Elijah Wood, Vol. III

26:20Do you remember? No. Yeah. I don't know what percentage of the audience knows who MC Scat Cat is at this point. Was he only animated? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not in my mind. He lives. Opposites of Track, right? Yeah, Opposites of Track. Well done. Well done. It's a great video. I have since run into Paula Abdul. Really? And she definitely remembers me from that video, which is so funny. Very cute. So, like, how aware, like, when did you start to become aware of, I mean, you're working with, like, some amazing filmmakers early on. We referenced, like, I mean, it's a bit part, but you're with Zemeckis, then more meaningful with, like, Barry Levinson.

26:50Barry Levinson, yeah. Avalon. I love that film. I love Avalon. Me too. Richard Donner. Richard Donner, Radio Flyer. And I didn't, the significance of those directors at the time was lost in me. Like, I didn't realize that Richard Donner had made, I think I knew he'd made Goonies. So that was clear to me. And a big deal. In fact, when we were making Radio Flyer, Stephen visited. And Lucas, George Lucas came to visit set too. Which was like, both, yeah, I knew who those people were. Certainly. But Donner, I don't think I knew, I didn't know The Omen. It was before I'd seen The Omen. So there's certainly great works of Donner's that I hadn't yet been exposed to.

27:28I'm kind of surprised you never, correct me if I'm wrong, you were never directed by Spielberg. You never... No, never got to work with Spielberg. Strange. Things that he's produced have been around. Deep Impact he produced. So that was at DreamWorks. Right, that was the first, like, DreamWorks. That was one of the first ones, yeah. One of the early DreamWorks films, yeah. Mimi Leder was the director. Yes. But he produced it. So, yeah, around, you know? Can you make the case for Deep Impact over Armageddon? That was the big rivalry at the time. Two such different approaches to the same thing. And it was really funny at the time, actually, because it was like a big part of the conversation.

28:03I mean, our film is a less heightened, more realistic approach. Our film is really emotional. It's like it's on the beach. It's like people ultimately recognizing that they're likely going to die. And then what do you do with that information? and I thought it was a beautiful script. You're saying Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler, Animal Crackers is not emotional? Ben is coming in. He has the counter argument. The Ben Affleck, I think one of his greatest contributions, and I think he'll agree, is the commentary. Commentary track. It's on some other level. It's a master class. Everyone aspires to be that.

28:45I know. It's great. Just taking a commentary track to another level. Bring back the commentary tracks. I know. Well, their own, I mean, Criterion still goes. I just got to go to the Criterion closet. I was going to say, you're coming from the Criterion closet to Happy, Say, Confused. What a downgrade. I'm so sorry. No, not at all. Did you prep for Criterion? I did. I didn't want to walk in. It's funny. I think I thought I would be really overwhelmed, and it is a little overwhelming. It's quite tight, and it's everything. Yeah. And I was just afraid that I wouldn't be kind of – I didn't want to be too random.

29:25So, yeah, I pre-gamed and kind of stuck to that, and I'm really happy with the choices. Deep impact over here, good sun over here. Yeah, right. Classic criterion. Good sun back in the day. That was like heat. That was like De Niro, Pacino. It was like Macaulay and you. Jesus Christ. That was the equivalent. Oh my God, that's really funny. Not that far off of the kid actors at the time. Right, right. Certainly in that regard. I see what you mean. I get it. You can make that connection. Sure. Was Macaulay, were you going up for the same roles? Did you have peers that were like... I don't know. We must have.

30:07You would think. We must have. Yeah. We're the same age. I think he might be a little older than me, but not by much. Yeah. We're about the same age. So yeah, we would have gone for the same things, I would have thought. Is there any indelible memory that sticks out when I say The Good Son to you? Yeah. Well, we had a really great time making it. I loved working with him. It was a blast. We were just two kids. You know, we would spend time between setups. There was this great sort of forested area next to that main house that the movie takes place in. We'd run around and like play with sticks.

