Josh Brolin, Vol. II

24:26We were reminiscing about Sicario, yeah, and famously just him like stripping away so much, and like what a genius move that was because the power of that guy without words. Without words.

24:38Josh Brolin:It's everything. All he needs to do is, and you have to exploit. And then when you've been around long enough, like me and Benicio worked together the first time when we were 19 years old, and a thing called, it was a series, yeah, it was called Private Eye. It was Barrio Nights. It was a two-episode arc. I think it's in the scene. He's in the middle of the scene, and he starts hitting something. We're all taking ourselves so seriously, and there's no objectivity. Whereas now, it's like there's technique, and there's objectivity, and I can utilize myself in this way, and I think this lends to the story better.

25:14Josh Brolin:You start to think of it more from a few steps back. You mentioned Benicio, and knowing him from way back when. Who were like your contemporaries early on that you were going up against for roles, going, you know, talking acting, talking shop? Was like Sean back then? No, Sean was somebody we all looked up to. He was already there. Sean and Mickey. Like I just had dinner with Sean and Nolte. And a couple of other people. Nolte the voice. It was great. And Sean was saying, very openly, was saying, it's so funny because sean really became an actor when nolte did a rich man poor man yeah and said that's what i want to do and sean was saying he was like 20 at the time and he was saying i've got time because nolte didn't really hit until he was like 40 i think he did rich man poor man when he was 38 or 39 right around the same time that i did no country so sean had all this time and then And then suddenly these younger movies started coming out and then it was like, that was it.

26:18Josh Brolin:So then Fast Times and then Bad Boys and all that. And then I was looking up to Sean. So you have this table where I've done, I think two or three movies with Nolte. I've done two movies with Sean. And you know, now it's like one big happy dysfunctional friendship. Nolte is on that continuum for me. He's like that Gene Hackman level of like without a false note. I've never heard anything come out of his mouth. That's ever even though he's talking like this

26:49What

26:54He did the podcast many years ago and told like an insane Terrence Malick story that I feel like I only understood 40 % of but even it just the growl didn't matter It's the whole thing.

27:03Josh Brolin:Yeah, if you're being growled out. It's a good thing So so who were the ones that were getting the roles Ruffalo? Okay Ruffalo was a contemporary, but you know, going through his own thing, Benicio. But I remember like, God, man, I read for, oh, wait, bear with me. Why that? It was Benicio and Meg Ryan. Benicio? No, no, sorry. Denzel Washington and Meg Ryan. Oh, yeah, Courage Under Fire. Courage Under Fire was Ed Zwick. Yeah. So I read for it. I remember going in and reading for that room and they were like, Hey, thank you. Thank you for coming in. And I begged to get back in that room. I used every possible tool, person, whatever to get, because I was like, I know that role.

27:54Josh Brolin:Was this the Matt Damon role? It wasn't the Matt Damon role. It was, I'll tell you. And then, and I walked back, I got somebody to get me back in that room and I walked in and I knew immediately, like there was no way. It was impossible. I was a nobody. I wasn't a good actor maybe or whatever and they walked in and they go hey You know and they're like I said is there anything you know I went through it once and it's anything else you want me to do they're like no Thank you though so much and it was Lou Diamond Phillips that got it yeah and you know And I love Lou, but I was super bummed because I was like You know it didn't you know there were Ruffalo's in my mind or Benicio's in my mind and then Lou was a little And then, you know, you have your kind of echelon of people.

28:42Josh Brolin:And I was somewhere down here, you know. I was like an afterthought. Our last podcast conversation, you intimated there was like one role that you kind of regretted turning down in recent years. And I finally figured it out because you mentioned it was Inuit Ritu. So it was the Edward Norton role in Birdman, right? So is that something where, like, what's your relationship to that film because of turning down? I love that film. You're able to kind of disassociate and still. Right. And immediately, man, if somebody, I mean, this happens all the time. Yeah. It's like, you know, milk was supposed to be Matt.

