Episode 373: Blokes & Joi Wellness: Biomarker Testing, At-Home Hormone Optimization, and Proactive Health Management.

26:39Yeah. Because there's just not enough information out there and there are experts in the space who are very well credentialed and who know a lot and who treat people. and they're saying different things. And they're saying things that are confusing and scaring women. And so one thing that I would like to see changed is how we approach this. Like you've mentioned several times that you're scared of the testosterone. And fear is just a lack of information. So really what we need to do is educate women in a way that's not scary, in a way that's not confusing. And we need to realize that there's not just one way to do things because this is like my main point that I hear all the time is all these conflicting statements from people.

27:24Like one example I'll give you is, you know, no one should do hormone pellets, pellet therapy. Yeah. I think I'm the one who was actually, I said, yeah, I've heard a lot of like a lot of most people I know, I've had a few friends who are on them and they really like them. It's worked for them. Majority of people I know don't like them because they over testosterone you. They give you too much. So if you do have too much, there's no way to back it out. It's stuck in your body for what, three months or four months? Yeah. Exactly. So you can't control the amount. And then people then have way too much in them.

28:00That's the problem. And I totally agree with that statement. We don't do pellets and we don't recommend them. And if someone comes to me and says, like, what should I do? I would say, here are all your options. And I'd say the pros and cons of each. But what I don't like is that we're scaring women and saying, you can never do this. Because the thing is, it does work for some women. I have, you know, I have a really good friend that I work with. And she will tell you that it saved her life. Yeah. I have a really great friend also who's like, thinks it's the best thing that's ever happened to her.

28:32So I don't like that we're shaming those women or we're scaring women into going like, if I do this, then what's going to happen? I think women are smart. We're smart consumers. I think we should know what all the options are and then you choose what's right for you. And again, I wouldn't recommend pellets, but I also think the way we're shaming and scaring women is honestly just scaring them away from getting help and treatment. True. But I will say there's a lot of people who are just money grabbing and a pellet is, let's say, 600 bucks. 700 bucks. And it's a very easy thing you can churn out.

29:09Like I know doctors who are like a functional medicine doctor and they're like churning and burning. They're come in here, I'll give you a pellet. Next up, it's like a cattle call. And he's putting in like 50 of these things in a day without giving people options. Or a lot of times like people, you've got to say to the, like me or consumer, like if I don't know any better and some, and my doctor is telling me to go get or do a pellet. And I don't know that there's a different option, such as a cream or the, what do you call it? Or the injection. Injection. And he's only telling me about a pellet and then I do it and it's way too much testosterone.

29:42Then I'm going to be like really sick and unhappy, right? Yes. Okay. I am so glad you brought this up. Right. Because this is my other point of what I think we're scaring women on. I've heard that a lot. Pellets are expensive and it's just a money grab. And I'm not arguing. I don't know. I'm sure they do make a lot of money on that. They are trained, like the pellet makers literally came out and said, we're going to train these people to do this. And you know, this is the retail price and this is what they make. So yes, they are making money on that. But I still think that's like a fricking scare tactic to say, don't do this because they're just making money on it.

30:16Here's my, here's my real hot take on this. If I can just get on my soapbox. Yeah, go ahead. Everybody is making money. Yeah. If you're a doctor selling supplements, you're going to make money. If you're a doctor seeing patients, you're going to make money. If you're a hospital, a clinic, you need to make money. We need to make money to pay the bills and keep the lights on. If you're a speaker or an influencer, you need to make money. So I feel like level the playing field on who's making money because we all need to. True. But the thing is, I guess my issue is when people come in without any information and they have no knowledge and someone says to you, this is the only way to do it.

31:01Yes. That's a problem. That is a huge problem. That's what I'm saying. We need to educate women to say there's a lot of options. Right. Here's one option. Here's two options. Here's three. And I think if someone's a beginner, I think it's very irresponsible to go from zero to 60 and put somebody on a pellet. Yeah. If they've never done it before and they're like nervous nervous and scared, then you're going to shoot them up with 300 whatever cc's, whatever they're measured in. Maybe go slow and see how they react and respond. To me, there's a lot of quacks out there. That's why you got to be very discerning of who you're getting your information from.

31:39Well, the pellet people are probably just, those are people that are only trained in pellets, right? I think the issue you're talking about is an access issue because I think the pellet people were trained early on from the pellet makers to do this. No, I'm not. I mean, really. And so it's, this is like one of our first options to get testosterone as women. And so a lot of people have done that. So it's really more about access. And, but now that we're having, we have more options. We're one of them. And there are a handful of other really great telehealth companies that are providing other options for people.

