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28:38Yeah. And the thing I love most about my job is that you can book a film and learn all of these amazing skills from the best people in the business. And to be able to do that again and pick up dancing from square one and try to get back into it, I think is going to be so fulfilling. It's so cool. I mean, like you were on the West End at how old? How old were you when you were in Billy Elliot? I started when I was 11. Wow. And I finished when I was 13. It was a riot. I mean, I've said this to many people who do theater and are, you know, in a long run, like to have the hardest part of your day be at the end of your day is really hard.

29:18You know, you're just always prepping for the end of your day. Yeah, totally. Was, do you feel like in many ways that was the hardest you ever worked was doing that show? Or because you were young, like what, when you go back to that time, what do you feel like your energy? Did you just have unlimited energy at 11, 12 and 13? Yeah, I think so, really. You know, it was tough. But yeah, no, I think there was also, there was four of us. There were four Billys at any one time. Yeah. And you would share the role. So you would do Monday night. Someone would do Tuesday night. Right. You would do standbys.

29:50So you would be backstage in case a Billy got injured and you would have to rush on. I remember one night I had the night off. I was playing golf with my dad and we got a phone call saying, oh, Ollie's come off the show. Brad's going on. Can you come in to be on standby? Because it had happened in like the first 20 minutes of the show. And then by the time I got to the theatre, Brad had then hurt himself. So I had to go on. And someone actually wrote a letter into the theatre and was like, wouldn't it be easier and less confusing to just use the same kid rather than constantly changing them out?

30:25But no, I don't know if it's the hardest I've ever worked. I think The Odyssey, the most recent film I did, I mean, that was... You know, one of the toughest jobs I've ever had. I cannot wait to talk to you about it. First of all, can't believe I'm not in the Odyssey because everyone else is.

30:41Christopher, Techaville, Techaville.

30:46I mean, but I cannot. Also, all I've heard is how hard it is. And you do hard things in your movies. Okay.

30:58you but before we get to those the two biggest movies of the summer that you are in um i just want to talk about the impossible for a second okay because yes for people that haven't seen it don't watch it it's too it's intense it's so intense and it's so sad it's so good it's it's heartbreaking you are incredible in that movie your performance is incredible Naomi, you and McGregor, the younger children who play your brothers are incredible. Yeah. It is for anyone who has the moment when you reunite is like, you know, I know that I'm depressed when that comes up on my TikTok. Like I know that I'm.

31:35Your algorithm is taking you through your words. Sometimes my kids will look at my algorithm and they'll be like, mom, what's going on? And it'll be like, oh, I got to watch the scene again. I started crying, explaining the scene to Jenna this morning. I was like, they find each other. But Tom, that movie, that movie is, what was it? What do you remember about the experience of making that movie as a young person? I think for me, just an acting masterclass from Naomi Watts and just getting to be on set with her every day and watching a professional at the top of her game deliver, you know, a sort of masterful performance while also taking me under her wing and teaching me everything that I knew and know about cinema.

32:22Yeah. Was it your first feature that you had done? Yeah, it was my first film. So I had left Billy. I did my first audition for the film while I was in the show. Wow. I think I had the summer off after I finished the show and then went straight in to make that film. So I had no idea what I was doing. Wow. And I can imagine as, you know, an actress that was doing a job that she would might describe as the hardest role she's ever played. To have to also teach a young kid how to do it. And she showed such patience and she was so caring and kind. And I would make mistakes because you know what it's like.

32:56Yeah. Where do I go? Where's my mark? Where's the camera? Red sausage on the floor. Like, what is that about? Right. She was so sweet and kind. And even if we were in emotional scenes, she could just snap right out of it and say, you're blocking me from, you're standing in front of the camera. Incredible. I would move. She would get right back into it. Incredible. So she just was an absolute powerhouse. and she had a great work ethic. She was so kind and courteous to the crew. So for me, starting my career in this business, it could not have been a better blueprint for how to behave and how to work.

33:29Well, you talked about in Spider-Man, in Odyssey, in all of the stuff you've done, like you talk about people that you've met who you've learned a lot from, like mentors in some way. Totally. I think my favorite thing about being an actor is that you are the only person when the camera calls cut who is allowed to be in the middle of the room and do absolutely nothing right you can be in the middle of that kind of ecosystem yeah and you have nothing to do you're just waiting for everyone to reset so you have the perfect vantage point to just watch people work yeah and see how they do it and see how they do it differently and see how directors communicate with actors or crew see how actors take notes I love listening to a director give an actor a note and go, I can't wait to see how you interpret that note.

