Millie Bobby Brown

0:00Sierra has all the best active and outdoor brands you need. From athletic stuff, like a full-court pickup game, swish, to athletic-ish stuff, like a half-mile stroll. Get those steps in! And for morning hikes up the mountain trail, good pace, to nighttime ghost stories from the camping chair. What a twist. Whatever level of active, Sierra loves it all. Head to Sierra or Sierra.com for the brands you want at the prices that let you do it all. From athletic to athletic-ish, Sierra's got it. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling? Smart move.

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1:27And yeah, I'm forever grateful to the show. I'm very, very grateful. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins. Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today on the show, Millie Bobby Brown on the end of Stranger Things, on the continuation of Anola Holmes, on reteaming with David Harbour, and so much more. Thanks guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember to hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, wherever you're enjoying this. You know what to do. This is a very cool one. Live event we taped at 92nd Street Y in New York City.

2:05Really one of the first substantive, big, deep dive conversations with Millie since the end of Stranger Things. You guys know I'm all about Stranger Things. I've done a ton with the Duffer Brothers, with David Harbour, with Winona. Sadie's been on the podcast. And yes, I've talked to Millie a thousand times over the years, but she's actually never done the podcast. So this was a great time on the occasion of the release of Enola Holmes 3, which is on Netflix on July 1st. Check it out. Millie, it sounds like a cliche, but we all have. I have seen Millie grow up before our eyes. Truly, the last decade plus.

2:45and to see where she's at now, 22 years old, married, a mom, producing, acting, writing. It's really, yeah, it's a special thing to see something like this, to go along the journey and to see where these young actors end up. And the future is very bright for her, very bright in many respects. So I'm so thrilled to get a chance to share this one with all of you guys. before we do that, I will remind you that patreon.com slash happy sick and fused is your friend and my friend. If you like what I do, you get the early access, you get the discount codes, you get an autographed merch, you get opportunities to ask guest questions.

3:27I say it every week and I mean it. It helps us make more stuff and you like the stuff we make, I think. So help us out over there. Patreon.com slash happy sick and fused. And it's not just a charity. You get bang for your buck. Trust me. Okay, so I'm going to take you now to this live event we taped at 92nd Street Y in New York City. Millie and me on stage. I will say it got a little emotional. And I guess I'm not surprised because the end of Stranger Things, it's emotional for the audience, let alone for Millie, who literally said goodbye to her childhood with the end of this show. and yeah, it was really, really sweet to see her get emotional talking about saying goodbye to this chapter of her life and her friends and her family who of course will remain in her life but it's different.

4:16Of course it's different now. So this show I should say, you've probably seen the headlines maybe by now already that came out of this conversation but nobody has the video, nobody has the actual conversation except Happy, Say, Confused because we made the damn thing. So here it is for you, for your eyes and ears. I hope you guys enjoy this. Here's me and Millie Bobby Brown. Hello. Hi, everybody. How's it going? Welcome to the 92nd Street Y. My name is Josh Horowitz. I host the podcast called Happy, Sad, Confused, and you're inside of it. Did you know that? Welcome. Welcome to the podcast. I'm so thrilled that you all are here tonight because as much as I've talked to this young woman over the years, she's never done the podcast, and tonight is the night.

4:59you're all here for one reason I'm going to give her a little bit of an introduction so hold on Millie. Millie Bobby Brown I mean what can I say? I know it's foolish to like compare ourselves to people at different ages but I don't know about you but at 22 I had done nothing. At 22 Millie in addition to being a wife a mom a real life doctor do little to more animals than I can count is such an accomplished actor and producer and author. Obviously, she will always be 11 from the pop culture phenomenon that was Stranger Things. Yes, you're allowed to clap. Yes. But we're also celebrating tonight because she is, of course, producer and star of this wonderful franchise that continues in its third installment.

5:45We're going to give you a little sneak peek tonight as the conversation goes. Noah Holmes 3 comes out on Netflix July 1st. I know you're going to spread the good word. Please make her feel welcome because this is her first time at 92nd Street Y. We want her to come back. It's Millie Bobby Brown, everybody. There she is. Thank you.

