Marc Maron, Vol. II

29:06It's its own lane. Yeah. But there are guys that see it as a job. Yeah. And there are guys that see it, you know, and I know it's a job, but I think more like an artist than, you know, than a guy who's got a job as an entertainer. Refill the pail just to do it. Yeah. Because, like, why do that? Like if there's no risk or there's no challenge or there's no, you know, sense of like discovery, like there are lines in this special that came to me days before. So I keep it fluid, you know, and everybody's sure they punch stuff up or they find. But for me, it doesn't start on the paper, really. Like, you know, these things are delivered to me in moments on stage that somehow or another, because of the way I do it, I leave space open for that to happen.

29:54for there to be improvisation and for there to, you know, because I'm counting on my punchlines to be delivered from wherever in a moment and eventually they arrive. Sometimes it takes years for some things. I leave things that open-ended. I wish I was more just a writer guy. But like if I write something down and, you know, you write the punchline and then you perform the joke, it's almost like I just did it. Look, here's a live math equation. Yeah. Enjoy. So there were lines, and I think one of the best lines in the special came days before. You know, and it just happened. And then a tag came in that same zone a few days before.

30:34I had a tag in there before that. It was okay. But then one just came that, like, nailed it. And I'm like, okay, well, that's how I work. So it's hard to count on that in a way where it's like, you know, we've got to have this thing next week. I'm like, well, okay. Something will come, but it might not be what I like. Yeah, but when they do, and they usually do, even in a situation like this, that's what makes it kind of exciting. It's, you know, and then the process of molding it all. So to answer your question, I don't know, you know, how it ultimately unfolds, you know, in terms of what I'm going to do creatively.

31:13In the future, you know, it looks like I'm going to have to be in a TV show for as long as they need me to be. but the uh but like i've been playing some music and i don't look to i don't look at that as you know a second profession or like it was something i always wanted to have confidence in doing in front of people and you know i've been doing shows on and off for the last few years with different musicians performing at largo and stuff and the other the other last week i had kind of a breakthrough in that and you know in being able to kind of be present in my whole self to to sing and play with a group of people.

31:50And that was very exciting and, you know, a kind of major creative breakthrough for me. So I'm still open to all that. But I needed to be, you know, to evolve. And you're going to have more space for that. I mean, WTF is a time suck. I mean, as someone that does two podcasts a week, I actually understand very well the cadence of what you do. And I'll say this for the record. I've said this to you before. I mean, no podcast, honestly, has been more influential to me. I mean we have different styles, but like the way you do it, I so admire. Is it sunk in yet that it's over, that it's going to be over?

32:25I mean this is a life change. This is not a career change, this is a life change. Yeah, it's like it's sunk in in the sense that I have to, you know, I've given, you know, Brendan, my producer and I, Brendan McDonald, you know, we knew it was coming. So we've kind of set it up so we can sort of, you know, have the time to process it. Yeah. And, you know, what comes next is that's a whole other thing. You know, I don't I have a hard time thinking, but I don't even know what, you know, what my schedule is for tomorrow right now. I mean, I kind of do, but like I don't. But I have had to think about taking care of myself in light of more than the job going away.

33:05It's just the what I get out of, you know, the conversation with people and how much of that is part of my kind of social and emotional. and psychological life, these conversations. Because they are genuine, they are in the moment, and they do kind of, they're engaged, candid conversations with people that range from very deep to entertaining to whatever. But it is an ingrained part of my social life. So I have to figure out how am I gonna get that after the podcast. So you don't hide in the garage from society. You need to actually get that. Right, so I don't isolate and get too much in my head.

33:45But there are support systems that I have and maybe expand my social life a little bit. But there is definitely part of me that is ready to not be done with the time suck, because that just becomes second nature, but the emotional exhaustion of engaging my day-to-day life in a full-hearted way and then kind of immersing myself in the people I'm talking to in the way that I do it, you know, as deep as find a portal to find a way to kind of engage in a deep level, you know, that process does deplete you after a certain point. And, you know, Brendan is also exhausted because he's also very, you know, meticulous and all into his process as an audio producer.

