Episode 375: Dave Rubin: Unfiltered Takes on Biden, Trump, Tequila, and How Your Vote Affects Your Sex Life

23:09But anyway, it was about 1 a.m. after, you know, he does the meet and greet, signs all the books. We had just flown in that morning. It was a long day. Jet lag. I don't even remember where we were in another country the night before. Like all of that stuff. Long, long day. and we get out into the alley and it's really dark, which is like a little light in the distance. And it's me and Jordan's wife, Jordan, the tour manager. So just four of us were out. He didn't have security at the time. It was very, very different. And we see these two guys about 50 feet away from us. And it seems like maybe they're fighting or something.

23:38We can't quite tell. And then they start walking towards us really quickly. And we all kind of were like, uh-oh, what's going on here? And then as they got closer, we could see they both had been hysterically crying. One of the guys was about 55. One of the guys was probably about 25. And it turned out they were a father and son who had had a falling out like five years before, had not seen each other in five years, both read the book, independently came to the speech by themselves, saw each other at the show and made amends right there. I just got chills telling you that. And we saw it. They told us that.

24:13Jordan began to cry. His wife began to cry. John, the tour manager, began to cry. I'm not much of a crier, but something was going on there. That type of thing. Incredible. I liked him from Jump. I loved his way. I didn't realize he was... I never expected him to become as popular as he did. We were in Amsterdam. A guy with a yellow vest that was doing the gurney. What do they call it? The thing that goes to the plane. Not the gurney. The air control guy? Yeah, like not the guy on the ground, but the guy that's like the thing that connects to the plane, the air walk or whatever it is. Yeah, whatever it is, yes.

24:52Whatever that thing is, he literally saw Jordan and ran onto the plane and was like going crazy. You changed my life. I got this job because the pilot kind of realized what was happening because he probably could have gotten in a lot of trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was like, thank you, thank you. You're not allowed to be here. But over and over again, I saw that. But anyway, you asked me about the process with that. So for Jordan's shows, I didn't always do something different every night because I wanted it to be as happy and fun as possible at the beginning so that he could then do his hour and a half.

25:24And then at the end, we did a half hour together, which was a Q &A that also I tried to make funny. Because my feeling was if I can get them laughing at the beginning, Jordan does something deep and powerful, which is what they're there for, but then leave on a good note. I wanted the end to always be funny so that they walk out. And I know that for the rest of their night or the next day, they're going to be thinking about all the things that Jordan said, not the jokes that I made. But if the feeling that they walked away with was like, wow, it was great fun at the beginning. And I can't believe how much I laughed.

25:51And then at the end, there was this other, you know, silly thing or whatever. So that's really how we did it. That's amazing. Because what year did you say you started your podcast, YouTube channel? The YouTube show started when I moved to LA in 2013. 2013. Yeah. And then that whole year with Jordan was 2017. It was 17 into 18, yeah. So between 2013 and 2018, how did you gain so much track? Or did the Jordan thing really kind of help escalate your popularity? Well, it was kind of like, it was going like that. The Jordan thing blew it up for sure. But what happened even before that, like a year before that was I started, you know, I was a lefty, I was a progressive, I was on the Young Turks, all of that stuff.

26:36How did you go from liberal to where you are now? I want to ask you a little about that. Well, I still consider myself, I mean, liberal in the truest sense of liberalism that Bill Maher is always trying to say I'm still a liberal. And I'm like, Bill, that may well be true, but you're just living in the wrong time now, which I'll discuss with him later tonight. We're always arguing that out. So in a perfect sense, I am still a classical liberal. My first book, Don't Burn This Book, was a defense of classical liberalism. I still agree with every single thing that I wrote out there. But unfortunately, defending my liberal values has become a conservative position.

27:04So that's why conservatives, conservatives ironically are defending liberalism. But to explain that all the time over and over gets very confusing and lost in the weeds. So I don't bother saying I'm a liberal anymore. I don't mind if someone who understands what liberalism means, meaning individual rights and laissez-faire government and logic and reason and all of those things. I don't mind if someone says that to me. Yeah. But every now and again, someone will be like, you're still a liberal. And I'm like, well, I'm not exactly sure you mean that the way that it really was intended to be. But you know, you're a communicator.

27:36You can only spend so much time giving definitions to everybody. But what had happened around 2016, as I was waking up to the craziness of the left, because I was on the Young Turks and they were just nuts and everybody that they disagreed with was a racist and blah, blah. And there was an unbelievable hatred of Israel even back then, which I didn't really understand because it was the only place in the Middle East that had anything remotely close to their progressive values and all of that stuff. I did a video for PragerU. It was my first video and it was called Why I Left the Left, which has now been seen like probably 50 million times or something.