6:10Hi, everyone. Thank you for having me. Oh, my goodness. I'm so happy to be here. What an amazing introduction. Thank you. Look, I mean, no competition, but Harbour's done the podcast five times. So you have a lot. Yawn. No, I'm five times. I know. He has nothing else to do. Exactly. Yeah, you're busy. You're a busy lady. Precisely. She's such a busy lady. Can we say where you just came from? My baby girl. No, I was going to say that. Oh! She did not want me to leave. The sweetest baby in the back is there, Millie's. But I was going to say the press you just did, you just did a... Hot Ones. You know, I just did it.

6:52And guys, my mouth is on fire. So if you see me drinking an abundance of water, it's because of that. It's crazy. Okay, so look, we've talked a lot over the years. It is kind of astonishing when I list kind of all the things that you have done, are doing. Mentally, physically, emotionally, what age do you feel like? because you've packed a lot into 22 years already. Goodness. Well, online, if you Google it, everybody says I look like a 50-year-old. Lies. And honestly, I'm here for that. My mom looks amazing for 50. Gosh, I feel very much 22. Good. Enjoy it. Yes. I feel 22. I feel like I'm having the best time ever.

7:36I just am so blessed, so lucky. I love being a young mum because I'm able to run around and chase after her and um you know I I love yeah I love where I'm at right now I I never was the kind of girl to be like out on the town you know so it wasn't just in my nature I love living on my farm I love I love sewing I don't know something's wrong with me it must be because I've like my mum's like Mil do you want my mom has more of a great time than I do. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Like Summer House is on my TV. I'm embroidering. This is where I want to be. So yeah, I, you know, I, I'm very lucky in the place I'm at, but I'm very much 22.

8:21You spent, needless to say, a lot of time on sets for the last 10 years. I was counting. It must be about 13 years. Yeah. So did you, did you miss on any life skills along the way? Do you feel like because of the nature of your life, you lack any basics that most people learn just in the course of a normal life? It's a good question. Well, I didn't go to public school. So maybe a bit of socialization. Sometimes when fans come up to me, they'll be like, Millie, and I'll be like, ah! And it's not because I've, it's because I'm genuine. I just don't know how to react. sometimes to people my own age I have a harder time because I grew up with primarily men on cruise let's change that but men over 40 years old and so I heard a lot of adult talk growing up and didn't really talk about the things you're meant to talk about as a kid because you just hear, you know, you hear, where's the grip?

9:33Let's grab a ladder, you know. And so that's your whole conversation. So I could talk to that person for extensively hours about different lens changes and shots. But I can't talk about, you know, oh, my God, what bars do you like around this area? I'm like, I don't know. Don't know. So I lack a little bit of that. I would say when I met my husband, he's the most social butterfly. the complete opposite stick of me you know he went to boarding school and college so he is like a social butterfly when I met him I really tried to lead in more into that so I'm in my social era well there's also and you've talked about this before like I mean social media is so important sadly for all of us it's how we kind of connect in some ways to the world and by nature of what you've done like there's no worse demographic to be like stuck on social media than like a famous young woman.

10:27Like, I can't even, like, I have enough trouble. Right. Right. So what, I mean, and you've had to navigate that and probably like gone on and left social media probably a few times. Has that felt like something that you've cracked, you've figured out like how to maintain some kind of connection to the outside world yet protect yourself? I deleted social media in 2021 and I never looked back um yeah there was a good for you from the audience we all agree I couldn't do it anymore like I I tried but I have a large like digital footprint uh and I thought you know there's no need for this anymore so I needed to hire someone for my mental health to take care of it for me.

11:18Somebody who is an expert in social media, who knows what they're doing, who that's literally what they went to school for, right? And I am like, you take care of it. I still want to feel connected to my fans. I still want my fans to know it's my caption. I'm thinking about, you know, but I don't want to see what people have to say about it because I don't care. Do you, yes, this is the healthiest. Good for you. You have a long way before you have to worry about this, but with a young daughter, do you think about that eventually of like screens, social media, all of that? Is that in your head?

11:52Well, there's a TV back there and I said, okay, you can watch Mama, but that's the only screen time you're getting today. I do think about it and I worry because I don't know what life looks like in 15 years.

12:09but there's no need for it until she's like 60 years old I think and then Stranger Things and that's it no she doesn't need to watch anything however I did show her Enola Holmes 1 and she wasn't interested at all and then I said tis I and she looked up because I sounded like mum you know So, yeah. So she liked it. She watched like five minutes and then got completely disinterested. But it was very nice to be able to show her that. You know, all of my childhood is on Netflix. We need to get her on Letterboxd. We need a review. We need her to... I just did Letterboxd. And I really regret the things that I said on there.