34:37And we talk to just about everybody. And ultimately, it just comes down to you don't want to kind of have to get to a point where you're autopiloting any of that. For what? You know, we did good. And we've done good. And by stopping it, you kind of guarantee it is looked at as a body of work as opposed to this refillable content that people have grown to rely on. And you just kind of sleepwalk through because you can.

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37:04One of the remarkable things that struck me, especially watching this doc, I mean, the last nearly 2 ,000 episodes, these 16 years, they're a chronicle of your life, too. You put yourself so much into this show. If you go back and listen, you hear friendships being formed, friendships being broken apart, you meeting Lynn. It's kind of an amazing audio diary of your life. Well, that was always the show, and that's always the way Brendan saw it. Like, you know, despite the fact that other people saw it as an interview show or whatever, Brendan saw it always as a show about me. And that works because that's also the way I interview.

37:43So it is that. And the thing that becomes challenging about that is that when you're monologuing twice a week about your life, you know, sometimes not a lot happens between Monday and Thursday. day. And then there's this idea of like the parts of me that I want to share, you know, like, you know, what is comedic? What is intense? You know, what is my brain doing? Like there's some parts of that, if you're not careful, that will stop you from evolving or letting yourself really be who you are, which might be quieter. If you're yammering about you all the time, you know, it does, it's hard to share the quieter spaces or whatever things about me have shifted or changed, because I do get into a level of panic about things and intensity.

38:34But it does get to a point where we've all grown through this together, and now I've landed in this place that I'd like to keep for myself. Is it, I mean, watching that doc, I mean, it's honestly emotional for me. in an audience, I think watching and listening to that conversation with Lynn, for instance. Oh, yeah. I can only imagine for you, I don't know if you'd listened back to it since then, but I assume you've watched the doc, so is that especially a thing to listen to? What, the one I did after she died? No, the original. That, too. But, like, even just, like, hearing, like, how you met, essentially.

39:09I think that was how you met on the 2015 episode, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, both, obviously, are hugely, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's hard. you know you got to choose to to let that in i mean i can hear it and and and be like oh yeah but like to to frame it in what happened or the arc of our relationship yeah it's a lot but like i i i can i can handle it you know and um yeah there's a lot in that doc that that's kind of uncomfortable for me but but you know processing grief and then you know holding the line on you know how much you want to engage with it you do get a certain amount of control over that like if I let myself I can go into the the deeper sadness but you know I just live with that you can't live in that yeah over the years I would imagine I mean like you made the choice repeatedly I would think over the years never to do video like some of us have done for the podcast.

40:09I would imagine there were so many offers to turn it into a TV show of some sort. Was it tough to, at any point, did you go down, almost go down another road with what WTF was going to be? No, by the time the podcast picked up speed, those shows were already sort of contracting, as we know. The late night show was dying. But there was never any major offer to do an interview show. And because of the nature of the media landscape, it's like, what offer are you going to make me that's going to be better than what I'm already doing? Yeah, you have full creative control. Yeah, it's a good audience.

40:48And the video thing is just that we are, it's an audio podcast and we're audio guys. So we it wasn't not meeting the market or blowing anything or they should have done this or that It's not what the show was. Yeah, and and I believe that audio is still the most effective kind of mode for intimacy totally and If we there was never ever discussion about going video even when everyone else is going video was not You know, so you want to set up your own kind of sort of public access looking situation or you know, put a little money into it and make it look like a, you know, kind of a well-produced public access situation.

