Jon Hamm

26:25You're so good. And I think I just did that to you recently. You did. Well, that must have been the impetus for me starting it. Cause Anna, my wife, Anna and I had, hadn't really, I hadn't watched it back since the first time. And, um, so we're on like episode five or six now. And I, and I texted, what happens? Don't tell me. Um, I texted slide, took a picture of it and texted Slattery. It was just like, remember this day? It was the first day we shot and I just remember all that stuff. And it was wild. It was very wild. Obviously that was 20 years ago, 15 years ago, um, 20 years ago. Well, we, um, I don't usually bring this up early in the, in the, in the podcast, but I will now cause it makes sense.

27:09So, you know, we do this thing where we talk well behind somebody's back before, and we talked to Slattery today and he's the best and, and he loves you. And we talked about just that about, and it was funny cause I said, do you feel like a big brother to John? And he said in a very big brotherly way, he was like, I feel like we're equals. I feel like I learn as much from John as he learns from me. I feel like I'm not teaching him things. I just feel like we're, but that's also a very big brother thing to say. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, part of it was, you know, it's funny for me too, because I remember the first couple episodes or the first season of shooting the show and his son, Harry was six, as was Kiernan, who played my daughter on the show, Sally.

27:50And now they're 26. Yeah. This lightning and bottle thing that just all of a sudden happens. I point to Mad Men and think like, I worked very hard to get in that room. Well, I think a lot of people know this. You worked hard and you were really grinding. For sure. Like you were working probably for 10 years in a lot of different things. Not quite 10, but a solid six or seven years as a working actor on stuff that nobody watched. Just stuff. Did you ever get close to stuff where you were? Everything. I was, I was the other guy in every thing. And in fact, the year I, I got Mad Men, I had, I had tested when we used to do that seven times.

28:35I'd gone to the network, the last step before you get hired seven times. For seven different projects? Seven different projects. Oh, four, seven. What do you, do you remember what some of them were? I don't. Yeah. They were Like sitcoms and stuff, you know, that, you know, and in the old days, now it just feels like everything gets, gets produced. In the old days, it was like, they do a pilot, they test it, they'd see if it worked. Maybe you'd get fired, which I did on several occasions. And, and it's, it's such a bananas way to do it. But that was the, that was how it was. And the madman audition process you've talked about many times, but it was arduous.

29:16Arduous. I started at the very, very bottom. The first audition was a pre-read, just reading with the casting directors. They didn't know my work. Not that they would. And it was in Santa Monica. And I lived in Silver Lake. So it was like an hour and a half to get across town in the rain on a Friday. And I met them. And there was another kid sitting in the waiting room. And he was like, it's like a 16, 17-year-old kid. And I was like, am I in the right place? He goes, are you here for the toothpaste ad? I go, what? No. Then it was like, what toothpaste ad? They're looking for somebody. An older guy, the weight of the world on his shoulders.

30:00And it was literally, they were casting, the other room was casting a commercial. And this was, they were like, no, no, no, we're in here. Hi, sorry, sorry. And I was like, hi, nice to meet you. Wow. The next day was another one of those. a few days later was then more and more people are in the waiting room then you start to see people that have signed up you're like recognize that guy's name he was on sports night he'll probably get it yeah um and it was that that that that that six seven eight times and then finally i got to new york they flew me to new york on somebody's miles wow and uh when you went in for that last one.

30:38Did you, the last one was, was, was meet the executives and Matthew Weiner to his create credit. He goes, I go, do I have this job? Like what's happening? You're flying me to New York. He goes, I'm going to walk you around the production office and I'm going to introduce you as Don Draper and you're going to act like you have the job. Oh God, that's giving me anxiety. And I was like, okay. And he's like, Hey, we, this is our Don, you know, it's John. I say hi to the cat, the costume designer and the hair and makeup. And we're going to do this. And he's walking me around this whole thing. And I'm like, I've not heard officially from anybody, anything.

