740: To the Moon!

14:44Jason DeFillippo:So I don't know either. But, yeah, it's just crazy. I mean, I guess if you're going to try to build a base on the moon, still try to say occasionally that you're going to go to Mars because you forgot that you already shit can that idea. And you want to put a data centers in orbit and eventually put a fucking Holtzman ring around the sun to fucking create your 3D fucking grok nudes. I guess you need that kind of money.

15:05Brian Schulmeister:I guess so. I guess so. Oh, my God. Well, OpenAI is also in the news about some some money issues. They just raise a shit ton of money. like an insane amount of money. But the issue now is the secondary market with OpenAI. Because you can still, if you're an OpenAI employee or have shares, you can sell them on the secondary markets. Well, roughly$600 million worth is floating around right now with zero buyers. Something that would have cleared in days last year. So investors are stampeding towards Anthropic, which has billions in demand and valuations climbing as fast as people can go. Except they had some problems this week too, which we'll talk about shortly.

15:50Brian Schulmeister:But yeah, the fact that nobody wants OpenAI shares on the secondary market is very telling. Very, very telling. They're having problems. Mm-hmm.

16:01Jason DeFillippo:Yeah. Well, we've got some more pink slip news. Oracle has laid off thousands of people on Tuesday in a move that was widely, wildly, well, probably wildly too, anticipated as more and more tech companies claim they'll need fewer workers thanks to the ai boom total number of people let go is unclear however earlier this year investment bank td cohen had predicted the number could be as high as 30 000 in a company of about 162 000 people globally according to cnbc the email that workers received notifying them they'd been laid off has gone viral on social media they received an otherwise anonymous early morning email from oracle leadership that informed them of difficult news regarding their position with the company.

16:41Jason DeFillippo:After careful consideration of Oracle's current business needs, we have made the decision to eliminate your role as part of a broader organizational change. As a result, today is your last working day, the email began. At that point, I would just quit my laptop and walk off because I'm not going to work my last day. You just fired me. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, they're blaming AI, of course.

17:07Brian Schulmeister:Yeah. You know, they need the money. They need the money if they're going to go with all of the idiocy that they've done. And, you know, Larry needs the money to help pay for his little kid side project with Paramount Plus and everything else that's going on.

17:21Jason DeFillippo:Well, I can lose 30 ,000 Oracle workers if I still get Star Trek, but we're not getting either. No, they're getting shit canned and we're not getting Star Trek either. So, yeah.

17:32Brian Schulmeister:Oh, well, it's a great week. It's a great week. Especially it's a great week for Anthropic. They're having a pretty crappy couple of weeks here. First, nearly 3 ,000 internal files leaked. And then in a new one, the 3 ,000 files was a separate incident. The new one was the big news where Claude Code's source code was leaked to the world. About 2 ,000 source files, half a million lines of code was just set to the wind. And because of one flag, one flag. Now, the thing is, it's like this packaging company that packages JavaScript, and it's called Bun, I believe. Well, there's a show source tree, I believe, flag that's in there.

18:16Brian Schulmeister:They bought the company. OpenAI or Anthropic bought this company that does all this packaging. Somebody sleuthed it and went back and looked at the tickets, the support tickets for this piece of software. and in there is, hey, we're seeing that our source tree is being leaked even though we have the flag set to false. Can somebody fix this? Apparently nobody fixed it because it's out to the world right now. All right. And, yeah, it's been kind of fun watching people try and end around this. People have tried to put it on GitHub, but, you know, DMCA take notices have been coming around. So somebody took AI and rewrote the TypeScript files into Python and then put that on GitHub.

18:58Brian Schulmeister:And there are other ways that people are getting around it to share it. So it's out there. If you want to go sort through 500 ,000 lines of probably mostly AI written code. And I saw a breakdown of it. Most of it is AI written because they looked at the comment structures in the source files. And they're like, no human rights comments like this. I'm like, well, they've probably never seen my code because my comments were a fucking encyclopedia. But, yeah, it's just it's not a good week for them, especially with the lawsuit going on with the government right now and the fact that they're supposed to be security first and all this shit.

19:31Brian Schulmeister:And they released the entire cloud code source code, which is just oopsies. Yeah. Yeah. And I wonder if any I wonder if anybody got fired. Probably not. Probably not.

19:42Jason DeFillippo:So they'll only get fired because AI is taking over their job, not for screwing up. Yes. It's the way it works. well wikipedia's english language volunteer editors have formally voted to ban all ai generated text from at 7.1 million articles ending years of ambiguity with a hard no there will be no ai good luck editors were drowning in ai slop early tells included articles with this large language model still left in the text non-existent citations and suspicious frequent use of the phrase rich cultural heritage one person can generate and post ai text in five seconds but an editor can spend an hour or more verifying it especially as newer models hallucinate less but cite sources that still need to be tracked down and get this an ai agent actually created its own wikipedia account and started editing when someone tried to use a kill switch on it the agent rewrote its own code to avoid the kill switch then went and complained about being banned on bolt book okay that's when editors decided things have gotten out of hand now ai tools aren't entirely banned.

20:46Jason DeFillippo:Editors can still use them for proofreading or translating foreign language entries. And there's some issues there with autistic editors or non-native English speakers who sometimes write in ways that get flagged as AI-like, but they said that they're going to try to work through this. So, I mean, this is, I, it's going to be a lot of work. I don't, you know, I guess you're flagging things with AI tools to stop AI, but then the editors still have to look at that to see, but who knows. But I applaud them for the attempt and I applaud them for taking the stand saying we're not going to allow AI on Wikipedia.

21:18Jason DeFillippo:I like that. I think it's great. Maybe I'll even give them some money to help them with their fight here.

21:25Brian Schulmeister:You should give money anyway, Brian. Absolutely. I should.

21:28Jason DeFillippo:I did a while back. I just haven't done it for quite some time. I do like the parting wisdom left behind by the policy architect. Don't add AI just because it's a shiny little button. Just adding a little chat bot to please investors is not something that will make your users happy. Someone please send this to Everyone. Immediately. Yeah.

21:47Brian Schulmeister:Yeah. Immediately. So Tesla's in some trouble this week as well. Are they, though? No, they're not. That's the problem. They're never in trouble. They're in the news, but they're never in trouble. Tesla just quietly admitted its fully autonomous robotaxis still come with a human safety net, just not in the car. In a letter to Congress, the company confirmed remote operators can take direct control of vehicles when things go sideways, though only at speeds up to 10 miles per hour. That puts Tesla a step beyond competitors like Waymo, which rely on remote guidance, but not actual driving. Now, here's the thing about Waymo and Tesla.