34:19And sometimes you're like, wow, I wouldn't have done it like that. But that is actually really interesting. So for me, it's less about asking people for advice and it's more just sitting back and watching them work. I mean, I think that is the thing is that people are always watching how people behave in the world. Totally. And what you say means nothing if it's different than your behavior. Like you just watch how people behave. Exactly. And you know what it's like on a film set. You're there for five months. You're up at four in the morning. You get to see every shade of a person's personality.

34:50So seeing someone like Matt Damon, for example, on the Odyssey, I have never seen anyone work as hard as Matt did on that film. Yeah. And he was as kind and gracious as he was at the beginning of the day, at the end of the day, and on the toughest days. So it was awesome for me to see someone as experienced as himself also just be the nicest guy and treat it as if this was his first movie. Yeah, that's awesome.

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39:20You go from the impossible to Spider-Man and somehow. And, you know, you've talked about it a lot. 1500 people auditioned for that role getting that part it's just it's just like winning a 10 year lottery and it's just changed completely changed your life and also it's someone telling you like hey the next 10 years of your life are going to be this like it's heavy and exciting all at the same time it was a really weird day the day that I found out that I got the part because it's all I had ever wanted I remember watching Andrew's movies in the cinema Yeah. I just thinking to myself like, oh, wow.

39:57Like imagine if I got an opportunity like that to play that character. Like that would be. But even then you were like, I could do that. I don't know if I knew that I could do it. It was more just this like hunger of I would love to play that role one day. I then spent the next like five years thinking about it, thinking about it. I found out that they were they were auditioning for it. I got myself in there and I spent about six, seven months auditioning for the film. And all I could think about was getting that job. Yeah. And then the day that I got it and I found out, it was like through the roof excitement and then immediate, like, oh, but now I have to actually do it.

40:37Oh, a nightmare. Dread. Why did I want this? Like, this is a nightmare. What? Like, you're holding the hot potato and you're like, who can I give this to? Totally. And like, what's been crazy is doing this fourth film now, Spider-Man Brand New Day, I felt very similar to the way I did on my first film, which was excitement, fear, you know, trying to find this sense of confidence that I could do this. Because the third movie was so successful and sharing the screen with Toby and Andrew felt like the perfect send off for all of us. So when I walked on set for the first time, there was a feeling of like, is this the right thing for us to be doing right now?

41:15Like, should we be making this movie? And then when Destin came into the fold and the director, it all of a sudden felt like, oh, this is exactly what we've been missing. And I am so excited for this next chapter of the franchise because it feels different. It feels new and unique. It feels more mature. And, you know, I love John Watts, the guy that directed the first three. And I think tonally he did such a good job with making these films feel like the experience of a teenager. Yeah, well, I love what you guys are getting into, which is this idea of if I had to relearn why I love people, like that thing of if I had to, if I had to like do it all over again, would I choose the people in my life?

42:01Like it's a deep, cool metaphor for what it's like to get older, like to grow up, to look at your life. Like it's very cool. And, and, and also like, what, what is memory? Like, what are we supposed to remember? What are we supposed to let go of? Like, it's very, very cool territory. Yeah. I think my proudest thing about this new movie is the message. You know, it's a superhero movie at the end of the day. Tom Rossman, the studio head kind of describes it as a superhuman movie because I think the message is so important for young people in this digital age. It's so easy to sit at home of an evening and just scroll through your phone and just turn your mind to mush and to forget about how important socializing is.

42:45Well, my phone is my best friend, so don't talk about it. Listen, tell me about it. I had like a whole bunch of work I was supposed to do on the plane yesterday.

42:56Growing up, did you care about Spider-Man? Because you undressed up as Spider-Man. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because I have boys who loved Spider-Man too. And it's really fascinating to watch how that character gets into the psyche of girls and boys. Why do you think they love, why did you as a young kid? I think it's because he's always asking himself that question of who am I? Yeah. You know, because he doesn't know who he is yet. It's this young experience of failing or trying to talk to the crush that you have at school and it doesn't go well or being behind on homework. And it's just that youthful experience of finding out who you are as a person.