30:37And we were just kids messing around. One memory is that there was a, we shopped the whole thing in Massachusetts, like Gloucester, Mass. And there was a haunted house. There was like an old house that they turned into a haunted attraction. And they gave tours. But they didn't present it like a haunted house, haunted attraction. They presented it like a ghost tour. Right. In a more formal way. But they did have like staff in different places creating things like that you couldn't see, things falling over and noises, which was really fun. So I remember doing that with him and a whole group of us went.

31:18It was a blast. Where are you on like the experiential theater experience thing now as an adult? Like the Sleep No More? Loved Sleep No More. Yeah? Loved it. I had seen, because that theater company is called Punch Drunk and they're from the UK. Right. And I had seen a number of years prior to Sleep No More coming to New York, They did a production of Faust, but in that same approach, which is essentially taking a classic piece and then recontextualizing it in a different time period, in a different place. And their Faust was in sort of the American South in the 1940s or 50s. And it was awesome.

31:53That idea that you can kind of follow the action or just explore the space is so fun. I just get self-conscious about being roped in, like brought in. I got brought in at Sleep No More. But you were cool with it. Obviously, that's what you do. Loved it. You embraced it. Is this very rare that you... Yes. Because there are a number of... I don't know how many per show there are, but there's like 15 to 20 one-on-one experiences, apparently. Yeah. And I had such... One such one-on-one. And I was pulled into... It was Sleep No More. And I was pulled into a bedroom. And this woman brought me in and sat me at a vanity in front of this mirror.

32:36and she's like looking at me. I have 10 questions about Lord of the Rings for you right now. She's like talking about this dream she had, looking at me in the mirror, and then she picks me up and pulls me into a closet, takes my mask off, which actually that may have happened in front of the mirror. But anyway, it got very close to my face where I was like, what is going to happen? I felt very charged. And then she handed me like a locket and she said, this will keep you safe and thrust me back out of the play. And the thing that it, like that didn't have any, end up having any meaning or connection to the play.

33:07But I felt in that moment, like I was in the world and that I was a part of it. It was really powerful. I loved it. But yeah, you've got to be willing to like, have that wall being broken down and be vulnerable. Yeah. The closest I've ever come to like having like a heart attack and stroke in my life, I I think was I went to Jonathan Groff's Just in Time Broadway musical, and he picked me up out of the audience and started dancing with me. I mean, I can do this. If I know I'm on camera, if I have to do this thing. But no, come on. Right, it's too vulnerable. Yeah. And now they've done Phantom of the Opera.

33:44Yeah, people are loving that. It's an immersive thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which sounds incredible. Yeah. Okay, some rumor control over the years that I noticed some more substantiated than others. You did mention this. You auditioned for Moulin Rouge. I did, yeah. I mean, I'm sure everybody did. A lot of people did, but I've talked to Baz and many actors that have, and his auditions are famously very ornate, interesting. They're like the full-on camera tests. Yeah. Do you remember anything about it? Mine wasn't a camera test, so it wasn't in costume. Okay. But I had to prepare two songs, Embraceable You and one other that I can't remember.

34:20Okay. And I went to a voice coach to learn to work on singing. And then I think there was a scripted part as well. So it was both a song and a scripted part. And the exercise was really fun. It was terrifying. I find auditions to be terrifying. Okay, sorry. This is going to be a therapy session. It's still to this day. I've never really gotten over it. Nor should you. It feels like it's such an artificial process. Again, it's very vulnerable. And I put a lot of pressure on myself. And if I have an audition coming, let's say it's a Friday, the Wednesday and Thursday are pretty shot. Yeah. Just in your own head.

35:02Just in my head, running it, preparing it. I can't really relax until the audition's over. Luckily, nowadays, it's self-tape. But it's funny. Yeah, totally. But I don't feel that way on set. I don't... It's a different thing, though. It is a different thing, and the scrutiny is different. There is no scrutiny, really. if you've gotten the role, it's because there's already belief in you. Yes. And you're there for a reason. That being said, the first day of any film or TV show, I do have that sort of like first day jitters and a little, and I don't know if it's imposter syndrome, but a little of like, well, oh, they could, they, this could go wrong.