12:50You know, I felt really in the moment and pressured. With the four favorites? Yes. I went home. I said, why did I say that? I said the most random movies ever. I was put under a lot of pressure. But we need to hear her Letterboxd. Definitely. We'll be right back with more Happy, Sad, Confused. Sierra has all the best active and outdoor brands you need. From athletic stuff, like a full-court pickup game, swish, to athletic-ish stuff, like a half-mile stroll. Get those steps in! And from morning hikes up the mountain trail, good pace, to nighttime ghost stories from the camping chair. What a twist!

13:31Whatever level of active, Sierra loves it all. Head to Sierra or Sierra.com for the brands you want at the prices that let you do it all. From athletic to athletic-ish, Sierra's got it. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling? Smart move. Another smart move? Getting help from one of State Farm's 19 ,000 local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto. Bundling. Just another way to save with the personal price plan. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state.

14:12Okay, so let's talk Enola Holmes 3. Congratulations. So this, I would think, look, I mean, it's one thing to be a part of this ginormous ensemble on Stranger Things, and you're obviously as important a factor in that success as anybody, but you are Enola Holmes. You are a producer on Enola Holmes. Do you take a special pride in the success of this series of films that they have a huge audience in their own right? And it's really built very much on your prowess as an actor and a producer. That's very sweet. It's funny because, you know, when I do films, I'm like, you know, I try to bring heroes to life.

14:53I try to bring heroes for young girls and boys. but mostly girls, because we need more heroes on screen for girls, to feel connected and to feel inspired and capable. And I am really proud. You know, back then I'd be like, oh yeah, I'm Manola Holmes, but like, it's fine. It's just silly, you know, but now I'm like, no, I'm Manola. And I'm really proud to be able to bring that to screen, especially when young girls come up to me and they say how much they love her. I would say it's a close second to what people say, you know, oh my gosh, are you 11? It's a very close second to, oh my gosh, I love Enola Holmes.

15:33And then the third being, I really like this dragon movie you were in, but I can't remember the name of it. Thank you. But yes, you know, so, but people loved the Enola Holmes, you know, And there's so many people that go into building the Enola Holmes world. But yeah, I'm very proud to play her. Very honored. As you can imagine, we're going to take some questions from the audience here in a bit. But we also got some sent in via evil social media. But these are the good ones that sent in some questions. Here's one from MBB Love. Maybe that's in honor of you. What Taylor Swift song best describes Enola in Enola Holmes 3?

16:14It's funny. I was doing press with my co-star Louis today. And I said, mad woman, Taylor Swift. But it's like, there's nothing like a mad woman. What's the matter with that? And I'm like, that's Enola. That's Enola. She's a mad woman. So is Eudoria. But yeah, it's definitely mad woman. But I'm forever in my Taylor era.

16:40Did you get the invite to the wedding? Are you crashing it? What's the plan? No comment. Oh. I didn't expect a hit painter. Maybe. I don't know. So what excited you? Okay. So you approach a third film. I want to talk about the location and there's some returning actors, some new actors, but what excited you as you approached this third one? Oh my goodness. So much. First of all, we're filming in Malta, which I'd never, never thought we'd ever leave London. So that was really exciting. The whole wedding theme was really exciting because I just got married myself. So I was like, ah, I get to do it all over again.

17:20But honestly, I was really excited about Phil Berentini. I don't know, have any of you guys watched Adolescence? Oh, amazing. Come on. I mean, the most fantastic director to ever live. I'm obsessed with Phil Berentini. He's a close friend. But when I met him, I was scared. I was like, who's going to direct? You know, we had our amazing director, Harry Bradbier, for the first and second. And I was nervous. And the first day I met him, I was like, okay, I really like him. For two weeks into filming, you'd think he's like my brother. I mean, we just connected so much. And he was probably the main reason this film is my favorite and that I loved the filming so much.

18:07He's such a collaborator. And what does, I mean, needless to say, shooting on location, there's no substitute. Malta, like you said, I think the last movie that I remember to date me was Popeye, like 45 years ago. And we, by the way, we visited that like museum there because that was like pretty much the only thing to do. Yeah. But go to Malta. It was hot. Okay. And being in that clothing. Yeah. Not Malta friendly. Not Malta friendly. So, I mean, I had to have a serious sit-down with the production about bringing in more fans in air conditioning tents for the crew. I was, yeah, basically my sole job for two months was keeping the crew and cast cool.