43:37Yeah. And what I love about this film is that the whole premise of the movie is that he's neglecting who he is. He is kind of trying his best to suppress his trauma and just focus on being a hero while failing to realize that the person he is makes him the hero that we love. So it's a really nice little balancing act. And I also think if you ask any young kid what their favorite color is, it's going to be red or blue. And he has both of those. He's got them both. He has both of those. He's got both, babe. Yeah. And he also does that thing where he shoots from his fingers. But it's not this kind of shoot.

44:18That is very important distinction. Because it is a totally different distinction. I'm probably doing it wrong. That's close enough. Close enough. Yeah. And that for little young people feels like a way to like expel energy. Yeah. And the other thing I'll just say is that, of course, because you're a dancer, the way you moved as that character, because Spider-Man moves so... When you... And you've talked about this, which I love, is like you like to get into characters physically first. Yes. Like that's how you kind of walk around the space with them. And I just want to, before we move off of the dancing part, I just want to say that I think there's a deeper reason why your viral moment, Dancing to Umbrella, was so successful.

45:05I have to bring it up. I'm sorry. I've watched it 5 ,000 times. I get more compliments for that dance than any piece of work I have ever done. Yeah, I've probably watched it more than most movies. But not only because of the talent, not only because it's just so funny and fun and great, and you guys are having such a good time together, but it's a person who is, dare I say, comfortable with their feminine side. Oh, yeah, totally, yeah. Well, oh, yeah, totally, yeah. But that's not always the case with men in general. And I mean, you've talked about it, like being a young boy doing ballet, being like a person who's had to like figure out like what is typically male, what is typically female, like what comes from all that.

45:54When you come out confidently in that outfit and crush it, it was like exploded everybody's ideas of everything in the best way. Now I'm not so much like I know that wasn't your intention maybe but I just hope you know that it opened up a lot of feelings for a lot of people I will say that at one point in the dress rehearsal the lady was like do you think we could cut the shorts a little bit short I was like no You were like okay I'm doing enough I'm doing enough for the cause This is still years ahead of its time 100 % And that moment what is your memory of that moment doing it? Because did you feel at the time like this is really fun and funny and goofy?

46:38And then has the response been confusing to you? Or what's your memory of doing that? I was really excited about it. I was nervous at the prospect of doing a live show. Sure. And doing the dance and messing up the choreography or something like that. But it's funny, it never really crossed my mind how it would be received. I just thought, oh, what a fun idea. like we'll do this kind of singing in the rain thing and you felt the energy in the room literally deflate like I started doing the thing in the suit and there's like you know everyone in that audience is like 19 years old so everyone's like what on earth is he doing right and I just knew in my body I was like when I take this suit off you are gonna go nuts and I remember like I had to put lipstick on behind the dancers and stuff so exciting and I had to rip the suit off behind which I'm always sad I didn't do that on camera because it was so fun just having a rip away suit.

47:37They probably were, they wanted to like cover just in case you didn't get it right. Just in case, you know, there was. Little did they know they were working with a professional. Exactly. Yeah, a professional. A professional. And that dance is a great example of what your dad said in the car, which is like, go for it, babe. Yeah, if you're going to do it, give it 100%. Yes. Yeah. It's such a thrilling performance. Thank you so much. Thank you. It is. Am I wrong? That's why I'm so excited about this Fred Astaire thing because of how kind of scary it is and how much if I don't commit to it 100%, it won't work.

48:14And I kind of love the idea of that. There's like a million different ways in which you can put your art out into the world, right? Everybody gets to put it out however they want. but you know there's just there's there's few representations of men that feel like they're like open to experiences in that way am i making any sense yeah no totally yeah okay so save us yeah i will do my best tom please but i want to ask you one question don't or i want to ask a favor review don't do any more stunts dude oh my word no more stunts i know that in movies period yeah but i do feel like stunts are there well i mean you just have to be what when you're doing a stunt yes what do you do with your body like what what's what are some tricks just let it happen just like just grip it and rip it you know like more often than not you're on a wire and there's another guy on the end with a button and you always want to make sure you say hello to him and keep him sweet because you don't want him to dial it up and just fire you off into oblivion.