32:13You know, one thing I was going to say is OBGYNs or or gynecologists or whatever, they are prescribing creams though for people. But you have to be proactive. Like I said to my doctor, I have low testosterone. She wasn't going to do anything. And she's like, okay, I'll give you a cream. Now the truth is those creams, I'm going to be honest, they're like you might as well put Nivea cream on. It's like the same thing. They're very like benign. They're not really going to do anything. You're not going to like jack up your lean muscle mass and like get brain acuteness from the cream. it's like a very entry level thing that would be a beginner move right yeah and it depends on how you absorb it it could be great for some women it could be great i'm just saying like why do doctors then put you on cream but they won't prescribe an injection that they will not do to women it's not true because that's not how we operate not you i'm saying like like i'm saying if i went to my ob-gyn well i i just think it's a lack of education i mean this has become such a niche and specialized field.

33:13It would be like me going to a urologist for my knee issue when I should be going to see an orthopedic person. I think there has to be a little bit of ownership in the patient's hand too. Like one of the things that we say all the time is you have to own your journey. We're going to help you. We're going to guide you. We're going to make sure it's safe, but you still got to do the other work. You still got to eat well. You still got to prioritize sleep, prioritize your stress. Like you've got to do the right things. The same thing happens when you're embarking on this journey to optimize your hormones.

33:46You maybe shouldn't just go to the one doctor. You should maybe go to two or three and do some research on your own and know that there's some other options. I've been in this business a long time. We were talking about these pellet people. Some of these doctors might believe that is the best option for their patients. And that's why they're only offering it. We like to put the consumer in the driver's seat because we know when we do that, we're going to have better outcomes. We're going to have better results because they're owning that journey and we're going to nudge them and help them and guide them down that pathway.

34:16To me, the injection way is a better way of controlling whatever you're putting yourself. Like it's because you've got to take these injections. How often are you taking it? Like does a testosterone like twice a week? We usually split those. So we do it twice a week. Yeah. And then you, I would imagine joy, like you created this because of all the women health, like all the women's health issues that are become important to you, you want to do the same thing that Josh did on the bloke side, but for women, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't paying attention when Josh started blokes. I was trying to just have babies.

34:50I was like, all right. So that's, I mean, that's why we are two, basically right now we're two different brands is because he started blokes first. And then, and then later on, I went through, you know, a really tough five, six years of, of trying to have a family. Looking back now, I'm like, oh my God, I was so naive as to how that process was going to go. It was just much harder on me than I knew it could be. Wow. In what ways would you say? We had a bunch of miscarriages. Our first baby was so traumatic for us both because she had just a genetic fatal defect. So we were kind of forced with this horrible situation I never thought I would be in where it's like, your baby's not going to make it.

35:29Makes me cry just to think about it. So we were basically forced to end it early. And that was one of the hardest things I've ever done. Oh, wow. Sorry. Oh, my God. That's horrible. And we had experienced that. Not the trisomy, but we had experienced that three more times. There was three more miscarriages after that. There was three more miscarriages. But I will tell you. I'm so sorry for you. Thank you. Yeah. I've never seen her in probably anything more dedicated to one thing. And that time period, it was just about having babies. Yeah. Like our life was literally consumed by it. And I think to some extent, because of that trauma, it was just physically and mentally really hard on our relationship, obviously us individually.

36:18And she was diving in and I was diving out. and physically we were both going through these crazy hormonal changes physical changes and it was just a gnarly experience yeah and and i can tell you from an outsider looking at her she just got done breastfeeding our son rowdy and great name was like holy shit for me there was a little bit of vindication because she didn't have a sex drive at that point yeah i was like yo i told you like it wasn't just me i didn't think you were unattractive like yeah and she was like like, oh, this is how it feels. No, I get it. I'm good. I don't need it now. So, you know, by the way, before you started taking your testosterone, like, what was your level?

37:02So I basically, after all of that, I was in my early 40s when I had my second child and I felt horrible, looked horrible. I had no energy to take care of them. And that's when I was like, well, what do I do now? Because I also felt very abandoned. If you look at how many appointments and how much help I had to get pregnant, to stay pregnant, to have my babies. Yeah, wow. And then after that, it was like, you're good. Have a nice life. And I was like, I'm actually not good. And where do I get help? So I went through the men's side. I went through the program. I did this huge deep dive lab. I started looking at my thyroid, doing my hormones.