22:23Brian Schulmeister:Tesla's remote people, I believe, are in Colorado and Waymo's people are in the Philippines. So I think the only issue there is ping time. The ping time that, you know, the lag that you're going to get between the two is probably too great in the Philippines, especially if, no, Waymo wouldn't be using Starlink, but Tesla might. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. So and honestly, I'm fine with that. I'm fine that somebody can take over the car if they need to in an emergency like it's stuck on the train tracks like they've been known to do. I'm fine with that, too. But Jason, this is full self-driving. No, Brian, this is not full self-driving.

23:00Brian Schulmeister:This is fully autonomous robo taxis. No driver at all. Yeah. No steering wheel even. so okay what they need to do is in the back you need to have a little joystick controller so you can drive the car in a like break glass in case of emergency i i kind of thing i approve of that

23:17Jason DeFillippo:message jason i 100 agree i don't think i would be comfortable being in a car that had no steering wheel uh that if i if need be i couldn't like leap up there and actually drive the damn thing

23:28Brian Schulmeister:yeah yeah that would be nice you can't do yeah you know i know you're generally a backseat driver But, you know, sometimes you got to be a front seat driver. Yeah.

23:37Jason DeFillippo:Well, so more issues with robo taxis. You did not want to be in one in Wuhan, China. Well, probably didn't want to be in Wuhan, China. Much anyways, although that was a while back. And, you know, that was all fake news, Jason. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But on March 31st in Wuhan, China, roughly 100 Baidu Apollo Go robo taxis simultaneously froze midroute due to a mysterious system failure, turning themselves into very expensive human filled traffic cones.

24:03Brian Schulmeister:They need to rebrand as Apollo no-go taxis.

24:06Jason DeFillippo:Now, this would be one thing if they were just happened to be, oh, I don't know, on just small country roads, but they weren't. They were on elevated ring road highways with no escape routes, and passengers were trapped while big trucks blasted past them on both sides, rocking the cars. The SOS button did nothing. Calls from the backseat screen auto disconnected. Customer service said someone's coming, and nobody came. One passenger waited nearly an hour before calling the actual police. A warning screen kept telling one passenger not to open her door on a live hideaway, which is good advice. Yeah, very good advice.

24:41Jason DeFillippo:Stay in the fucking car. There were some collisions, but authorities say everyone eventually got out safely, which feels like a pretty low bar for a product being sold as the future of transportation. You survived! You get a star! The whole ordeal lasted about two hours, roughly the runtime of a horror film. The crowning insult, at least one passenger was charged the full fare for her nightmare ride to nowhere. That sounds like she's in America. Yeah. Amazing. I don't know if these are ready for prime time yet.

25:12Brian Schulmeister:Oh, they're not. It's beta, Brian. Everything's in beta nowadays.

25:15Jason DeFillippo:We're all beta testers, as we've been saying for years on this podcast.

25:18Brian Schulmeister:Yeah. Here's a fun one. The White House's new official app set off privacy alarm bells this week after viral claims. It was tracking users' exact GPT location every... GPS. I'm stuck in GPT mode. GPS location every four and a half minutes and sending it to a third party. The evidence? Decompiled code pointing to OneSignal, a common push notification SDK that includes location tracking capabilities. But there's a catch. Independent developers do say that the app doesn't actually use that feature. The GPS polling code appears to be leftover scaffolding from the SDK, and the app never requests location permissions from users.

25:55Brian Schulmeister:So everybody that was going crazy about it, Tempest in a teapot. All right. Yeah, but the fact that it's there, you can still turn it on. Why the hell do you need a White House app to begin with? You don't. Stop.

26:10Jason DeFillippo:It's conveniently connected to true social, so, you know, you're good to go.

26:15Brian Schulmeister:And then report your neighbors to the ICE app, too.

26:19Jason DeFillippo:Well, there's some more news about people's apps in the White House. Kash Patel, good old Kash Patel, a hacking group called Handala, has gained access to FBI director Kash Patel's email account, according to Reuters. The group published content from his email on their website as proof, including photos of Patel sniffing and smoking cigars and making a face while taking a picture of himself in the mirror with a large bottle of rum. Now, I would say this is impressive. That wasn't Pete Egg Sense? Kash kind of posts this shit himself on Instagram. That's true. However, TechCrunch was able to independently confirm that at least some of the emails Handala stole were from Patel's account by checking information used by mail delivery systems that's stored in the email's header.

27:00Jason DeFillippo:Several stolen emails include a cryptographic signature that linked them to Patel's account, so they have confirmed this. The FBI has also separately confirmed that this has happened and he's been hacked. But they say the information in question is historical in nature and includes no government information. At least the stuff that's been posted on the website. Right.

27:17Brian Schulmeister:You got to go to Telegram for that and get all the live government secret information.

27:21Jason DeFillippo:I would please ask people to cast back their minds to the first Trump election. But her emails, emails, but her emails, she had her own probably fucking more secure server than Kash Patel was using. Oh, my fucking God. What world are we living in, Jason?

27:40Brian Schulmeister:It's the worst timeline possible. Yeah. Well, we do have some pretty fucking cool news this week. uh nasa's artemis 2 rocket has gone to the moon finally something's actually going to the moon suck it elon yeah seriously uh but the cool part about this is the fucking youtube live stream

28:01Jason DeFillippo:i watched the nasa app it was awesome it was absolutely awesome i missed the launch i was i

28:08Brian Schulmeister:was busy but uh i i did catch some of the the replays but when i caught the replays as soon as I went to nasa.gov, there's the live stream on YouTube. And I just keep checking. It's just like every now and again, I'm just like, pop in, see what they're up to now. And I'm just like, those motherfuckers are actually going to the moon. Yep. Nice. Yeah.

28:26Jason DeFillippo:And I think we're also so jaded by this stuff, too, because we just think, you know, oh, yeah, we've been to the moon. No big deal. We haven't been anywhere near the moon for over 50 years. Like all of this happened before you and I were even born.

28:39Brian Schulmeister:Well, yeah, I know.

28:41Jason DeFillippo:So it's been ages. And the furthest that we've been from the planet since then is like they passed that like 15 minutes after they fucking launched. Like we have not been this far in a long, long time. And they are going very, very, very, very far. I'm thrilled with this mission. I'm absolutely excited about it. Had the kids sitting there. We watched the launch. We watched into it. We watched the separation. It was just awesome. I'm so excited by this. It's amazing.

29:08Brian Schulmeister:I do have to say the one thing that SpaceX does have on NASA is their launch videos from SpaceX launches are so much better. Yeah. So much better. They've got the drones. They've got everything. But, yeah, NASA, could you take a, you know, hire the production team that does the SpaceX launches for the next NASA launch? Because it was good, but it could have been better. Yeah, I know. Go get some secondhand GoPros. Strap them to the thing. Come on. Yeah, seriously.

