Sarah Sherman

36:25No, I there's not a threat of losing my family. Yeah. And like maybe this is TMI, but I did a bit. I've done a lot of like updates where I'm in a big animal costume. And that is Lauren's idea. Yeah, because I think I'm like, he's like, what am I going to do with her? She's crazy. She's like a wild animal. Oh, I'll just make her be a wild animal. I don't think people know that he pitches bit like he was like, you're going to play a squirrel. I'm like, OK, whatever you want you're my boss okay boss he said like after i did i think a squirrel or some fucking animal he said when you did that i could tell you were loved as a child and i was like

37:08clocked clocked he has very oh yeah oh yeah i i remember being like oh yeah yeah he he he as the kids would say he can read you really fast. For filth. For filth. For filth.

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40:38okay so you have this this way of performing and then you auditioned for snl first when you're really young don't get in what was that like well like was it a real audition we did like did you go into the studio okay it was um sharna halpern from i.o shout out girl shout out charna let's talk about charna for one second charna halpern ran improv olympic a theater in chicago now called i.o because the Olympics sued and made them change their name. The Olympics. The Olympics. That's right. And Sharna was the director who, in my case, just like put me on an improv team, said, hey, there's a woman named Tina.

41:19You're going to really like her. You guys, Sharna arranged that marriage. And Sharna was in charge of so many of us and like launched so many careers. Oh my God, I didn't know that. So Halpern, Sharna got you in front of the, Sharna, she's always had an eye. She knows. That's great because I just wanted to do comedy. I couldn't get into the fucking college thing. And so I was like, oh, I'll go do it in Chicago, stuff in Chicago. And I was like kind of a bad fit. And I'm like not, again, I feel self-conscious about my limited range. It's like you kind of need a little bit of range for improv. And I was kind of not a good fit there.

41:55And I would also wear like, they would be like, I'd have to get talkings too. It's like, hey, you're wearing a big shirt with the brain on it. it's a little distracting i'm like fair um i was like i'm kind of a bad fit there yeah but she was like you're gonna do the snl audition and at that time i was like i was 22 and i was like uh that's a bad idea because i was doing these shows with the chorizo penis whatever right i was like i just didn't and she was she was like you're gonna do that she's like you're gonna be great like if you need help with it and i was like well everyone tells you i didn't know anything and they're you know everyone's like oh your your five minutes has to be like characters and impressions or whatever so i did that it was obviously terrible like it was just like i was trying to do what i thought the assignment was sure and i bombed really badly um i wore like my i remember what i wore i wore i know this is we're actually finding out i'm a clothes addict i had all my memories are marked by like my outfit well i would say that you're you like work from the outside in yeah i do And actually this is a problem at SNL.

43:02All right, well now it's time, now for season six, Inside Out. I've been trying, it's really hard. I would love to see you just in a, I would love to see you in a neutral dress, a slip dress, hair natural, no makeup. Yes, leaves blowing. Hello, children. Your homework's late. Big recurring character. Your homework's late. Can somebody write that down? It's amazing. but this is Lauren's big thing with me he's like just let's just yeah get it and I'm like okay it's okay it's okay don't don't beat yourself up I mean it's a lot to ask it's a lot it's hard it's hard it's hard to show any especially when you're it's like playing with it's like practicing with your backhand like you're really your forehand is really strong and you're like I can score and someone's like now hit it with your backhand you're like now I know season six three you don't think i was trying yes okay i try like you know ashley padilla started two years ago and i'm like oh my god like character and like everyone every character she has is like an internal world and like the jokes come kind of easy to her because she has like inside she like knows what the character wants and there's like there's a motivation there and i feel like i've been doing it all wrong for like six fucking years because i'm like oh what if the wig is weird and then you have to come like writing the joke because it's so much harder because you're like forcing it from the other way around it's it's outside in so it's a little harder i'm gonna say something right now i think you're not afraid of the failure i think you're afraid of the success because i actually think you can do it i actually think you are a good actor and you can't do it you're afraid of being successful at it so like i don't want to cast me i'm not afraid of being an actor i am free people say that thing where they're like oh my god you're stand-up that's so brave i'm like it's it's cowardice it is true yes it is true cowardice like i you know so many things even in my special are like people are like oh my god you're like loose and riffing that's all written down you think i would riff during my hmail comedy no i have a pre-planned bit, I'm like, I'm going to find someone in the crowd wearing glasses.