29:13Josh Brolin:Right. Right. So it's like it happens all the time. And you don't even think twice about it. But Deadpool 2 was supposed to be Brad. When I walked into the office, I saw drawings of Brad everywhere. You know, they didn't even hide them. No. Jurassic Park was supposed to be me. Pratt walked in there and he saw drawings of me everywhere. So it doesn't matter. It's part of the deal. But when I saw Edward in that role, he's perfect. He kills it. He kills it. So that was one of those things where I go, because I had done the table reading, and it was funny. And then I pulled out because I went and saw my son in Thailand.

29:52Josh Brolin:So I know why I pulled out. I wouldn't change it even today. But I would have liked to have done that movie. And I love Inuit too. I think he's amazing. Yeah, you always bring him up. It sounds like you're one of those ones. I think he's amazing. Yeah, and I think that's probably it because I see him on the street in Venice and all that and he goes I'm done. I'm very happy that Tom Cruise is working with right now that Thomas that's exciting. Yes We love Tom in the mission movies. I want to see Tom in something like that dude. I saw Tom recently at CinemaCon, you know, and he's so like, you know Hey, man, how you doing?

30:23Josh Brolin:You know, it's like you're gonna make another one are too yes 19 it's gonna be amazing and be hanging off a thread and the thing in the sky and the thing, I'm going to jump 127 ,000 feet. You're like, great. But you forget that Tom was born on the 4th of July. Oh, I don't forget. I don't forget either. Color of money. Working with the best. As film fanatics, he was so inspiring when we were young. So he was somebody that we looked up to. I always say, you look at the first 10, 15 years of his career and the way he selected filmmakers, It was like Sidney Pollack, Scorsese, Stone. It was just, he ran through everybody.

31:02Josh Brolin:He was a big influence for me, just like you say, going for the, like, once you have the opportunity, after doing No Country, you just say, I just want to work with great filmmakers. Yes, but do you want that much money? Right. And you could work for, and you're like, I really do want that much money. I really do. I could utilize it well. I'm good with business and all that kind of stuff. But if I take it, I know it's the only money that I'll get. So I'm going to go take this way, way, way less money, but way better job, way better filmmaker. And it does. And I know that Tom Cruise had a major impact on me in that way.

31:40Speaking of major money, Thanos, the Avengers films. That's my segue. That's my drugged up segue. Was there a moment or more early on where you're like, is this really going to work? Are they going to buy the purple guy on screen? Like, I mean, I'm delivering the best I can, but this is also a lot of artisans need to make this.

32:03Josh Brolin:No, because there's a level of absurdity that I enjoy so much that it goes back to, and I've said it a million times, but it goes back to like black box theater. When you have no money and you're pretending that this thing is a gun. Right. You know, and you're just like, no, do it. And if you have enough conviction, it actually people will start to think it's a gun. Yeah. um and and there was a level of that where they would even because they were afraid it was going to get out give us a phony scene and then give us the real scene when we get there which to me is like hell yeah because i can't prep i can't this i'm thinking about the lines and all this kind of stuff but it all worked out and by the way that was supposed to be uh um what do you call it a like a cameo it was supposed to be when it was first brought to me i was doing the everest movie And I was in London and they brought me this huge Bible and they were like, you know, it's just little thing and it's going to be, you know, in it for like 10 minutes or something.

33:02Josh Brolin:And then it turned and then they changed it and turned into this whole thing. But no, I really that was one movie. And I've said it Deadpool 2. I was like, you know, I'm glad it was one experience. Right. You know, the Thanos thing, if they called me in London right now and said, let's do this, I'd be like, I'll be there tomorrow. I mean, are you in contact? Obviously, Downey is back. We're excited to see what he does with Doom. Do you stay in touch with Downey, the Russos? Are you abreast of what we're doing? I talk to Downey probably four to six times a year. I talk to the Russos probably four to six times a week.