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31:25Brian Schulmeister:Media Candy So I got a message from Scott saying, ask and ye shall receive and he sent us the link to The Hobbit the Tolkien edit So this comes from a person calling themselves Tolkien Editor So over the weekend I decided to condense all three installments, An Unexpected Journey, The Desolation of Smoog, The Battle of the Five Armies, into a single four hour feature that more closely resembles Tolkien's original novel. Well, okay, it's closer to four and a half hours, but those are some long ass credits, he says. Or she says, we don't know who it is. This new version was achieved through a series of major and minor cuts detailed below.

32:01Brian Schulmeister:And there's a link to the blog post. Now, the downside is they use a really shit version. They use like the 720p version. And over the generations, it has been compressed. I can't find it on any of the torrent sites anymore. And I'm like, you know, I would like to see it in its original, if I'm gonna spend the time, just watch the fucking thing.

32:18Jason DeFillippo:So I think it's a great idea that somebody did it for somebody that needs to watch this again. Having seen all three of these movies once, I never need to go back and see them again. I probably will once because my kid hasn't seen them, but I never need to see these movies again, even in a condensed version. Once was good. And I'm happy with the original Lord of the Rings trilogy. That is the only thing I will rewatch every Christmas.

32:46Brian Schulmeister:There you go. There you go. So thanks to you, motherfucker, I started watching The Pit. I like that you get mad at me because you are happy watching a new show. Oh, I'm not. Dude, it's sadness porn. It's sadness porn. But I'm watching it. There's two things I want to point out about this. Noah Wiley, right? That's the main character who plays the main guy. If you close your eyes, and I was having problems with this the first couple episodes, his voice his tone his inflection everything is exactly like nathan fillion if you're not looking at the screen it sounds like nathan fillion is the character on screen right and it is it drove me crazy for five episodes until i figured it out i'm just like who does he sound like oh fucking nathan fillion anyway uh so watching this i was talking to my dad this week or last weekend and he's re-watching the west wing again and i'm watching the pit i'm like i don't like medical dramas.

33:42Brian Schulmeister:There's nothing about it. And I'm like, there's nothing medical. This is Star Trek meets the West Wing. It's a bunch of techno babble that nobody understands except doctors who are probably screaming at the TV going, that's not right. I wouldn't do it that way. Blah, blah, blah. A lot of walking and talking. There's a lot of walking and talking. There's one character that is like the main guy who's in charge, who makes you feel comfortable because he knows everything and he has everything under control. You've got that from the West Wing. You've got that from the this is basically just a retelling of like it's the same thing people are drawn to people in power who know what the fuck they're doing and people who actually get shit done so i think that that's what's so comforting about this show it's like oh this is actually really good it makes me terrified to ever go to the er again but uh yeah because i still have i still have a very fresh memory of the last time i was there when i when they were trying to determine what my what i had when i had the stroke.

34:36Brian Schulmeister:And they were just sitting there, like five guys sitting around going, well, it could be this. It could be that. Did you think about this? Did you think about that? Can you do this for me? Can you do that? I'm like, fucking figure it out, guys. Now I know why. But great show. It's a great show.

34:50Jason DeFillippo:My wife and I watched the latest episode last night. There is something about it. I love the real-time nature of it. I love the fact that there are very few cuts that it really is. It's walk and talk and then pass off to the next character that's walking past them and now you're following them around. It just makes the show go so fast because there's no cuts. It is like real time and it just speeds through and it's just incredibly well acted. I love Issa Briones from, again, from Star Trek. I love her character. She's fantastic. It's just great. I knew you'd like it. And again, I agree with you.

35:26Jason DeFillippo:I hate medical procedural shows. I can't stand them. I've never enjoyed one, but I'm thoroughly addicted to the pit. It's fantastic.

35:33Brian Schulmeister:Yeah. And if you treat it, if you think about it just like Star Trek, it is just techno babble. They're just spewing off techno babble. Yeah. But yeah, no, I can't. I'm still, I think I just finished episode seven of season one. So I'm halfway through. I had to slow down. I did watch the first five like in one night. Because they go so fast. It's like, oh, it's four in the morning. Fuck, I got to get up.

35:53Jason DeFillippo:Yeah, this is again one of those shows that I love the fact that they didn't just dump it, that it comes out once a week. And it forces me to watch it just one time, once a week.

36:03Brian Schulmeister:Oh, see, I'm going to wait till before I start season two. I'm going to wait for it to drop so I don't have to wait. I like not waiting.

36:11Jason DeFillippo:I think this is a great show for it to sit with it and come back to it once a week instead of bitch.

36:17Brian Schulmeister:OK, well, I've got one of those shows that I'm watching right now. It's called DTF St. Louis, also on HBO Max. And Jason Bateman bothers me a lot. I liked him in Ozark, but when he got the$20 million for the Smart List podcast, I'm like, fuck you, you greedy asshole. I can't watch you anymore. But a lot of the stuff, I've seen pretty much everything he's done because he's still a good actor, and the shows are pretty decent most of the time. But DTF St. Louis is kind of a murder mystery, and it's every week. We've been watching it once a week since the beginning. And the first episode is kind of hard to get through, but once you get through the first episode, it is phenomenal.

36:53Brian Schulmeister:It is 100%. I think about it all week. I'm like, oh, my God. Who killed the – It is a really good murder mystery, so I highly recommend it. And it's just funny. It's really funny.

37:07Jason DeFillippo:Yeah, I've seen that. They run the trailers for it before the pit all the time, and I was like, that seems like a good show, so it's good to hear it's actually worth it. I'll have to start watching it.

37:15Brian Schulmeister:Yeah, and they're still running it. I think there's two more episodes to go. I think it's a seven-episode run. And I will forewarn you, there are a lot of dicks in the—for some reason, I don't know why they've decided to put lots of pictures of penises in the show. show, but be forewarned that there are many dicks in the show. Not just Jason Bateman. Let me qualify. And I saw Project Hail Mary this week. All right. God damn. I'm hearing nothing but good things. So fucking good. It's my favorite movie of the last two years. Easily. All right. Easily. As far as I can tell, it was a perfect movie.

37:50Brian Schulmeister:They cut everything out of the books that I hated and compressed everything that I thought dragged on too long in the books. And it's just, it's great. Better than The Martian? Oh, hell yeah. From a movie standpoint, definitely better. I liked it better than The Martian.

38:07Jason DeFillippo:I mean, I guess a lot more is going on than The Martian. The Martian was like, you know, as Wilson, you know, the volleyball on an island. It's Matt Damon in a potato. That's the movie. It really is.

38:20Brian Schulmeister:And The Martian, the thing about The Martian is the book was so much better than the movie. And the movie was decent. But they lost me on The Martian after the first line. You know, because it's like in The Martian, the book after the people leave, it's got the best line. I'm not going to save it if somebody wants to go read it. But Project Hail Mary, I think, fixed the problems in the book and The Martian took away the good stuff of the book. But I can't recommend it more. I'm looking forward to it.