35:39It's early enough. They can make change. I think every time in a very healthy, not like crazy neurotic way. This is the constant conversation on this podcast for 12 years. Don't worry. every actor worth their salt feels that. Yeah, I go through it every time. And it is a reset. Because the thing about making film, even if you've been doing it your whole life, is it's new every time. It doesn't matter. The resume does not matter. No, it doesn't matter because it's not the same experience. It's not the same expectations. It's not the same role. It's different every time. So you have to psych yourself up and get into that place again.

36:12And then every time I find it and I find my comfort zone and love the process. Well, it's also, you know... That first day is always true. Well, you know it happens. I mean, I literally named her up for a second. I talked to Ryan Gosling for the podcast yesterday. Did he say the same? Well, he famously... He gained 60 pounds for The Lovely Bones. Did he talk about it? A little bit, very briefly. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Oh, good on him, man. And I mean, imagine that. But that's also a really vulnerable thing to talk about. Like, and I love that. I love... I also love that he did that. I know it didn't work out famously.

36:45and there's, for whatever reason, but I also love the commitment and trying something and it failed and it didn't go in the right way. And I just think, and having the anxiety of like, am I the right person for this? And in that case, it made him make that choice and there's something. And he follows it up with Lars and the Real Girl and it's all fine. And goddamn, that movie's so great. Yeah, totally. This one feels not real. Did you ever audition for Batman Forever for Robin? No. It's out there somewhere. I don't know. Oh, that's funny. No, definitely not. I wouldn't have been old enough, I don't think.

37:19Yeah, the math didn't quite work for me. No. You're a bit younger than Chris O'Donnell, I think. Yeah, definitely younger. Like by maybe 10 years? Okay. Or maybe a little less? Briefly, I want to mention... I mean, I love the faculty. I know you love the faculty. I love the faculty, too. That must have been meaningful for a number of reasons. I mean, Robert Rodriguez was so hot then, he was coming off of some really big success... What was it? It was after... From Dust Till Dawn, probably? Dust Till Dawn would have been the movie he did before it, yeah. So he's as hot as he ever was. But also knowing your love of genre.

37:47Yeah. Was that probably the first kind of genre, horror-adjacent film maybe you did back then? It was. Yeah. And that was like not at the peak of teen horror, but it was definitely in that zone. Scream, Halloween. And Kevin Williamson wrote the original draft of The Faculty. Right, right, right. And maybe he was originally attached to the director. I don't know if that's true. But it was a thing, you know? There was like a thing happening. And I remember reading the script and thinking, this is one of those films. But then Robert was attached to direct. And I was like, this is, this changes. Not that I didn't like the script and what the script was doing, because I did.

38:30But knowing that he was going to be the one to put it on its feet felt like it would be a really fresh kind of film for that genre. And it was. And it was. It's fun also to think of like you, you're kind of the veteran in that group. Like Josh Hartman, I think it was like his second film, Jorana Brewster. It was like her first. Right. You're the veteran on set. You had more experience probably on set than Robert Rodriguez had at that point. That's so weird to think about. But it's true. That's wild. That film was really significant for all of us. And we had so much fun, man. It felt like summer camp.

39:03Yeah. For like four or five weeks. It was awesome. More Happy Say Confused coming up.

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40:16According to my notes, you were in something called Lord of the Ring. I don't know. I haven't seen it. Is that a good one? Should I check that one out? Lord of the Rings is all right. Okay. If I go into your home, can I see evidence of Lord of the Rings or is it all like in closets? In subtle ways. I don't have a lot of my works ephemera in the house. We have a lot of art and other things that I and my wife and I have collected. So there's those things that represent. Related to Lord of the Rings? No. Okay. No. Just in life. Just general stuff. Fair enough. But there is like a really rad oil painting of Orthanc that's about this small.