33:35Josh Brolin:I mean, I talk to Joe a lot, a lot. I mean, we have a business that we're doing together and all this kind of stuff, but I love them. I love both of them. I think they're amazing. So it wouldn't be a tough proposition. I mean, obviously, you don't want to go back and do a lesser version. You went out on such a great note, but like you have confidence in these guys if they come up with something that makes sense. Of course they're going to come up with something really fun. I mean, who knows? Yeah. Who knows? That was a 10-year-in-the-building kind of thing, and, you know, that was its own kind of book-ended deal.

34:04Josh Brolin:And I don't know what they're going to do, but I'm sure it'll be interesting. I think they do that very, very, very well. Yeah, also just the fluidity of the scripts. Like, I mean, again, as an actor, you were just saying this, like prep is everything. Everything. So like Endgame and Infinity, like the scripts were, I don't know how, if they were ever locked. I don't think so. I don't know. But you were never handed like, here, Josh, is your script for these two films. Ever. I never knew. And I did Deadpool in the middle of it. So I would leave. That's a lot of chaos. Like I would be a little fat during one.

34:41Josh Brolin:And then I'd leave and then I got in really good shape. And then I'd come back with a different haircut and all that. and then I'd finish that scene and we'd do things over that didn't necessarily work the first time. Do you have any specific memories of the final confrontation with Downey when you murdered poor Iron Man? Yeah, I remember the late Jimmy Rich, who was a really close friend of mine, who was Downey's right-hand guy, who's not around anymore, got in an accident, handing off nicotine gum. I remember Downey would do this, and Jimmy Rich would be there with a piece of naked Jimmy Gump.

35:17Josh Brolin:That's what I remember about the end. I don't know. And I remember I was in my thing. It's like there's a couple of times that I remember putting my hand on Downey's head. Super uncomfortable. Little sexual. And then there was another moment where I was with Zoe and, you know, I wore the back piece where the Thanos head is way, way up, which is how tall he would be. so she had to look at that during the scene kind of an emotional scene and I had to look at her crotch so she's looking at that and I'm looking at that this is why they pay you the big bucks commitment that's for technical shut it all out if only Ed Zwick had used it when he could have I can play to Denzel's crotch if you need me to Exactly.

36:05Totally. Totally. Anyway. You haven't done theater in a while. And you did True West here about 25 years ago. Was it 25? Yeah, it was 25. 2000. Yeah, 2001. Which is a very famous production, of course. Phil Hoffman, John C. Reilly, Ewan. I never know how to pronounce his name. I love him. Elias Koteas. Koteas. Is there some kind of unfinished business of going back to theater? I mean, you have so many opportunities right now.

36:32Josh Brolin:If I didn't have young kids, you know, Scott Rudin, I talked to once in a while. It was asked of me recently if I wanted to do something. And I know, and I don't say this with conceit, but I say it with, I know if we wanted to do something. I just saw Clooney do his thing. I was very moved by it. I thought he did a great job.

36:57Josh Brolin:But why? Right. for the theater, like if it's a great piece, and especially if it's a new piece, you know, I had just written a play and Patricia Arquette did the reading of the play just to hear it. And it was so great to be in that position to be able to hear a play on a very kind of a naked raw level that wasn't, you know, the it play or the this or that. So, you know, if I went and did To Kill a Mockingbird, I'd go, well, Jeff Daniels just did that. Right. That's that's that was great for him. And it had been a while since it had been done. You know, if we do streetcar or something, it's like, do we have to do that?

37:38Josh Brolin:Do we need another? Yeah, we need a new and there's a couple of them. Downey did that play, which I thought was really good. But is it necessary? No. Well, it's also I think for many actors, it's kind of a proving ground at different stages of their life. and if anything the last 15 years has been this continuous like proving the Josh Brolin can work at the top level and like you have nothing left to prove. Well that's that's the thing and I don't it's not that I don't feel that I have nothing left to prove but I like the idea of proving that you can do more than one or two good movies in a trajectory of a career.