45:22And I go, why'd you wear glasses to the show so you could wear your pubescent set of eyes? It's okay. We'll edit it. Here we go. Don't edit it. Show my failure. I'm actually a vulnerable Santa.

45:39Oh my god, you should make your own vulnerable blooper reel. I'm showing my pit sweat. Hey guys. Why did you wear your glasses to the show so you could see my pre-pubescent body better? You pervert. Everyone goes, oh, you think I thought of that on the spot? No. I wrote it down eight years ago, and I've been saying it every day since. Sucks. I feel like once you get the confidence of knowing that you're not getting fired from the show, basically, like, which is true. Like, you're at that point. Congrats, babe. You're at that point. I was crazy this season a little bit. Well, you might get fired from something you say for sure, but not for lack of like, we don't need you.

46:22Right. But yes, you might get fired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be saying. Yeah, HR did want me to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sorry for what I did and who I touched. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have to say, like, what I find so impressive about you is you have managed to maintain yourself, your POV, and your sense of what you think is funny. Yeah. And you worked within the system. Yeah. i.e. like you coming at Colin and update is a perfect example where you're like okay I'm gonna use this structure I'm gonna hit Colin who's like the ultimate like alpha straight white punching bag successful punching bag and he can handle it yes and why it's so satisfying to watch because to me it also and you do this a lot in your comedy especially in your in your in your special where you like play around with what I like to call like the millennial threat like This idea that like someone's going to get something wrong.

47:18Yes. But people are very scared to screw up. Yes. And I have. Of course, we all have. Yes. But you are like pressuring the powers that be that they might fuck up. It's very exhilarating to watch because obviously it's also talking about like cancer girls are like misogyny and like patriarchy and all that stuff. But it's not. It's just funny. Right. And it's like as mean as I'd be to Colin calling him a pedophile, whatever, whatever. I'm really mean to myself. Yeah. So, you know, but even that, it's like I got lucky on the show because he, I had joined the show as a complete, I was shocked that I was there.

47:57All my friends, like the inside joke was like, okay, Sarah's going to show up as a waiter and say, you know, want some water, ma 'am? And I got fired. You know, that was a big joke with all my friends who are apparently like love me and are nice to me or whatever. but so it was like so I was just happy to be there and I wasn't expecting anything to happen like I was writing sketches but I didn't really know I didn't even have final draft until midnight on writing night like I didn't know about any of this and then um so I wasn't getting any sketches on the show but I didn't really care but then Colin was like why don't you come on update and do like your yourself and I didn't even know that you could do that there is some version of getting known on the show and it doesn't stamp you forever, but like where people see you as a person with a face.

48:41But I wouldn't have done that if he didn't say so because it felt like presumptuous or something. Right. Like I really was there to be like a good sport and just do whatever the job was. Okay. But I just want to gently say to you that you should just take credit for that success because even though it wasn't your original idea, perhaps we all know that we're collaborating, we're all collaborating, working together, but you have to deliver. One other thing I want to ask you about, and then we'll jump off SNL, but Louie. Let's talk about Louie Zakarian. What is there to say? Louie runs the makeup department, and he is incredible.

49:19It's crazy. Like, let's talk about him for a second and what he's made for you. What hasn't he? He does. Prosthetics and makeup takes time. Yeah. And, like, I think I've seen people describe the SNL makeup experience as a pit crew. there's like eight people putting on a bald cap at once. I've moderated Comic-Con panels for him where it's like it'll be a guy in a Grogu suit or whatever being like, sir, what's your fastest bald cap application? And he goes, two minutes. And you hear the crowd go. Yeah. You see like every X-Men character in like a blue man group. Like they should make a TV show like The Pit.

49:57Yes. And they should make it in the makeup room of Louis' room because the way that they like in the pit, the way they like save people by like stabbing them in the heart and like yeah like that's how louie has to do makeup yeah he's ripping a bird beak off and putting googly eyes on my eyes he's get out there but by the way he he's having so much fun like yeah he never says no he's having so much fun he films the whole thing and it's like we could have like 45 seconds to get me looking from jessica rabbit into like miss grinch or whatever and he still is like one selfie and it's like hilarious he like gets off on the thrill of it he he like my favorite we did a thing where it was like it was supposed to look like me and michael b jordan got stuck on a roller coaster and it like it blew our like hair and mouth open and i was like i was like can you make it look like i have a speculum in my mouth like blowing my mouth out but you don't see any plat like it just has to look like it's naturally like that and he doesn't say no right well that's what an Emergency room doctor is like, we'll see what we can do.

