Julia Louis-Dreyfus

26:58But, um, but, um, and like people were really game to have fun. Yeah, completely. And I don't remember anything other than the fun times of those bits. Yeah, me too. I really, I was always so grateful that you were, because there were certain people that weren't down to do those bits and they won't be named, but we did try. We did. We tried to finagle other people and they didn't think they didn't want to do it. I know. I think some of them were nervous, like genuinely nervous. Okay, fine. You can say that.

27:33But okay. I want to start though. Uh, I want to go back a little bit because I feel like we talked a little bit about this in person, but we, we kind of had similar sketch Chicago beginnings. Yeah. Like we, we were in a group. We were the only girl in the group. Yeah. And our group kind of moved to a new city to like make a start. And in your case, Practical Theater Company moved to SNL together. You were on TV from Northwestern. Yes. So what year was that? 1982. And we were doing a show in Chicago that was a big hit in Chicago and all the people in the show got hired. There were four of us. Three of us were on SNL and the fourth person, Paul Barras, was hired as a writer.

28:25Yeah. And you all moved to New York and just started together. What was it like to have four or five of your closest friends to start that show with? Well, it was tricky. Yeah. Not because we didn't get along, but because we were a group of people who were met with a lot of animosity. Yeah. And by the people whose friends had just been fired. Right. Right. Right. And if I can imagine it, because I was myself the same way, there's like a pluckiness to a sketch group. Like a sketch group is like improv and sketch is like stand-up was cool and improv and sketch was kind of nerdy. Nerdy for sure. And, you know, so it was like, hey, guys, we're here.

29:19And I'm sure everyone was like, okay, congrats. No, but you're going to, I don't know if you know, maybe you know this, but when they, they had us at the first table, oh God, I can't even. Oh no. It was just so excruciating. There's this room on the 17th floor with fluorescent lighting and, you know, folding tables, and that's where they do the table read. And in that same room, they had us, these new people coming in, do part of our show that we were doing in Chicago for the writers and cast. Oh, wow. Yeah. In fluorescent lighting. Oh, wow. And we came out, to your point,

30:11And it didn't land. It did not land. Even saying it, my armpits are going bananas right now.

30:24It was so bad. I've been there. So anyway, that's how it began. It was a terrible, inauspicious start. And you were there for a couple of years. Three. And you were there during a period of transition. I mean, Lauren was... Not there. Lauren was not there. Dick Ebersole was there. What a strange window to be there. Oh, baby. It was bad. Yeah. It was not great. It was not great. But fabulous learning experience. It was hard and it was a little crazy making, but I came away from it sort of stronger. Yeah. And met Larry David, who you then worked with again on Seinfeld. And Seinfeld, still a similar kind of thing, like didn't, had an inauspicious start.

31:13Yeah, it was a four episode order. It was like they were just trying to sort of burn it out. When I was doing research. Oh, look at you working hard. Very hard. You are the person I've worked the hardest for. That's total bullshit, but go ahead. It is true. I've worked the hardest for Michelle Obama. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Smart. But no, but like Parks and Rec, Seinfeld was always close to being canceled. People weren't getting it. It was like, we don't know what we have here. Nobody knew what they had. Yeah, it was until the third year it started to take off. Yeah. And was Elaine written as a man at first, that character?

31:57No, but wasn't it for men? And then they changed it to Elaine? I don't know. You don't know? No, I don't. Is that a weird way to ask it? You know what I mean. I do, but it makes me laugh. I think I'm tired. Elaine was, you were playing Elaine as a man, yes? No. Correct.

32:21But wasn't the character, they brought you in because they were like Julia and because they did a pilot. Yeah. And then apparently the network told them you have to put a girl in this show. So there's a tape out there somewhere where there's another person in? No, not in. There is not a regular. Oh, there's a woman in the pilot. Correct. Wow. Yeah. It was a different time. And so they said, you know what? You need a girl. Yeah. And so I came in. I've never watched the pilot of Seinfeld, by the way. And so why would I? I'm not in it. Why would I bother? Yeah. You refuse to watch anything you're not in.