38:12Josh Brolin:Right. If you have discipline. Yeah. And if you work with the right people and if you think about, you know, it sounds so lame, but like representing, you know, the human condition appropriately. If you don't drink the Kool-Aid and become too much of a movie star and start living in a bubble and you're like, how are you representing the everyman when you have five Porsches at home? Two at most. You know, two at most. Like I get two. You need the backup in case You need five. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And why are the colors so, why do you need baby blue? You know what I mean? Yeah. And, you know, if you're a rock star, fine.

38:53Josh Brolin:That's like part of the thing. But you're representing something that I find that when you get it right, even something as crazy as weapons, that when you look at how we get my character, not that I'm going to take it back to weapons again and again and again. you have a guy who's like you know typical manual masculinity yeah I don't moat with my son I don't this I'm a man man I have me in construction I build things and then you take that thing that's essential to that guy away and watch him start to break down and he's can't control anything he's trying to control why aren't you doing your job why did this word my kid yeah and then Then by the end, he breaks.

39:44Josh Brolin:And then he realizes that this thing that was essential to him and what it really does mean to him and allows him to just be present and emotional. I mean, there's also an analogy as just an actor of like giving up control. Like you think you have control. You kind of alluded to this earlier. It's like you can control your side of the street, your performance, but the nature of the medium is you're a piece in the puzzle. That's it. I just wrote that yesterday to my dad. I go, you're a small piece of that alchemy of how something turns out. And if you get together with somebody with real vision, and that's the connection between like Guillermo del Toro back then or Zach Krager now or some people who I've tried and it hasn't worked.

40:28Josh Brolin:You know where you go, you see the movie and you go, huh, really? Bummer. You know, I wanted that to be better. It could have been better. It was set up to be better. person did as good as they could have at this moment but it didn't it doesn't land like it does weapons lands yeah i mean to me you can put all the pieces in place you can work with paul verhoeven and happen to be in the paul verhoeven movie that's not the great paul verhoeven movie it's just you know what i mean yeah exactly that's what i'm saying call me out you know it just is what it is that's not a dumb walk no but it is which is probably why we fought during that movie and I have a lot of respect for Paul Verhoeven, one of the smartest filmmakers I've ever worked with.

41:13Josh Brolin:I mean, truly one of the smart, you know, he's a mathematician, he's a professor, he was all this stuff. But that fucking movie, dude. And I, by the way, this is Hollow Man for the record. Hollow Man for the record. Seven months of that shit. And then, and I just worked with Elizabeth Shue, that's funny, on Whaleful. But she played my wife. so we're doing that movie and we have these goggles on with this like you know red film on it or whatever to make it look like their x-ray or whatever and then we're watching invisible monkeys pass us and and we finish the scene and kevin looks at me and he goes you got some chops i was like what the fuck like we're watching invisible monkeys pass us what do you mean chop for what?

42:01Josh Brolin:Based on what? And I didn't say anything. I was like, thanks man. He believed you were looking at Invisible Monkeys. He bought your own conceit. I was just happy to have the job. And by the way, I know the only reason I got that job, because I read for that job and I didn't get it, was the fact that everybody else turned it down. Everybody was like, nah. I was like, I'll do it. I'll do it. And I did it. do you like a little friction with the director you worked with oliver stone verhoeven's like that sometimes that can elicit something i don't i don't yeah i'm not you know there's other people that are known for it but i'm not i just want to know you if you don't have a solid vision yeah then i probably will be a little surely yeah not curmudgeonly but just actively surly do you know what I mean like you know Oliver Oliver and I almost got into it in the beginning because I wanted to look at the monitor at something just so I could see if it was if we were on or not but Oliver and I got along great Verhoeven and I fought in a big way yeah for good reason I thought you know yelled a couple of extras and I didn't like that but you know I mean all forget stuff that I would talk about now I really appreciate these people do I need do I need friction no Like Denis and I have no friction.