49:26But truth be told, I have an amazing team of stunt performers that I work with. And, you know, the luxury of the Spider-Man suit is that when one of us is in it, we're very interchangeable. And as it is a character that requires like a really elite level of physicality, those guys are you know ex Cirque du Soleil performers ex British gymnasts you know world champions and stuff like that so as the movies have gone on my appetite to do everything has definitely dwindled because they do a better job like I can do a backflip but Luke can do a double backflip so it's like if you want it to be really special sometimes you have to take your ego out of the room and just let them handle the tough stuff and you gotta protect the money maker you gotta protect the money maker Exactly.

50:12I mean, come on, babe. We can't mess with that face. No, but I do love it. And it is fun. The rush is really great. When you do something that is really scary and it goes really well, it is a great feeling. Yeah, I bet. And it does feel like the closest to being an athlete. Yeah, totally. Yeah, absolutely. And the team's like, you did it. Yeah, well done. Let's go. Yeah, exactly. Because sometimes acting doesn't feel that way. Yeah, it's not. Especially on set. Because if the crew give you a round of applause, it feels so like they're just like, we want to go home. like get on with it yeah well done you did some acting um but yeah if you do a stone you do feel like yeah badass yeah um uh the last thing i'll say about spider-man is jacob your relationship with jacob is really really cool yeah he's the best he and i mean i love that you guys are you know real friends in real life and met at a young age yeah and kind of grew up together doing the the films together and also it just like shows like Ned and Peter's relationship I think is an example of like great male friendship um and um we spoke to him before this podcast oh no way oh no yes we got um we spoke um we he talked a little bit about you and also he gave us a question to ask and he was a total delight um he flashed his um his Rolex oh really he showed you Nice, nice.

51:38But he wanted me to ask you a question. He wants me, and feel free to pass if you want, because I don't know what this is about. So I don't know. He wants me to ask you about the Boiling Rock Part 1. Oh, wow. The Boiling Rock. Is this worth talking about? You can tell us off the air. I think I should probably tell you off the air. I knew it. But now it's going to sound like we're smoking crack or something.

52:13No, it's such a typical boy thing. I was like, give me a question that you would want to talk about. He was like the boiling rock part one. I was like, he's not going to want to talk about this. Oh, man. Yeah, no, we'll chat about that. Okay, we'll chat about that later. But tell me what you love about Jacob. I just love his.

52:34oh man i'm taking that rolex back i just love his i love who he is as a person yeah i love his soul i love his his energy i love his his enthusiasm he you know what's been so amazing for the two of us is that our lives changed on the same day together yeah and we've been through this whole journey together and I've loved every minute of it all of John's movies making those and now working with Destin it and sharing that with someone that has been there since the beginning is really special yeah he's also just one of my best mates like if I haven't seen him for six months when I link up with him it's as if no time has passed yeah and he's an amazing actor and I think that no one could play Ned the way that Jacob does I think that he is the only person that could get those kinds of laughs.

53:28And especially in this movie, I think he's really dialed up the humor in an excellent way. And I just love him. I mean, he feels like he's like that character is like a stand-in for the fan almost, you know, like the audience. And I think that was John Watts' kind of goal was to create a movie that felt like all of us were experiencing what it's like to be Spider-Man. But me and him, we just did an escape room together. And everyone's just like, climb the walls, dude We were in LA And I texted him and I was like, are you here? And he said yes And I was like, I booked this escape room, bro If you want to come And we went, one of the producers from the movie came And him and I were useless Really?

54:14Useless, but we're both leaders Which is a recipe for disaster That's right So there was a lot of like, Jacob, let me do it Let me do it Yeah What are we doing here? And then the time is ticking down Yeah, yeah It was no good But I love him to death. And I really, he will be a friend for life. And he is such a wonderful person. And I couldn't be more grateful to have done this with him. Yeah, well, he says the same about you. And the other big, gigantic movie coming out this summer that you're going to start talking about and probably be doing press now for the next 5 ,000 years is The Odyssey.

54:46Yeah. Which, it looks incredible. Who do you play in it? I play Telemachus. Okay. When I first sat down with Chris, I said, I'm so excited to play Telemachus. Yeah, sure. I'm heavily dyslexic, which is one of the reasons why, and I'd love to talk to you today about it, actually, is why I've never done SNL. Because of the cue cards. I'm just so petrified at the concept of like trying to read something and they change. Oh, this is interesting. Well, I'm sure they have had many dyslexics host. Totally. It's just that like for me, I can read fine. Yeah. But when I have to read out loud, it just becomes like a kind of, it's like a mental block.