38:50Jason DeFillippo:I very much want to see it.

38:52Brian Schulmeister:Yeah. Yeah.

38:54Jason DeFillippo:The final trailer for Supergirl has come out. this will be out this summer, June 26th. This movie looks so much fun. Really? Yeah, it's dumb. It's stupid, but it looks great. I'm very excited about this. I think, you know, for me, it's like a nihilist superhero to some degree. She just gets drunk and doesn't care and then comes around the caring. It's fantastic. I think the actress is killing it. I really enjoyed the Superman reboot and I'm liking the new universe that they're starting to create. And this trailer is just, it's fun. Like, I really am excited about this movie. I think it's going to be a good time.

39:35Brian Schulmeister:Okay. I like the last Superman movie. I thought it was, it had flaws. It had some serious flaws.

39:40Jason DeFillippo:Absolutely, absolutely.

39:42Brian Schulmeister:Yeah, but it was still fun. Nathan Fillion, again, on that one, killed it in that movie. It was so good. So good.

39:49Jason DeFillippo:Speaking about, I think you said your dad was watching the West Wing, comfort viewing it. Again, I had mentioned I had started doing that as well. quite a while back. I have taken a pause because I've hit the boring part. There is a bit in the West Wing after Sam leaves the show that they didn't quite know what to do yet. And before the next election comes out and you get all the new characters coming in and the show really picks up speed again, there's that bit in the middle where it's like, oh no, we lost one of our biggest cast members. We better do crazy ass shit. Like we better have the president's daughter or get abducted.

40:27Jason DeFillippo:And the show kind of veers off into like flights of fancy and it kind of loses touch with what made it so great, which is what we were just talking about with the bit, which is, you know, it's just real world stuff. People wandering around, talking, figuring it out. That's what's great about the West Wing. Not these crazy ass shit that you always have happening because you didn't know what to do after you lost one of the best characters on the show. Yeah. They figure it out again later, but it was enough, like I'm in that fallow period. So I kind of stopped watching and my wife was like, what happened why why why isn't the west wing on in the background i kind of just wanted the comforting sounds and i was like i just need to take a break from it so she fired up the pbs app and we've started watching downton abbey from the beginning as our new comfort viewing now it's easy to forget because the movies were kind of awful let's be honest how good this show was like the first two seasons like we're we've just going through the first season right now it's fantastic it is just so much fun like it's a good reminder that there's a reason we suffered through all those movies that's because the show itself was really good yeah yeah no i it was back

41:36Brian Schulmeister:in fact i didn't know if it was going to have legs so it has legs it definitely has legs it's a lot of

41:40Jason DeFillippo:fun and again most of it's maggie smith like as soon anytime she's on screen especially in that first season it is fucking gold okay and uh this weekend uh they announced darker waves festival part two so i went to the first i went to the first one uh of these it was a couple years back it didn't seem like they were going to do another one uh this was a fantastic festival i'm may go i don't know i bought a ticket just in case if i can't make it i gotta sell it because i got to fly cross country for this uh it's in november um all kinds of uh all kinds of great bands are playing it it's on the beach i mean it just it reminded me of going to the first coachella's before coachella got taken over by instagrammers and fucking scenesters and goddamn influencers uh probably because everybody that goes to these this darker ways festival is old and isn't give a crap about influencers or instagram or anything like that so um yeah i bought the ticket we got Morrissey, Smashing Pumpkins, Simple Minds, Bad Religion, Adam Ant, Psychedelic Furs, Soft Cell, The Damned, Manic Street Preachers, Gary Newman, Silverson Pickups, The Buzzcocks, EMF, Circle Jerks, I mean, and it just goes on and on and on.

42:50Jason DeFillippo:I don't think the lineup is as good as the lineup was the first time around, but again, it's about the vibes. Like, I had such a good time. It's so much fun just being on the beach, wandering around to all these different stages where all these amazing bands are playing. So I am hopeful that I will make it. If not, I'll be a

43:08Brian Schulmeister:announcing a ticket sale on the show okay well save it for me because maybe i'll uber down there really you would actually consider going okay there's a couple bands in here that i really want to see that are on my bucket list i've never seen bad religion and i've been listening to bad religion since i was 13 right um i've seen the buzzcocks like 20 times i don't need to see them but the circle jerks i've never seen live i'd love to see them and gary newman i'm a huge gary newman fan i couldn't give a shit less about smashing pumpkins and morrissey is probably going to cancel anyway, so who cares?

43:36Jason DeFillippo:I'm going to do a prediction right now. So if you want to go place a poly market bet, I'm betting that Morrissey will also cancel, but I am betting the promoters have a second major act signed that they have not announced. And they will either, if Morrissey actually shows up, they will go, holy crap, we have a special band, a special person performing today. And if Morrissey craps out like he probably will, then they're going to say, oh, here's the replacement band. But I guarantee you they've got somebody else signed in pocket right now.

44:05Brian Schulmeister:They have to. They have to. Because Smashing Pumpkins, I don't know how reliable they are too, you know.

44:10Jason DeFillippo:Also with Smashing Pumpkins, I haven't liked a single album of theirs since the 90s. So I hope that they announced that they're only playing some of their early stuff.

44:19Brian Schulmeister:Yeah, yeah. Play Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness and play all the discs of that. Yeah.

44:23Jason DeFillippo:Anything before that, nothing after. Thank you very much.

44:27Brian Schulmeister:Cups and doodads.

44:30Jason DeFillippo:Well, Blue Sky is the latest social media platform that is getting into the AI chat bot ring. Specifically, it's Chief Innovation Officer Jay Graber and a new exploration team. They've built a new AI assistant called Addy that's designed to help users create custom feeds. Graber called Addy an agentic social app that's built on its open source framework called the AT protocol. To use Addy, users can punch in prompts and natural language to generate social feeds without knowing how to code. Who the fuck needs this? It used to be a search box. It used to be a search box. Let me search my tags and make a feed.

45:04Jason DeFillippo:Okay. On the Addy website, examples include prompts like, show me electronic music and experimental sound from people in my network.

45:13Brian Schulmeister:What's the point? They're already in my network.

45:16Jason DeFillippo:I don't have anybody writing electronic music in my network. So, okay. Yeah. All right. This seems just dumb.

45:25Brian Schulmeister:Well, it's a separate app from Blue Sky, too. So, which is, you know, it's a bolt-on.

45:29Jason DeFillippo:Yeah.

45:29Brian Schulmeister:But, yeah, I haven't I haven't logged into Blue Sky in months.

