Paltrow:I just love, I really love that movie. Yeah, it's a great movie. And I had such a good time making the movie. Yeah. It's such a cool character. She's so cool. She's so cool. She's so cool. I know, with her wooden finger. I know. Talk about cigarettes. I know. And I quit smoking, and then I had to smoke in the movie. And you were like, oopsie. I was like, I guess I smoke again. That fur coat, whose idea was that the costume? It's all Wes. Wes knows how he wants every... single prop and costume and everything. He's so wonderfully specific. I loved that. I loved stepping into this drawing of his.
38:01Yeah. That's what it felt like. It's so cool. Talented Mr. Ripley, did you, speaking of clothes, did you use any of your own clothes in that film or did you keep any of the clothes?
38:11Gwyneth Paltrow:I should have kept some. I wish I'd kept a couple, like one souvenir from every movie but I never thought to do that at the time I I Ann Roth who's like the most legendary costume designer did that movie yeah and um so she was just so amazing oh I love those costumes but legendary costume designers can also be really intimidating like they because they they don't let you keep anything that's true view from the top do flight the flight attendants talk to you about that they do yeah that's the that's the that's the best part of having done that movie. Do you ever think about like a fantasy other job you would do?
38:50Would there be a job like it, whether it's flight attendant or like where you would feel like you'd be good at it?
38:55Gwyneth Paltrow:I would like to be a chef if I wasn't like, I think I could have done that. Well, I love cooking and food and yeah, that, that would be, I could have like a little restaurant somewhere, you know, I'm a hook. Yeah. Robin Williams. Oh my gosh. I, I didn't get to I thought you were just about to say I wasn't in Hook. No, I wasn't in Hook. Panicking. Don't think I will forever think all my whole life that I said you were in Cold Mountain. I just want you to know. This is an honest mistake. Nicole Kidman and I are very interchangeable. Thank you very much. But Hook, did you work with Robin? No, I didn't.
39:40Gwyneth Paltrow:Did you get to know him? You know, I only got to know him a bit when Good Will Hunting came out because I was dating one of the people who wrote that movie and was in that movie at the time. Right, we're well aware. And so I got to know him then. So you guys were dating during Good Will Hunting. Fantastic Boston movie. After. Okay. But when it was coming out. And so he was around for that press and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He's so good in that movie. Oh, he's so good. That movie really is. I love that movie. Me too. It's a perfect movie. I agree. I love it so much. And it's so, like, rainy day movie.
40:21Gwyneth Paltrow:It's like a rainy day movie. And Elliot Smith, who did all the music, and Gus. It's just perfect. I love it so much. What's a rainy day? What's a movie that when it comes on, you're like, jackpot. I'm going to watch it. Like a rainy day, you know, a plane movie. something if you're like I gotta watch this I like like all the 80s movies me too like what? like San Omar's Fire ugh I will never not watch that if it's on I you know getting back to Rob Lowe Rolo as we called him on set I would just sometimes like sit there Rashida always said yes Rashida he loves it and he's never had a he's never really had a nickname he said and the best thing is it like didn't spread as much as you guys tried to make it a thing and we all call him Rolo we call him Rolo but it didn't go outside you know what I mean and he really I think wants it to go outside of course he's like I've never had a nickname I know he loves it I remember like the first day on set me saying to Rolo it was his birthday and he was shooting on his birthday and I was like oh have you ever been on set for your birthday and he was like yes like 400 times and I was like right you've had a long career um San Elmo's Fire Billy Rolo as Billy.
41:38Rolo as Billy. Bad boy. Can't change him. Heaven. Heaven.
41:43Gwyneth Paltrow:He was never my celebrity crush. Who was? I mean, well, Keanu Reeves was my first like real. But when I watched St. Elmo's Fire, like I wanted to, like I would have gone with Judd Nelson. Oh, interesting. You wanted them more professional. Yeah. Yeah, Billy was too hectic. You know, really like smart and cheater. Like that was my type. Yeah. Also, when you rewatch that movie, it's like everyone is so dressed so professionally. I know. We really did dress like we were when we were in our 20s. We dressed like we were 60 year old. Yeah, the 80s. And it's happening again now. Like not the Wall Street thing, but sort of like this sort of grandma chic, like all the all the hipster cool kids are sort of, you know, it's like the soft.