28:08And what's interesting about it was it was just me explaining kind of the difference between progressivism and actual liberalism. And never in the video did I say I left the left. I still believe I was sort of Bill Maher. Now, I was like, I am on the left. These people are crazy. I am trying to fight for, you know, what's right here. So when I woke up that morning, because you shoot those videos because they have to animate it and everything. They shoot those videos like six months before they come out. I don't even think I knew it was coming out that day. And I woke up that morning and I look at my phone and it says, Dave Rubin, Prager, you Dave Rubin, why I left the left.

28:40And I was pissed because I thought this is not right. I did not leave the left. This whole thing, you know, like they've, they've titled it in such a way. Cause I didn't make up a title. I wrote the script, but I didn't title it. And, uh, and I was pissed and I think I was about to get on the phone with them. I was trying to figure out who to call or what, you know, how you got to change this. And I went to the video on YouTube and it had already within the first like three hours, it had like 10 million views. In three hours? Something like that. Don't quote me exactly on that, but basically within a day it had 10 million views.

29:09But like that morning I saw it just exploding, right? And I looked on Twitter and all these people are talking about it and everything. And I quickly looked at the comment section and I saw all of these people. And everybody was like, you know, he's a liberal. It makes sense. Like these progressives are crazy and blah, blah. And I was like, you know what? Let me just leave the title. Let's just let it be. This thing's working and it's cooking. And then that was the next thing that really kind of blew things up. So my career was kind of like going like this. Then the Why I Left the Left video like really blew it up.

29:39Then Jordan, which was probably about a year after that, that really blew it up. And then, you know, there's been some other things since. Where are the other things that kind of – because you're like in the – like why didn't you ever do the like, you know, Ben Shapiro? What's that thing called that he – you know, what's the media company? Daily Wire. Daily Wire. Yeah. But you're not really – you're not a part of the Daily Wire, right? I'm completely independent. Well, that was the other thing that along the way I went. So I started at the Young Turks and then I was on Aura TV, which was a digital network created by Larry King, who became like a, not only a friend, but a mentor and like a bonus grandfather to me, which was absolutely amazing.

30:13And then I was at this other little startup for a few months called Riot. That just kind of, that was actually before Aura. I remember that. That actually didn't, we just went in different directions. They decided to do like 3D video. I'm not even sure the company exists. So then I went over to Aura. And then from Aura, the show was really blowing up. Because now that Why I Left the Left video had come out and more people were starting to pay attention to me, I was finding the old school liberals. So that's where I interviewed Sam Harris for the first time. And I had Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray, who I'm sure you know is absolutely incredible.

30:43So I was finding the people that I was simpatico with that I really like. And nobody was really talking to them in an honest way. That's what's so interesting. Going back to 10 years ago, they weren't really in mainstream in the ether at all. You were kind of doing these things that were very much ancillary, but that now has become very mainstream. Well, it's kind of funny. It's sort of why I actually don't like interviewing as much as I used to because everyone's kind of doing it now. You're actually quite a good interviewer. It's very obvious to me from the beginning. You're fully listening.

31:17You're engaged. You're looking at me the whole time. You're not staring at what's the next question and everything. But everyone's kind of doing it now. And it's not that that makes me enjoy it less. It's just it doesn't feel as novel. So it's not Phoenix, my producer sitting right here, he knows like we've, we've shifted the show a little bit where we don't feel like we just have to get an interview for the sake of getting an interview. It's much more, who do I want to talk to and why do I want to talk to them? And, and all that kind of stuff. But, but the reason that I did the long form interview, which again, now everybody does.

31:47But when I started doing that around 2015, it was really only me and Rogan online, like, and he was just starting. So he would, this is sort of pre Joe Rogan Rogan, which nobody really remembers, but he was more fear factor Joe Rogan than Joe Rogan of now. And the reason I wanted to do it was I felt that everything was making people stupid. It was when Snapchat was huge and Vine, you remember Vine on Twitter, these six second videos and everything was making people stupid. And I was like, all right, I'll do the reverse of that. And I always love Larry King. And I love that show. I love the way he interviewed.

32:21And I know people felt he was a softball interviewer or something, but I thought he was thoughtful and interesting and funny when he needed to be and everything else. And he let his guests talk. And that's really how I decided to do it. And clearly there was some kind of need for that. And so I guess when you must have been kind of – wait, so there's two things. So why after Aura did you not do or go on the Daily Wire thing? Oh, well, Daily Wire – I would think that that would be perfect for you. Daily Wire I don't think had even started yet. Oh, where did he start? He started a little bit after that.

32:50Like I could be wrong. I'm not even trying. Well, it certainly wasn't the Daily Wire of now of what it is now. Like, I don't think they had other personalities. Ben was kind of doing his own thing. He was with Breitbart at that point. Yeah, it was definitely it was definitely pre Daily Wire for sure. But basically what happened was or, you know, my show was really blowing up. And then there was Larry and they had like 10 other shows and the other shows were not doing well. You've never heard of any of them or the hosts or anything. Actually, William Shatner had a show on there, but but you had never you've never heard of what the show was.