43:19Josh Brolin:Right. You know, we're super close, but I also know Denis has come on the set, which I appreciate when it gets a little undisciplined and he'll get angry. Oh, that's interesting. I was going to just say, like, I can't imagine him raising his voice. It's not even him raising his voice. It's like working with Rian Johnson recently. Another sweet seeming. Super sweet and a guy who you constantly want to impress. Yeah. I don't know how he does it, but there's this thing where you're like, I'm just slightly afraid of you. Interesting. And it's a good thing. Well, he's also someone, I do want to talk about some of the upcoming stuff.

43:55So you worked on Wake Up Dead Man. I think on our last conversation, you talked up Daniel Craig. So I can see why you would want to work on this one. Ryan, who just locks in those scripts so tightly. And then you get to work with this amazing ensemble. is there a joy in kind of being like one of ten great actors in something like that and again being a puzzle piece for Rian Johnson?

44:19Josh Brolin:Yeah I mean yes and that was one of those no brainers because you know if you go oh I love the first film I didn't like the second film so much and whatever it is you know the scripts are still really good it's all there to be had. Glenn I had just worked with on Brothers and I love I fell in love with her. Mila I've always had like a crush on I don't know anybody who hasn't Daniel I've always wanted to work with Josh Charles Josh sorry Josh O 'Connor Renner who I've known for you know all these people but it was a great role and my wife reminded me you know she said do you remember that like a year ago you said god I want to play like a priest or something and then bang you know a year later at Manifest.

45:03Josh Brolin:It was a really, really well-written role. That was one of those roles that I wasn't sure if I could pull off, and that was a good feeling.

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46:31Josh Brolin:It's very good. It is. It's very good. It's super good. I don't know if you, I haven't read Dune Messiah, the book, but Gurney isn't in that book that much as far as I've read. Yeah. In the movie too. Oh no. No, I'm in it, but. You're in it. I am. Okay. Yeah. I'm not there right now. Okay. I've gotten texts by people who are also in it who apparently haven't read the script or only read their parts, which I don't understand because that's why I reached out to Denis. I was like, why are all these people think like, hey, are you here yet? Yeah. Have you read the script? Like, are we going to go to the bathhouse in Budapest?

47:08I'm like, dude, read the script.

47:12Josh Brolin:Like, do your job. But this feels like a worthy conclusion to this trilogy? Oh, in a big way. In a big, big way. And I just talked to, you know, one of the heads of Warner Brothers, and they're very, very excited and in a visceral way. It's good. Yeah, I said something like, I heard dailies are really good. And he goes, how do you know? Well, I'm good. Because I know. What do you think about him doing Bombed? I think it's great, man. Come on. You know, there was talk of that a long time ago when we were doing, I think, Dude 2. And it was this over here somewhere. The fact that he's doing it, I think, is really fun.

47:50Josh Brolin:Look, you know this. He's one of my favorite guys. He's one of my favorite filmmakers. And it's like, oh, don't ruin it by doing, you know, you're going to do, why would you do three dudes right and why not like that's that's his thing he does yeah that's his passion yeah so he beats to his own drum and i love anybody who beat to their own drum when i when i spoke to benicio he seemed to have some hope for another sicari with you emily i don't know if tini would be involved or not like i mentioned at some point i don't know maybe just to be contrary i was like yeah that's never gonna happen and and and then and then the producer showed up and Molly and you know that's not true which is fine and then I just heard recently that it's very very real okay so cool you think with Denis do we know that don't know that okay I honestly don't know that okay yeah um running man we're gonna probably talk for that one in a few months Edgar Wright visual stylist locked in super again another one I feel like you're connecting you know the infinity stones of directors another one there's edgar wright um good experience amazing and and glenn powell i i love i mean really really appreciate him yeah like he's talking about a guy that's like focused knows what like the tom cruise approach like work with great filmmakers movie star actor but a smart guy and then you look at that series that he did you're like oh he can act right do you know what i mean yeah yeah so that that's exciting to me there's a new echelon of actors, whether it's Glenn, whether it's Chalamet, whether it's Austin Butler, Jacob Elordi, a lot of these people that I've worked with who I really, really enjoy because it feels like there was a moment there where actors were just only interested in being famous.