42:33Gwyneth Paltrow:Everything's soft shoulders. You tell me. Knitted things. I got a quarter zip just for this interview. So you tell me. It's looking really good. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Okay. And Han, both Han, you brought up Rashida. Both Rashida and Han love you and talk about how fun it is to hang with you. And how, like, they both, you know, and they're, I think, representative of a lot of people who kind of want to know what you think about things. Because they trust your style. They trust what you said, like the work you try to do to figure out what is the best thing of things. And it's not even about the things.
43:12It's just like, is there someone who's keeping an eye out and figuring out, like, is there a better way to do something? You love that. Love that. Where do you think that comes from?
43:26Gwyneth Paltrow:I think I'm an Enneagram one. Okay, jackpot. Here we go. so like I'm always trying to improve everything great so for people and I don't know anyone who's listening to this who hasn't hopefully what is Enneagram one how would you describe you into the Enneagram thing very much again okay do you want to guess my number nobody ever gets it right god here we go I'm always I always get the wrong I always people guess the wrong number which saddens me because I love, I love, yes. Ask some questions. Please. Okay. Like how would you describe yourself as someone who really enjoys a dinner party? Yes.
44:10Gwyneth Paltrow:Okay. Would you describe yourself as somebody who is very focused on achieving? Yes. Are you a peacemaker? No. You're talking about three. You're talking about nine. I'm neither one of those. I know. That's what I just gleaned. Yeah.
44:38Gwyneth Paltrow:So how - I have a peacemaker wing. Okay. Ah. So you're a one. You're not a one with a two wing? No. Okay. You're not an eight. Yes, I am. Okay. Why do people know this? You're an eight. I am an eight. You're an eight with a nine wing. Yes. So I'm not a monster, right? Because I got a little peacemaker in me. Yeah. But I'm a challenger. You're a challenger. Okay. And I think I hide it, but I definitely relate to all of that feeling of like, authority stuff and challenging a little bit and wanting to lead and want and feeling very happy with direct people like i'm i'm like you like i really like when people tell me the truth and are direct i can handle it all day long wow but when people come sideways i'm like what's going on yeah it's such a bad bad feeling yeah and i love enneagram ones because ones are on it yeah we're on it and they believe in like getting it right they're the hardest on themselves oh yeah they are really hard on themselves um so we are trying to make things better right we're the reformer so you're always and i've always been like refining to figure out what is a better way to get efficient like to do it like yeah to improve yourself to feel contentment to you know reduce inflammation, to be a good partner, to be a good divorce person.
46:10Gwyneth Paltrow:Yeah. Okay. So with your striving for perfection in mind, I have another one more speed round. Oh, okay. Perfection speed round. Here we go. Make it perfect. Cold plunge, a lot of controversy about whether or not it's right for women. I said that I do it. And there were a lot of comments saying it's not good for women. Do you do it? Do you like to do it? How do you feel about it? I do do it more sparingly. Like my husband does it every single day. So I spent a lot of time researching this. And what I think I understand that the net net of it is cold plunging is not unilaterally terrible for women, but we kind of need to listen to ourselves and maybe not the water quite as cold as the men.
46:57Gwyneth Paltrow:Like that. Maybe not quite as long as the men. And, you know, to just be mindful of where, where we are, you know, if we're exhausted and, you know, cause it can be quite taxing on the body, but it's still, there are still benefits for us. Speaking of temperature, what do you like for your sleeping temperature? Well, the older I get, the colder I like it. Me too. I like, you know, in the sixties. Yeah. Me too. Ooh. I love it. Cozy. Alcohol after 50. Oh, why did they have to ruin it for us? I know. It's like, it's a disaster. It's such a bummer. Coffee? Yes, big time. I'm a big coffee drinker. How do you drink your coffee?