33:20I've heard of William Shatter. No, you've heard of William Shatter. But the point was they had all - Not a show. But basically, my show was blowing up and Larry obviously was the big name and he was the, I think he was largely financially backing it as well. But the more that my show blew up, the more they wanted out of us and the more that I felt I was supporting all of these little shows. And I was like, no, I don't want to be that. I want to either, I either want to be on a network where there's 10 great all-star shows and I'm trying to like force my way in or I'll just go independent. And I chose the latter.

33:49Oh, okay. Um, and I remember walking out of a meeting with one of the executives there one day and they just like showed us a spreadsheet of like numbers they wanted us to hit and revenue to hit and thinking, wait, wait a minute. I'm the only one here who, besides Larry, who has a show that's working. Why are you demanding all this of me when none of these guys can get 10 views? Yeah. And then I was like, we're going independent. And for a little, so we went independent and for a little while, for about four months, I borrowed Roseanne Barr's studio. She has a studio in El Segundo, right by the airport in LA.

34:17We had become friends like a year before. Built my set in her place. And then Roseanne, God bless Roseanne. She's obviously a little nutty, as she would admit. And doing business with her was rather difficult. So after four months, I was like, now I'm done. And then that was when we finally had saved up enough money, bought a house in Sherman Oaks, turned that into the garage, into the studio. And then the show exploded. That studio that you may remember, that's when we moved in in November 2016. Jordan, as I said, he was cooking September, October. The first interview that I did when we moved into the house was Jordan on Skype because we didn't even have internet yet.

34:56My studio wasn't built. I had to jack internet from my neighbor. And I have this very – you can find it online from November to the end of November 2006, maybe beginning of November 2016, of me interviewing Jordan about C-16 and Peter Pan and all this stuff. And the internet's horrible because it's scrambly and everything. and that really was kind of the beginning of now, of all the stuff that now I guess people know of me. Because the Rubin report though, on YouTube, how did you, because I was thinking like you have so, you have like two and a half million, 2.2 million or whatever subscribers on there.

35:30Yeah. Because is it harder now to gain traction or like was it easier back then? Or did you say like all those videos, like the left, why I left the left or all that. Is that what kind of helped kind of bring traction? Yeah, it all kind of feels. Actually, the thing I'm – you didn't ask me this, but the thing I'm like most proud of when it comes to numbers and I try not to get lost in numbers at all is that we have never put a dime into advertising ever, ever, ever, ever. It's all organic. It is completely organic ever. And it's so hard to grow on YouTube. It's so hard. Well, to that point, I mean I would suspect – I don't know because I'm not trying to build a channel now, but like – You're not?

36:05Well, no, no, no. I mean I'm trying to continue to build my channel. Is it easier to build now because you have a base? No, I would think it's probably – my guess is it would be much harder. Well, no, now for me to continue to grow, I mean, every month we're breaking every record, every single month. It's crazy. My live streams are blowing up. And, and I don't say that to pat myself on the back. I say out of like, I think we're genuinely doing something good and we have a good team behind it. And it's important relative to the craziness of the world and all that stuff. Yeah. So I suspect now, you know, when I got on YouTube around 2013, it still was the Wild West.

36:38Nobody knew what it was really. People were doing videos and then you could do a reaction video that would get put under the video. And it was it was like a whole different thing. And it was new. So nobody knew how to master the game. Now, now there's a zillion companies that are there to master the game. Also, everybody and their brother wants to be a YouTuber now. So my general suspicion is, I mean, you've seen some new people get into the game now, usually because they're extremely well funded. They've done something else. They made it in some other world. Then they get on YouTube. They have enough money to put some rocket fuel on that.

37:09Yeah, but that's what I was going to say. That's what I was wondering because back then, it had to be more organic. It was much more the wild. It's still the Wild West. People still to this day have no idea how to break YouTube at all. But the people who I see are doing it, I'm not sure if it's just bots and people are just doing that. and or that it's just people who are very wealthy who are putting a shit ton of money in advertising and buying a shit ton of traffic because it's so difficult. I think there's probably every combination of those things but you know even that sort of thing like at some point it doesn't work.

37:42No it doesn't. You know it doesn't work at some point like you can you can throw a gajillion dollars into something you can get a certain amount of views out of nowhere and all of that stuff but like the longevity of it is that you're hopefully doing something good and worthwhile and everything else so like when i see now my youtube my analytics guy um is amazing and when he shows us that every month we're just crushing it and that our live streams now are getting hundreds of thousands of views a day you know live streams we do we're live every day at 11 so every day through friday at 11 for about an hour we go against the view so i like to think that the real divide in america is not left versus right or conservative versus liberal it's ruben report viewers versus view crazy people that's sort of the divide seriously well no no no not that but seriously you go live not that part but yeah no no i mean it's sort of yes seriously no but yes no no what i mean is you go i didn't even know you did a live stream every day at 11 o 'clock yeah yeah and how many people are like listening i mean if we looked if we looked that he can pull up the numbers but if we looked at our last five of them i mean i think one's got about a million views one's got about 500 000 views usually usually around two or three hundred thousand well so the entire medium of like just in terms of like and that's for an hour show that's not and our watch times are great also so it's not like just people like clicking in and then getting the hell out of there which a lot of videos have that's what most people yeah exactly so you do this every you're not doing it today obviously we're traveling this week but i'm doing a lot of these shows and you know we'll take a clip of this and if you don't mind we'll put that on the channel by the way that'll be good for you too of course so we're trying you know the thing with YouTube is once you're in the game, you have to stay in the game.