37:43And testosterone was one of the first therapies I got on. And it just helped start getting me motivated, start going, working out in the gym I felt like I was getting stronger and that was exciting it's a good push in it it's like it's good kick in the butt to get something started yeah brain fog too by the way because I knew there was one time when I was like there's no way I could go back to work just how with how my brain felt after kids and going through all that I was like I can't do a simple math equation so it helped lift that brain fog for me which was fantastic by the way girl wait because even though like it's going to happen again like I was saying you know I think also So like as the kids get older, your brain fog doesn't get any better actually.

38:23Trust me. I can't do a math equation for my – I cannot do third grade math to save my life, honestly. And my brain fog is just – All right. Well, why don't we get you on a little bit of testosterone? I have to just bite the bullet with the testosterone because I know that it could be a real game changer with the hormones. It could be. It very well could be. And let me tell you this. If you don't like it, then you can say it's not for me and get off it. Well, that's why the injections I feel are very important. By the way, I urge everybody here, and I talk about this, funnily enough, I was posting about this today, completely coincidentally that you guys were coming on, but I think it's so important for people to get their blood panel checked regularly because your hormone levels, everything changes all the time and people don't know what they don't know.

39:14So people should be getting that what? What do you think? Like every four to six months, people should get this stuff checked? I think if you're not on treatments, it should be no less than twice a year. And it should be more complete panels, not just the onesies and twosies that we see so much at a primary care internal med doc. Talk about that. What's to tell people? Because I think people don't know what they don't know. I mean, I have a little bit of insider knowledge because I've been in the lab space for a long time as well. And there's something called reactive-based testing. And what happens is you come in, you have a symptom, the doctor goes, I'm going to test you for these two markers.

39:48And then you come back, you see the doctor, and then they go, you know what, it's off. We're going to test you for this marker. So you're never getting that whole picture. One thing that we believe in is if we're going to treat and if we're going to diagnose, it's kind of this test don't guess mentality. So even our most baseline panels still coming equipped with 40 biomarkers. So we can make a really good deep dive into your health by looking at a ton of different biomarkers, asking the right questions. And that just puts you on a warpath to just get healthier. Right. So what do you get with 80?

40:22What are you checking for with a panel with 80 biomarkers versus 40 biomarkers? It's just more depth. But, you know, for our 40 biomarker, we're still doing, you know, call it light hormones. Okay. No major inflammatory markers, no stress markers. we're getting your cbcs we're getting your meta your complete metabolic panel but as you go we're adding thyroid we're adding inflammation full thyroid we're adding inflammatory markers like c-reactive protein cortisol we're adding apob important heart markers to really then deep dive and i say you're starting to get into that more longevity space you're starting to get way ahead of reacting you're getting in a very proactive state when you start adding more markers So talk about more than, okay, so obviously we kind of covered hormones and being on top of your health in that way, right?

41:14Like getting them checked, seeing where you're low, if you're deficient, how you could supplement for them. What else can people be looking for for optimizing their health and their longevity besides just hormones? So I know you have, with Joy, do you guys have the same, like what's similar, what's different? in some pretty similar panels yeah there's a few markers here or there for between sexes but they're very on the women's side what's what's added or or subtracted uh because i mean we're all in this 80 biomarkers we've probably all checked in the same stuff correct yeah i mean the prostate for yeah there's a psa that's that's really it i mean well that's a big one though isn't it yeah no totally and and and you know they're they're what i will tell you is very similar approach this is this is a human thing.

42:04This isn't a male female thing. I was going to say this is a, yeah. And the reality is we just analyze markers differently depending on the male or the female. Right. And some have more of an emphasis like testosterone levels for a female is going to be completely different than an optimal range for a man. Right. The same with progesterone, the same with estrogen, you know, but there's some universal markers that you just want to be in a healthy range, you know, like A1C and C-reactive protein and it's an art and it's a science. So, okay, let's say, so walk me through this. So people get their 80 biomarkers checked, and then the nurse goes home.

42:38Then you guys put together a very preventative, proactive plan for the person. What else is there besides like testosterone, peptides? What else is provided as options? Supplements, like what kind of supplement, like how else are you guys optimizing people's health you want me to go yeah one of the one of the things that was important oh by the way that besides the estrogen cream we're going to get to that face cream in a second yeah it's a real treat for you ladies and men i think one of the things that was very important from for us as a company was to create an ecosystem for everyone i think that labs are the foundation to creating a healthier your life.