32:56That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. What was the name of the show you were in? Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. So that's what happened. So they put me in. So I was in the episode two onward. And I feel like success in the comedy world, in the sitcom world, is often like kind of measured by whether or not people will dress up as you for Halloween. Oh. Because I think Elaine is a popular Halloween costume. It is. It is. And it's an easy one to get together. Like it's just, it's a dress and a blazer and a curly haired wig. God, I could, I'd love to go back and fix that look. Yeah. You feel me? There's some early Leslie Knope styles where I'm like, didn't put enough thought into that.

33:45Yeah. But we weren't really thinking about that. No, we were acting and we were in our character. No, but I actually remember because like when Friends came out at some point when we were doing Seinfeld, not in the beginning, it was sort of, I can't remember what the years were. But, and all those girls were so sexy. Yeah. And I remember thinking like, oh, fuck, I should have been sexy. Yeah. I think that all the time. Seriously, I can't tell you how many times I'm like, oh, I forgot to be sexy. No, totally. Yeah. Shit. Oh my God. This was such a missed opportunity. And you're reminded of it when you see other people.

34:24You're like, oh, that's also something I could have tried to be. Seriously. Like a midriff. Anything. But that's why we love Elaine. We love her because of that. Because she feels like us. She feels like someone we would know and love. Like, she feels like our funniest friend. She feels like her, like, you know, I mean, I think, and she's so funny. And it's, it just couldn't, it wouldn't work if Elaine was paying attention to that. It never would work. It might have worked. That's true. She just went through like a really slutty, sexy phase. Not so slutty, just coming in like in tight jeans and like, how are they all dressed?

35:03Yeah, I know. Anyway, let's not dwell on my regrets. But also you had two boys. Did you, were you pregnant? Oh, yeah, you had both kids. Oh, right. I forgot that. Yeah, I had two babies during that time. So the sexy thing, although, you know, look, Demi Moore did it. I know. But I didn't even know about that. I didn't know about like, you know, going like that with your big tummy and looking hot. I was just, you know, I was just wearing huge like picnic tablecloths. Yeah. But that style is back now, you know. Oh, no. 90s are back, babe. Listen, if anybody in America is listening to this, please don't do the 90s again.

35:47I'm going to disagree with you. Okay, well, you're wrong and I'm right. No. And so just leave it at that. You're being triggered, but I'm telling you, 90s, like that, the floral with like a chunky shoe and a tight and a blazer, fucking jackpot. Like you and Jen Aniston, when you look at pictures like Rachel and Elaine, everybody's dressing like that now. I don't know what to say. I'm just so fucking sorry. I really, really am. But I will tell you one thing, and I've told this story before, but when I was pregnant with Charlie, with my second son, and I was really pregnant, and I was about five or six months, and I got pretty big, and Jerry comes up to me, and he says, hey, we got an idea on the right of truth.

36:43Oh, no. And he said, how about this idea? How about Elaine just gets fat? Incredible. What an idea, Jerry. So I burst into tears. Of course. Of course. I will say the following, though. In retrospect, it might have been great. It might have been funny. It's a funny idea. Yeah, it's a funny idea. Yeah, and you would have been hilarious and it would have been funny. Because, you know, with a big tummy and then you're like putting a belt on it and you're pretending you're not pregnant, you're just getting fat. But when you're not feeling in your own body, it's like, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't work.

37:19I remember on Parks and Rec, I had been pregnant on twice on that show too. And sorry, I had started when I had just given birth for my first kid. And then I got pregnant on my, uh, with Abel, my, my youngest a few years later. And I remember my character, Leslie was going to become pregnant on the show. And I said, I did some version of like bursting into tears where I said, I cannot be fake pregnant. I've just been really pregnant on both SNL and Parks and Rec. I've been genuinely pregnant. And you can't make me now wear a fake stomach. Oh, so it was, oh, it was like after you did birth, they were like, let's strap that belly right back on.