51:02Yeah. When we're going to let the baby die, I don't think so. And it's the same stakes for a comedy show. It's the same stakes. It's the same stakes. And that's, if there's any takeaway, it's that what you do is as important as people that work in the ER. No one banged their pots and pans for me. Exactly. This is another meet your question. If you had unlimited funds and you could make any disgusting creation, what would it be? I don't know if I want to ask you this question. yeah maybe let's say on SNL so we have to say that it passes like you have it like because because there have been that isn't this is another reason why I working outside in I love that taking that I'm gonna write my book about that okay um so you have fun with your book I'm taking outside in it's like it's such it can be such a hindrance because like me and Dan Bulla had like this idea for like maybe a sketch that's like at um like a facial spa or something and when they take our sheet masks off it just pulls the whole front of our face off and for years i me and louie have been like how are we gonna do that because like when i first started the show i was in like one sketch every six and a half months so like was it but now it's like maybe maybe i'll be playing Trump right beforehand.

52:20Who knows, James? I'm coming for your breakfast nachos. So it's like, if I had unlimited funds, it would be like I would be able to do something like that really fast. I just want to take my whole face off. Why do you want to? I don't know. It's really weird. And it's not normal. It is. Like, when you say that, my brain pictures it and I'm like, oh. Sarah, you just made your life so much harder but i know i'm but if that is just it also is like there is a there is such a incredible performance art artist like like you have a cindy sherman vibe you have a like you have a growth you have a like a a dance with the grotesque that's super interesting and it's always like what level is like gross like what does what grosses you does anything gross you out the other day literally i like you know how people like chew on their like sleeves or like oh yeah like wet wet fabric on my teeth like i got grazed on on the train on the tooth with my own sleeve and it like give you a chill that's like my nails on a chalkboard is like stuff like that okay but any kind of like your face peeling off you're down all good all good all good and and then my last question in that SNL space is because we all have them.

53:46What does your SNL stress dreams look like? Oh I actually wrote a sketch about this. Okay incredible. It is oh my god I wish I could remember the sketch because it was like you know when you stay up all night you're like I'm getting a Nobel Peace Prize. Classic sketch. Classic sketch. They always win the Nobel Peace Prize. I'm like if I read it two years ago I'm sure if I read it today I'd be like what? You know what I mean? my stress dream is always writing night okay and it's always i get to i'm at writing night and i'm the clock says it's like midnight or one in the morning and i don't have anything yet and i'm going from room to room with like my tin can being like what are you with me and everyone's like no i'm already busy i already have my thing for the week and i'm going door to door down the hallway and the hallway gets longer very okay christopher nolan don't steal this odyssey 2 um the human centipede don't tempt me with a good time amy polar and the hallway just gets longer and longer and i'm like does anyone want to write with me and that's like that's what i'm the most anxious about all the time it's like bombing on live tv is one thing bombing trying to get someone to write a sketch with you is a fate worse than death i have one more stress stream that was my first year okay which was there's a prop toilet on the floor of 8h this i have this stream two times there's a prop toilet on the floor of 8h i know it's not hooked up to any pipes i know it's a prop and i shit in it anyway and everybody's looking at me like the last shot and murder on the orient express there's like a shot where they're like all looking down at this dead body and you see the pov of the dead body looking back at everyone and i see everyone looking at me going, the toilet's not hooked on something.

55:35Why'd you do that? And I'm going, I know. I have no idea what happened. And my Jungian dream analyst at the time said that when you poop in a dream, grouse, it's like you're putting work out there and you're embarrassed. I work hard. Whoa. And also, do you have a Jungian dream analyst? Do you do a lot of therapy? I do. Many times a week. oh fun doesn't seem to be working online or in purse i'm on the you're on the couch i'm lying down on the couch and the whole time yep whoa i'm doing like analysis i'm calling i'm doing and now that's old school yeah and um just i just noticed recently because i don't look at my therapist and sometimes i'll be like yeah male or female therapist of course it's a man it's not fixed it's a man it's not working a woman would fix it like this and i said something and i heard his laugh behind me and i went like he wasn't he forgot he was there yeah and i was like stop i don't know why that was so i Immediately I was like, I never looked at him.