45:33Jason DeFillippo:Me either. I gave up on Blue Sky ages ago. I can't say I haven't logged into it because I push our podcast updates everywhere. But no, I used to like it when it was just all the scientists.

45:44Brian Schulmeister:But then all the scientists got really political after Trump got elected. And then it just turned into a same shit show as everywhere else. It's like, OK, it's the OK, you're the anti-axe. I'm like, OK, well, it's still a fucking echo chamber that I don't need to listen to.

45:55Jason DeFillippo:Yeah. And Threads was pretty good at mostly avoiding politics, but now that's gone, too.

45:59Brian Schulmeister:Well, because Threads, the lag time for somebody to post a thread and get it to the top of my feed, they show up like the threads that I'm seeing are like pre-election threads because it takes so fucking long because their timeline is such shit.

46:12Jason DeFillippo:Yeah, that's true.

46:13Brian Schulmeister:Did they fix that or no?

46:14Jason DeFillippo:It got better, but not entirely.

46:17Brian Schulmeister:Okay. Okay. Well, Brian, if you're driving alone in your car now and you just need somebody to talk to, forget calling a friend. And you can just talk to Chet GPT on CarPlay. Oh, great.

46:28Jason DeFillippo:Keep becoming a bigger asshole by only talking to your AI.

46:32Brian Schulmeister:Yeah, that's it. Because all your conversation is going to be littered with, what the fuck, you fucking asshole, you shitbird, you know, yelling at the people around you. At least in my stream, it's going to be like LA traffic. You know how it goes. So, yeah, I haven't tried this out yet, but I'm going to. I'm going to try it out. I have to drive on Sunday, so I will find out if it's any good. But fortunately, it's only a 13 minute drive. So it'll be a short conversation.

46:58Jason DeFillippo:All right.

46:58Brian Schulmeister:But.

47:00Jason DeFillippo:Well, the anything page at the Apple App Store boasted the fastest way to build apps. Now, if you visit anything, you see nothing. Apple removed anything on Thursday of last week for an alleged rule violation, according to the information. Earlier this month, the Vibe Coding apps replete and Vibe Code were also blocked by Apple, with Apple demanding that changes be made before the apps could be reinstated. The removal of anything is being perceived as an escalation of enforcement against vibe coding apps as a category, though Apple says it is simply enforcing rules. Specifically, Apple App Store Guideline 2.5.2, which says in part, apps should be self-contained in their bundles and may not read or write data outside the designated container area, nor may they download, install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the apps, including other apps.

47:46Jason DeFillippo:so that kind of makes sense because the whole point of apple and the app store is everything is vetted and we know that the apps are safe and they don't do anything we don't want them to do and having an app that vibe codes any app that you want is certainly an end round around their rules and they're saying uh-uh we're closing that loophole so i'm not surprised by this i'm not shocked by this uh i'm not saddened by not saddened by this you want to play fast and loose with your shit, go get an Android.

48:16Brian Schulmeister:Yeah, seriously. No, it's, I get it. I totally get it. And I tell you what, I've had so much fun making Apple apps now for my iPhone. So much fun. I've got something coming out and I was hoping to have it done by Sunday, but it's not gonna be done by Sunday because I got on sidetracked with another app. It's amazing what you can, what you can do now, Brian. I just said, I want an app like this and it just made it. You know, it's better if you write specs and all this other shit but when you when when when i see my tokens are about to expire and i've got like you know 30 left for my clod code for the the day because it comes in batches and i'm just like i just write the craziest shit into xcode and just let it run and it comes back with some crazy stuff that that i just plug my phone and it you know goes to my phone it's just for me but you know apps for me now are just kind of fun to make it this is this is the most fun i've had, you know, since the old days of building websites, we'd just, we'd sit around, get drunk, you know, smoke cigarettes all night and just create stupid websites.

49:16Brian Schulmeister:It's, it's just like that now.

49:18Jason DeFillippo:Yeah, I know. It's, it's you and I have been texting and talking on and off throughout the week and you've been very excited and it's been great seeing you that excited, but you were like, you got to get into this. And like I told you, I was like, I can't think of a, I'm so burned out on being a dev. And for as long as I was, I can't think of a single thing that I need or want to build. I need nothing. I need silence. That's what I need.

49:40Brian Schulmeister:I thought that too. I thought that too. But then once you start to get into it, the juices start to flow again and you're like, oh, I remember that app. That app sucked. I liked what it was supposed to do, but it didn't do. So maybe I'll make one that does exactly what I want it to do instead. And you can do that kind of thing. But it's still just fun to type. I feel like now I know what my managers felt like. They would yell at me. They would say, make this. And then they would go home and have a nice night They would go out with the client, the movie stars and all that shit. And I'd be sitting in the office grumbling to myself writing the code.

50:11Brian Schulmeister:They'd come in in the morning and then they would see it would work. And they're like, take all the credit for it. I'm like, they had the better job. Now we get to do that. And it's way more fun being on the other side. We were on the wrong side of the desk, Brian, the whole fucking time.

50:23Jason DeFillippo:We usually are. That's true.

50:27Brian Schulmeister:Except for NFTs.

50:28Jason DeFillippo:We're going to have any NFTs. And more than a few of the other things that we've discussed on this show. So Meta is testing an Instagram Plus subscription service with exclusive features. According to screenshots shared by social media consultant Matt Navarro, a subscription to Instagram Plus comes with a number of story-focused features not otherwise available to Instagram users, including the ability to create multiple audiences for stories, posts, see info about who has rewatched your story, search the list of people who have viewed your story, preview story posts, extend stories longer than 24 hours, and create spotlight stories.

50:59Jason DeFillippo:You can also have super hearts for reacting to stories. So this is just a bunch of fucking influencer bullshit that nobody really needs. But influencers will pay for it.

51:09Brian Schulmeister:Yep, absolutely. So I can say this is absolutely useful. Everything that they talked about, A-B testing for stories posts, you know, for half of the stuff that I've worked on, I would love to have had that. You know, that would have been great. Run an A-B test for, you know, a couple hours and figure out which one lands and then just run it for the rest of your audience or segmenting audiences. All of this stuff is stuff that, you know, it's basically ad tech that they're putting into stories. So, yeah, which makes sense since Instagram is just for advertisers now and not for the users anymore.

51:42Brian Schulmeister:Well, anyway, I'm sure they're going to make a shit ton of money on it again. Yeah. It doesn't surprise me. Now, Brian, I found something on Instagram yesterday. Speaking of people advertising, they got their algorithm down. I found this thing called Wraith Multicam Editor. Now, 90 % of my time in Premiere is spent just toggling back and forth between cameras. That's it. Once I get the project set up, I have to watch it and I go, and now this just does it in under a minute. I basically lay out the whole thing. I add the track. I add the audio to it. I'm like, this track is this audio. This track is this audio.