31:09Oh my God. So then we go to, to meet the executives from AMC who are these four very young executives. Yeah. AMC was a young company. Brand new, brand new. Hadn't done anything. And we go and we have drinks and we're having a drink and I'm with Matt and Scott Hornbach are the two producers and, and, and the three executives and kind of holding my drink. And I'm like, what, what are we, what is this? What are we doing? Is this, this is, if this is a prank, this is the most elaborate meanest yeah prank yeah and so we're having drinks and they're like here's to the show and i'm like yeah here's to the show and i drink the drink and we go and and and uh and i'm like we get it into the elevator they still haven't said anything and and uh and the lady who's in charge finally turns to me because you know you got the job right oh my god No, I didn't.

31:59This would have been way more fun earlier when we were having drinks to toast. And I said, no, we didn't. And we go down the elevator and the elevator doors opened up. There's a million paparazzi in the lobby of the Maritime Hotel. And I'm like, oh my God, like, wow, that was fast. Like, holy shit. But they're all speaking German. I'm not making this up. in the elevator with me was a very famous German football player named Franz Beckenbauer. One of the like lions of the German Bundesliga, what have you. And I was like, oh, it's there for him. Never mind. Guys, guys. Guys, guys, I'm not giving interviews yet.

32:41Not yet. Let me get to the post. Oh, in German? Yeah, that's him. Okay, just a few madman questions. I know, you know, the show is, I just, John, that part, you, that writing, that show, that show is Hall of Fame. Thank you. And Hall of Fame performance. I don't disagree. I think it's a great show. I was pleasantly surprised watching it back to not be mortified. I'm so happy to hear that because it is just pristine. And your performance is so good, so measured, so controlled. and it like all the characters in the show starts to unravel in the perfect way it does pay off that's what's really i think really nice about the show is that as it as it does unravel it kind of is a satisfying payoff for kind of everybody thematically this idea that like the character of john draper is being presented in this way which we like project all this stuff on him just like we would any ad any version of like a person and then we realize he is a person like we all are Like, but.

33:48Heavily flawed. Heavily flawed. But yet what I love about the show is people change, but not a lot. So there's never like. Matt has said, and I think it's a great way to describe it. He said, I want people to realize that the characters are, are going to be just a little bit better at the end. Just a little bit. Yeah. You know, just a little change. And Don, my God, you know, the whole arc of the final season is him sort of shedding everything, his family, his job, his stuff. Yeah. And he ends up on the end of the continent. Yeah. The very end of the continent. And that's kind of when he realizes like, oh, wait, I'm really good at this job.

34:29I should probably just go back and do the job that I'm really good at. And my question to you is, having rewatched, and I don't know if you remember, but at the end, Don lets everything go. can you just tell me about the scene in the group, the group therapy scene where that wonderful day player, sorry, I don't know his name, actor, breaks down because he feels invisible. Can you tell me about that day? And reading that, because that's a big scene to do at the end of seven seasons with someone who's not, you don't know. I don't, I don't, that was the whole last half of that season for me. was being away from everybody that I had spent 90 other episodes with.

35:16That's right. That's right. Slotty and I did our last scene. It's kind of a weird little nothing scene. It was just us in a bar talking about something. And I said, you know, this is our last scene together. And he goes, what? Because it was like three episodes before we were done. He's like, no, it isn't. I go, no, no, no. He goes, no. I go, yeah. And it was, it's kind of great that it's just that, that moment. It's just, that's what it is. And then you don't see that guy. So there was a lot of that stuff for me and a lot of, a lot of, it was tremendously difficult. Yeah. Cause I was handling a lot of personal mishigas in my life, a lot of craziness and just being on a show for that long is a lot.

36:03And saying goodbye to it. Saying goodbye to it. It's a grief. It's a grieving process. You know it very well. um so that particular scene and we were we we shot out of order that wasn't the last thing we shot obviously but we we were on location yeah we were up in big sir yeah so we were even physically separated from uh most the stages all the stuff um our trailers i was living in a hotel like it was it was so it was like four or five days in a row up there and it was heavy it was super heavy work yeah um you i very much felt the weight of the end of the show yeah and the responsibility of like don't fuck this up you can fuck anything else up but you cannot fuck this up this is the end of a very very very long story and if you shit the bed on this it's not gonna that will be what you are known for.

37:01But I do remember that thinking that this kid is killing it. He was wonderful. And everyone in there were a lot of like writers interspersed in the group. People that have never watched Mad Men, don't listen to this part. But it is, there is a moment, not to give too much away for people that haven't seen it, but I mean, it has been 20 years, but where John is like gone basically to like an esalen, like retreat and to basically, like to your point, he's lost everything. And he's in what is an early version of group therapy and the closest he's ever had to actually really truly sitting in his feelings.