18:53I just thought about it every single night. Jake was like, Millie, I was like, everyone needs to be cool. Like, it is too hot. And I would walk around being like, SPF, SPF, SPF. um but yeah i i definitely feel like um yeah malta was amazing but it was very hot and and an added element of that is you're you're hot so you can't focus it was like when i filmed stranger things season four in new mexico we were filming in the desert you know and i'm trying to focus but i can't keep my eyes open because the sun and the sand was so bright and you don't you you as a viewer enjoying it you're like ah and I'm just sat there like I remember how painful that was to film you know so there's so many added environment like issues that you can face in on a set that you you'd never think to an audience eye now when you watch the film you can think of the pain that our stars sweat dripping down my body you know what I'm always fascinated by the falling in love or happy montage and how awkward that might be to film is it at all am I clocking something or not It's funny because I just finished a romance movie called Just Picture It.

20:05Very excited for you guys to see that. And it was full of montage moments. And you just have to, like, love this person. So much smiling and laughing. You just sort of, like, really fall into it. With Lou, it's so easy because we have such a long friendship. And I trust him. He trusts me. and I just said to him, you know, let's play some Lord. So we played Lord and Green Light was basically our song the whole time. And for four minutes I was just like, let's just play in the set. And so I just grabbed things, hit him. He grabbed a pillow, whacked me over the head. And then they were like, okay, less fighting, more loving.

20:50And I was like, oh, okay. And we just had the best time and we danced and it was just a great time. and they called cut and you know Lou and I are just absolutely sweating because it's the height of the summer and they said that we got everything it was so great and we had the we were like we could keep going with that that was so fun um because sometimes it can get a bit boring with long dialogue scenes we were saying the same thing for 12 hours so it was really fun to just kind of let loose and improv yeah and to be fair a lot of your career has been spent action which what I want to talk about, but also like not looking happy in a scene.

21:25Oh my gosh. My whole career has been me sobbing, crying. Right. She's earned some happiness. Um, I mentioned the action, the stunts. You take a lot of pride in that. Absolutely. Female Tom Cruise. So do you, do you, do you have a relationship with Tom Cruise? Is he, is he a, is he on speed dial? He is a dear friend. Yeah. He's a, he's a wonderful man and, um, very lucky. I'm very lucky to call him my friend. why is are you not like the daughter of ethan hunt in mission impossible let's get it out there let's get it out there but no tom i mean tom does like you know the craziest stunts and he i think he's trying to get me to somehow fly a plane at some point i don't know i've flown his helicopter before and i was like this is that might be the last time i ever fly anything of his uh equipment but it's truly like you know it's a thrilling experience and I just want oh my gosh I was like what's happening oh my gosh I thought it was like the theater where we were offering popcorn and sodas again but I yeah I feel like for me it's a very thrilling experience to be able to do my own stunts and I don't want young girls to think they can't you know and another thing you'll always hear an older actor say don't do your own stunts and it's like okay I get that but back in the day they might have been throwing you against a wall and now like if you get a really great stunt coordinator and you learn how to land and you learn the whole technique of it we as actors should know how to do certain things I'm not saying take away from any stunt double ever because I want everybody to be in have a job however I do think it's our job to learn and to adapt and to you know for me as an actor I just I genuinely feel like I have to learn it so I can feel it and act it yeah um so I try to do 90 and the 10 is probably you know in my contract that I'm not allowed even though I beg is there so I mentioned someone like Tom I mean that's an amazing person to have as a resource like do you have like older actors that like you look to when you have a a career or an acting question are they like is like Winona someone you like hit like who do you hit up were those winona yeah winona will text every four months but the longest message ever you know um however helena bonham carter my mother she is there for me whenever i need her and i am very very grateful to her um matthew modine my godfather the shaded your wedding He officiated my wedding.

24:07It doesn't come much closer than that. It doesn't, no. And I knew it from the moment Jake proposed to me that Papa had to do that. And I asked him, and then two years later, he said, are you serious about that? I said, yeah, we're getting married in a month. You have to come in a month. He's like, wait, what do you mean? I was like, I told you two years. He's like, I thought it was a passing comment. How did he do? He was amazing. Oh, my gosh. His voice is so calming. And he was there when Jake and I first ever met. he was in the room no one else so and I and I ran up to him and I said he's so tall and handsome so he got all of the the teenage jitters um but what oh gosh I have I'm very lucky David Harbour is a great you know great person I like to talk to him um goodness I mean there's there must be there must be a lot I mean I've had like you know I've I've been able to communicate with people like Leonardo DiCaprio and, you know, when I was young, Natalie Portman was, you know, gosh, she's an icon.