38:04And I was like, no, no, no. Oh, well, how about this? How about after I gave birth to Charlie and I'm picking up our, our, uh, my other son, Henry, from my camp and I'm picking him up and this mom comes up to me. She goes, Oh, when are you two? Yeah. No.

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40:30um, you're, you have the greatest kids. Oh, thank you. Thank you. And they're such talented boys and really nice. They're men, talented men. They're still my boys. Yeah. And, and I love your relationship with Brad, who's a wonderful person. Yeah. And you guys are like a really beautiful example of a loving, funny, supportive marriage with two very talented people. And FYI, we're separate and getting divorced. And you're going to announce it here. Yeah, I just thought, this is the time. I mean, you brought it up. I might as well. Well, you know what? Good. Easy come, easy go. And I worked with your son, Charlie, on Moxie, a film that I made.

41:08He was a total doll. You know what? I have to tell you something about that. That was the first professional job he ever had was you gave him that job in Moxie. And I am so grateful to you for that. Not because you gave him the job, of course, yes, But because I'm so grateful because you're a good person and he didn't have an experience with a jerk of which there are so many. Yeah. And it was very informative to him. So I just want you to know that for real. And this is totally me telling you thank you. And no, I'm actually I'm tearing up, but I really mean it. I love him. I love him. He's such a nice kid and talented.

41:56Okay. So we talk about Seinfeld, Adventures of Old Christine, incredible show, Carrie Leiser. Love. She's your kind of person. She is an incredible showrunner. You've worked with great showrunners. Yes, I have worked with great showrunners. Yes. Armando Iannucci, who's creator of Veep. How did that part, was that part written for you? Ish? Ish, yes, I would say. I mean, initially, no. I just heard about the concept that, you know, unhappy vice president. And then I was like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And then I met with him and then he started to write it after that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I loved the idea.

42:41Yeah. And I loved his work. I mean, Julia. Yes. That show. That show was so much fun to do. I have to say, I still miss it. Yeah. Do you miss doing parks? I miss the people. Yeah. I miss the people a lot. I mean, I have a lot of them on here because I miss them so much. Like I miss, I miss it. It felt like, and it feels that way with Veep too, like the chemistry of the people, the funniness of like the laughing all day. All day. So we do a thing on the podcast where we have people come on before our guest and talk well behind our guests back. Talk well. Yes. You've not listened to this podcast.

43:19Let me explain something to you. You, You called me to do something for Ina Garner, but you didn't say talk well. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. I did too. No, you said come up with some questions for her. That's not talking well. I think when I introduced you, I said that we're going to talk well behind Ina's back. Did I not? No, you didn't. I'm being gaslit by this enterprise. Whenever. I am never talking to you again. And by the way, Ina, who was on our podcast, you came on to do an incredible little segment in the front. And Ina and you are buddies. Yes. And when I was talking to her, she was saying you guys were ready to go on a trip together.

44:02Yeah, we did. Please tell me about it. Tell me what you ate. Just tell me what you ate. We went to, she very generously took me and Brad to a restaurant in Paris called Caviar Caspia. Yeah. And frankly, I don't even like caviar. What? Yeah. And it was delicious. Was everything, did everything have caviar in it? Kind of. Amazing. It was like caviar and potato and champagne. Delicious. And it was very just exotic. And it was in Paris. So, you know, what else do you need to know? She was so nice. She brought champagne and strawberry. She was the best. God, was I supposed to bring something? It's just weird that you didn't, I guess.