37:41And a man, another man who he doesn't know is expressing this thing that Don understands really well. Deep dissatisfaction, deep, un, un, um, what's the right word? Unworthiness. Unworthiness. Yeah. Maybe it's just invisibility. You said earlier that whole kind of thing and there's a refrigerator and all this. It's like, it's a beautiful piece of writing. Um, and it's, it's incredibly emotional moment, not only for this man, but for Dawn and there's a, there's a connection that they have. Okay. Well, I want to slow it down because, you know, I like to talk to the TV. By the way, I did not know that, but I can imagine it.

38:24I'm an old lady. I can imagine it now. I also am an old person in a younger person's body. But I paused in this moment and I was just like, this is Jon Hamm. I was like, the moment when you approach and hug that man is such good acting. It's like, Jon, it's so, so good. You did stick the landing. Well, thank you. You nailed it. I felt very, very good about what I did on that show. And it was like masculinity, which a lot of the show is about. And we are all like, look, like John Draper, John Hamm, Amy Poehler, we're all like living in a patriarchal world and trying to figure it out and suffering in different ways.

39:13That moment when like two strangers, men of that generation are hugging, it was so moving. Well, and it's because you don't really, Don gets there under such duress and it's such a strange journey that he ends up there and he's lost this connection with his job, his family, his everything. It's really the Siddhartha kind of moment of just shed everything and to discover who you really are. And there's a moment. And of course, the opening sequence of the show is this man falling out of a building and everyone's like, this is where he does it. He's going to jump off the cliff. He's going to kill himself.

39:51This is the end of the show. He's going to die. And it's, it could have gone that way. I think there's a version of this story where Don doesn't get it and doesn't allow himself to understand it and is so overcome with his emotion and his feeling of inadequacy and failure and what he has failed at as a husband, as a friend, as a father, as a fill in the blank, that he does do that. Yeah. But he doesn't. Yeah. He kind of takes it in, takes the moment, feels the feelings for real, and has the moment of clarity where he goes like, you know, and it's beautifully rendered with the Coke ad and the iconic kind of moment of this.

40:36And it's like, this is who I am. I'm an ad man. So he goes, you think he goes back? Yeah. And what do you think happens for the rest of his life? Like, what is the last act of Don's life? what do you think it is? Lung cancer.

40:57Yes. I mean, for sure. I think he goes back. He is a successful advertising executive, and I think he finds happiness and peace. I think he connects with his children. Yes. As we know, Betty passes away. Yeah. You and January. You and January. You and Lizzie. you and slattery you and christina incredibly incredibly lucky one of my favorite scenes in the whole show is that the the scene between i can't remember i think it's season five season four where we see don and joan kind of going out on a night on the town it's incredible i mean don and joan never had enough scenes together as far as i was concerned that's what kind of made it great is that there was like two or three everyone in that show is just pitch perfect and and you You brought up the smoking.

41:46What did you have to smoke? They were like those fake herbal cigarettes. But I think somebody did, somebody watched the pilot just to watch how many cigarettes I smoke. And I think it was something like 80 in a one hour pilot.

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44:40So Parks and Recreation and Mad Men were on at the same time. We were fellow travelers. We were fellow travelers, and we shared, you and I shared two things. We shared a production designer in Dan Bishop, who did your show and did, we used to brag Like, oh, the bullpen of, you know, the offices of Parks and Rec were designed by the same guy that did Mad Men. People were like, cool. I can tell. That was a big brag. We were like, and he's a genius. Love Dan, yeah, he's a great guy. And the other thing is that you and I were at award shows many, many times. On the losing end. On the losing end. And so I got to get to Slattery's question.

45:20Sorry, I'm all over the place. But I got to get to Slattery's question. But before that, let's talk about Losers Lounge, which you mentioned at the very beginning. What was it? The Losers Lounge was a thing that we decided to do after being fed up with losing. Yeah. Like, let's turn this frown upside down. Yeah. Let's not live in the... We're not losers. We're winners. We're winners. Only losers lose. Only losers lose. And we are not losers. No way. So we decided that. And I still think this is a great idea. I think we should have patented it. And I think it should have been permanent. Yeah. That because also any awards night, there's way more people that lost than one.