49:40Josh Brolin:Yeah. You know, and it was really depressing. And you go back to like me and Benicio and Mark and all that, where we were studying with Stella Adler and we were like in it, we were in it, You know, you do a scene just to do it. You get together with people on the weekends and read through plays and you were in it. Yeah. You know, you were up against each other in a hallway and listening to this and you were competing with the person, but you were friends with the person and you didn't want them to get it. But you did want them to get it. You know what I mean? All that stuff. So I feel like there's a new echelon of actors that have kind of gone back to this guttural, visceral play.

50:18Well, I love that. I've referenced this a couple of times in the recent podcast. I love Chalamet's like, I think it was a SAG acceptance speech where he talked about like, I want to be one of the greats. Like I, like I aspire, like there's only wrong to have like ambition to be great at what you do. Yeah, it's true.

50:34Josh Brolin:And back then we all we all used to downplay the acting and look, what do you do? I'm an actor like I'm embarrassed, but you still want it to be the best. You wanted the biggest challenge. You wanted to do the thing that stuck out. You wanted to be the anomaly. You wanted to you didn't want to be, you know, a movie star, right? That was for other people that couldn't act. And then you fell into being a movie star, too. Life is strange that way. But harder to say no to James Cameron or being Green Lantern. James Cameron. Like, I heard Green Lantern. I know it's Kyle Chandler and Paula Patton, who I did a pilot with, Antoine Fuqua, with Paula Patton, who I love.

51:22Josh Brolin:Yeah. And I'm super excited to see it. So that's the thing that you were talking about before. Like, can you remove yourself, dissociate? and I can't wait to see it. I can't, because I love Kyle Chandler. I think he's solid. He's fantastic. The James Cameron thing, that's kind of like the Deadpool thing. That was before the Deadpool thing. And it was like, I don't want to do this right. I don't want to take a year and a half out and do this. Yeah. But then Thanos comes up and you go, yes, immediately, because I'm not part, I'm not part of the system. I'm over here. I'm this anomaly that comes in and I'm purple and I have a ball sack for a chin and like, Count me in.

52:02Music to my ears. Count me in. I'm in. So that was the Avatar sequel, to be clear. This is way back when. This isn't the first Avatar like 15 years ago.

52:11Josh Brolin:Oh, yeah. It was the first Avatar. Yeah. Wait, was it the lead? Was it Sam's role? No. Okay. It was Stephen Lang, who I knew, and I was very happy for him. He's amazing in it. He's amazing in it. He's perfect. So it happened exactly like it should have. Got it. I'm a big believer in things happen like they should. Okay, I'm gonna end with two things. I've been doing this with actors, including Benicio, recently. This is cruel, but I'm gonna do it for you. Okay. When you have a great filmography, I want you to choose, we're gonna do round robin style. You're gonna choose your best film in your career.

52:40So I'm gonna pit some against each other. Okay. This is just gut. Yeah. Okay, so No Country versus Dune. What do you choose? No Country. Okay. Avengers, Goonies.

52:51Josh Brolin:If I had been in Chalamet's role, maybe I'd say something different. Okay, fair enough. Okay, so we're gonna mark that. Avengers or Goonies, what do you choose?

53:01Goonies. Okay. Dune or Sicario? Oh, wait, I did Dune already. Let's do W. Let's do W or Sicario.

53:10Josh Brolin:Sicario. Okay. And then finally, milk or flirting with disaster? Milk. I love flirting though. Now they go up against each other. So it's no country versus Goonies. Oh, I see what's happening. Yeah, no country versus Goonies. Yeah, no country. Okay. And then we have Sicario versus Milk. Fuck.