44:53Like, I mean, it is weird that you didn't. If my assistant, Will, is listening to this right now in the green room, could you just go out and get some more photos on my phone, please, while Julia is getting it present? I'm going to put more photos on my phone right now. And also, can you go and get some chocolates and quickly get some chips? Could you rip up the thank you note I was about to send to Julia? Also, could you please send flowers to myself? Because I'm clearly not going to be getting anything from Amy Poehler. Also, I distinctly said that polka dots were only for me. is that how could it have been that I came out here wearing this blouse and you did not see what she had on?

45:38Okay, anyway. So I spoke to someone who knows you really well, and that is Tony Hale. Oh, my Tony. I know. Tell me about him. Tell me how much you love Tony. I love Tony. He's the best. He is the greatest guy. What do you love about him? What's so great about Tony. He is deeply funny. Yeah. Like deeply funny. He is profoundly generous. He is incredibly neurotic. Perfect. He worries about everyone. Yeah. So if there's a group of people and somebody is off or not fitting in or having a hard time, he can only focus on that. Yeah. And which speaks to his kindness. Yeah. And I just would do anything to work with him again.

46:36I want to find a way to work with him again. You guys were so great together on that show. Everyone on Veep was great. But Selena and Gary's relationship was very special. Very special. How would you sum it up when you explain it? Have you ever seen a, like, like a trellis with a plant growing throughout it? That's their relationship. Codependency to the max. Max. Enmeshment times a thousand. Yeah. That plant is not going to live without the trellis. And FYI, the trellis doesn't give a shit about the plant. Yeah. Like the trellis actually is like, could somebody cut this plant off me? Yeah. Like this plant might take me down.

47:27But also it makes me look better so it can stay. Yeah. I mean, the way - That's a pretty good metaphor. It's really good. Yeah. Because you're, I mean, Selena was like ultimate narcissist. Yes. And - Which, by the way, couldn't be more fun to play. Oh, I bet. What was fun to play? Why was that fun? What did it allow you to play around with and do that you don't get to do in your real life, playing her? Focus only on myself. Yeah. And appalled that if anyone is not focused on me. Yeah. And take no responsibility for anything. Yes. Never apologize. Never apologize. It's always your fault, your fault, and your fault.

48:16She just never, ever looked inward. Right. Ever. Yeah. She didn't know what that meant. Yeah. Yeah. So that was fun. Well, Tony had a great, sweet, of course, loving question. He loves you and adores you. And his question was very tender, just like Tony, but he was saying like what he loved about you as a parent, he watched you be the kind of parent that you are. And it really inspired him as a parent. And also he was very moved and is very moved by your relationship with your mom. And his question was, what do you think your mom did right? What did she give you? What are you like happy that you got from your mom?

48:57It's such a sweet, tender, such a tender question. I know. I mean, there are obviously many things that I got from my mother, including this wide jaw of mine. It's gorgeous. Um, but I would say that my mother is a very intellectually curious person. And I think some of that has rubbed off on me. And, um, and also my mother, uh, has a very good sense of humor. When you were growing up, was she watching stuff that influenced you? I know a lot of my comedy came from my mom, like what my mom was watching. What did your mom watch? Well, Carol Burnett, Monty Python, SNL, like my parents had that on in the house.

49:43Did your mom watch that kind of stuff growing up? Yeah. Well, yes. And I mean, I vividly, there was a show on when I was little, like really little, like maybe two. And it was a show called Soupy Sales. Oh yeah. And also Captain Kangaroo. Yes. And we used to watch that and Howl. There was something, and I think it was on Soupy Sales or maybe it was Captain Kangaroo, where ping pong balls would fall down. And, you know, when you're two, that's like drop dead funny. Yeah. No, you know what I mean? It's kind of the jack in the box kind of a joke. Yes. And we would start, my memory is that she was laughing as hard as I was.

50:27My guess is that maybe she was laughing because I was laughing. Yeah. But I remember sort of feeling like I was partnered with her in enjoying this extraordinarily funny ping pong bit. Yeah, laughing does do that with our families. I mean, it's a, yeah, it's a binder. Binder. And also you learn a lot about somebody by what they laugh at. Totally. Like, I know, I learned, you know, I got, I don't think it was the first time we met, But when you came back to host SNL, it was a big deal for all of us who were on the cast at the time that you were there. Very excited. And we got to, like, spend some time together.