45:59Oh, yeah. So we decided that there should be a celebratory place for the losers to hang out, the losers lounge. And if you wanted to come and you were a winner and you had a statue in your hand, you had to pay. Yeah, you had to pay up. You had to pay up. To charity. To charity. It was all a charity thing. It was a lovely charity. Worldwide Orphans, I believe it was. That's right. And the rest of us could get in and have a good time for free. and it was a fun party. So we threw a party a couple years in a row. At Soho House, I think it was. Yeah, a couple different places. We had a dance-off. We had a pants-off dance-off.

46:30And everybody wanted to get in. And the highlight for me was, I think I told you this story, the highlight for me at the Emmys was the great, my hero, idol, Frances McDormand, won for, I believe it was maybe Olive Kitteridge or one of the many incredible things. She's done. She won. And as she was walking up the aisle with her Emmy, she turned me and she goes does this mean i can't go to the losers lounge and you said yeah and i was like yeah you're gonna have to pay and i was like she did she did she came and paid um that time of like being at those places together and losing was so fun because of course who cares and also the everyone's work was so great everyone was such a fan of everybody's work We were all doing great stuff because Tina was on 30 Rock at the time.

47:21You were doing Parks. I was doing Mad Men. We had that one crazy fun night. I broke my toe. Where you broke your toe. Uh-oh. And we were like, you and me and Tina and Claire Danes, and we were all like dancing like insane people. Like it was the last night on earth. Yeah. And I was, I had just had my - Tina had to get on a plane the next day. Okay. Which describes like getting on a plane and like looking at the floor and there's like a pile of hair. She was like, what happened? I'm going to beat that. I had just had my second child. Oh my God, I know. And I flew in for the weekend because I was, well, yeah, I must, I forget.

48:01I was in New York and I flew to California for the thing. I broke my toe on the banquette dancing. I'm a mother of two. Two very young children. I can't walk in the airport. I'm like, I wake up the next morning. I'm like, I can't walk. Oh boy. I have to get on the plane. I mean, I put like a hat on and sunglasses and like tape my toe and like try to walk to the, and I'm like, I can't get a wheelchair. This is like too much. So I'm like walking and I hear Amy and I look and it's Bradley Cooper. The lovely, and he goes, Amy? And I'm like, hey. And I look at my head and he's like. No, it's not Amy.

48:41I'm like, hey, Bradley. He's like, are you okay? And I'm like, no, I'm very, very bad. I'm very, very bad. And so he has to hold me like an old, like talk about old lady, like hold my elbow while like we shuffle in. I got a little escort. That's nice. I got an A-lister escort. Wow. That was a fun night. Amy? The last thing you want, the last word you wanted to hear. Oh, but, but worth it. Worth it? Worth it. I will never forget that night. Lauren was there and moving and grooving. We had a time. Lauren loves to dance. We had a time. Okay, let's talk about you hosting SNL, though. And, I mean, are you a five-timer?

49:24Four. I just had my fourth. I did three in two years. Took a 15-year hiatus. Yeah. And came back this last year. It's been said, and I think, I've been listening to Seth's thing with Andy and the boys. Yeah, me too. Oh, you were on it too, I think, right? Yeah. That was an amazing, your time there was an amazing time. They're all great. You can't, you literally can't stack them up against another because they're all different and they're all great. But it was so fun to be there with you, with Maya, Bill, Fred, Will, Kristen. Yeah. I mean, Seth, those guys, you guys were, I felt like we were just talk about speaking the same language.

50:14It was like, I felt so comfortable there, which was, you know, part of, part of it was you're a guest in somebody's home. so you don't want to be too comfortable where you're kind of being shitty um but i really did feel welcomed there i mean because first of all i'm sure you've told this story but pitch on monday my first time hosting you guys all roll in in costume oh that's right let's tell that story so we all decide to dress up as the people from for 60s gear for pitch monday night which is 35 people in a room, maybe a little bit bigger than this. Yeah. So sitting on the floor, on the sofa, everything, everyone is in 1960s period gear.