55:30Yeah. And I can freeze. So for me, my worst day at work is the read through. Like at the read through, I will really try and highlight everything and learn my lines ahead of time. Yes. So that I'm more kind of skimming it than I am reading. You're kind of remembering it visually, but you know it. Yeah. So I've been, you know, I've been really lucky that they've asked me a few times to do it. And the truth is, is that I'm actually just really scared at the prospect of, I love the show. And I love the idea of having fun and making a fool of yourself in such a fun, creative way. It's just that thing of the cue cards.

56:03You have to remember, there have been people that have hosted that have been fully on drugs. Yeah, that is true. That is true. So I think you can do it. And who are those people? I'll tell you. You can tell. You tell me the boiling rock, I'll tell you those people. but it is, but, but that's so, I love you talking about that, Tom, because it is true. Like the way we learn, how everybody learns is very different. And of course, then what that does is it makes you like be a physical tactile person. Right. Like that's that, of course, that's how you become, that's how you express yourself. Yeah. So, okay.

56:43This is interesting to me because to me like a nightmare would be being in a Christopher Nolan movie and like not knowing my lines or like that's a nice. Yeah, but that would be bad. Okay. So your character is, how would you explain your character? My character is a young man who is kind of feeling this incredible sense of protection towards his mom. She's under an immense amount of pressure from these very vulgar men who all want to marry her and become the king of Ithaca. And Odysseus, my dad, he is the king of Ithaca, but no one knows whether he is alive or not. Who's playing Odysseus? That is Matt Damon.

57:25And the story is about a dad trying to come home and a young boy trying to find his dad. And there is obviously a wonderful scene when that kind of story comes full circle. And, And, you know, for me, it was a dream come true job working with Chris. What's it like working with him? Just a dream. An absolute dream. He is so fun to work for. Fun. Working for Chris is just a delight. I absolutely loved working for him. I admire him beyond belief. His crew is without a doubt the best that I have ever worked with. Is it a quiet place? Like I picture everyone in suits being very good at their job. I would say it's a very focused place.

58:12It's definitely fun. Yeah. You know, like I laughed a lot when I was there. Yeah. And we had a really good time. Yeah. But it's definitely, we are there to do a job. We are there to try and, you know, create something that has never been done before. We were filming everything on IMAX. What is, I've heard this now, but what does that mean for you? How does it make it different for you to film on IMAX? The camera is like as big as this table. I see. Okay. So the camera's huge. Yeah, it's humongous. And they had this thing that Hoyter had designed, the cinematographer, which we called the blimp.

58:45And it was essentially, you remember those old boxes the stills photographers would have that would dampen out the sound? It's essentially that, but for the camera. Whoa. So when they put the camera in there, you can't hear anything. But if they're having it handheld, it goes like, it's like super loud. Whoa. So if you're doing scenes like that, it is really difficult to focus. And I struggle focusing sometimes. And I remember, again, like talking about lessons and watching actors work. I remember a scene between Matt and Anne Hathaway. It's about a nine minute scene. And the camera can only run for three minutes at a time because it runs out of film.

59:27Wow. So they would run it. They would take it out the blimp, reload it, put it back in. And then the two actors would just carry on from where they left off. And this is like the most emotional scene in the movie. Yeah. It is like, it's so fantastic. And to see both of them, because obviously they shot, I think they shot Matt's side first and then they shot Anne's side. So that took almost an entire afternoon. And to see them stay in character and stay in that emotion and never waver and never come out of it. And they would call cut, they would reload the camera. Matt and Anne just stayed there in the moment for three minutes, maybe before the camera would roll again.

1:00:05Wow. It was just a masterclass in patience, professionalism, and like confidence in themselves. Yeah. It was awesome. And I think Chris really gives you a lot of confidence. Yeah. Like there's something about doing a take and him coming up to you and giving you a pat on the back and sort of saying, great, let's move on. Oh, that must feel great. That just feels like, oh, whoa, like I nailed that. He is such a, he's so incredible. His work is so incredible. And you're right. When you work with people who are in like that elevated space, like really in the top of their game, you just like a rising tide raises all boats.