41:32And you want to sit there on video with big clunky SM7s and headsets. It's like, whatever. It's all just lowering the bar for everything. Last guest, it's Galger's Ghost. It's Jon Stewart's. Do you have, is it locked in how you're going to end this show? No, it's not locked in. I assume it'll be just me. Really? Yeah, unless Obama wants to come on. Pop by for a row. Yeah. I mean, that's probably the only guy that could make us have a guest on the last show. On the acting side, we mentioned bad guys too. You've got In Memoriam, which is a leading role. Yeah. We've talked a lot on the podcast about the Sharon Stone interaction.

42:16I'm excited to see that one. It's just one of those things where you do this big thing and then like, you know, the director didn't make the final deadline for the Toronto festival and now it's in the can I've seen the final cut I think I did all right I think it's a pretty special movie but now it's like why would just wait till next year for a Sundance I'm like all right well I'll just take that out of the front burner area of expectations well you have the Avatar sequels you're gonna do obviously we talked about that last time it's so funny that got such you know attention like, you know, it's like, I will talk shit, you know, and that's one of the fears of not having Brendan McDonald watching my back, you know, at every turn, you know, in terms of saying things publicly.

43:00You know, but like, I thought about that, about like, just the ridiculousness of meeting camera and everything, but like, some people be like, dude, why are you doing that? It's gonna be bad. Bad for what? What are you trying to get? What do you need? Like, in that realm, you're not, I mean, you're not trying to get that. I don't even know who sees those movies. So what at any memorable auditions in the last couple years since we've we've spoken? Well, it seems I've gotten past the now you're offer only mark. I'm dead. You know, I kind of am and you know, I say no to a lot of stuff Because there's It's I Don't know why you know, but there is just zero you know desperation or like I literally my manager will send me like this script is pretty good you should really take a look at it you know like two weeks ago by and he's like do you look at that script I'm like oh no I can't remember what was that one I don't clearly I'm not hungry for it you tried to back out of the Springsteen I just listened to you talk about that one that was so funny that was such a funny moment so stupid Scott Cooper looking it's like I can't really explain like I have a dread of of like almost like almost everything and I think you know good managers know this and they work within it.

44:21Like I'm going to just say no to almost right. Mike, I would have what do I got to drive you know, it really comes down to like how long where why you know what's the part like that sounds ridiculous. No one's going to see it like this whole barrage of reasons to not do something. You know, but my manager who's actually in the room right now you know he knows all this and he'll he'll say like i get it you know no that makes sense and then i think like subconsciously he just waits for a slight crack in the wall well i guess and then he's like i can get in there all right but you know the food's pretty good so but uh yes springsteen but you said you were saying what i just done that it was like it It was an undertaking.

45:07It took a lot for me to believe that I could do a lead and carry a movie. And, you know, I did pretty good. I watched the Final Cut. But after I shot all that, you know, I like Scott Cooper. We text. You know, I'm in touch with him. I'm a big fan. Oddly, this is the full arc of that story. So I had this little part. It was not a lot of lines, you know, in the movie. And I'd just done a lead in a movie. And now I'm supposed to fly to New Jersey to do five lines. So now my manager's got to deal with this shit, which is not unusual either. I'm like, is it like any actor could do this? Right. This is like, this is entry level acting.

45:44I just did a lead in an indie that no one's going to see. You know, so. It's going to be passed by the throne of the film festival. It might not even make it to theaters, but I did it, you know. So, so I'm like, you know, fuck this. And the manager's like, you know, it's all right. You know, I'll get you out of it. Knowing full well that I would come around somehow. But why do we do the stance every time? Why are we doing this stance? You know what's gonna happen? No, because sometimes I really mean no, but there are there are things that I'm like I'm just fighting for her whatever it but But I just thought like really it's it comes from insecurity with the diva element Was not as large as my insecurity in the sense that like because I really felt because I had one experience doing a movie that I got cut out of you know that it was that uh that michael keaton movie about the lawyer for post you know 9 11.