51:04And I remember being so pleased that we would laugh at the same thing. Like, it felt like, oh, I just felt excited that we were enjoying the same things in the same way. Totally. Yeah, there was real immediate simpatico. Potty Co. I remember that very well because when we were, we were in the, we were, must've been rehearsal day or something. And we were in 8-H and I was at the page station thing and you came up to me. You just went like this. You went, okay, run. And so I just ran and we just went running down the hall. It was just some dumb bit, but I thought, oh, I like this girl so much. We were just, you know, yeah.

51:49Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think when you came back to host that year, you had a really good time. I had a ball. I had a ball. Yeah. And by the way, if you can believe this, speaking of male, female things, I was the first female cast member to ever come back and host. Wow. Oopsie daisy. Yeah. And that was 2006 or something. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. And you were coming into a cast that was like, there was a lot of really strong, talented women performing together. And it was a good vibe. At least that's what I was picking up on. It was the first time I really had fun during the show. Yeah. I mean, what was so nice about hosting back then with you guys was to feel the female power that was evident and long overdue.

52:40And so that is a good feeling. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I like talking to these older women too. Anyway, I think it's pretty critical to have these conversations and to hear from these really interesting people. Well, I mean, Julia, you do that to me. You inspire me every time I see you engaging. Like I feel very inspired by you. Like I feel very like you, you turn on a switch for me often where I see you doing something and I'm like, right, right. That's the kind of engagement I'm supposed to be doing or like being reminded that I'm doing. Like you definitely do that for me. And you do that for me professionally too.

53:19I see the, the moves that you make professionally. I'm like, damn, so smart. So interesting. Like you're, you are, I'm always looking to you. Oh, wow. That's so nice of you to say that really makes me feel good. yeah I really feel that way I really appreciate that thanks Amy you're welcome what a good hang this is okay and then my last I have two questions one that's fun and one that's a little bit more serious but like um what I take away from your show and what I take away from knowing you is like the incredible uh total joy and privilege it is to just get older like there's so many people that aren't here that want to be here.

54:01Like how great to be alive, basically. So great. And as we get older, it feels like adulting, this term adulting, like it just gets hard because you know the hard parts of life are the juiciest parts. Like the challenge parts that we have to get through are the, that's the meat on the bone. It's just... Getting through can be rough. I know. and you've had a tough couple, you've had to get through illness, loss of your house, loss of people in your life. It's not easy. And we all go through this. Everybody listening knows what this feels like. They have versions of it in their life. Grief. Grief.

54:42What is the thing that on the other side of certain types of grief you've learned about yourself? What does it mean to you? Because is it just as simple as like, I'm happy I'm alive? No. Yeah, I know. Like you, you shared, you shared with the world when you were going, when you were treating your cancer, your breast cancer, and it was very helpful for a lot of people. It isn't something you needed to share. You did. Well, I had, you know, I was kind of backed into a corner on that one because we had to shut our show down. It's funny how that worked out because normally I would not have done that.

55:18Yeah. Very private. Yeah. But because we had to shut the show down, Veep, at the time for a year, I had to say, you know, 250 people weren't going to be working or whatever it is. So I had to make a public thing about it. But the good thing about doing that was that I did have this incredible experience of people reaching out to me, asking me for, you know, asking me about my experience going through the breast cancer, you know, for advice. And I was able to help. And there was something unbelievably comforting about being able to do that on the other side of this trauma. Right. There is a lot to be said in self-soothing by soothing others.