51:03Yeah. Hater was in drag. Oh, yeah. Lutz was in drag as Joan. Lutz was Joan. John Lutz, writer. Paula Pell. Yes. Had a cigarette taped to her finger because she didn't know how to smoke. So she's like, I just tape it. And she would pitch like this. And I didn't know this wasn't normal. Right. I was like, this is okay. They're like, wow, they really pull it out on Mondays. They really do it on Mondays. I thought it was a whole thing. Okay, well, nice. This is so fun. And that was the beginning of a wonderful relationship, not only with that show, but with so many of you guys. Yeah. Sitting around that whole week, shooting with Jim Signorelli.

51:44You're 95 months pregnant. Yeah. And we've told the story a million, million times, but the fast version is... Friday. I was supposed to do the show on Saturday and then give birth on Sunday. And there was no doubt in your mind that you were not having this baby before. You were like, it'll be fine. Women listening, it's, you know, your first kid, you assume you're going to be at least a few days late. I was weirdly feeling good. I was told you're not going to be giving birth on before your due date. No way. Go finish your last show. Kill it on Saturday. Put your feet up. Yeah, my first lesson in mothering, which was like, nope, nothing goes the way you think it's going to go.

52:23And I really did think I would do the show on Saturday and then give birth on Sunday. And Friday night, we were shooting Friday night. And we were doing like a pre-tape and I got a call from my OBGYN. Office of your OBGYN. OBGYN's office, my beloved OBGYN passed away that night. And so, you know, for people who don't know, you get really connected to your doctor and you kind of think about your birth plan and you think about how it's going to go. And all of a sudden, you know, you realize, well, you realize two things. One is that a lot of people can deliver a baby. Yeah. And two. Seth had one in the lobby.

53:02That's right. Seth had his in the lobby. That's right. But he didn't have it. No, he didn't. Very true. He didn't have it. No, he didn't. He wore the same jeans that day that he wore the next day. um no but um yeah a lot of people can do this and i got the news and my ob-gyn died i started to cry i mean heavy sobbing right which is horrifying a giant pregnant woman crying it's not it's really scary and ham leaned in and said i know this is hard for you really really sad but this is a big fucking deal for me so you better you better pull your shit together and that's the face she made immediately which i was like talk about in a world of big swings that's a big one that to me is and i've written about it that's why you had the baby that's something happened because you laughed that hard i think so i think a big hard laugh oh i was i was like please let this go please let this go well and to me the crying to laughing switcheroo that's like we get about we get a few in our life where we're really really deeply sad and then someone says something to make us laugh and that those two against each other feels like i think it extends your life friday night was like because everybody's so punchy by then it was and i was i wouldn't i couldn't drag me out of that studio i was having the greatest time yeah i mean it now brings me to slattery's question which is which i thought was just such a sweet question which is And kind of back to what we were talking about, about this idea of like finding community and family and places, all different kinds of places.

54:42But he was, his question to you, his question was like, who do you look for, for answers when you're feeling frazzled or lost? Because I was saying you have a big brother, you have a big brother vibe with a lot of people. He feels like a big brother to you, but he was saying, I feel like I think a lot about like, what would John do here? Like he takes a lot of counsel from you. Who do you look, where do you go? Where do you look for? That's a really good question. Um, I, I, I don't have a, I don't think I have a, have a go-to honestly. Um, I've been on my own in one way or another for a very long time.

55:22So I am very self-dependent. I think part of my therapeutic journey has been sometimes to a fault where I won't reach out. i'll just i'm gonna i got it yeah i'm learning to get better at that for sure but people uh like lauren for sure lauren i've definitely reached out to when i've had instability in my life and you know part of the magic of that man is that it he's so inscrutable and so canadian that it's a koan in some way. You know, you get some kind of weird thing. Wait, did you say koan? Yeah, like a Zen koan. You know what that is? It's like a saying that, you know. How do you spell that?

56:10K-O-A-N. I don't know that word. Sorry. Koan. I'll be interested because I don't have a great definition. Yes, a paradoxical anecdote, question, or dialogue. Yeah. Well done. Okay, continue. So he'll say, well, you know, eventually you'll just be on the T-shirt. and you're like what? You know it's that thing where you let go and suddenly you're finding yourself on Mulholland. And then maybe Mick will come by and you'll say go great. Everybody does it. It's so great. But people like that. I find that I very much enjoy talking to my elders. Yeah. I was, not to be super name-droppy, but last night had an amazing dinner at the Bruckheimer's house.