46:37oh yeah yeah yeah right i'm blanking but i got you well no one saw it yeah so but somehow or another they put me in that movie to play this kind of scrappy lawyer and i knew i wasn't right for the part and i don't know why or who was doing who a favor or why the fuck right they wanted me so i'm sitting in a quarter trailer that's a closet in a shitty suit you know for the whole day to do a scene that they could have hired a day point do do the guy the New York actor a favor they're just not they're all just waiting for law and orders so give him the movie you know like there's a guy that's excited for this that is this guy yeah yeah yeah it's a character actor part and I'm like I'm not that guy so yeah you're just wait is that Marc Maron in that scene and then it wasn't it was like is that Marc Maron on the phone call that they made the scene yeah they kind of shoulder yeah right right so so with the with the delivery from nowhere thing you know it's just sort of like you know they can cast a guy that's gonna inhabit this better and it's a small part yeah and and also I was sort of like you know there's nothing for me to do with this yeah so I tell this to my manager and he's like well we'll get you out of it and then I'm like you know all right hold on you know let me just think so I hang up from him and then I text cooper like i mean who the does that it's a big director you know it's like you know i know him well enough but like i text him you know i'm like hey dude i'm just getting back into the script doesn't look like there's a lot for me to do here uh am i wrong you're like but the director so so he texts back he goes uh no dude i get it you know uh it's fine you know uh you know we'll work together in the future i just thought it would be fun and then like right when he texts back and I read that I'm like all right no I'll do it he didn't ask he didn't quite a negotiation it wasn't even a negotiation I just needed attention I guess no you're right I'll do it but the idea that I thought it would be fun you like I never look at things like that you know there's a way to get a curio that fun equation someone just asked me it was Comic-Con fun I'm like what are you talking about how was you know what it's something I had to do flying on the plane with all those those people fun no no it's not that it's not fun but it's something you know apparently I have to do yeah they had nuts it was fine I don't even think they had nuts I'm sorry and then on the way back like you know after we'd spent the whole day at Comic-Con they service food on the plane on a 30-minute flight and I'm a vegan everyone's getting these little sandwiches she gives me a salad the size of a piece of luggage with chickpeas and shit and I'm like what am I going to be serving the whole plane who's the caterer that put this together but but it was fun the flight no no no no no fight wasn't the movie was okay good good good it was fun because it was because Scott's great and you know there's just a funny kind of thing with it all that we shot in the studio where they did number where they were trying to do Nebraska so it's a studio that worked in the guy I'm playing is a real guy chuck uh plotkin is that his name i fucked up his name somewhere and um and jeremy strong's there and bruce is there well that's the thing john landau is jeremy strong and jeremy allen light is uh is springsteen and uh walter hauser was there oh paul walter house yeah paul walter house was there because he had a little part so he's around you know trying to get laughs every three minutes he's just there's always one he's one of those guys on set they're always going to do the you know try to do the riffing right he's a great guy yeah and he is pretty funny but uh he's very funny I like him I don't want that there's no reason viewed you don't need new feuds in your life no there's not he's very nice and we we text he's a sweet guy and he's great actor he's very funny but the thing was is that a couple of things was well first you know I did I didn't have I had to act like I knew how to run a board.

50:34I was an engineer, a sound engineer. And also Cooper really laid it out to me that there may not be a lot of lines here, but he's pivotal to the story. You know, he's the guy that figures out how to solve this problem. And I'm like, okay, that's good. But I had to figure out how to, you know, work the board, and I talked to the guy who worked at the studio, one of the engineers, and we kind of nailed that. And then I tell Cooper, I'm like, hey man, you know, there's not a lot of footage on this guy, he's a real guy. So I don't know what you want me to do with that. I don't have a point a source to do him yeah he goes don't do more of that I'm like really okay yeah I'm just I'll just get the knobs going and we do the first scene and that's a Bruce and John Landau the real Bruce and the road on there in video village to a whole fucking time and you know I know Bruce because I went to his house yeah and he remembers me because I you know I you know I make an impression sometimes but it gave me a shorthand with him like he we know this familiarity so that was kind of interesting after every you know cut you know he could be like i'm gonna hang out with bruce and and it gave me a new appreciation for landau like in terms of like the he gets for working the way he gets he did something kind of amazing on set that that really is a testament to the work of a real actor in terms of the pursuit of truth part about it but nonetheless so i do my first speaking part point with the knobs and i was talking and i was like you know, Bruce is out there and I'm like, you know, I got no idea who this guy is.