39:17So I mentioned to you about going off the grid for August. When we started doing that years ago, I didn't put up anything for a month and it crushes you. It completely ejects you from the algorithm. And then you basically have to spend two or three months just pushing back in so that you can get close to your numbers before. So now we have a whole system devised where I tape things beforehand. We do some prepackaged stuff and everything else because I would prefer not to, 100%. I would prefer to I take August off to keep my mind fresh and disconnect. And I think it's good for, I know it's good for me and everything else.

39:50And for what I do, I want to give that to my audience too, but we simply cannot do it. Yeah. Because we have to stay in the game because otherwise it will literally cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars. And it's not even about the money. It's just that I want people to see my content, you know? You know what? That's interesting you said that because like I was saying earlier, I finished the second TED talk. My first TED talk went viral and it was crushing it. It was up to like 6 million. They had to pull it for something that had nothing to do with me, for whatever, for Ted. They had to pull it for three weeks, and it never gained traction again.

40:21It got stuck at that number. Because you can never... Once something stops, I feel like, in the algorithm, then that's what it is. Well, no one really knows how to explain the algorithm or what's really going on there. It's been written in so many ways by so many people over the years that it's sort of its own thing. It's like Terminator 2. The machines have turned on now. And it is what it is. And we're sort of all like at its mercy in essence. We are. But part for sure of what it feeds or what feeds the algorithm is newness. So if you have a video that is new that gets on there, that is one of the pieces of what will deliver it into the endless stream of stuff.

41:01Right. So if that video disappears and then you just repost that same thing, well, it's lost one nugget of the, let's say, 10 or 20 or 100 things that send it into the stream. The way I see it is that momentum's lost, right? Yeah, well, that would be like the most simple way. Exactly. Like once the momentum is gone to kind of rejig the system is impossible.

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43:01Okay, so let me ask you, I've got a lot of questions with regards to politics, because like I said to you ad nauseum already, I'm not a big political person, but you are so good at explaining things and to like the layman's person. Is there anything redeeming about the Democratic Party in your opinion? That's the first part. No, it's so gone. It's ridiculous. I truly wish I could tell you that I wasn't screaming about this for years. This was so obvious. Like, I didn't know it was going to end in this specific, well, did you see George Clooney today came out against Joe Biden? My God, when you've lost George Clooney, who knows what the rest of the Facts of Life cast is going to say?

43:39You know what I mean? What's Joe going to say? It's like, I know you can get that reference because you're of a certain age. Everyone under 40 is like, Facts of Life, what the hell is that? Who's Tootie? That is hilarious. I love that. That's such a great - Yeah. He was in Facts of Life for two seasons. I think it was crazy at the end. They suddenly opened a candy factory or something or a little coffee shop. A hundred percent. And Mrs. Garrett and - Mrs. Garrett, T.B., Blair. She was gone at the end and then she was replaced by - Yeah, she was replaced by Cloris Leachman. Right. But anyway - Also Joe.

44:05Okay, anyway - Yeah, I could mostly talk about 80s sitcoms. Yeah. I would be way more - Yeah, me too. I can go head to head with you on this one. 80s sitcoms or 80s pop culture is actually my natural green juice. Oh, really? That would be my real thing. Do you like Golden Girls? I know we're taking a total. Oh my God, is she kidding? Do I like Golden Girls? That's my favorite of all time. I mean, what do you want to do? What do you want to do here? I mean, I've seen every episode of the Golden Girls at least 300 times. Oh, no, no, no, me too. Yeah. I cried on May, I believe it was May 18th or so, 1992, when it ended, when Dorothy married Uncle Lucas, played by Leslie Nielsen, of course, from Naked Gun.

44:42Oh my God, you. Yeah. Do you know who created the Golden Girls, by the way? No, who? Susan Harris. And do you know who Susan Harris' son is? No, please tell me. Sam Harris. Sam Harris' mom? It's Susan Harris, who is one of the most legendary TV producers of all time. She also created Soap, which was a little before our time. I remember Soap, yeah. Soap had Billy Crystal. He was the first gay character on television ever. But at one time, around 1991, she was the most powerful person in television. She had four shows in a row on NBC primetime, Saturday night. She had Golden Girls, Nurses, which was a spinoff.