56:16Yeah. You know, for real. I mean, I don't mean to sound all Pollyanna-ish. I actually think it's true. Yeah, I agree. That like to be of service to others is the way to get yourself up out of the basement. The doldrums. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah. And it's like we're in such short supply of it right now. And the other way that I think that, and I think you're the same, that takes me up from the basement, the elevator, is laughing. Well, a hundred percent. Without it, you're dead. It's so true. Like, you have to laugh. You have to laugh. When it's the worst, you have to laugh. And those are my favorite laughs.

56:57When it's very, when everyone is, you know, it's like church giggles, basically. Or like funeral laughs where like you have someone who loves you enough to know they're going to take a swing here to get you up out. And you have so many funny friends. Yeah. You must have had so many moments where things were dark for you and someone kind of scoops you up with a laugh. Oh, totally. Well, when I was actually, when I was going through chemo and I had a lot of girlfriends come and shove into this tiny little room, you know, I mean, like the size of this table and everybody was there and I was high as a kite.

57:41And, and, and I was doing this thing called a cold cap. Oh yeah. So it's a thing that they do, that you can do if you're getting chemo, if you choose. And it's this ice cold thing you put on your head and it's supposed to help you not lose your hair. So I did that. So I had this huge, like, weirdly shaped turban on my head. And, you know, I'm kind of like that. And everybody's around me making fun. And it was a dream. Dream. That's a dream. That is a dream. And at one point I remember I sent a bunch of my girlfriends out because I lost so much weight, none of my clothes fit. And so I was like, I need, you know, hi, I need new jeans.

58:23And so I sent everybody out. I don't know where they went. And then it's on FaceTime and I'm telling them which ones to get. It was fun. It was hilarious. Oh, that's so fun. Yeah, it really was. And what are you, and I asked all my guests this, what are you watching, listening, reading? What are you laughing at right now? Well, there is nothing I love more than those videos of either dogs, like that one dog who keeps attacking an apple slice. Don't know it. Hold on. Attacking an apple slice? Yeah. He's just going bananas on top of a bed. How do we find that? You know how we find it? We type in dog attacking apple slice.

59:08I think his name is... Our phones are off. Remember, we're going to have to turn them back on. No, mine isn't off. You never turned your phone off? Puppy shares apple slice? No, that seems too nice. Oh, here we go. Spud on Instagram. Okay.

59:27This dog is just attacking this piece of celery. This one is celery. This dog is a maniac. the dog is growling it is the size of a rat it looks and it is furious at this piece of food and is baring its teeth i mean it's scary it's scary and but it's it's not gonna hurt anybody oh this is oh this is a strawberry it's war anyway that makes me very happy But do you, do you watch a lot of videos, YouTube videos? And like, and I think what I, I'm, I love Survivor. But let me just ask you something about Survivor. I also like Amazing Race. Okay. Survivor and Amazing Race, those kinds of shows. Do you just think you could do well on them?

1:00:23No. No. Really? Is there a part, when you watch it, is there a part of you that you think Like I, this is what I would do, but you don't. Yes. Okay. What I would do is pretend to break my leg and get air vac out. Have you watched Alone? Yes. Incredible. Incredible. Okay. Let's talk about Alone. So for people that don't know, I think it's on the National Geographic channel, maybe History Channel, and now it's on Netflix. I mean. There's a 45 ,000 seasons of it. 45 ,000. And I think we watched every episode during COVID. Yeah. fantastic COVID show. And for those who don't know, the premise is 10 or 11 people are dropped somewhere.

1:01:05It always feels like Canada, but somewhere. Wicked, wicked. And they have to survive the elements and survive being alone. And the psychology of how people figure out how to not only find food and shelter and outlast their competitors, but the psychology of what happens when people are alone is fascinating. I for sure would go crazy. But don't you think you would do on alone? Are you out of your mind? But better than, really, you don't think you would do better than some of the other? Yeah, no, I wouldn't be able to get any food. I wouldn't be able to kill any of the animals. So that would be one problem.