25:13So I've been really, really lucky to be surrounded with actors that have just offered their support and love. And now I'm really glad I'm in a place where I'm able to do that to others. Not just actors, but, you know, someone like Owen Cooper, who's in Adolescence. He has my number anytime he needs me, has any questions. he texts me he's like hey am I doing this magazine is this like a one I should do and I'm like oh and do what makes you happy if you're not tired do it but if you're tired don't do it you know don't run yourself into the ground and and listen to your parents and and just enjoy it but don't push yourself and it's really nice to be able to give advice like that it's like you're talking to yourself as a young person right because that's what the other people were saying to me right and I listened.

25:59So, yeah. That's amazing to pass it down to the next. It's funny. You told me in the past I was asking you the scenes you dread in the script. It doesn't spoil anything to say that I think towards the end of the film, you're in the water. You're a producer on this film. You said you hate water. I hate water. What are you doing to yourself? I don't know. You couldn't have rewritten that one? It's so romantic. Right. Are you happy? I was doing it for the moment. However, I did complain the whole time. Don't get me wrong. the water was well when we filmed in the ocean I was terrified because a week before a great white shark was spotted in those waters so and I'm my if you know me I'm my biggest fear of sharks so I was just hanging on to Louis the whole time by the end of it he was just underwater because I was just drowning him um and then we were in the pool for some of it and that was great and they were like Millie get out of the water I was like no I'll just stay in here for my break But yeah, we had a great time, actually.

26:59It wasn't terrible, but it was one day. I don't want to be the Little Mermaid doing it for four months, you know? It's important to know yourself, and you know yourself. I know myself. I don't do night shoots, and I don't do water. So if you're a director and watching this, I'm just probably not your cop. Unless you're Christopher Nolan or Steven Spielberg. There are exceptions to the rule, I would imagine. Yes, exactly. Just send me the script. We can work on this together. I can push myself. We could do dry for wet. More Happy, Say, Confused coming up.

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28:33It's time to talk a little Stranger Things. Okay, this might get emotional. I don't know. I'm emotional. I can't imagine how you are feeling. I mean, tell me first, like, how did you watch the finale? Did you watch it with friends and family? What were the circumstances for you? Good question. I got sent it. I got sent it at the same time the cast watched it here in New York. I was with my family and I put it on. And I was fine at first. And then we got like halfway through and I was like gulping because I knew we were getting closer to the end. and my family knew but they didn't know they didn't know the specifics of what it would look like and how it kind of ended in that way and then I just bowled for like a month so the whole of January I cried and I went into a bit of a slight slight bit of depression um it was very hard for me I would not have expected that coming a mile off of the show I'm a very happy-go-lucky person like I'm not the kind of girl to but I cried at everything and um it was very emotional and also watching my daughter just very hard for me to you know say goodbye to her and now raise like the next generation but just say goodbye to a part of my childhood yes and yeah I called all the cast over the month of the January I think they probably thought I was crazy and I was like we're still friends right like you're not gonna like stop talking to me anymore like um and I was like I'm sorry if I've ever upset you and just trying to like mend anything and just because Because, you know, it's been 10 years and like we and you're just like, I really want to be friends and I really you're my sibling.

30:38And then I was like on the beach. It was beautiful. And I'm just sat there crying. It's a very hard time for me. And no one will ever understand it. Like you guys are sat here like, what are you talking? You know, it's like I started the show when I was 10. And this character was me. And these people were in my life more than my own family. I saw these people more than going home and being and eating dinner with my family. So saying goodbye to that after 10 years was a very, very emotional thing. And I'm going to miss 11 more than anything. I would imagine Noah's returning your texts, I hope. Noah's still in your life.

31:17He is. He is. He's just obsessed with my child. So he's like, I'm coming over. She sounds like she needs me. Did you, again, we talked about social media, but you don't have to have social media. to kind of like know what the reaction is, good and bad, and everything in between. And the fans have always been very vocal. Yeah, so boring. Like, oh, I'm like, guys, come on, just enjoy. Don't be brats. Were you, did like the whole thing about like, there's another episode, like what did you make of that? People were saying, I was like, you guys are so, what is happening? Like, just take it for what it is.