57:00And I was like, get it together. You're making me think about like my stress dreams for SNL were less about like, will you guys, you know, like where, where can I get in here and write with people or like, oh no, my, my, my, the shit in my toilet you guys don't like, which is your work, your work. But mine was disappointing. disappointing, mine was about disappointing, like powerful figures. It's a very Gen X-y stress dream. So mine was always, mine was always about, uh, I would often have it, which is I'd hear Jenna Rossitano, as we talked about the great AD calling me and I would realize, oh my God, I'm not on stage.

57:43Like I, I I'm missing my, my, um, cue. Yeah. And I had it more than once where I'd be running down from nine to eight. And I'd pass everybody whose opinion I cared about. And they look at you. And they would go like this. And it was everyone you could imagine. It was people from my past. It was people working on the show. It was always, of course, Lauren. And everyone was just like, wow. Like, you really let us down. Oh, my God.

58:16It's like, Amy Poehler, you are late for hot. hot dog bar mitzvah. Where is your prosthetic butt? Your funny wig. It's so crazy. What gives us literal anxiety trauma is like you running to go do like Mr. Butt and the hot dog hospital. And Lauren going, you're a disappointment to your father. Like, wait, I have to go be Captain Crutch the musical.

58:50it's so stupid so stupid okay and the last question that that mitra wanted me to ask you she had so many good ones was like the and you're talking you've talked about it a little bit but like the biggest bomb and the best and the favorite show you've ever done because we talk about you must have bombed big time and i'm kind of fascinated about your time opening with adam Sandler who talk about what a terrific, lovely person and like nicest person probably to be around and open for, but the audience might not have been that ready for you. He is so good way to say it. Thank you. And thank you. I'll take it away from here.

59:35Okay. Exactly. It is. Okay. Butt sucking initiation, a computer enhanced butt sucking right now. you and Adam and there have been other cats like Fred you guys are so menschy that it's like I'm thinking of people who have like how could anyone do SNL without the mensches like I have Adam being like you're doing great kid like I would have blown my brains out from here to the western seaboard if I didn't have him being like you got it dude yeah he's so every time you see him how's your mother how's your father the house hanukkah what's going on i love you how are you so menchie and like opening for him i have bombed a lot yeah because people have paid good money to be there they have hired babysitters they drove all the way from hack and sack they are six drinks in they are there to see adam sandler not long island presents sarah sherman someone they don't know who's sweating up there they have paid good money to see the wedding singer well honestly when i was watching your special I was fascinated by the audience because I was like this audience.

1:00:44So your special, um, Sarah squirm live in the flesh, live and in the flesh, live plus in the flesh. Thank you. That was a big, that was a big thing. Live plus in the flesh. Um, and I, and first of all, why is it Sarah squirm? That was how I like when I was doing these basement shows with the tree zone stuff, it was just like the poster was like, you know, I wrote written in guts. It was like a kid. Also, I was like performing with bands like piss, piss, piss, moan, moan, moan. Rest in peace, Alejandro. He has passed. That's a crazy thing to say. But like I was like, so I was like, I don't want to just be like and Sarah.

1:01:21And then there's Sarah. So like I was kind of like. Yeah, it was like your punk persona. It was like X-Ray Specs or like Alice Cooper or something. It's very music. It's very music. But that's like the show. That's like it was the shows that I was doing because I was like I just, you know, it was it was the vibe yeah and um did you get pressure to like did people say it should be sarah sherman so then when i got so so like i auditioned for when i auditioned for snl doing you know they or no i was doing i was just performing sarah squirm at the time and i wasn't really like thinking about it and then when i got so that that's on all my snl paperwork is just they found me at a show as sarah squirm so that's still on my paperwork you've never been paid I've never been paid.

1:02:06I don't work there. Yeah. My alter ego works there. Point to another ghost over here. My alter ego works there. And Lauren, when I got the job, Lauren called me and was like, you know, they were like, oh, Sarah, like Lauren's calling you. And I was like, hello. And he's like, we think squirm is a little distracting. And I go, say no more. You can have whatever you want. And you know who liked that? Your parents. Yeah. My mom is still to this day. It's like people will be like, hi, Mrs. Scorm. And she's like, no, don't call me that. They want to hear Sherman. They want to hear Sherman. And so when I was doing the special, like not, you know, people don't know me from stand up really.

1:02:46Because I know the ticket sales show. Pittsburgh.

1:02:53They like, you know, everyone's like, it should be like Sarah Sherman live and in the flesh. But I'm like, but that's not the character. Yeah, I get it. And it really helps set like the table. Like you said, like you set the table really fast. In fact, the table is set. It's set. It's got the floor just coming up. The special starts with something I've never seen in a comedy special, which is like, it's like, there's like a warning of graphic violence. There is. It's like, there's a warning of graphic, like there's so many warnings. There is. And you also start with John Waters. I know. Which is the ultimate trigger warning.