53:38Josh Brolin:Sicario. Nah, versus Milk? Nah, Sicario. Okay, and for all the marbles, no country or Sicario, what's it going to be? No country or Sicario. No country. There you have it. There you go. I could have just, I could have just, yeah. We could have circumvented that whole thing. I mean, that was a special. Sicario never would have happened had it not been for no country. True. True. Okay, and then we finally end with the happy second piece profoundly random question. Some rapid fire for you, Josh. Dogs or cats? Dogs. What do you collect? Children. Do you have a favorite video game of all time? Robotron.

54:24The Dakota Johnson Memorial Collection, she asked me this, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt? A mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt? Yeah.

54:33Josh Brolin:Why do you say it like it's a weird question? I have a bee in my butt right now. A mouthful of bees. Wow, you're in the minority. Yeah, I don't like anything in my sphincter. I just did whale fall, which is about four different sphincters, and I was consumed by sphincter talk. Okay, save it for that press tour. We'll get there. What's the wallpaper on it? Save it for that. The sphincter talk. Save it for that press tour. What's the wallpaper on your phone? The wallpaper. My wife. Nice. Last actor you were mistaken for?

55:07Last. Has it ever happened? Someone says, oh. No, I know.

55:11Josh Brolin:You want this rapid fire. No, it's okay. It's okay. Last actor?

55:18Josh Brolin:Even back in the day, was there someone you used to always get confused for? Yeah, Matt Dillon. Okay. Yeah, but that's a long time ago. Oh, Brad Pitt all the time.

55:33Josh Brolin:They go, Brad. I go, no, it's Josh from No Country. But they always think I'm Brad. No, I would have predicted that. What's the worst note a director has ever given you? Why is that a joke? It's not a joke. It's not a nice joke. Everyone stop laughing. What was the next question? Worst note a director has ever given you. Mmm. It's something like, this is, if you get an Academy nomination, this will be the scene. Why do you? Ugh. Ugh. If anybody tries to get me to do a job and they say this, this is going to get nominated, I'm out. Nope. I'm out. And in the spirit of happy second fuse, an actor who always makes you happy.

56:26You see them on screen. You're instantly in a better mood. Oh, that's a good question. Emily Blunt. Yeah, great.

56:34Josh Brolin:I would say. Movie that makes you sad, always. Makes me sad? Yeah. But in a good way. However you want to take it. Ah, 21 grams. Back to Inaritu. Fucking super good movie, man. That's one of those movies that you tell people. It's almost like Dead Man Walking. you go, oh my God, you have to see this movie. And then people call you afterwards and they go, why did you want me to see that movie? See Requiem for a Dream. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. But that's a different kind of sadness, though. Like, what's a movie that makes you sad, that makes you cry? I mean, I think of, like, terms of endearment.

57:13I think of, you know, people always talk about the Pixar films. Iron Giant makes me cry. animated films can do that my iron giant and a food that makes you confused josh roland you don't get

57:27Josh Brolin:it why do people eat that there's a dessert and i love sugar but there's a dessert it's like a jello top but it's not jello it's like and they're always super red okay so it's like a custard and then there's like a a layer of red and i never understood those i don't like them i don't want I want them in my mouth. It's kind of fun because I just did a thousand mile ride on Harley, on Harley, on old vintage choppers with a bunch of guys and we stopped at this hotel and it turns out that it's the hotel that The Shining was based on. Right. Up in Yosemite. Yup. And they had that dessert. Did you partake?

58:08Josh Brolin:No, fuck no. Get that thing away from me. None of that dessert in his mouth. None of those bees in his butt. but off limits. Stay away from my butthole. I don't know how we ended there, but we'll end with this. Weapons is a great movie. Zach Kregor is a talent. You are as well. This is well worth checking out. It's horror, but it's a lot of other things too. And yeah, that audience reaction is authentic. I had the same thing in my smaller theater. Congratulations, man. Thanks, buddy. Thanks for the time. Thank you. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad. confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts.

58:52I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pressured to do

58:56Josh Brolin:this by Josh.

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