52:01So I do the knobs and I do the talking and cut and I go out and right when I walk in the video village, Bruce goes, you're him, you're Chuck. And I'm like, well, that's coincidence. I didn't let on, but I'm like, okie dokie. I've been working those knobs for six months, Bruce. You didn't know I've been training. Yeah, but like that, he bought the personality of it, which, you know, whatever. I just figured he's kind of a nerd. He's working for Bruce. He's got a specific job. he's not going to be bombastic yeah but jeremy was kind of interesting you know to it was just a really interesting thing because he's in it yeah he does the thing where he's like locked into john landau and it was good for him to have landau out there to ask questions but he'll talk to you as jeremy but just in landau's body got it it's almost like you know jeremy's inside landau's body and he can access jeremy to have a conversation you know okay yeah it's like uh ddl as lincoln but still ordering the starbucks as lincoln yeah well kind of yeah yeah yeah yeah he'll talk to you but it'll be land out but but he'll talk he'll he'll speak as jeremy but um uh but he did this he had this moment in the room that was kind of interesting he's always thinking and you know he's in it he's really in it and he's really in it and you know this process of trying to solve this problem in the studio was an ongoing process for a long time and at some point you know you know he's always kind of like you know should i do you know talking to scott hey with you i think i should be over here you know he's very engaged with the reality of it and somebody just goes hey wait wait wouldn't there be empty food containers around they've been in here a long time like you know food takeout wouldn't there be food containers yeah and then all of a sudden I'm like are you fucking kidding me like we're gonna get through this tape but but yeah but but Scott servicing the actor you know it's sort of like I don't that's a good question you know you know just indulging him and I wasn't frustrated with it but I was like all right okay so this is you're going to deal with this.

53:48But the truth of the matter is, you know, they went and asked, you know, Jeremy Strong goes, we did cuts and we're all out into the ability. And they're like, wouldn't you guys have food containers around Bruce is like, oh yeah, sure. And then Jeremy's like, well, what would you guys be eating? You know? And he's like, wait, roast chicken and sweet potatoes. And I'm like, that's pretty specific. So then like, then there's that moment. It's like, all right, so Jeremy's right. We're going to do this. And all I could think is like some PA is being dispatched. You can't just get fried with sweet potatoes.

54:19You can't, you just roast chicken and sweet potatoes. So that guy's running around New York calling out of different places on his phone for sweet potatoes. But the reality of the frame, you know, was changed because of it. You know, and, you know, set deck, I don't know if you've been on movie sets. A lot of times you get to a set and it's just loaded up with shit. You know, there are pencils, there are, you know, like all this stuff in containers. Too much, yeah. Yeah, but it doesn't read as anything other than that looks lived in. But when you're sitting there, it's like, why is this snow globe here in a sandwich?

54:55There's a story to the snow globe. There's not. It's just set deck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude. And we're all just trying to justify our jobs, our existence, Mark. But I think, you know, when it's specific, you know, like, I think that the food containers changed his sense of and deepened the reality of the environment. I think probably on screen and for Jeremy to, you know, find the truth in this character. Yeah. I'm going to look for the map. And I was just sitting there like. I'll be looking for that and the sweet potatoes in the scene. A couple quick things. So going forward acting-wise, I just, I caught up with Bob Odenkirk over at Comic-Con.