41:01That's above our coffee machine. And I love it. I love it so much. It reminds you every day. You see it. It's in an old kind of classic frame. It just looks like a miniature painting. And it's beautiful. Great oil painting. That like blink and you'd miss it. It's not, it doesn't like. Yeah. You don't have like a glowing display with like the feet anywhere. No, no. No, that's the only thing. And then there's, then you go to our kid's room and there's like stuffed animals that people have given me. So there's like Frodo is represented in there, in their space. And then there's some over the garden wall stuff.

41:36We've got an over the garden wall art piece hanging up in our guest room. Nice. Because I love that. Yeah. There was a really beautiful... There was a 10th anniversary last year? Yeah. Or the year before last. The year before last, it was the 10th anniversary. And they did an art show at a gallery in Los Angeles, and I bought an art piece that was really beautiful. I had the opportunity to have Sean Bean on the podcast a few months back. Oh, cool. Which was great. Because I've seen Sean in a long time. Yeah, I know. And he doesn't do that kind of thing. I was very honored that he did the long form.

42:05Oh, that's amazing. He was great. And he told a great story about his famous speech where he's looking down and talking. It's a very solemn speech. And he revealed that he was looking down because it had been rewritten at the last second and he was trying to summon the word. He didn't know the words. Oh, wow. Does that resonate with you at all? When you think back, was there any line or scene in particular that the language was so challenging that it tested you? not so much that the language was so challenging but i i that resonates with me that idea of the rewrites coming in at the last second they were constantly being rewritten and in the best way not in a kind of like panic way in a way of like honing constantly honing which was also largely what the process of pickups were right it's like watching the movie looking at what it needs, what's it missing, how can we enhance it?

43:04So that was a constant process of iterating and making it better. And so the rewrites were a big part of that. And it was just so common. Like, you know, we'd have like a pages slid under our door at midnight, and then we'd wake up and be like, Oh, fuck, there's a new, you know, so it was it was it was constantly staying on top of that. So So that idea that a speech like that, which is such an important thing, an important moment for the character, would have been something that they would have paid extra attention to. And that was a constant thing. It was a big part of our reality. Is there an example of a now iconic scene that you're like, oh my god, when I think back, it felt like last minute that we even came up with it or kind of nailed it?

43:52I wish I had a great example. Let me ask you this instead. All good. Yeah. What's your proudest moment in the film from an acting perspective? The films, rather. Is there a scene where you take pride in just from the sheer challenge for you as an actor, looking back, that you accomplished it? I mean, I think the entire sequence on Mount Doom as Frodo is just falling to pieces and is unable to sort of see clearly and is remembering the shire. and that the emotion that overtakes Sam with, you know, I can't carry the ring, but I can carry you. Like all of that was, we were so aware of how important that was.

44:34And so I have a visceral memory of the making of it and the sense of, you know, I think we had a sense that we had gotten it as much as you can in that moment. but the relief of having done it and then seeing the movie and seeing that it all worked in the way that you'd hoped, I think. So yeah. Pretty soon, I think Andy Serkis is going to be sitting there. Yes, he is. He's coming by, I think, for Animal Farm, which has been in the works for a while. Great. Yes, it has been. I've been so keen to see that. Same, same. I'm sure you're going to have to grill him about Hunt for Gollum. Oh, I didn't hurt.

45:11Is he making a Lord of the Rings movie? He certainly is. He is making a Lord of the Rings movie. you may or may not be in it, we'll dance around that, but all signs are pointing in the right direction, it would seem. Yes. I mean, we're all very curious of like, I'm very curious, like what this even is kind of, like trying to imagine. That's reasonable. How this fits in, how it honors the legacy, how it can possibly live up to what Peter did. I don't think it has to. Okay. I don't think it has to, because it doesn't bear the weight of the trilogy. It's not the trilogy. It's not those books. Yes.