45:15That was about the hospital that was in Miami. And then they had Empty Nest, which was also a spinoff with Dr. Richard Mulligan. The one that Blanche had a crush on. Yeah. The neighbor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Harry Weston. Yeah, Harry Weston. Yeah. And then there was another show called Grand. That only lasted for a year or two. But she had four sitcoms from 8 to 10 p.m. NBC Saturday night. And she's done a million other things. Hold on a minute. I'm still on the fact that Sam Harris's mom created probably, not probably, my favorite show of all time yeah like it was i still by the way what's your favorite episode or line i mean i could do this all day i could do this all day because i'll tell you something even more but it taught me a lot of things too i mean the golden girls was an incredible by the way there's nothing funnier like sophia and dorothy the relationship between the two by the way who's your favorite character i think sophia is my favorite and dorothy as i say it's kind of like a tie between dorothy and sophia for sure i didn't i never loved rose that much i don't know why rose was You've always hated Betty White.

46:11I never liked. It's rare. It's rare. Nobody's ever said that before. I don't hate Betty White. The hatred of Betty White. But she was just dumb. I don't like that humor. I liked more Dorothy sarcasm and Sophia. But what I was, by the way, do you know there's a podcast that just started that's like at the top of the charts that's just people, two people riffing about the episodes of Golden Girls? Oh, I got to talk to those guys. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. But what I was going to say to you is I still fall asleep. If I can't fall asleep and I'm having a hard time, I watch an episode of The Golden Girls.

46:44I mean, I literally do cardio to The Golden Girls. You do? I'm probably the only person on earth that will keep me running. No way. Yeah. How did we just meet now, Dave? It's crazy. It's crazy. So I'll tell you one of the great lines of The Golden Girls. You'll know the episode for sure. Okay. I'll know every episode. So, you know, there were two episodes that involved Blanche's brother, Clayton, who's gay. Yeah, who's gay. And in the first episode, he comes out and it's a great episode and she's struggling with it. And, you know, Clayton, I don't know the actor's name, but the guy that played Clayton was kind of normal.

47:14He was just like a normal guy. He had a Southern accent. He talked like this, but like he was like a normal guy. Now, this is, I'm watching this in like 1991 or something. So this is really sort of before I'm, or 1989 or something. Before I was, before forming any thoughts really about sexuality. But there was something about that that I thought was interesting because he wasn't over the top flamboyant or whatever. Yeah, feminine. But the other episode that he was in is about two seasons later. I think it's season six where he brings his partner, Doug. Remember? Yes, I remember. And they're going to get married.

47:46And now think about that. So this is, I think, 1990 or 1991. Yeah. Saturday night, 8 p.m. on NBC. They have two gay guys. Doug is like another normal guy. Yeah. just normal, straight appearing guy. They're talking about getting married. Gay marriage wasn't legal for another 30 years, basically, but they didn't make an issue out of that. They talk about that two people can love each other and it's different. They still have, Blanche is still struggling with it. Like it was real and honest and whatever. But the line to me that is like the most incredibly brilliant line, it's subversive and dirty and crazy.

48:20And the fact that this even got past the censors is amazing to me. Blanche says, I don't understand. I know you love this guy, but why do you have to marry him? And Clayton says, well, I'd do anything for Doug and he'd bend over backwards for me. And it's like, think about that joke. Think about that joke. Like it's, it's actually hilarious. And then if you, if you even look at sitcoms 30 years later, Modern Family, which I actually didn't watch Modern Family, but I know that there was a gay couple in it. But the gay couple in Modern Family, supposedly one of the guys, I think of the fact I had a fear of public displays of affection.

48:59And that's how they wrote in, oh, we're just not going to have gays either talk about sex or affection or anything else. And that was 30 years later where the Golden Girls did that back then. And by the way, there's also an episode of the Golden Girls when Stan's cousin Magda comes from former Soviet Union. And Dorothy at a bookstore at the end is telling her about classical liberalism and all of the great things about America. I totally remember all of those episodes. By the way, you did a great Clayton. I'd do anything for Doug. And he'd bend over backwards for me. And then by the way, that was the last line in the show.

49:31And then they went to the music, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't believe you loved the movie. And then the fact that Leslie Nielsen married Dorothy at the end. Leslie Nielsen, who to me, Naked Gun is the funniest movie of all time. So funny. And I loved, loved, loved him. So he turned out to be in those two final episodes. And by the way, the show got better and better each season. Better and better. In season seven, it was the most bawdy and ridiculous and their shoulder pads were bigger and the hair were bigger and everything else. But it was – and it was more over the top and it was more biting.

49:58But it was just – yeah. By the way, it was pushing the envelope with everything. Like even the blanch and the sexual innuendos constantly. Like all of Dorothy's jokes to her. Like completely – they wouldn't have that on TV now even. Yeah. Yeah. It was way, way ahead of its time. It was way ahead of its time. They were four incredible actresses. The writing was amazing. Oh my God. I also love Frasier, by the way. I love Niles. I didn't really like Frasier. You didn't like Frasier? I love Frasier. I did a little too hoity-toity. But that was the funny part, that Niles was such a hoity-toity. They were so hoity-toity, it made it funny.