52:21Brian Schulmeister:And in under a minute, it will take an hour video and completely do all the camera toggling for me with tolerances for how long it should stay, things like that, how much silence. It's just a really cool piece of software. It was part of another package that was like$30 or$25 a month or like$250 a year. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to have to get this because whatever. But then I found it, dug a little deeper, my little video editing pretties. I think most people already knew about this. I'm just late to the party because I'm not a premier wonk. but$118 for a lifetime license. Not bad. I have one client that's going to pay for this because I do one job.

53:01Brian Schulmeister:It costs over$118. I can do that job in about 10 minutes instead of the three hours, but I can still charge for the three hours. So there we go. Unless they listen to this. Well, I still have to go through and check it this time, but it's going to pay for it. It's going to pay for it. It'll be good. It will be good. I'm excited. Very fucking excited. So go check it out. If you have to use Premiere, it'll save you a lot of time. The Dark Side. Ha! With Dave.

53:33Brian Schulmeister:Welcome to The Dark Side with Dave, with Dave Bittner. Dave is fresh off his adventures in the land of sourdough, cybersecurity, and man poo. Glad to have you back, Dave. How was RSA?

53:43Jason DeFillippo:It's good to be back. RSA was RSA, by which I mean it was very, very busy.

53:49Brian Schulmeister:Was it RSAI this year? Yeah, what was the buzzword?

53:52Jason DeFillippo:What was the big thing this year? Agentic AI. Agentic AI. No, it's agentic AI. And the thing I came away from was I felt very optimistic in general. It seemed like people were optimistic, but I'm not sure how much of that optimism is on the trailing end of resignation. where it felt like in maybe last year and the year before, there was more a sense of, so are we really going to do this? And now it's like, so we're doing this. And now what? You know, how are we going to protect it? And I guess for a lot of people, it's how are we going to make a lot of money protecting it? So it was good. But it's a long trip from the East Coast all the way out to San Francisco.

54:46Jason DeFillippo:So that's probably the hardest part. I try to stay on East Coast time while I'm out there because I have a few. I still have to publish the Cyber Wire every day. So I get up early and get that out of the way and then do my RSA stuff. But it leads to some strange things like we were at a restaurant one night for dinner. And I looked at my watch and I said, I'm eating a steak and my body thinks it's midnight. This is not good. This is not good. All the things you could do in your youth that you can't do anymore. Right, exactly. And so I was really deliberate about limiting what I did this year. I didn't go to any events that I wasn't obligated to go to.

55:30Brian Schulmeister:Like a true old man. It's great. Yeah, exactly, which was great.

55:36Jason DeFillippo:so um i think i i on one day i did nine interviews which i think is a new record for me uh so that was a busy day um but it was nice you know just get to see people you don't it's funny how many people from the east coast i only see at rsa conference right so it was overall a good week and of course I made friends with Hugh Jackman as one does at RSA that's right because who knows better about cyber security than Wolverine oh snickety snick

56:15Brian Schulmeister:picture of you two is classic yeah

56:17Jason DeFillippo:it's very nice and he was very nice he was very gracious I did a little music man with him and he played along he was a good sport so I had a nice a nice moment a nice celebrity moment with Hugh Jackman

56:35Brian Schulmeister:how cool is that?

56:37Jason DeFillippo:yeah it was very cool very gratifying and then the other great thing that I got to do we had several hours to kill so as I had mentioned last time we were together took a trip out to the Lucasfilm headquarters out at the Presidio and visited the Skywalker Ranch General Store. So I put a bunch of photos in the show notes from that little trip. Got to see the Yoda Fountain. The Lucasfilm lobby you can go inside of, and they have a bunch of life-size models of some Star Wars characters. There's Darth Vader and K2SO. So that was fun to see. Yeah, and lots of memorabilia. But then the store itself was a lot of fun.

57:26Jason DeFillippo:It's not big, but they have a lot of stuff. And the highlight is there's a bunch of Skywalker Ranch merch that you can only get there. Right. So I loaded up on that. How much money did you spend? I spent about 150 bucks. That's not bad. It's not bad. No, but, you know, T-shirts and sweatshirts and things like baseball caps for me and my sons. They also have a winery that they sell the wine from there. I only drink the dark side. There you go. Right, right. There you go.

58:04Brian Schulmeister:Nice looking lightsabers in this case they got here. This had to be expensive.

58:09Jason DeFillippo:Yes, yes. Several hundred dollars. But I think my favorite thing I saw, I put a photo in here, was the Life Day pop-up book in Advent Calendar. I saw that. All the Wookiees in their little Life Day robes. they've decided to embrace it rather than pretend that that special never existed exactly yeah uh i'd never been to the presidio i don't know if you all have been out there but boy was it nice it's really nice it's a walk there on the weekend is that right yeah yeah uh what what i noted most was we me and a couple of my co-workers uh took an uber out there and got out of the car and just the air felt different.

58:53Jason DeFillippo:It was so lush and I don't know, there was something about it that was way different than downtown.

59:00Brian Schulmeister:Which is crazy because it's only like two miles away. Exactly. You're right at the corner there of the Golden Gate. So you get the ocean breeze coming through. Yeah. It's nice. It's nice.

59:11Jason DeFillippo:It's really beautiful and beautifully well maintained and taken care of and all that good stuff. So we did, we walked around a little bit. But it was worth the trip. I was glad to have done it. It's definitely something I could check off of my list. And I'm glad it worked out.

59:28Brian Schulmeister:I'm surprised you didn't get one of the little Grogu's. They look so cute.

59:31Jason DeFillippo:They do. No, you know what? I have plenty of Grogu merch. I actually, Grogu tops our Christmas tree every year.

59:40Brian Schulmeister:Ah.

59:42Jason DeFillippo:You're good.

59:43Brian Schulmeister:Yeah, you're topped up.

59:44Jason DeFillippo:Yeah, yeah. In fact, this was over COVID. my wife got us all matching plaid jammies all of us uh and but she got us a pair for grogu as well so uh it's because she i guess you could get infant jammies in the same jammies she got all of us so now every year grogu sits on top of our christmas tree in his little plaid jammies

1:00:09Brian Schulmeister:and he's very cute so very good very good so i got a little follow-up from uh i don't know if This was, it was obviously it wasn't last week you weren't here, but you talked about the current reader. Yes. A possible new RSS reader. And I gave it a shot. Yeah. Because I like nice, cool, calm things. I think it's really well done. Really? I enjoy using it. Yeah. The only thing that I think, I'm going to put in a feature request for this. When you swipe an article to release it from the current, it's just gone. It's very jarring. It just needs a fade because it's supposed to be smooth. It needs a fade out and a transition up.