45:43But it is certainly excerpts from the books. Yes. And it is characters from the books. And it is all canon. So I can say that. Right. It just doesn't, it is a side quest. It's a side story. I think it'll provide a lot of context for Gollum and an understanding of that character that we only got a bit of in the prologue. In Two, was it? I think in Two Towers, I think, where we see his transformation. So we'll get to, I think we'll, I don't think it's revealing much because I believe the premise has been released, but I think we'll get to see more of that. Yeah. And I think I really, I know that this was something that was super important to Andy, and I'm sure he'll talk about it, but like the why, the why of it.

46:30And I think they got to, they got excited at the notion of a nugget of a story, and then they had, and then they wrote it and realized that they had found the why. Like, why are we doing this? Well, this is why we're doing it. So it's filled with integrity. And it's also filled with, you know, the crew is largely the same. Certainly the larger creative team is essentially the same creative brain trust as the original film. So it's, you know, same production designers. It is the same makeup and hair team. Obviously, wet effects are doing all of the physical effects. so it really is like a coming together of the original team and then at Fran, Phil, Peter, they're all involved in the writing and producing and so it just yeah it's loaded with so many people who are a part of the making of the trilogy devoted to making sure that they get the world right and the context right and these characters do right by these characters and tell a really fun, compelling, great new story incorporating these characters.

47:37I'm also excited about Beyond the Returning Folks. And I say that as a fan. I'm genuinely stoked. I mean, it's a tough act to follow for someone to play Aragorn, but Leo Woodall, if that's true. Right. That is true. That is true. Those are tough boots, man. That is tough. I can't imagine. But that's going to be great. Maybe an Eternal Sunshine reunion, you and Kate Winslet, if rumors are true. Right. Well, she was announced. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, she was announced. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, oh, right. So if Frodo were to, right. Yeah, Frodo's gonna have a mustache, apparently. There's our exclusive.

48:15I think you'll appreciate this as a cinephile like myself. I do this with some guests. This is the Happy Second Fuse movie, Matrix. A bunch of just questions. You tell me what pops in your head. For instance, are you an alien or aliens guy? Alien. That tracks. I adore that film. Aliens is great. The best haunted house sci-fi movie ever. Absolutely. All practical effects. There's not even really much in the way of VFX in that film. So it really stands the test of time as well. Do you have a favorite comic book movie of all time?

48:49First thing that came to mind was Kick-Ass. That's a good one. Kick-Ass is really great. I remember seeing a really electric screening of that at Buttonumathon. Do you remember Buttonumathon? I never went sadly. I know. It was great. It was great back in those days. Yeah, I love Kick-Ass. There's plenty of others that I love, but I'll just go with that. Okay, that's a good one. Do you have a favorite, I don't know if you're a James Bond guy, favorite James Bond film of all time? Or James Bond actor, either way.

49:21God, Bond film. Majesty's Secret Service. Okay, yeah. A lot of people love Lazenby. Love that film. and you know Goldfinger is great in terms of like the classic but yeah I would say maybe my favorite Bond is Majesty's Secret Service it's great you'll have a cool one for this I think oh an additional comic book thing I would say just in terms of film or TV Lindelof's Watchmen series I was hoping you were going there is masterful. It's like, it is the dream of what you can do with a piece of IP like that. Yeah. And to take it where they took it and make something that isn't the comic, Yeah. but that carries on the lineage of what was established is just astonishing.

50:16The reveal of, and taking it to race relations in the States, it is just, and the score. I know. David Bowie, like, kicking it at the right moment with the reveal of Doctor Manhattan. Yeah. Love it. Obsessed. It's really incredible. What's the scariest movie ever made? You're equipped for this one. You got this.

50:39I find Begotten to be pretty terrifying and uncomfortable. But the movies that scare me are not out-and-out horror films. So, like, it's often the movies that are dealing with humans doing really heinous things to each other. I'm with you. It's like Funny Games. I was just going to say, Funny Games is a very uncomfortable watch. Yeah. Because it feels so damn real. It feels very real. And it's very nihilistic. There's nothing, there's no rhyme or reason to what's happening. Yeah. So, yeah. That movie. and Climax. Oh, I've never seen it. Oh, man. Gasper Noe's film? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know.