50:31Yeah. But Golden Girls, to me, to this day, is the best sitcom of all time. I will tell you a very underrated episode of the Golden Girls. Okay, tell me. When people think of the classical episodes, their classic episodes, it's not thought of that. Season 7, so the last season episode, it's either episode 12 or 13. It's called From Here to the Pharmacy, where Blanche, the guy, the guy, no, no, not, not condoms, condoms, condoms. That also happens at a pharmacy. So that's good. Blanche, a guy from the Persian Gulf War comes back and says that he's been dating Blanche, but she can't remember who he is.

51:02And it turns out to be his pharmacist or her pharmacist. Wait, hold on. What episode is this? It's called From Here to the Pharmacy. I believe it's season seven, episode 12. It's either 12 or 13. And a guy comes back. A guy comes back. He had just served in the Gulf War, which had just taken place. And he now shows up, you know, dressed as a soldier. And he shows up at the door and he's like, I've missed you, Blanche. And she can't remember who he is. And it turns out that they had been dating, but he was the pharmacist, Bill. Oh my God, I do remember this. Yeah. And there's just a couple phenomenal, the first five minutes of that episode is just joke after joke after joke after joke.

51:40It's amazing. It was actually written by Jimmy Vallee, who is Bill Maher's best friend. And boy, now I'm really dropping Hollywood stuff. Holy shit. How do you remember? You even know like episode, season. I thought I was a fan. And my sister and my mom, like this is all we talk about is the Golden Girls. It's actually kind of crazy. I had no idea that you were such a fan. There you go. That's not on your bio, by the way. Sam Harris has, you know, people give his mom Golden Girls things all the time or she had all this stuff. Oh, my God. So I have a set of Golden Girls shot glasses that were given by Susan Harris.

52:10Really? Yeah. Wow. I have Rue McClanahan's teeth. No, that's a joke. Do you? That was a joke. By the way - That would be pretty great. That would be amazing. Yeah. David, my husband, tried to buy me one of her gowns for my birthday once. Not to wear, but just so it would be so cool. Because she had an estate sale, Rue McClanahan's estate sale. And they had all of her crazy dresses. Remember her red dress for the - I remember all the dresses, yes. From George's funeral and all that stuff. And there was one that was going to be like$3 ,000 for some forgettable something. And he almost did it, but then someone bought it instead.

52:42Really? And I knew somebody at one time who was a Hollywood backstage guy who had one of their chairs from the lanai. From the lanai. And I was trying to get it. I don't remember what happened to that. Wow. This is amazing that you are such a fan. By the way, the fact that they always use the word lanai always made me laugh. Well, I now call our outdoor area the lanai. So do I. I'm like, bring it out to the lanai. Everyone's like, what the hell is a lanai? By the way, I do it all the time to my husband. This is sort of a lanai. That's the lanai. That's the lanai. I say it all the time. And the people who know Golden Girls laugh and smile.

53:14But it's kind of like the family truckster from the vacation movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you get the reference, you get it. If you don't, you don't. By the way, is your husband, what does he do? He takes care of the kids. He is full-time. How many kids do you have? Daddy, two kids. Two? Two kids, in essence, twins. But it was two surrogates within two months of each other. So twins. Oh, how old are they? Justin is the oldest. He'll be two in a couple weeks. and then Luke will be two, two months after. Oh, you have like babies. Babies, yeah. Oh my gosh. They're like little people, sort of like Oompa Loompas.

53:46Yeah, yeah, yeah. You feed them and spin them around. And then put them to sleep for a minute. I didn't know you had two little babies. Yeah, yeah. Wow. How have you been married to, who's your husband? What's his name? His name's David also, which is - I thought you said. People think that's spectacular and hilarious. We got married in 2015. We've been together since like 2011 or something, which is like, that's 13. That's a life - Let's say we've been together 13 years. that's like 30 gay years or something. I was going to say, you're probably the longest gay couple, like the longest amount of time spent together.

54:18I think there are others in history. Really? Where? Not in this town. With your memory, maybe one. No. I know people personally that have been together for, I know couples that have been together for 40 years. But like, yes, in like - In LA. In LA. Yeah, LA. Everyone here's on meth. Exactly. Everyone here in LA, they don't stay anywhere for too long. okay let's get back to the politics because i have a million questions or like okay there's nothing redeeming really can't we do more on the golden girls i would i would actually like to do a whole episode i like if i would have known that you were such a golden girl person i would have had rapid fire questions oh my god and i would have nothing you could get past me well i didn't of course not and you know the episode in the same in the season with the line yes oh no i have to go to i have to go to dr drew and you don't want to cross dr drew i'll cross dr drew You can tell them.