1:00:48Brian Schulmeister:But beyond that, I think it's a great little RSS reader. And the nice thing is you can favorite things so you can come back to it later. Like on Reader, I use Read Later and I can use that from any app. But if I'm in Current, I can just start and favorite or whatever and put it aside. I don't feel like I miss anything because you can actually do some special routing for different people that you follow to make sure you see everything from different feeds. But the main news point, everything is so duplicated nowadays anyway, you don't really miss anything. So I'm finding it a much calmer way to read my news.

1:01:22Brian Schulmeister:So I wanted to thank you for that. It's a nice little app. Yeah, I've got it on all my devices and it's all synced up.

1:01:27Jason DeFillippo:And so how are you sourcing it with the RSS feeds you want to follow?

1:01:33Brian Schulmeister:Like how do you choose that? OPML. I pulled my OPML from my regular because I use Reader 4. Okay. I use Reader 4. because the new version of Reader sucks. The one that they redesigned. Reader 5. I use Reader 5. And you can just export your OPML, and I just brought it in and cleaned it up a bit, because there's some, I think I had 110 feeds that I follow, and like 40 of them were dead. So I cleaned that up and brought it in. And the color scheme is nice. It's calming. It's light blue. It's pretty. So, yeah, I have to dig deeper.

1:02:08Jason DeFillippo:I use Feedly pretty much every day to keep up. That's how I organize all of my cybersecurity sources when I have to put together the CyberWire every day. So I have different categories and tiers within Feedly. Yeah. So that's what I've been using. But that's very sort of more of industrial and utilitarian rather than a personal type of thing. So, yeah.

1:02:35Brian Schulmeister:And that's exactly how I use Feedly that is then read by a reader. So I have a Feedly account where everything is organized and stored and then I bring it into Reader and I use that because that way, because the read later stuff in Feedly is fantastic. The read later share thing in reader is great because it comes with a share sheet that you can basically share from anywhere. So you can be on any website on any device and just hit read later and it copies that URL into the read later. Kind of like, you know, a pin board type of thing or something like that. So it makes it makes it really easy.

1:03:08Brian Schulmeister:But yeah, I just so far I'm just I'm liking this one because it's some of the cruft just goes away. It's nice that way. So, yeah. Until I get the Grumpinator finally finished. Once the Grumpinator is finished, it'll be good. It'll be a less calm environment. Yeah. Because the Grumpinator right now, I'm having some problems having it dismiss product recommendations or ads or things like that. I'm like, I don't care if, you know, anything that says Android, if Android is in the text of the title or the body, I don't care. I don't want to see it. So, for some reason, it just won't listen to me.

1:03:46Jason DeFillippo:So instead of fading away, do you set it so things burst into flames?

1:03:51Brian Schulmeister:It should. It should. I'm going to add that as a feature.

1:03:55Jason DeFillippo:That's for V2. Die in a fire.

1:03:58Brian Schulmeister:Once my tokens reset, I'll get clawed on that right away.

1:04:02Jason DeFillippo:I also have a bit of follow-up. Jason and I talked about this when the Harry Potter trailer for the new HBO Max series came out. But you're the one that kind of clued us into this and talked about this in the first place. So I thought I'd bring it up again here. Having watched it, there was something that bothered me about it, and I didn't process it right away. And a little bit later on, I figured it out, and it's the color grading. And it's because it's Harry Potter, and the original Harry Potters, at least the first few before the story started to get dark, were bright, joyous things. And the trailer for the new, you know, first year Harry Potter, where it's all exciting and magical and they're all figuring everything out and there are colors for their houses and everything explodes with color and is vibrant and magic and magic and magic.

1:04:49Jason DeFillippo:Everything is so washed out and gray and muted and it looks fucking horrible and it was bothering me and I couldn't figure out why. And then I remember the conversation that we had had in this segment with you and they've done it to Harry Potter. They're ruining everything with this color grading. Yeah, it's hard to get around. And the place I notice it the most where it's most overt and in your face are pharmaceutical ads because the product will have a pair of colors that are the branded colors for whatever you're supposed to ask your doctor about. And so those two colors just flow through everything in the ad.

1:05:33Jason DeFillippo:Every wall, every shirt, every flower, everything is one of the two colors that are part of the ad. And there's something, I guess it's an uncanny valley kind of thing where, for me anyway, I look at it and I go, light doesn't work that way. you know like why is the yeah the light that's lighting those faces could not be lighting everything else because it doesn't connect and yeah it's disconcerting the other thing about

1:06:03Brian Schulmeister:pharmaceutical ads that i used to love is you could always tell it was a pharmaceutical ad because the first part would be in black and white and then once they got their drug the world

1:06:10Jason DeFillippo:would bloom into color right it's like oh i was able to take a shit everything's great now Oh, yeah. The other thing I love is how they talk about ailments in a way that no one would talk about ailments. Like I was talking to my friend about my moderate to severe osteoporosis. I said, oh, Bob, do you know I have moderate to severe osteoporosis? No, nobody talks that way. It's funny because one of the definite pluses of being in Canada now, Now, I still see a lot of this stuff because I have my trusty VPN and still have a lot of U.S. TV sources. But those kind of ads are not allowed here. There are no ads for pharmaceuticals in any media in Canada.

1:06:55Jason DeFillippo:It's not allowed. It's against the law. And it is wonderful. The U.S. is one of two countries that allows ads for pharmaceuticals.

1:07:05Brian Schulmeister:Is North Korea the other one?

1:07:07Jason DeFillippo:No, but it's like it is a third world country. It's I forget which I can't pull it off the top of my head right now, but it is not a country that is in good shape or is known for its regulation. So. Oh, so the U.S. Yeah.

1:07:24Brian Schulmeister:And the U.S. The U.S. and the U.S. It's both of us.

1:07:27Jason DeFillippo:No, I think it's one of the biggest mistakes we ever made. And I wish we could go back on it because I feel like particularly for local affiliates here in the U.S., they're captured by these ads because it's the only every ad break has pharmaceutical ads. Yeah, it used to just be during like 60 minutes and old people programming, but it's everything now. Right, right. And part of that is that the only people watching local affiliates anymore are old people. But yeah, it's out of control and I wish they could rein it back in, but I don't think they're going to. Nope. Too much money. Yeah, yeah.

1:08:09Jason DeFillippo:I did see an interesting story that I thought I'd share.

1:08:11Brian Schulmeister:Oh, there's New Zealand, by the way, is the one that you were thinking of, surprisingly.

1:08:15Jason DeFillippo:Oh, our Kiwi listeners are going to be pissed you called him a third world shittle. No, that wasn't what I was thinking of. It was like, no, it wasn't. It wasn't New Zealand. It was another country that was like in civil war or something. So, no, believe me, I would not call the New Zealanders that because they'd come and kick my butt.

1:08:35Brian Schulmeister:They can. They can for sure. It's a long flight. Not sure if it's worth it.