57:00Jerry Bruckheimer, who produced Top Gun. I think he worked for Jerry. I have? Have you? Not to my knowledge. What's it? The Squeakwills? No? Oh, he was. Yeah, Jerry. I never met Jerry in the booth when I was Eleanor in the Squeakwool. Fair enough. But Jerry, thanks for the job. Didn't know that you were the person that hired me. Thank you for the job. Thank you for the job. Sorry that I dressed up as Eleanor when I came in for the audition. You've been in some monster hits. Bridesmaids. Bridesmaids, man. Bridesmaids, you're so funny in it. What a funny, what an incredible movie. Yeah. I mean, some fun movies for sure.

57:40Some big fun movies. I love it. How did you learn how to do a Boston accent? How did you? I don't know. Like anybody, it just. Not like anybody. People can't do it really well. Well, I mean, I famously did it in the town, but I was making fun of Ben. That was part of why it was easy for me. My guy wasn't supposed to be from Boston. Right. When I met all those FBI guys. Yeah. None of them, the Boston PD guys are from Boston. The BPD, the local guys. Well, even the way you're saying Boston is the correct way to say it. Well, I, trust me, we were immersed in Boston. Oh, yeah. You do a movie in Boston.

58:14Everybody's in the movie. Yes, indeed. Your cousin. Everybody. Everybody. Your friend. And talk about making a movie about Charlestown. Mm-hmm. holy moly yeah talk about the guys coming out of the world i you ben told me uh we were gonna uh you were gonna cast uh yeah tommy and uh and the other guy yeah my friend chami's here we're here where's the paycheck yeah and where's craft service yeah and you're like nobody's nobody said everybody yeah they said we're in the job don't worry yeah yeah you're like okay we had guys that would show up and then we're like oh but i can't shoot here i'm on parole like it's too close to a bank you're like okay sorry oh man there were some characters and it was a blast it was a blast and what about um 30 rock working there let's uh tina fey the show or tina fey discuss tina i credit tina along with lauren for allowing me to be in comedies nobody thought it's not like when you do mad men they're like i bet that guy's real funny he's probably got a bunch of impressions and bits and jokes true you're very serious in mad men i mean yes so when lauren asked me to host the show i was like oh my god that's the only thing i've ever wanted to do since i was since ever was beyond Saturday Night Live.

59:48So I was very excited. And then as we discussed, you guys, very welcoming. Here we are. Everyone's in costume. It's very funny. You know, read through that week is a packet of 50. I think you were right next to me. I can't remember where you sat. So, so fun. And then I remember, I think it was after read through or maybe it was on Thursday, but I was going down to the, to, to eight to do blocking something. And the phone in my, in the dressing room rings. Jesus, that's weird. It's like when a hotel phone rings, you're like, who's calling me? Who's calling in the room? This is very weird. And I picked it up.

1:00:30I was like, hello, hello. Is this John? I go, yeah. Oh yeah. Hi, it's Robert Carlock. We just want to know if you wanted to come do this thing on 30 Rock. It's kind of a love interest for, for Liz. And we're, I was like, I go, huh? Like the other thing that I wanted to be on is that. And Tina, unbeknownst to me, had called Lauren after read-through and said, is this guy funny? How is this guy? As Tina is want to do. Like, give me the straight dope. And Lauren, yeah. I mean, it's like when you're in that space. You'll like him. We were on parallel tracks. Like, we shot our pilots in the same studio at Silver Cup.

1:01:12Right. Um, so we kind of, we were, and, and they were, they were winning for comedy and we were winning for drama and it was like Mad Men 30 Rock, Mad Men 30 Rock. It was great. Well, you weren't winning, but they were winning. The show. You were in the Loser's Lounge. No, Loser's Lounge. Thank you. Tina's love language is writing incredible material that you get to do. Like that's like how she, like, it's like, it's the nicest gift is that she gives you pages. In fact, I recently got a text from Tina that was the beginning of my character arc on the show. where I played a perfectly normal human being.