55:08I'll cross them happily. What do you mean? How far is it? I haven't even gotten started with it. It's in Pasadena. This is making me really upset. I'll do it again. We'll do it again. We'll do it again. Or you'll come to Miami. You ever come to Miami? Yeah, I do. Come to Miami. We'll drink Slate. And we'll watch the Golden Girls. Well, that would be a great day. God, too bad you're gay. You're like a perfect person for me. I love you. Well, that's how it works. I mean, it's always like that. I mean, my husband would love hearing that. But that's besides the point. No, no, good. You should find the straight guy who could watch the Golden Girls with you.

55:38That would be great. On a marathon. That's a whole other story and a whole other episode. But listen, okay. I want to ask you about politics. We saw the whole fiasco that happened. Even the Democrats were like mortified of his performance. Isn't that kind of elderly abuse to have someone like that? Yes, it's complete elderly abuse. It's complete elder abuse. I was with, I always tell the story, but I had two grandmothers who both had dementia into Alzheimer's sort of things at the end. One in particular, because I was doing standup in New York, I would work at night, so I had daytimes to be around her and take her to the doctor and the geriatric doctors and the cognitive things and all that.

56:14It's the exact same thing. It's the exact same thing. The stiffness, the awkwardness, the slurring, the confusion, the way he uses certain phrases to kind of reset things in his brain, all of the stuff. It's there. Everyone knows it. I'm not a doctor. Everyone knows it. But the thing is, everyone has known it for way, way longer than the last two weeks. I did a video the day he was sworn in. We're holding it. We haven't reposted it yet. But the day he was sworn in, I said I would retire if he makes it to the end of – if he's sworn in a second time. Right. Because that is how confident I've been the entire time that this sham would fall apart.

56:47And now we are seeing – usually what happens with the media is they lie about something. There is just some lie, whether it's Russia hoax or it's COVID things or something. They lie for a while and then the truth eventually catches up. Yeah. what happened on debate night is the first time I've ever seen this with the mainstream media where it was so patently obvious what was happening to him the gaping mouth the confusion the inability to finish a sentence even Jake Tapper was trying to help him and it couldn't it didn't really work Trump Trump who was so controlled that night I couldn't believe Trump's best line though was I'm not sure he knew what he said and because he didn't mean it he didn't mean it like screw old man he meant legitimately like this is a problem people I couldn't believe even he was, even he didn't even take shots because it was like, it was like not even worthy of taking shots from, it was unbelievable.

57:31And now we just kind of usher in Kamala or something, but it's breaking, it's breaking down way too early. And yes, she's, she's awful, but you have to remember the Democrats, all of them, they're not, they're collectivists by nature. So really, whether it's Joe Biden or whether it's Kamala Harris largely doesn't matter because they're not really running the show. Biden obviously has not really been running the show. and I don't think Kamala would be on a show. That's a much bigger problem for America and what's happened to the presidency and the way we're viewed in the world. But I don't think it, in terms of policy and how the country will operate, if it's Biden or Kamala, probably does not matter that much.

58:08Well, I mean, I think, I don't think anyone expected her to be so unlikable. She's more unlikable than Hillary Clinton. I mean, I thought she was going to be pretty bad, but this is like, this is off the charts. This is off the charts. I mean, completely disconnected, did completely doesn't resonate with anybody like i don't know anybody who's like oh i like that woman yeah she's sunny hostin likes her i think well okay but she can have her yeah because she's i think she's atrocious terrible but in a way it's a kind of a good thing that's happened i i feel for the democrats because at least now they have a chance of replacing him with someone who has a chance because you can't hide he's obviously on medication people know somebody knows whether it's a secret service guy that has had to literally carry him to bed or it's the doc the thing can't hold forever lie but that's what i mean about the the lies eventually it happens the system lies for a while or ignores for a while but then eventually it matches up right so eventually it will happen and someone at the white house is going to jump ship and be like you know what i can't hide this anymore actually they've been injecting him with stuff before the debates like it's just so what could they be injecting him with like adrenaline like what are they giving him god don't they grind up children and they make them smoke it or something i know that's what i heard that's a conspiracy yeah i don't know no no i'm just kidding they drink the blood i don't know what they're no who knows i mean there's all sorts of known medications for cognitive problems and then and then you know there's there's obviously there's adrenaline there's um there's a million different things but you know even when they did sadderall like there's stuff they could do yeah i guess that's true but like you know i've seen i'm sure crack crack that could be one but even i've seen things when they were uh when he was like reading speeches and he'll say things like period next paragraph, comma, end of quote.