43:24It's just such a great deep dive into your health at what's going on at that time. And outside of the hormones, outside of the peptides, outside of the GLP-1 agonists, we've developed this algorithm called smart supplements, where we're taking your biomarkers, and you'll see this as you evolve in our process, but we're going to address your supplements through your deficiencies. We're going to give you a supplement pack that's solely designed for your nutrition nutrition and biomarker deficiencies that are going to be very precise and how they're actually addressing your, your, your issues. Beautiful thing about it comes in a nice pack, has your name on it.

44:01So it's extremely personalized. So I like to, you know, I've always had a love hate relationship with the supplement space just because it's always been the wild, wild West coming from medical. And this was our way of saying, you know what, if we're going to treat you, we're going to treat you with precision when it comes to supplementation. So what kind of supplements are the options? Like what are the things that you've noticed now that people are usually very deficient in? Probably the most common is vitamin D. Vitamin D. Still vitamin D. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. I don't think we're getting the sun that we used to.

44:34Vitamin D is a huge one. Is it because people are wearing sunscreen as well? Sunscreen, sunglasses, covering up. I think so, yeah. We're inside always. Yeah. And there's things that lower it, you know, like there's women are on birth control pill for decades and there's medications, antibiotics and all that kind of stuff can lower your vitamin and some minerals. Staring at your phone constantly has, you know, there's all kinds of, you know, things that kind of mess with our natural, you know, production of vitamin D and all that, you know, all the vitamins. Yeah, I think, you know, and then there's a whole slew, but that's the one that we found some research that says like 40 % of Americans.

45:13What we see coming in our clinic is probably closer to 90 % of people are deficient. I'm deficient. I'm getting on a prescription version of vitamin D. Really? Yeah. I had a clinical consult before I came here, and they're like, dude, this is just, it's ongoing. Like, you got to treat it. And I've been treating it with supplements, but now I'm going to get on a prescription version of it that's a little stronger. And it's a once a week capsule versus daily. And hopefully it improves. Really? Yeah. So can you guys give that type of prescription? Wow. Sure. Give me some other supplements that you – what do you think of this idea of – what do you call it?

45:50When supplements are – there's a specific word for it. Methylated? Methylated. Yeah, methylated supplements. Do you know what this is? Yeah. I mean, I think there's something like 40 % of people have that MTFHR gene mutation. So it's harder for them to metabolize some of those supplements. So if you give them the methylated version, then it's better for them to be able to actually use it. It's really B12. That is the primary focus on that one. It's B12. Yeah. And then how do you know if someone needs methylated? Got to get a test for it. Yeah. Do you guys test for that too? There's a genetic test for it.

46:26Yeah, genetic testing. Correct. Yeah. I mean, we have not brought out genetic testing. We've been slow on it. It's a crowded space. I think it's a great way to look under the hood. And I've done genetic testing on myself, and I think there's merit to it. But to truly optimize, I think you really need to focus on your blood work. Yeah. What else would you say or other things that like, are you, because that, that estrogen cream, I'm, I'm serious. Like it does like change the texture of your, like your face looks amazing. I know you have great genetics, but can you tell people about this cream? Because I'm telling you, I want this cream.

47:01I'm not being paid to say this guys. I swear. I am going to send you this cream because I honestly really do believe in it. We've come out with this. It has a couple of different like power ingredients. One is GHK copper peptide, and that's very regenerative for your cellular turnover. People use it actually on like scars and stretch marks. It's that healing. And then it also contains estrogen, and it's estriol is the form of estrogen that it contains because we know estrogen really helps with our collagen production. A crazy stat is that women lose something like, I said, 30 % of their skin firmness in the first five years of menopause because of that loss of estrogen.

47:45Yeah. So it contains those two things and then a couple other little vitamins in there. And there was one month where I had three random people, not, you know, of different patients and friends text me and say that it's like, it's time for my Botox and I don't need it. Like it's extended my time in between. So I love it. I, that's the only thing that I really use and will always use it. And I'm going to send it to you. No, it's amazing. So, okay. So then besides, so you supplement, so vitamin D, what was the, okay, you said, how about omega threes? How about like all the basics? Besides the basics though, what else can you supplement that people could be deficient in?