1:01:46Now, cut to season whatever, where I have two hooks for hands and am falling. And the reason I have hooks for hands is because I thought I recognized my old football coach when I was getting out of a helicopter and I waved.

1:02:04Yeah. Twice.

1:02:10so yeah she was like remember when this guy was a normal person well we didn't last long um okay and then the last thing ham i want to ask you about because i love it is i loved you at the super bowl enjoying bad bunny and i love people bad bunny came at a time where for a lot of people it was like we were you know we're looking for something anything Any expression of joy would be helpful. So rough out there. Any, exactly. Any artistic expression of joy. I know you are a huge fan of his. You went to, like, what was it like watching that? And tell me why he's important to you. Here's why. My wife, Anna, who I met on the last episode of Mad Men.

1:02:54Okay. Can you tell everybody who she played in the last episode of Mad Men? She plays the receptionist of the Esalen-like place, the girl with the pigtails. Incredible. Who then gets put in the Coca-Cola commercial. Yes. So this woman clearly has an effect on Don and clearly had an effect on John. We ended up getting married at the same place, same location. No. Yes, ma 'am. They better have given you that for free. We worked out at night. Incredible. It was a beautiful, magical experience and lovely. So Anna had gone to Columbia with her sister and her best friend on a girl's trip. and they would go to the dance clubs at night after dinner or whatever and shake their butts and have a good time and they were like this there's this this guy they keep playing bad bunny no one had heard of him this is like 2018 he wasn't even played on the reggaeton stations in in in la or new york no one had heard of him and we had started to kind of see each other a little bit here and there and we go out in new york city and they play me this battle who is this our text thread is called bad bunnies that was just our first and i was like i dig this guy's energy sound whatever yeah so over the course of our relationship this is the soundtrack to our relationship oh that's so nice so it's and it's it's just organic it wasn't yeah you know so we had heard about he had hosted the show or he was a guest on the show on snl got it got to go to that we found out he was doing this residency in puerto rico i was like and to anna's great credit she's always like what if we did that and it was yeah blast yeah that was the first time i put viral uh was it was in the casita uh dancing dancing just dancing it was fun man he's fun he's fun we had a dance party at uh i love girls i love dancing me too and so there's as you said the world was was a little is is a little of a bummer a lot of a lot of a bummer yeah but boy man for 15 minutes of that halftime show yeah no what a message and what and and not for nothing you forget that he had to perform that no kidding i mean i even saw always sing along under a track or whatever.

1:05:19Like, no, no, no. He was jumping off a roof, climbing on a pole, spiking a football. You're like - Doing a trust fall. Doing a trust fall. Like a real one, not a fake one. Up in the air. 10 out of 10, no notes, perfectly executed. Then you go and you listen to the words and you're like, oh man, that's a nice sentiment as well. Maybe if we look back in five years, this is the tipping point and if it is what a kick-ass thing to do yeah remind everybody that maybe together is a little better than siloed and apart and yeah uh and that joy is kind of great and then there's a million ways to be an american and that music is like like that when music does that.

1:06:13I feel like, I mean, I know you feel this way about music too. Like there's something about music that can shortcut. Yeah. In a way. It's a universal language. They say it always because it doesn't matter what kind, it doesn't matter what it is. It can be aggressive. It can be soothing. It can be all of the things, but man, when it hits the right buttons, it feels good. Juan Jamon. Juancito, Jamoncito. Juancito, Jamoncito. Little Johnny Amy. Do you speak Spanish? I do speak Spanish pretty well. You do? I do pretty well. How did you learn it? I learned it in high school and then I worked in a million restaurants in Los Angeles.

1:06:50Yeah. And then you get really good at kitchen Spanish. Do you have an accent? Like a, is it, do you have a... Puedo hablar en español un poquito más que las otras lenguas que aprendeba muchos años pasados, pero sí. Sí. And the last question I have for you is, what are you laughing at these days? What are you watching that's making you laugh? And it can be, it doesn't have to be something new. You know what I watched recently that really made me laugh that I think you would really like? Yeah? It's a show out of Canada called Heated Revenal.

1:07:31No, it's not that. That's a bit. That's called a bit.