51:27It's a blast, and it is a descent into hell. Okay. Sold. It really, it starts out being this super fucking rad dance movie. Right. And it's based on a true story. I think he'd heard some, he'd read some news blurb about a group of people who got high and resorted to violence, like at a party or something. And he was so inspired by that that he wrote Climax. And it is that movie. It is that thing. It is like people that take something and they have like a psychedelic experience and it goes south. And it is really gnarly. Sold, sold. Yeah, it's fucked up. What's the funniest movie ever made? Oh, man.

52:19Well, in tribute to Rob Reiner, this is Spinal Tap. It's hard to pick favorites of all time. Yeah, I get it. I get it. But I think this is Spinal Tap established a genre that didn't exist prior to its creation. There was really nothing that set the standard for the idea of a mockumentary quite like that. Yep. But certainly Christopher Guest carried it on after making that film in such an extraordinary way. But that movie is perfect. And Rob's first film as a director. And then where his career went after that, watching that incredible tribute that Billy Crystal gave at the Oscars, just by literally articulating each film in a row is just such an astonishing series of movies that in many ways bear no relation at times where it's like miseries in the middle of that.

53:21I know. It's just an incredible... He made like seven classics essentially in a row. Yeah, in a row. Something like... I know. And they were all different genres. Yeah. He's like Billy Wilder essentially. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah. As a cinephile and a foodie, you're equipped for this. What's the go-to movie theater snack? What's your... Oh. Well, if I'm... I had an Alamo Drafthouse. Yeah, you can go a little... It's pickle spears. Okay. Yeah, it is fried pickles. Right. And then in general, popcorn. And for candy, I like Sour Patch Kids. Big Raisinets fan. I like throwing the Raisinets in the popcorn.

54:03A little salty A little sweet It's a good textural mix And I do like a movie hot dog Wow That's your You're a Brave Brave man Thank you That's the word you're looking for Or stupid I don't know Will you indulge me In one more rapid fire game? Please do Okay Happy second few Profoundly random questions For Elijah Wood Great Dogs or cats? Dogs But I do love cats But dogs Do you have dogs now? Yeah two dogs Nice It's the same I've only got one But she basically Takes up the space of two Amazing. What kind of dog? Big dog? She's a pit mix. Oh, yeah. Yeah, all muscle. Cool. What do you collect? Records, primarily.

54:41Yeah. Favorite video game of all time? Whoa.

54:50I mean, there's like nostalgic ones. Right. I remember Super Mario Land on Game Boy and beating it while I went. I was on location in Seattle, and I just remember beating it and being so thrilled and loving. And that theme song is like legendary to me. But favorite of all time, I mean, that's so hard. I would probably say it's going to be a LucasArts adventure game. Oh, yeah. Tim Schafer, I'm such a huge fan. I've gotten a chance to do voices for his games. He has Double Fine now. but he was a big instrumental part of my sort of teenhood so like the sequel to Maniac Mansion which was Day of the Tentacle the Monkey Island games Full Throttle I don't know if you remember Full Throttle Grim Fandango another one that I don't think he was a part of but Sam and Max Hit the Road These are all like LucasArts classic point-and-click adventure games.

55:56And I just, The Dig was rad, which Steven Spielberg produced. That's right. So if I was going to pick one, I'd probably say let's go with Monkey Island. That may have been my entry. I think my entry into that style of games was Curse of Monkey Island, I think, is the name of the first one. How are we feeling about Zack Greger and Resident Evil coming together? I feel great. I have the ultimate trust in that man as a filmmaker. I don't think he does anything that isn't through committing 100 % to integrity and doing things the right way. My understanding, too, is that it is not a straight adaptation of the game, which I think is really smart.

56:42It's like another idea and the game world is the background to that idea. is sort of the way it's been framed to me. And I just think that's super smart because you don't then have to bear the weight of the IP in that direct way, but the atmosphere of it becomes the tone of the film. Totally. So I'm thrilled, and I have the ultimate faith in him to deliver. Weapons is, I mean, as a follow-up film, shit, man, it's so unexpected and is not a straight horror film. It's almost like Rashomon. It's like seeing things from different angles, trying to decipher a mystery at the core. And then there's this whole witchcraft element that you then discover that's fucking awesome.