48:25I mean, so the, the formulary that is coming from the smart supplements is somewhere around 45 different supplements and there's the basics and then you can get ashwagandha, tangata lead, DHEA, all kinds of different things. Yeah. And, and, and really the beauty is we're not driving the ship. Like we have a software that helps us drive it. And then we look at the biomarkers and we say, Oh, your DHE is low. Well, that's what we should be supplementing with. The reality is people are coming with more than we can even put in that pill pack. So you just start with the most important. But it's really interesting because I told you I had a love-hate relationship, but supplementation, we have seen firsthand changes of people who are not ready to get in the hormones, not ready to get in the peptides.

49:12We have an influencer who works with us. His name is Cold Plunge Cam, and he's been very honest and open. What's his name? His IG name is Cold name. Yeah. What's his name? No, what's his name? Cold Plunge Cam. Cold Plunge Cam. Yeah. Is that the same one you saw? Okay. Yeah. Okay. I think I saw it today actually. So it's remarkable. So I tell this because he, he's, he was like the awakening for me with this because he's like, I'm not ready for that. I'm still in my thirties, but I am going through some really, really gnarly mental health issues. And he's been dealing with this for his whole life, honestly.

49:47And, and, and I think there was a lot of issues as a child in terms of his diagnosis that he's realizing, and he's trying to address it naturally, and he's trying to get off of SSRI. So I got a text from him on, I think, Sunday. He just randomly said, hey, dude, thank you. Thank you for encouraging me to get blood work. Thank you for encouraging me to address this with supplementation. And he's now officially off all his medications. Really? Just by supplementing? that and obviously cold plunging and and and you know lifestyle adjustments but he's worked very hard you can follow his journey um because he obviously advises like no one to just get off him no it's been a journey it's a huge journey he works very hard at it but it's the first time you know his words and i'll kind of paraphrase it but he was in the driver's seat he was pushing back on his doctors and saying no no i want to go this route it's time yeah and i have help i'm looking at my biomarkers differently.

50:43It was funny. He, um, he went to his parents and he's like, Oh my God, my DHEA is so bad. And you can address that easily through supplementation. And he went to his parents and his parents like, yeah, we've always had low DHEA. And he's like, uh, hello. Like I've been struggling with mental health issues my whole life. And you haven't told me like some of the things that genetically could improve just by supplementation. So the power of that is powerful. Like it's it precise supplementation is extremely powerful. Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. Because I guess, again, I keep on saying this, but people just don't know what they don't know.

51:20And if they haven't been taught to take these things more seriously, they just think it's not that important, right? And so I think that the idea of being preventative is so important for people that and also, like you said earlier, be your own boss. Take initiative. Don't just rely on what someone tells you. You have to be your own advocate, especially in America. The healthcare system here is very broken, very broken. And a lot of people are very sick and are unable to have proper care. It just is what it is. It's tough. It's so complicated. And also, it's so complicated. Really, our system is set up.

52:02There's a lot of good about the system and it's set up. Where? Because honestly, I don't know where. And I love that you're saying that. I think it's a known thing, isn't it? It is a known thing. I'll tell you, well, I saw a Harris study recently that said 70 % of Americans think the healthcare system has failed them. So it's a very real thing. But what they're good at is emergency medicine. You got a broken bone. You need a surgery. Urgent care. You have a diagnosis. You want treatment. So it's something has happened. You want them there. You just said it right there. If something has happened already.

52:35But not if something has not happened and you want to be on top of your ship. That's the problem. And that's what we're trying to fix. We're trying to be before that something happens. And I also think it's, you know, obviously it's not just us. There's a huge, you know, new boom of like the at-home things and the customers that are giving you data. Like all that data tells you something and gives you options of what to do. Like now you're informed. The next step is you take care of it. Well, you need to have – I mean you have to be – you have to like take initiative and execute on it. Like one thing is knowledge.

53:09But then if you have knowledge and don't do anything about it, what good is it for you, right? That's the bottom line. You have to do something with that knowledge. There's a lot of people who are aware and they don't want to take that initiative. Right. And I think just taking the first step in this journey can be pretty powerful. And especially, I think one of the things that people are misinterpreting and are not understanding about, you know, the GOP one category, Ozympic, Majora, is for the first time, these people are all of a sudden getting a little bit of confidence and pepping their stuff about their diet and about their lifestyle and about having, like I told you, that food freedom that they haven't had in years.

53:50I mean, if you've been obese for 10 years or more or even a year, that's been a chronic condition that has been ingrained in your lifestyle. That is hard. And if all of a sudden you got this little cheat code, doesn't mean it's going to get you all the way there. You still got to play the game. But if you got that little cheat code, all of a sudden you have just a little edge to live a healthier life. I also think that it gives you a little hope. Yes. And hope can take you very far in life, right? Very, very far. And if you see, like I always talk about this, that if you actually just see a glimmer that something can be different and hope, that can take you further than anything else, right?