1:07:38But it does have to do, it is Canadian. It does have to do the hockey. It's a show called Shorzy. Oh, I love Shorzy. That is making me laugh. And you know what it's also making me do? Yeah. Cry. It's making, okay. She's a really, it's a great show. Okay. I've only watched clips of Shorzy because, you know, I've seen him on. 22 minutes, six episodes a season. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I love that. You can watch all of them in a half a day. And him, okay, let's watch it. So Jared Kiso. Okay, tell me more. Who was on a show, created a show called Letter Kenny. Yes. Which is a very, very Canadian show.

1:08:12Yes. But very specifically funny. Maybe not to everyone's taste, as things should be. Yeah, comedy is very subjective. Subjective. And the reason he did this was because he came to LA and they were like, you're too Canadian, you're too this, you're too that. And he was like, fuck it, I'm going to go back home and I'm going to make my own show. And he did. And then he spun it off into this thing, Shorzy. And it's Shorzy's about this kind of local hero legend. He plays on the local men's hockey team. And it's kind of the point of pride for the small town in northern Ontario that they live called Sudbury.

1:08:51And over the course of the series, they win the championship. Then he becomes a coach and he tries to teach the kids. And it's a tremendous show because it highlights most of the people in power that are running things are women. Many of them are First Nations, Indigenous Canadians. And it's not made a big deal of. It just is. Yeah. And his relationship to all of that while being this bruiser is very soft. Yes, yes. I mean, I've seen - real high-pitched voice and it's really kind of funny and he always interrupts people they're always interrupting they're always and they're overlapping dialogue is really funny it's tremendous it's a tremendously ambitious show that delivers so i i'm trying to pump their tires a little bit i want to find out the scenes where he's um hitting on uh oh when he hits on the girl who who he really loves it's so i'll make you feel i'll make you so happy okay that's the stuff that I see and it's so funny it's such a funny move.

1:09:57But it's also like it's also deeply sentimental and heartfelt. Agreed that was I was like oh I want to watch the show because his move his comedy move is like I'm gonna love you so hard and she's just like I'm not interested and it's so good I'm sure you're gonna want to enjoy the perks that come along with that. It's summer in Sunday. It's not fucking Playa Del Carmen. It's not fucking Belo Horizonte. I'm ready to take things to the next level but I need to be sure than your shirt. Oh! So good. So good. Such a good show. Okay, we gotta check that out. Well, Jon Hamm. Amy Polar Bear. Buddy, I don't have a lot of straight men on the show.

1:10:41So, consider yourself. I break down a lot of doors, a lot of walls. You know, that's nice. You know, and I should probably. But the guys you do are great. They're buddies too. Great. all of our buddies yeah I know all of our buddies it's nice to be first of all it's so great to see you you too I really do miss you we don't hang out enough I know I'm glad we got this one in same you are the best in the biz and right back at you consistently make me smile and happy and I look forward to your new show which I know is coming out I was talking to Shur about that oh my god we didn't even talk about your friends and neighbors season 3 coming out it's so great it's so funny congratulations thank you on another big hit show for Apple Yeah, season three starting.

1:11:25We'll start shooting that in late April. Season two will come out in early April. And it's very fun. It's so fun. It's fun stuff. Shooting in New York City. It's better than that. I know, but lots of nights. Yeah, lots of nights. I saw on that first season. I was like, oh, you have to break in at nighttime. They almost broke me on that one. I bet. I was like, we got to find a way to break into these houses during the day. Well, I'm very happy to call myself one of your chosen sisters, Ham. You are, girl. I'm happy to be one of them. So thanks for doing this. Thank you, Amy. Love you. Love you too.

1:11:58Thank you so much, Jon Hamm. It was so good to have you and see you. And I love talking to you. And, you know, Jon and I talked about a lot of things. And I mentioned a very brief anecdote about probably my favorite actress, Frances McDormand. And so for this polar plunge, I just wanted to remind you all how great she is. I just rewatched Nomadland the other night and oh god that is a good performance she's just good in everything she's so interesting and smart and just so cool and uh Francis if you're listening I love you um never change please uh I'm just a big fan of your work and um and check out Francis's work.

1:12:51You know, it's these kind of polar plunges. Thank you, Francis, for your work. And thank you, Jon Hamm, for coming today and for your work. And thank you just for, oh my God, I don't know how to end this. Okay, bye, everybody. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullin, and Alea Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

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