1:00:44That's exactly it. I can't remember. That's my favorite saying. That's my favorite saying. Also, I want to say that you get to work again with your partner in life, Zendaya, who is an incredible actress. She really is, yeah. What do you learn from her as an actress, as an artist? What do you like working with her? You work with her in Spider-Man, you work with her in this, you work with her in life. What do you, what have you learned from her? I think what I love about watching her work as an actress is she's just fearless. She's just like absolutely 10 toes down. Like I'm going to give this everything.

1:01:18And I think when you watch her as Rue in that show, she could not be more different to who she is in real life. And then if you see her as Emma in the drama, it's just such a different performance, but with no less intent or passion or drive. And I think she's the best actor going. I really think she has like something special. Whenever you're in a relationship where you're just doing the same thing. Right. That can be super helpful because you understand what the other person is going through. You understand. Absolutely. It's a wild world being in this industry. And, you know, there are ups and downs and, you know, you go from shooting a movie, which is when we're all at our most comfortable.

1:02:02And then you do a press tour, which feels like you're kind of standing out on the stage. Yeah. And it's so nice to have someone that understands that in such a personal way. Yeah. So that you can talk each other down or you can big each other up. And it's a lifeline. It really is. I couldn't imagine doing what I do without her. Please don't ever. We love you two together. And also, I know it's, we don't know you. This is, we're projecting. But, and I don't know Zendaya, but I am such a huge fan of her work. And what I feel like she and you both prove is like, the more talented you are, the easier you are to work with.

1:02:42Like you guys come into, I've heard just the most amazing things about her and how she works. and um you guys just delivered this version of how to work that is really really amazing and i can see why you you respect that in each other yeah we we had an amazing moment on spider man brand new day and it's only because of our relationship that this happened where we were shooting this scene and we shot my coverage we then turned around on zendaya we're doing her coverage and I would never ever dream of saying this to an actress that I wasn't with right and I said to her I said do you think that this scene is working yeah and she was like no I don't think this scene is working at all so I then went to the producers and asked like do you think the scene is working and they said no and I was like yeah me and Z are like really not feeling it I then went and sat down with Destin and said hey man listen I know we've been shooting for hours and I hate to tell you this but I just I don't think that this scene is working Z and I like what we're supposed to feel we're not feeling it in the moment and what i love about destin is he's so calm there's nothing that could throw him off and he just kind of he listened and he sat down and he was like what is it that you're trying to feel and i told him and he went yeah you're right that's exactly what we need to be feeling so he just he said to the crew everyone can go home incredible we're going to sit down and we're going to rewrite this scene with the writer justin so he was such a talent and we came in the next day we reshot the scene and i'm so glad that we did because it sings in the movie it really does but it's just it's a it was just so funny like i was thinking about like if this wasn't zendaya that i was sitting across from sure imagine on someone else's coverage being like do you think this is working well i have i have done that and now you're to say it does not go over well no it does not yeah because it's like is this good Are you going to do it like that?

1:04:39I go, are we doing a good job? And they're like, are you talking to me? This is my best work. Nope. I'm talking to myself. Yes. You're so right. I mean, there's an intimacy that matters when you're doing work like that. And also, you know, in the reverse, when you're working with someone you know very well, sometimes you forget like, oh, we have to kind of just show up and be scene partners here. And we have to not like cross those boundaries. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's exactly what I'm talking about is like, I feel like you guys are always striving and challenging each other and challenging, you know, and being partners and in life and in work.

1:05:19It's really, really cool to see. Thank you. I do want to tell you, the one thing about the Odyssey is, and in Spider-Man, you have to do an American accent. Yes. Which actually weirdly feels more comfortable for me as an actor. It just feels like there's an immediate degree of separation from who I am as a person. and you know doing different American accents is difficult you know on the Odyssey I think there was a few times where I went full like New York Queens like Odysseus you're home how are ya you know and it's like what the fuck we were waiting for you so I think that are there words that help you get into an American accent ironically the word that I struggle to say the most is Spider-Man.

1:06:05It's so weird. You know what? While you drink, I'll share that my Boston accent, my East Coast Boston accent. Okay. When I was playing Leslie Knope, the one word that I had a hard time saying was, I still have a hard time saying, is government. Government. Which I had to say so much. Yeah, I can imagine that. And playing a government employee. But there's something about the word govern. Govern. Government. Because we would say government, like government. We'd say government in Boston. Yeah, like you get rid of the R. Okay. Like, yeah, I have to deal with the government. Okay. Government. Government.