54:30So if they see themselves getting a little bit stronger or like a little bit like lighter, it will maybe put something in their head like they want to continue. Absolutely. It will help them do the next move, which is why I think it could be a huge game changer. And it quiets your brain from all the things. Like you and I, Katie, were talking about this last night. Like I said, we said that I'm not just talking with this at nauseam, but like it's one thing to take. Anybody can like OD on something or take too much, right? Because this idea is more is more, right? But if someone just like uses it properly, I think that there could be a lot of advantages for it really, right?

55:11But you have to know. Yeah. And I think it's important for people to know that like, be very conscientious, like be like, do your research, know that like, you should be very discerning who you trust, like to do your research, know who the good ones are, who the bad ones are, you know, talk to your friends, like, and find out because there's so much information on Instagram now and TikTok. That's where people are getting their information from, right? So like know who your influence is, like the people that you're looking at, like what are their, like, you know, like who they are. I think that makes a big difference.

55:47I will tell you, so when we are doing a GLP one for someone, we'll have monthly follow-ups with a coach. So we'll pair someone with them so that they do a virtual call. They check in and say, how are you doing? And, you know, that's where we guide them on like you need to eat. If you're not eating, we need to lower your dose. If you're having any side effects, we lower your dose. And if you're doing great, you don't always need to increase it. If you're doing great, just stay there because it's slow and steady. I was going to say, does your body acclimate to this stuff? Do you have to increase it eventually or does your body just like...

56:21It really depends on the case. You can. If you have a ton of weight to lose, then yeah, probably you're going to be titrating up. But if you don't and you're slowly losing, then there's no need to up the dose. What if you're not losing, you're just maintaining? Or on the semi-glutide, this is just a side question, what would happen if you're staying on that same dose? Does your appetite just come back slowly and you start gaining weight again because your body now is so adapted to that amount? No. Peptides in general are very regenerative. You called it a peptide before. I called it a weight loss drug or a weight loss.

57:00It's in the category. That's called all of those things. But so the point of it is it is helping with your metabolic health. And so that's also why you drill in. It's so important for the protein and the lifting weights to keep that muscle so that when you titrate down or get off it, that your muscle is there to then keep you processing your food and burning your fuel. And the hope, like I said earlier, it allows you that food freedom to create better habits. And imagine your body and mind on a six-month journey of something where you've started creating that stuff. The momentum is with you. Exactly.

57:45Everything in life is momentum. Your husband and I talked about it. I think we are a company that provides momentum. I truly do. By the way, that's exactly what I was just going to say. My husband talked to you about this? Yeah, we talked last night. About this? We were just talking about the power of momentum. Yes. He stole my line. Oh, we talked about a lot last night. I know. I'm just teasing you. But I truly believe that in health. I agree. If you've been unhealthy and all of a sudden you get a taste of feeling good. Totally agree. How powerful is that? That's why I think that these things – it's the most powerful thing.

58:18That's why it's like, I think, again, hope, like anything that gets you to a place of action where there's momentum, because nothing happens with no momentum, like, you know, like inertia. It's very, very, very important. My whole life is based around momentum. So that's why I could not agree with you more. These chairs, by the way, are so uncomfortable. I'm actually enjoying them. Oh my God. I'm so uncomfortable. We have to wrap this podcast. My God. Okay. Josh, Katie, blokes, joy, joy, blokes. you guys are so great i'm so glad i got to meet you guys and uh you guys are awesome and everyone go get labs it's very important for your health your preventative care just where you are it's it's you can't health is wealth and like if you don't have your health you have nothing you can't do anything you can't be there for your kids your family your work like it's to me it's such a it's it's something that is so overlooked and so under indexed but the most important thing that we have It's unbelievable.

59:17Yeah. I'm so glad we met you and your husband. Thank you. We have been on cloud nine after that dinner. It was so much fun. We feel the same way about you guys. That's why I'm so glad that we just got to do this podcast on these uncomfortable chairs. But thank you. And go, what's your, well, your IG or give everyone like the. Yeah. Joy is spelled J-O-I, by the way. And on Instagram, we're joywomenswellness. And then our website is choosejoy.co. So blokes is at get blokes, B-L-O-K-E-S. My daughter always makes fun of me when I say that. And then blokes.co. Super simple. I love it. Thank you, guys.

59:55Thank you. Bye. Thank you.