55:33Once you're an action movie franchise, I feel like that's your next thing. Yeah. Just like, I mean, you're ripped. We know that. Yeah, I'd probably be a better, like, you know, sidekick to the action guy. Don't diminish. Broadway, is that of interest? Is theater? I thought it was, but it's a lot of time, man. You know, you've got to workshop this and that. Like, I mean, look, you know, maybe that becomes more possible if anybody has the desire to have me do that without the podcast. And, you know, within the schedule I've been working on for the last 15, 16 years, I think Broadway would have been a stretch.

56:13because no matter what movie I did or where I was in the world, we were delivering two new shows a week. And I was recording either interviews or intros in hotel rooms. There was a way that Brendan and I were able to work around things because the podcast was the priority. That was the primary gig. And that took precedence over anything else. so what I'm available for what interests me in terms of being able to take the time if I can separate from my cats long enough to do something like that there was sort of this idea of because look I'm not a star at the level those guys are you know like you're going to have a bunch of guys Burr's going to do Glangary I totally could have seen you in that ensemble there's no reason that you couldn't see me in it but no one's going to look to me to generate ticket sales for that okay all right you know maybe maybe I'm talking out insecurity but like I kind of know from experience that no one's like this guy's a guaranteed moneymaker right let's make him the lead of this or put him in the ensemble you know like I don't whatever I don't know if that's an insecurity or reality but insecurity but so well maybe we'll see I mean you know stick is like one of the reasons I did it was to to heighten visibility on some level yeah and you know and and show up in a way that I haven't before.

57:40But the time it takes to, like I think there was a moment where I was offered a new play, but it's like we're gonna workshop it in Chicago for four weeks and I'm like. That's a long haul. And then like to do the memorization thing and all that shit, I mean you gotta really lock into that. You can't have too many distractions with that. You and your buddy Tracy Lutz. Oh I'd love to do, I'd do anything with Tracy. I wish I could work with Tracy. I'd be in one of his plays. I'd like to act with him. He's a very funny actor too. He's the best. God, him, that scene in the fucking... Oh, Ford Ford. Oh, yeah, in the Corvette.

58:12Come on. Come on. We're going to end with this. Happy second for you to profoundly random questions. I know the answers to a few of these, but indulge me. Dogs or cats? Cats? Yeah, I have cats. I don't have anything against dogs, but they're just too needy for me. What do you collect? I think I know some of these, too. What are the main things you collect? Lately? Yeah. whenever well I seem to be like I don't think in terms of collecting I think in terms of having so like I'm not you know like I if I get obsessed with a band or something like that you know I'll buy all their records or whatever I think that over the years lately I've amassed a lot of records I amass things I don't collect too many things like I I think if there's one thing I collect it seems to be Ganesha statues but in terms of like getting things hopefully for free or through barter.

59:06I've amassed a lot of records. I have more guitars than I need, but I don't buy them that often. I try to get them for free and then play them. But there's a lot of things that are on their way out. But as far as consciously buying things that I seem to collect but not amass, it seems to be Ganesha statues of one size or another. I feel like clothing, sometimes you talk a little bit about different like... But those aren't collections. I'm obsessed with a few boots. Like there's definitely things I wear over and over again. There's things I commit to and have a certain amount of them, but it's not like I have 90 pairs of boots.

59:45Okay, good. Fair enough. You don't strike me as a video game guy, but do you have a favorite video game of all time? Anything you've ever played? No. What, modern? No, I mean, literally childhood. It could be Pac-Man. I don't know, anything. No, I was never a Pac-Man guy. You know, we were pretty into Space Invaders at the bowling alley when it first came out, and Asteroids, but I never nerded into them enough to know how to turn over the system. There were those guys that figured out exactly how you could go through all the levels. Galaga, Galaga, I used to play in college at the sub place across from where I lived.