1:06:43Because also there's an N in there that isn't usually government. Government, yeah. So because you'd want to say Spider-Man? No, because I would want to say Spider-Man is what for some reason just sounded so much more. And I'm like, that's kind of New York, isn't it? And he's like, no, that is the Deep South. But I... You were like, y 'all, I'm Spider-Man. Hey, y 'all. Yeah, I don't know. I just, for some reason... You're very good at it. I really found Spider-Man a difficult word to say, for some reason. Isn't it funny? I mean, I'm sure a lot of people don't know that you're British. I do still get that, actually.

1:07:20A lot getting recognized on the street and people are like, what is going on with your accent, dude? You know, the Brits are not always the best at American accents. That is true. The Irish are a little better and the Australians are the best. You think so? I do. Yes. Like Naomi is fantastic. There's a lot of very good Australians that crush it. I think the Brits tend to be the worst. That is an interesting observation. Now, I'm just going to say I cannot do a British accent, so I would never even try. A British accent is tough. There's so many of them. There's just too many of them. I know. And you have to commit to one.

1:07:56You do. And it's hard. Zendaya has become amazing at British accents. It's actually kind of crazy. It's crazy. But yeah, I think, and also it's very difficult to do a British accent and not make it become a caricature type accent. I mean, I think conversely, like with Brits, when they do American accents, the one thing that they do is they, they kind of always turn into this kind of talking. Right. Like it's just very, because they want to make sure that they're rounding out their contents. There's lots of long R's. One of the things I find really difficult is a lot of Americans, New Yorkers, especially when they're ordering food, it's very different to how we order food.

1:08:39In England, it says, please, may I have the burger with number two? Thank you so much. Please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And in America, it's totally fine to be like, I'll have the number two. Yeah. And just leave it at that. Especially in the East Coast. Totally. Yeah. And I would be doing scenes and my dialect coach would come in and be like, stop saying please. Ooh. Like. Yeah. A kid from New York's not going to say, please, if you're asking for a burger. So you can see it. There's a moment in this movie where someone asked me for a coffee and I just go, sure. And even through the suit, you can see, I'm like, my dad is going to be so disappointed in me.

1:09:16I mean, in New York, it's gotten to the point where it's like, let me get. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, but that is so, I mean, I'm still shocked when people get, let me get a egg and cheese. It's like, let me get. And my dad always says to me, he goes, no, son, you can't go and get it. They'll bring it to you. But you can't go and get it. You can have it. Let me get. But you can't go and get it. They'll stop you getting it. It's so true. I mean, I, I, I, the other last thing I'll say is that it took me a long time to realize that quite meant something different for Americans as than it did for Brits.

1:09:53So quite for you means pretty good. So like, how was it? It was quite good. Yeah. That means it was pretty good. But we don't understand that as Americans. We use quite as like, it was very good. So like, it was quite good. Oh, wow. Like we say like, it was quite a show. Oh, wow. So for a long time, Brits would be telling me that they kind of didn't like things that much. And I'd be like, they like it. He said it was quite good. And I don't think enough friends know this That we don't always understand That quite means pretty good It's fine But we are like, he loved it Which is also very American We've talked about your films, before we go I just want to talk about your beer Oh yes Your non-alcoholic beer Yes Bureau Bureau Your brand Congratulations on it Thank you so much We've been drinking it from these cups the entire time Delicious And why did you start a brand and why non-alcoholic?

1:10:57So I quit drinking because I had a problem and I just couldn't put it down. And it was affecting my professional life. It was affecting my personal life and my health. So I decided to pack it in and I got through that first year, which I think was the toughest challenge that I've ever been on. and during that first year I noticed that there was limited options for people like me that were looking for something that would scratch that itch that would help you live or go to the bar and be a part of the social experience but not feel like the only person with a lemonade yeah the truth behind the shandies which we're bringing out this summer is that Z has never drank she's never been a drinker.