1:01:42And then the other problem would be, I don't think you'd be able to sleep because, you know, they got bears up there, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know what headspace you're in right now, but there's no way you're making it on alone. No way. I'm not saying I'm making it. I'm just saying. I'm not saying. I'm saying you're not making it one night. Not even one night? You're going to be too cold. You have to make a shelter. My pride would do one night. I would. Okay, one night. Not really. But I love alone. I love it. Why do you love it? Because I think it's an extraordinary challenge.

1:02:21Yes. I think it's a legit, you know, and it's, and as a, you know, survivor, it's got all of these things and these games and so on, which is gobs of fun, but it's all fabricated. In this case, you've really got to stay alive and you don't know when other people have peeled off. They don't, they don't die, but they, they, they tap out. Yes. How much did they win? A million dollars. A million dollars. And what I love about the psychology of that show is the way, cause I relate, is the way people start to give up before giving up. Oh, wait, talk about that. I forgot. Because they start to, and I just, I, I love it because I recognize it.

1:03:00Right. Which is when you start to talk yourself out of something, but you're not talking yourself out of it yet, but you're just playing around with the idea. Cause it's such a mental game. You have to just take the highs and lows and like, right. But when people are like, yeah, it's just, you know, my family, I'm sure my family's missing me a lot. It's always men, you know, being like, my wife is probably struggling and you're like, oh, here he goes. Like just a little day or two before just thinking about. That's right. I mean, I do want the money, but will my kid ever be, ever have their third birthday again?

1:03:35You know, and you're like, here he goes. Getting ready. A couple of days from now he's going to tap out. Like that kind of bubbly stuff I love. Human behavior. I just like, it's so good. I want to watch Alone with you and I want to watch, um, Jerry, the new Jerry Doody with you. And, oh, wait a minute. That would be fun. That would be fun. I would like to watch TV with you. Okay.

1:04:04Amy. Is that weird? I want to come over and I feel like get into some kind of comfy situation with you and Brad, get under some kind of, not that way, just my friends. No, I understand. You get blankets. And get blankets. I feel like there'd be a good snack, like a chip, like a delicious salty chip. Yeah, but we need some yummy, we need some desserts happening. Are you sweet over savory? I like it all. Yeah. But I love sweets. Okay, I'm more savory. So we can have sweet and some kind of chip. Okay. And we watch one of these shows and we, I'm picturing it now. Have you ever had dill pickle chips?

1:04:44Yeah. Doesn't do it for you? Doesn't do it for me, but I love the idea of them. Oh God, it's making my mouth water just talking about it. Let's get some of those. We'll get some of those, but you don't like them, so we'll find something else. Do you like salt and vinegar? I enjoy salt and vinegar. Me too. Yeah, love that. Love it. And also, I'm a basic Doritos bitch. Really? I know. not a sponsor is now not after what you the face you just made

1:05:17that's that's the slogan i'm a doritos basic doritos bitch really that's it that's the commercial

1:05:28i love you julia thank you for doing this thank you for having me this has been so I love having you. It's so fun to hang out. I knew it would be fun. I didn't know it would be this much fun. And I can't wait till I reach 70 so I can come on your show. Yeah. Thank you so much, Julia. That was so fun. It's always so fun to get to be around you and laugh with you and do bits. And for this Polar Plunge, I just want to mention one of the guests on Julia's podcast, Wiser Than Me, who I just love. And that is the author Anne Lamott. Anne, if you're listening, I love you. And if you don't know Anne Lamott's work, she is a very prolific and successful author who's written books like Operating Instructions and Bird by Bird and Tender Mercies, many works of fiction.

1:06:16her latest book, Somehow Thoughts on Love, is out. And she's just a really candid, funny, deeply funny, tender, big thinker. And I don't know. I just love her and hope I get to have her on this pod someday. Check out her podcast with Julia. Check out Julia's podcast. Listen to podcasts. Podcasts are great. We love podcasts. Okay. Thanks. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Alaya Zanaris.

1:07:01For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.