1:03:28Yes, you're so right. If he's going to kind of put a stamp on something, you know that like there's going to be so much poop talked about for sure. And also just like he's like this. I mean, he's. What does he mean to you, John Waters? Everything. How did you get him? I wrote him a letter. You wrote him a letter. I wrote him a letter that was like I drew like everything. thing what's so helpful with visual art or like all this it's like you can provide your own trigger warning always so I wrote a like for the posters for hell trap it's like there's a butthole that's bleeding with an eyeball like you know what you're getting into oh my god uh Sarah enough enough okay so I wrote him a letter and there was like intestines all over it and I was like do you want to like you know there's this do you want to play the stage manager in my stand-up special and I was like your scene partner will be this and then I drew a little picture of me as like the bones and guts on the floor and I'm like this is who you're gonna be talking to and then I put my number at the bottom of the letter and I was like if you're interested call me or whatever and then I was getting into therapy on a particularly devastating read of a day I had just bought a loaf of sourdough bread and I was literally walking down my block ripping off pieces of bread and eating it like an animal or a raccoon.

1:04:50Good job, Lauren. You knew. And I got a call from an unknown number, Baltimore area code. Hey, Sarah, it's John Waters. I'll see you on set. What? Yeah. And I said to my producers, because I had written this stage manager character. What a cool way to say it. I'll see you on set. No, I was like... That's an old school, fun way to say it. I'll see you on set. I'll see you on set. And I was like, do you want me to... Is there anything you want to say? And he's like, I'm not writing it you wrote it i'm saying what you wrote and i go that's professional yeah yeah he doesn't have punch-up he's like i'll be i bet he had about like a two-hour door-to-door right like he was like you gotta hard out i'm gonna be out here in an hour and a half he was being hilarious and he was pitching jokes because he couldn't he couldn't have and guess what they made it in yes okay you want some visine because my eyeballs out that was a john waters original riff yeah it's like i'm the luckiest girl in the world that's the crazy thing i keep going back to snl but you're bringing it out of me girl i if i didn't have snl i would be a random crazy person but i want to say something i don't find you crazy i don't think you're crazy that's why you're interesting because if you were truly detached in like in a way not to name names but like others sometimes like performers who are kind of in your milieu or vibe are then it's hard it's then it's kind of hard to attach sure it is hard like it's like okay they're in their own like creative world but like yeah i don't know we're just gonna kind of watch it from afar but you you aren't so it's interesting it's very interesting because you have command of what you're doing in a way that's right there is but i'm like without snl would i have been able to do this crazy comedy special where there's like a clay butt that she parts out of ghost would john waters have agreed like i don't know probably not thank god and for people that have listened all the way to the end i mean there is a clay but that happens right in the beginning if you don't like it turn it off yeah turn it off um speaking of comedy as we end what do you who are you listening to laughing because you know you do comedy all day for a job who what do you watch yes to laugh like what is your checkout like is Is it a video?

1:07:08Is it a, are you watching old movies? Are you like, what's making you laugh? Most recent, always Real Housewives. I'm laughing. The last question Mietra had for you is, are you enjoying Real Housewives, Rhode Island? Listeners, Sarah is just like, she's just, she's aghast at the obvious yes. Did you grow up watching soaps? Yeah, I watched General Hospital, which was. My favorite show of all time. Weren't you on a soap? I begged to be on General Hospital so I could bring my mom. And we met Sunny Corinthos and sobbed for days. Yeah. Okay, I just talked to Paula Pell, who also loves soaps and has not been on one.

1:07:48And I feel like Paula should definitely be on one. I think they were like, are you kidding? And I was like, no. Who did you play on the soap? A woman.

1:08:01A Russian. Yeah, the Russians are, you know. Yeah. I love talking about what makes me laugh. I was watching home movies the other day. Hysterical laughing. Like, ha, ha, ha, ha, of your family. No, I wish. Actually, that would be nicer. The cartoon. Oh, home movies. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, I don't know home movies. It's fucking funny. And it's very crude animation. My kids love it. And it's Brennan's mom. Yeah. It's so funny. Okay, who are you? Dying laughing. Oh, we've got some friends in there. We got some friends in there. H. John Benjamin. Okay, got it. Laughing. And it's animated to come, created by Brendan Small and Laura Bouchard, who made Bob's Burgers.