59:48And nobody says anything. I always say on my show, so I do the show off the top of my head except for the outline of the show. So Phoenix and I come up with an outline in the morning. So the outline that's running on the teleprompter, that's how I might build a looking camera because we have a screen that I can look through and that's how they do it on television, right? Right. The way that we do it is I just have an outline. It tells me what clip I'm throwing to. Then I speak off the top of my head. Sometimes I screw up things on the prompter. Of course. that's not that that's just it's hard to read and think at the same time sometimes sometimes he might have got a phone call so the prompter isn't moving fast enough like there's a million i'm throwing them under the bus right there yeah you're really a good nice you're doing fine you're still have lunch today um anyway the point is like i i can give a very long leeway and runway for people screwing up things in public speaking and everything else even phoenix he does not even he does not know what he is doing that stefanopoulos interview was worse than the debate stefanopoulos basically had 22 minutes to repeatedly say to him are you alive are you alive is anyone in there anything happening over there and he could not complete a sentence so we are in we're in a weird time sister i horrible okay thank god i'm drinking hydrated hydrogen hydrogen water by life force water thank you for the water guys um i was gonna say something else i know you gotta wrap it one more thing donald trump we just talked about donald trump for two seconds sure so are you a fan of donald trump you had him i basically like him i've i'm friends with junior and i'm friends with ivanka and jared and i think they're absolutely lovely people and i've known junior even before politics and all that i met trump at mar-a-lago i've interviewed him i think he is a good decent man i think i know you care about the future of the jewish people he has don't you he no i do but i'm i was putting this on you for a moment for whatever hesitation anyone listening to this might have if you're Jewish, like because of all the insane things they say about him, like his grandchildren are Jewish.

1:01:41His daughter is Jewish, Orthodox Jew. I've been to their place. Like these are good human beings. I think if he can control a little bit of the craziness, that will be good. But the system is going to throw everything they have at him now. And my one fear at the moment is that it's feeling a little too like overconfidence, meaning we're all like watching the Democrat thing fall apart. But the system figures out ways to recalibrate, you know? So we got a long time to November. So how about like RFK? What do you think of him? I like him a lot. He is a decent human being. Again, I've interviewed him.

1:02:12We've had dinners and lunches together. We've done live events together. He is a good man. I disagree with him on some things where I would be considered more conservative, I suppose, or Republican on some things. But those are just little policy things, like the heart of the man and everything else is incredible. But look, as I said, the day he announced, he will not be a Democrat by the end of this thing. And he was not a Democrat like two months later. And now we're all seeing the true evil of the Democrat Party. So unfortunately, he's not going to be on all the ballots, most likely. And it's not, you know, they kept him out of the debate.

1:02:45So. But does he have a, is he going to take votes from, let's say the. I think he probably ends up taking more from Biden, which for my position would be good. So Trump becomes president. You can probably argue it either way. There'll be a certain set of Trump people that are really still pissed at Trump over their backs is and he's particularly good on that. So they might, but I think it'll be more that it will be the, it will be more like the average LA liberal who is not a complete psycho woke maniac who is like, I can't vote for Biden anymore because of the border and post 10 seven and all the other nonce and dementia, by the way.

1:03:19And they'll just be like, ah, but I can't vote for Trump or I won't feel good if I vote for Trump or my wife's never going to blow me again if I vote for Trump. which is a lot of it by the way but that's a whole other topic we could do a whole podcast on that I am a firm believer it's the blowjob theory I've put this theory out there did you? it's a real theory? yes that there are a huge percentage men like blowjobs it doesn't matter gay or straight everyone likes blowjob and some people like giving them too but everyone likes getting a blowjob and if you know that if your wife knows you vote for Donald Trump you're getting 10 % less blowjobs or your blowjobs are cut off in half you are not going to do it and I think that that's been a huge huge problem because women tend to be a little more liberal or lefty or have an aversion to Trump or whatever else.

1:04:00That is such a funny - The blowjob theory. You can use it. You can use it. We're going to clip that, okay? Chelsea, we're clipping that blowjob theory. That's a really good clip. Clipping the blowjob theory. Clipping the blowjob theory. I know I have so many questions. All right, one minute. One minute. One minute. We really have to go. It's Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew's going to be very upset. You can't cross him, you know? I know. He gets to be very evil if we're late. Okay. Okay. So I asked you a little bit about Biden, a little bit about Trump, RfK. I asked you about Kamala. We kind of talked about, oh, Gavin Newsom.

1:04:31Oh, he's evil. He's actually the devil incarnate. And you should leave this state immediately. You have a lovely house. I like this operation. It's a nice day here in LA, but you must leave this state. He's coming to kill all of you. Okay. When can we do this? Can we do maybe like a four-part series or something? Come to Miami and we'll do it in my place and then we'll come back. I don't know how often I can come back here. I know. You used to come back. I find it quite grueling. I know. Although your mall here is nice. The Century City Mall. It's a good - That Eataly is just fantastic. It's great.

1:04:57Did you eat there at all? I had some meatballs. And the fish there, my God. You had some fish there? I didn't have the fish, but it just looks amazing. It looks like Hollywood fish. You've never seen Hollywood fish at the Eataly. All right. I have to go. I have to go. Okay, fine, David. Okay. Well, I guess you can come back. Bye. Have a nice time with Dr. Drew. All right. See you. And yeah, see you. Take care. And we'll talk later. Follow Dave Rubin. He's amazing. Bye.

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