57:28The fact that Amy Madigan won the award is just a thrill. Another win for horror movies. And it just shows that that's where we're at. But yeah, I'm stoked for Resident Evil. The Dakota Johnson Memorial question. She asked me this. I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt? Bee in my butt? Bee goes inside your butt. Oh, in my butt. Right. Yeah, I don't want a mouth of bees. No. This is Dakota Johnson's. She came up with the question? Yeah. She's cruel. I love it. It's super fucked up. What's the wallpaper on your phone? It is the logo for Mutant, which is a company I'm a co-owner of.

58:13Okay. Yeah. Do you know what Mutant is? I don't. I'm sure you're familiar with Mondo. Yes. So the former creative directors of Mondo left Mondo. Right. And were looking for, they were at sea looking to like replatform or find jobs or ultimately try and find a way to stay together. And myself and Spectre Vision, as well as other colleagues, including Tim League from out in the Drafthouse and the original Mondo as well, gathered resources and replatformed them under Mutant. So it's collectibles, it's posters, it's movie soundtracks. Love it. Yeah. I'll check it out. So it's that logo is my wallpaper.

58:53The last actor you were mistaken for?

58:58Most recently, I think it was actually Tobey Maguire, which does still happen. And it's always for Spider-Man. It's not for any of Toby's other work. In what context? What do you mean? It's just, hey, Spider-Man. Like, no, no, no. They literally say, hey, Spider-Man? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. I won't correct people. Maybe they think you're actually Spider-Man, not Tobey Maguire. Maybe they like. Maybe you're right. Maybe I've got it wrong all this time. That's possible. I've been a lot of Spider-Mans too in the interim years. Right. Exactly. What's the end with this? The worst note a director has ever given you.

59:38Oh. The worst note. Ivan Reitman, and it wasn't in a movie that he directed, told me once in an audition that I was acting. Was this the kindergarten cop story? Yeah. That was a bummer. That was a bummer for me in that moment. But the worst note, I don't know. It's going to be something like... that lacks specificity. Right. Right? So just like do it better or... Yeah. I don't know. So you prefer more of like a very like practical kind of note? Yes. Do you prefer kind of like faster or an emotion or none of... I don't know. I mean, everybody has their own... Line readings? Where are you on that?

1:00:29It depends. Okay. Okay. It depends. You know, it's funny. I think there are some directors that have real specificity. And like working with them is to fit within the context of the thing that they're creating. Which I also love. Because I'm a part, if we're here, it's because we want to be a part of that thing. Not just have autonomy to do what we want to do. So I don't know. It's like I'm open to so many approaches. I'm not rigid in my approach or how I do what I do. I'm there in service of the thing. But I guess a bad note is just...

1:01:11And it really only just feels that way at the time, where you feel like you've done something, and someone comes up and repeats what you've just... The thing you've just done. That has happened. I've heard that one, yeah. That's it. Yeah. Where you have made... Wait a second, I just... Like you've made an adjustment, right? And you've consciously, for whatever, organically made an adjustment. and then someone coming up and asking you to make that adjustment has definitely happened. And I've always been, oh, yeah, sure, yeah. And then you just do the same thing. I just do the same thing. Or just lean into that adjustment more.

1:01:44But I guess that's the only thing. But otherwise, I think, you know, as long as you're being led by somebody that knows what they want and how to articulate it, you know. He's malleable. David Fincher, Zach Kregor, you can direct him however you want. congratulations ready or not to here I come thank you that is the film check it out everybody yeah it's rad if you liked the first film you'll love this film it's a blast super fun congratulations on everything thank you fatherhood spectra vision in that order I was going to say not in that order in that order I think of importance yes it's good to see you man thanks for stopping by thanks for having me appreciate you anytime and so ends another edition of happy sad confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

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