1:00:20I liked Galaga. Is that how you say it? Galaga? I do Galaga, but Galaga sounds like the European, like classier version. Yeah, that's the Russian version. Galaga. I only played the Russian machine. The guys who owned the sub shop were Ukrainian, I think. Dakota Johnson asked me this, I ask everybody. Can you ask her if she would marry me? You have a significant other. I know, but this is fantasy. Fantasy. You're a fan? You're a fan of her work? I love her. She's great. I talked to her dad, but it wasn't appropriate for me to like, hey, could I get the number? I could make this magic happen for you.

1:00:56I could connect you guys. Hathaway and Dakota Johnson. Those are yours? Okay. But Hathaway's married. Yeah. And, yeah, I have somebody. But, like, you know, for Dakota, I'd rethink a lot. Maybe there's too big an age gap. It doesn't necessarily stop me. You can make it work. It's okay. She asked me this. Let's see if your crush remains after you hear this question. Would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt? What? One bee in your butt? Yeah. Who the fuck wants a mouthful of bees? Yeah. That sounds like a disaster. Yeah, no, I agree. What's the wallpaper on your phone? I don't know.

1:01:29Do you have a phone? Yes, you do. I think it's just a regular... You got just like space? Just like black? Yeah, I don't get too deep into this. I have a dead cat on my computer though. You're one of yours, I hope. Not just the side elses. Last actor you were mistaken for? Who do I get? You ever sign someone else's autograph being presented? No, no, no, no. A lot of people aren't sure who I am. People used to think I look like Spielberg a lot. Occasionally, if I'm pretty shaved, you know, there's a Robert Downey thing. But I don't get mistaken for too many people. I think, oddly, I think I'm like Bono starting to look a little like me.

1:02:14Bono's looking like you or you're looking like Bono? No, I think he's looking like me because he looked different when he was younger. But now older. He was Robin Williams younger. That was the biopic that never happened. Worst note a director has ever given you?

1:02:30I don't know, man. I don't really remember that stuff. Anything particularly unhelpful that you hate hearing? It'll be okay. Because it won't. I think it's helpful, but I know that it's sort of like, all right, well, that's as good as you're going to do. And in the spirit of happy second few, An actor who always makes you happy, you see them on screen, you're instantly happier. George Clooney. Yeah. A movie that makes you sad? Ugh. So many of them make me sad. Um, these are always hard questions for me because a movie that makes me sad...

1:03:14Like a classic? You could be anything. Name some sad movies. in terms of endearment, Cinema Paradiso, I don't know, It's a Wonderful Life. Black mirrors make me sad. Yeah, yeah. That's the most recent ones. That works. And a food that makes you confused, Mark. You don't get it, why do people eat that? Oh, you know, I'm not big on tripe. Controversial statement.

1:03:48I've been plant-based for a couple of years, but even the way it looks like in pho or in pho, when you get the soup, and they're like, you know, you want all of it? The weird Vietnamese meatballs and the tripe and the brisket that just slabs the fat. Do you want the whole thing? The tripe, like, I'll eat the other stuff, but the tripe is sort of like, oh, I can see it's just little rings of intestines. Yeah, squiggly little, you know. I understand the texture thing, but it's still like, is it necessary? There's no flavor to it. Even calamari, it's like, what is the... Oh, I would be there. The best at calamari can be like, oh, this is fresh because it's softer than it usually is.

1:04:25Sometimes Czech texture is enough. No, I agree, but it's also like giant clam and sushi. There's something about that texture, the kind of crunchy, chewy, like, I don't know. Not for me. We're going to go watch Avatar and eat some tripe, Mark and I now. Oh, boy. Congratulations on many fronts. Let's run it down. The Bad Guys 2 panicked, most importantly, on HBO, HBO Max. I'm sure any HBO that exists in the world, check it out. Are we good, hopefully, in the next few months? October, maybe, yeah. Amazing. And look, a personal level, as I said before, WTF. So important to me, so important to so many others.

1:05:02Enjoy the last lap of it, and thank you for everything you've contributed, Mark. Thanks, buddy. Good talking to you. Good to see you. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't supposed to do this by Josh.

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