1:11:46She's incredible. She's the best. She's the best. She's the best. She's never drank. She's so on her game. I know. And, um, which means she never found the taste for beer. Yeah. And everyone remembers their first beer. It's a little bit like, ooh, that kind of doesn't taste great. Yeah, it is. It's like, why does my dad drink this all the time? And then you get drunk and you're like, oh, okay, let's go. I'm not here, but I'm here. Right. So she just, she's incredibly proud of Biro. It's just there is a missing link of, like, she doesn't enjoy the stuff that I'm trying to sell.

1:12:19So my mom actually came up with the idea and she said, you know, what if you did a shandy, which is essentially half a beer and then half a lemonade. And we have a grapefruit flavor. There's lemon lime. There's blackberry yuzu. There's elderflower. And it was a ploy to create something at the company that she could enjoy. Yeah. So when this comes out, you will have turned 30. What is something you're looking forward to about turning 30? What's exciting about it? I am incredibly proud of my 20s. Like I look back at the things that have happened in my life personally and then professionally, and I look back on them really, really fondly.

1:13:02So I'm kind of sad to say goodbye to my 20s. Nice. But equally excited to walk into my 30s. I think as a kid growing up in this industry, I've always just been a kid. at work. Yeah. You know, and I'm really excited to sort of, and I think that's probably an internal thing. Not that people treat me like a kid. It's just, I've always felt like, oh, I'm just kind of the young one here. Yeah. And I'm really excited to be, you know, a young man on set and experience what that's like. And I have some really exciting projects in the pipeline and, uh, and yeah, I'm excited. That's awesome. I mean, I, I, I feel like just much like Spider-Man, like there's so much ahead for you, but there is a, uh, it feels like from a very young age, you've had a very strong sense of yourself.

1:13:51That is kind of like something that you just kind of have. It's a thing often you're born with. And I think people feel it from you. Um, I know I'm count myself as one of the many people can't like wait to see whatever you're doing next is really awesome. And so we always finish our, our, our interviews by asking our guests, like, you know, in these, in these like often complicated and troubled times, what they're doing to laugh. Right. Who makes them laugh? You come from a funny family. Yep. What are you watching, listening to, reading? What video do you watch over and over again? What is your like comfort?

1:14:27What's your comfort movie? What is your like comedy go-to that Tom, that makes Tom laugh. And then I want to show you a TikTok dance and see if you can teach me. But don't worry, not now. Now that we're friends, we're going to hang out. My favorite night out is to go to the comedy club. I love all standup. I think it is the bravest form of art in our world because it's like, I remember being backstage with my dad. I've always been so impressed by my dad. Like he is like my hero because he never brought the bad gigs home. He never brought bad gigs home. He's always been someone that's incredibly positive.

1:15:09He's super ambitious. He's really tenacious. And I remember one night he took me to the comedy store and we went together to watch and we went backstage and we saw all the comics kind of getting ready for their set. And I was so impressed by when I go to work, I get picked up. Someone makes my breakfast. someone hands me the words that I'm supposed to say someone will tell me where I'm supposed to stand someone dresses me and I'm considered an artist but so much of that work is done for me but then backstage you see them taking their anorak off putting their packed lunch on the side they go out they nail it they come in and they head off to the next club and I know some of them have writers and all that sort of stuff but to see the singular effort that it takes I was always so impressed by that.

1:15:57And I love that my dad took me to see that because it was really eye opening to me. That's cool. That's very cool. Tom Holland, thank you so much for being here. Yeah, my pleasure. It really, really means a lot. We were very, very excited to have someone of your caliber sitting across from us and congratulations on the two most gigantic movies ever coming. And thank you for all the work that you do. And thanks for being so great and a pleasure to meet you. Amazing. Thanks, Amy. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thanks, guys. It's been so fun. Tom Holland, what a delight. Love talking to you.

1:16:32Thank you so much for coming. And can't wait to see what you're in this summer and what you're in ever, forever, for the rest of your life. Such a fan. And for this Polar Plunge, I just wanted, you know, we talked a little bit about dancing and we talked about Janet Jackson. And there is a choreographer on TikTok named Charlie Wakey who has started a trend where he created a dance to like a smooth criminal mashup, a Michael Jackson song. And I just love that side of dancing online where somebody starts a trend and then other people kind of take it on and do their version of it. And I've been watching it a lot.

1:17:13So check him out. Check out all the original choreographers and dancers online who are making great stuff. And keep dancing, babe. Keep dancing. Okay. Thanks. See you soon. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullin, and Alea Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

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