47:43Gwyneth Paltrow:With raw heavy cream. What? I know. Shocked. I know. That's very New York of you and not California. I know. Good job. I'm like the alt, I'm not the alt milk queen. Yeah. Same. Yeah. Oh, do you have regular milk or cow milk? I have half and half. Yeah. Yeah. No shame in it. But I don't really do coffee. I do tea. Oh, that's very civilized. Very English. Okay. Lemon water. Love it. Great. Bone density. What are we going to do about it? We're going to talk to our doctor about potential estrogen supplementation. Totally. We're going to do heavy weights. Yes. Lots of heavy weights. Are you doing heavy weights?
48:30Gwyneth Paltrow:Yeah. I do it on this giant, really heavy Pilates reformer thing called the Legree. Fantastic. That seems to be good. I'm going to look this up right now. Yeah. Giant reformer. It's called the Legree. It's very, very good. And we're going to gag down protein 70 times a day. Oh, bone broth. Has that come and gone? Bone broth is great. I still, I still like bone broth. I, I think it's, it's fantastic for your gut. It's full of protein and collagen, all the things. For some reason, people thought I only drank bone broth that I'm, but I'll have it as like a cup of tea in the afternoon. That's my favorite way to have it.
49:12Interesting. Sleep routine. Talk me through it. Okay.
49:16Gwyneth Paltrow:So I have to take a bath every night. Wow. Yeah. Have to. Non-negotiable. Interesting. And if there's not a bathtub, then I have to shower. I got to get the day off with water. And I think part of my good sleep routine is eating dinner early, so not going to bed on a full stomach. Yes. What time do you like to eat dinner? I like it at 6. Okay, me too. I make my reservations at 6 p.m. So do I. I love it so much. It's so great. And honestly, sometimes I like to be the first person in the restaurant. I was last night. I did 545 last night. Incredible. I know. To be in bed and have eaten by 8 o 'clock.
49:57Gwyneth Paltrow:Is there anything better? No. I think about bedtime all day. Me too. I love it so much. I know, me too. I love it so much. And then Brad and I usually watch something in bed, which I know you're not supposed to do. I know. But, you know, it's so deeply relaxing to me. Yeah. get in there in a cold room and like watch some serial killer doing something. It's so great. And then, you know, go to sleep and then, oh, I have mouth tape and earplugs. Mouth tape. Yeah. I'm big into the mouth tape. I know that's controversial too. Mouth tape because there's a whole mouth tape movement. There's pro there's, but, but mouth tape is helpful.
50:36Do you, are you a grinder?
50:37Gwyneth Paltrow:I'm a grinder. Yeah. So it's helpful for me. Also, I really believe that there's no one-size-fits-all solution. Like, we're all so different. Totally. We have such different genetics, different phenotypes, different tolerances, allergies, toxic loads. Like, we're all—this idea that one thing works for everyone, I think, is not true. See, this is why we love you, Gwyneth. It's true. You just said all this stuff and it was like, you are not selfish. You are not a gatekeeper. No, that I am not. You're like, I'm trying this. Would you like to try this? I don't think this works, but who knows? Right.
51:17It's interesting. It's kind of like even though you maybe consider yourself a person who's trying to get it right, you're not afraid to try and fail with things and you share it with us. For sure. Yeah.