1:08:45Got it, got it, got it. Home movies. Laughing. So are you a big animation girl? No. You're not. No. Because I bet people are like, you're like animation. Like, you look like a cartoon, you fucking bug-eyed bitch. Jesus. Jesus. Sarah. Apologize. Sarah, you said that to yourself. I know. I apologize to my friend Sarah. Bad. I patted myself on the back. But you're not a cartoon person. No, because they can't emote or anything. Like, I love Red and Stimpy. I'm not, like, laughing out loud. Yes. So I don't know why this was getting me. Yeah, that's good. Getting my ass. And then. That's really funny.

1:09:26I just did. Do you know Hollywood Handbook, the podcast? I love Hollywood Handbook. I was sobbing. Okay, I shout out to Hollywood Handbook. Those guys are hysterical. I saw them recently in a restaurant and asked if I could be on their pod. And I watched you and they were like, no, they were like, we're booked. And also I watched you on Hollywood Handbook and that bit went on forever. It was 45 minutes. Yeah. It's just one long bit. Just one long fat joke. And it, it was so, I love a bit that goes on that long. I love it. And they were like acting like they hated it. I love it. They say, like, Sean will say one word.

1:10:05I can't, like, I was laughing like a baby last. Like, I was going like. Laughing so hard, sweating through my pants. Sweating through my hat and my pants. I know. I think there's some delight. And it's kind of, I'm going to bring us back. There is some kind of delight that you have that I share, which is if you get to be around like like-minded and safe people and you guys are like playing like and going like just on the corner and edges of things but it's with people that are like not just like nice people that you like basically there's no greater joy because it feels like you're actually like I guess I imagine it would be like entering dangerous terrain with people who are really skilled that will take care of you that's the closest I mean we're not athletes.

1:10:57My body is relaxed. But I love that too. I love a family that teases each other. That to me is a sign of intimacy. And it's a sign of safety. It obviously has to be the right people in the right way. But when that happens, it feels like a special kind of magic. And like, yeah, we're making fat jokes. Is that amazing? No, but it's safe. You can be a little scary when it's safe. Yes. You're so right. Well, congratulations on being a vet. Was that an abrupt goodbye? What should we do? I'm going to put my shoe back on. Oh, I forgot. Can you believe that I've had my shoes off the entire time? How did it feel?

1:11:43Did you feel grounded? It didn't feel bad. I don't mind it. It didn't feel bad. It didn't feel bad. I didn't. Yeah, I know what you mean. Like, was I grounding during that time? Like, did you, or were the whole time you were talking to me, were you like. Are you a shoes off person in your house? People have to take their shoes off. I like my shoes on and I like Frankenstein boots all day. Yeah. I'm not even wearing them right now. So you think I'm a fucking liar. I'm wearing little shoes. You got little cuties though. But let's not show them for free. Yeah. Let's not show them for free. No, ma 'am.

1:12:09No, you got to pay for that. Yeah. That's correct. A lot because we're on TV. Yeah. And AI is going to take everybody's job. So we're going to, the only thing robots don't have, human feet. And when they show them, they have an extra toe. And that's kind of interesting. And if you were listening at the very beginning, Sarah has a weird condition where her big toe is just a sack of bones. Right. So if that's your kink, then you've got to go to her toe channel. And if you were only listening to the end of this podcast, weird. Why didn't you listen to the beginning? Did you just like scrub through?

1:12:41And if that's your kink, then we're not kink shaming you. But you might want to think about listening a podcast the entire way through because it also might be satisfying. Right. Or I like to kink shame. I think it's weird when people like stuff that's weird.

1:12:55sorry thank you for doing this thank you for coming thank you so much sarah squirm sarah sherman um it was so fun to um talk to you and you're so fast and funny and um yeah what a delight and um you know sarah and i talked about a lot of people that we've had the pleasure to work with but i just want to give a little shout out again to a woman in my life who really shaped my career. And I know a lot of people in Chicago could say the same. And that is Sharna Halpern. Sharna was the creator and the person who started a theater called IO in Chicago with Del Close. And Sharna was just one of those people that if she saw something in you, she put you in front of important people and she put you on stage.

1:13:51And in my case, she changed my life. So thank you, Sharna, for helping me meet most of the people who I still work with today. And for those of you that are in Chicago, go see improv and go see it in any city. Support it today and every day and support the arts. OK, thanks. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Alea Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman.

1:14:32Original music by Amy Miles.

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