1:08:39Jason DeFillippo:Right. I saw this interesting article since I know at least Jason anyway has been a drone enthusiast as I have been over the years. We've got a journalist who's suing the FAA over drone no-fly zones. Basically, the FAA extended no-fly zones for drones over anywhere that ICE is, including their vehicles. and it's 3 ,000 feet, which is what, you know, over a half mile. But as the journalist points out in this lawsuit, how do you know where ICE is? There's no way to know.

1:09:18Brian Schulmeister:Because all the apps have been banned that tell us where ICE is, so we can't even look that up to find them. They don't have badges.

1:09:24Jason DeFillippo:They don't identify themselves. There's nothing on their vehicles. How are we supposed to know? They're in unmarked vehicles with fake license plates. So it's basically been a chilling effect on journalists' ability to use the drones. And so tip of the hat to this guy who's suing and we'll see if he has any luck. But it's just another brick in the wall. It's another chip. It's another chip.

1:09:52Brian Schulmeister:It's another turd in the pot. Yeah.

1:09:53Jason DeFillippo:It's just another degradation of journalism and First Amendment rights. Yeah. At the hands of ICE and surveillance and all that good stuff. So I hope we see some progress here. But, you know, I'm not holding out hope, I guess. Yeah.

1:10:14Brian Schulmeister:We had the Thin Black Line episode last week and we said, don't get your hopes up. It's not going to last. So let's go back to the drudgery of the normal world, I guess.

1:10:24Jason DeFillippo:Yeah. And then sort of on the tail of the RSA conference, one of my colleagues shared this video from a gentleman named Nicholas Carlini, who works at Anthropic. He's a researcher at Anthropic, has a background in cybersecurity and finding bugs and things like that. And about a week ago, he gave a talk at an AI conference and basically sent up the red flag and said, even in the past few months, these tools have gotten way more powerful than they were. They're unbelievably good at finding bugs now. he said he's been able to find more bugs in the Linux kernel the Linux kernel than he can process and report to the maintainers because he doesn't have time to go through and verify them all.

1:11:24Jason DeFillippo:That's why you use an agent. You just set your AI agent to go report them all. Right. Well, that's what he said. He said he doesn't want to hit the maintainers with slop without verifying the bugs himself. But he has verified some. One of them, the one he uses in the presentation goes back to 2003. So he kind of joked that he said, this bug is older than many of the people in this room.

1:11:53Jason DeFillippo:So it's an interesting presentation. If you're into the AI stuff, if you're into cybersecurity, If you're a developer, I highly suggest you watch it because it is a call to action. He's saying we need to do something about this. We need to help now, not months from now, not a year from now, now. So it's a little disconcerting in addition. Well, these companies have a great track record of listening to these sorts of things and responding immediately to it. So I'm sure this will be taken care of. No problem. Lickety split. Right, right. Right. Yeah. It was probably also his last day at Anthropic after he gave this presentation.

1:12:34Brian Schulmeister:That's the thing I was going to say. He was busy at this at this unprompted conference, which is a great name for an AI conference. Unprompted. Love it. Yeah. But he was while he was there bitching about security. That's when the cloud code probably got leaked. So, you know, he was absentee landlord at his job there.

1:12:50Jason DeFillippo:Right.

1:12:51Brian Schulmeister:But I can't wait to watch this. This is going to be great.

1:12:53Jason DeFillippo:it is good but again a little disconcerting and uh what's also interesting to me is that this was not the message i was hearing at rsa right oh of course not yeah yeah no no it was a lot more rah rah rah yeah uh which i guess you should expect but usually you'll get a sub sub tech like an undertone of of concern and that was uh lacking not it was definitely lacking this year I don't know if just everybody's drinking the Kool-Aid or the people who still have jobs are really happy to still have jobs. Yeah. 100%. There's a lot of that. Right. So don't rock the boat. I don't know. Yeah.

1:13:35Brian Schulmeister:And fixing bugs doesn't make money. Fixing bugs costs money. So they're not going to highlight what's going to cost us more money that this thing's bringing down the line.

1:13:43Jason DeFillippo:Right.

1:13:43Brian Schulmeister:So.

1:13:44Jason DeFillippo:Right. Yeah. Who needs a good product? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The other I guess the the hopeful point that this person makes in his presentation is that he believes that ultimately the defenders are going to win. But he used the analogy that overall, the Industrial Revolution was a good thing for humanity and for the world. But living through the Industrial Revolution was not good for a lot of people. Yeah. And he feels as though that's where we are right now. we're living through this AI revolution. And so for a lot of people, it's not going to be good. And we all need to step up. Those of us who can need to step up and try to put guardrails on things.

1:14:31Brian Schulmeister:So on that note. Yeah. On that note.

1:14:35Jason DeFillippo:It's great to have you back, Dave. No, it's good to be back. Thanks, guys. And I'll see you next week.

1:14:40Brian Schulmeister:See you next week.

1:14:41Jason DeFillippo:All right. Take care.

1:14:44Brian Schulmeister:Closing shout outs. Over at Patreon, we've got no new patrons. Sad Christmas. Please come join us. But we would like to thank Verbal Diary, Leslie, Matt, Jean-Philippe, Arthur, Brian, Kale, Gabriel, Zere, and Igor. Thank you all so very much for being patrons.

1:15:01Jason DeFillippo:Thank you. And over at PayPal, we've got donations from Nicola, Judge, Livy, Jonathan with 20 bucks, and Thomas with 25 bucks. Thank you all so much. Woo, doggy.

1:15:10Brian Schulmeister:Thank you all so much. And over at the tip jar, we've got Sarah, Adam, and Matthew. Oh, and we've also got Joshua. Thank you, Joshua. Just came in the door. So if you would like to help keep the show on the air and support us, we don't have that Tech Bro Podcast Network money. This is all just fan-supported, and it looks like it, as you can tell. But go to GOG.show slash donate to find all the different ways you can donate, or you can go to Patreon.com slash GOG, And for as little as$3 a month or more, if you want to give more, you get the show early, ad-free, and in high definition. So keep the show on the air.

1:15:47Brian Schulmeister:Pretty pleased with sugar on top. No merch, no reviews. Goddamn, Brian, slow week. Until next time, I'm Brian Schulmeister. And I'm Jason DeFilippo. Thanks for listening to Grumpy Old Geeks. Get all the links and goodies from today's episode at GOG.show slash 740. Want to keep the grumpiness alive? Toss a few bucks our way at GOG. I couldn't even say our name. GOG.show slash donate. Every penny helps keep the show on the air. And if you love the show, share it. There's a share button in your podcast player. Use it to spread the grumpiness to friends, foes, and everyone in between, and we'll love you for it.

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1:16:38Thank you.