51:30Gwyneth Paltrow:Yeah. I believe in, I mean, also because I'm such a researcher and such a guinea pig, like I want to share the learnings. Then take it or leave it. Okay. And then the last thing I'm going to ask you about is what is making you laugh? So the thing that's made me laugh the hardest in like the past year, when was the SNL thing that I lazily did not go to? because I you didn't go to the SNL 50th? no wow I know it was a mistake and I regret it so I just want to say that out loud you were like oh that's you just thought like I was like oh that's fun oh I'll wait another 50 years
52:13I was like
52:14Gwyneth Paltrow:it seems like I had so much work at the time true it's going to be hectic and I was like I got to go all the way to New York and I had something the next day so I just couldn't go yes but I watched the thing at um, Radio City or whatever. What was the night before thing? Yes. Incredible music show the night before. Wait, what are you going to say? I love it. I don't know. I'm going to, I'm going to try to. When Anna and Will did the church thing. I talked to Anna about it. Bobby and Marty. Did you write that? Oh, I wish. No, Paula Pell, the great Paula Pell, incredible writer on SNL and performer and Anna and Will do these Bobby and Marty cult.
53:00And she starts singing Kendrick Lamar. Yes. And what Anna said, which was so incredible is, I got to tell you something. And I think I said this to Anna, but I just want to extrapolate for a second about it. To me, it was so, it was like such a win for the comedy kids because it was such a cool night. they literally followed lauren hill they came on after lauren hill i mean and their job was to settle everybody they had to go like we're gonna wait we're gonna wait until you stop talking quiet they kept telling everyone to be quiet and it was so it was so funny to me that's like
53:38Gwyneth Paltrow:that i don't know what brand of comedy you call that but it's like that funny bones where what what what was the kendrick lamar song she's like um oh we gotta we gotta look at it for a second it was what was it what was it yeah let's just watch it and i hope we can get it on like is the 50th snl yeah it was like on hulu or something like that here we go honestly i
54:26I'm sorry. I know the commitment. What kind of humor? What do you call that? I'm sweating. Like to me, what I would call that, honestly, it's a great question. To me, I would call it like committed. We got a spit take.
54:44Our first one.
54:52We got our first fit take on Good Hang and it's Quinnis. It's all over my skirt. Here we go. Here's some Good Hang tissues. Oh my God.
55:07Gwyneth Paltrow:I can't breathe. It's so funny. Wait, let's play it again. Please don't. I'm sweating. I'm dying.
55:23Gwyneth Paltrow:Oh my God. Okay, so that's called sketch comedy.
55:31I need a fan. We're having a hot flash. Oh my God. I'm the one in the quarters. A sketch comedy induced hot flash. Yes. I feel like what you're talking about is real, which is, I feel like it is commitment. It's commitment. Here, I'll take it. I'll pick it up on my way out. I feel like it's commitment. and I feel like it's character-based sketch comedy with music. That's how I would describe it.
55:59Gwyneth Paltrow:It's so, to me, that's like the funniest thing I've ever seen. I know what you mean. I like, you know, it's like these weird specific things. And in person, it was so funny. That was really fun. It was really fun. Gwyneth, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. You're such a good hang. You're a good hang. thank you so much Gwyneth it's so fun um to hang with you uh and you gave us this first bit take that we've ever had on the show and we hope it's not the last so thank you so much and you know for this polar plunge um I want to talk about polar plunges I want to talk about cold dips there was a lot of controversy when I brought it up last time and I am here to just remind you you don't have to do it.
56:45I like it. It makes me feel alive slash like I'm going to die. And I like it. I know it might not be good for all women. And maybe it's not good for me. I'll find out. Okay. But I'm going to keep plunging. And it does make me feel better. Okay. I don't know. I don't know what to say. I appreciate. I'm not telling anybody to do it, but if you want to do it, I think it's great. Okay. Anyway, thank you so much for listening. Thanks, Gwyneth, for joining us. And see you soon. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler.
57:30The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Alaya Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.
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Gwyneth Paltrow watches TV in bed even though she knows she's not supposed to. Amy hangs with the actress and entrepreneur and talks about getting fired from a toy store, whether she was in 'Cold Mountain,' and whether or not we should still be cold plunging.
Host: Amy PoehlerGuests: Josh Safdie and Gwyneth PaltrowExecutive producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-BermanFor Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel LovellFor The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson and Aleya Zenieris; audio producer Kaya McMullen; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and booker Kat SpillaneOriginal Music: Amy Miles
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