Noah Centineo

0:00I auditioned for Timothee Chalamet's role in Interstellar. Stop. And ruined it. I did it so bad. I had, there were some, you know, Manchester by the Sea. Lucas Hadris' role, yeah. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Butchered it.

0:19What's the opposite of killed it? Butchered it. Butchered it, dude. F***ing carnage. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

0:32Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today on the show, we have Noah Centineo in the house. Of course, he hit it big with the Fosters and to all the boys I've loved before, but now he's absolutely killing it with his new film, Union County. He's got the Gundam movie, the John Rambo movie, and the Street Fighter movie, and we cover it all on this episode. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, on whatever platform you're using. You know what to do. And remember, if you like what I do, if you want to support Happy, Sad, Confused, check out our Patreon.

1:05We do make it worth your while by giving you early access to every single episode and bonus materials, autographed merch, access to our live events, and so much more. Patreon.com slash Happy, Sad, Confused. This is a really fun conversation with Noah. He's a first time guest on the pod. Been circling him for a number of years thanks to my work at MTV. Of course, we covered the To All the Boys I've Loved Before movies, which were so huge and really kind of put him on the map after the Fosters, I would say. But this guy's killing it lately. And look at his upcoming slate of movies. You'll see he's really balancing out kind of the indie world with the major blockbusters very, very well.

1:44If you didn't see him, by the way, in Warfare last year, put that on your list. An amazing ensemble of actors, many of which have done the podcast, including Kit Conner and Will Poulter and now Noah. And then this new movie that we talk about today that he was here for, Union County, kind of continues that realm. Like this is an indie film, very small film, him and Will telling the story of a real community in Ohio facing the opiate addiction and the cyclical nature of addiction and recovery. And it's done in a very, I don't know, very smart and attentive way to this community and done in a fascinating way.

2:24So we talk about that, but we also have a lot of laughs in this conversation because Noah is kind of, while a very serious actor, also an absurd human being. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. He's just very fun to talk to and has a great sense of humor and great chat and like some really interesting teases about the upcoming films, which I'm very, very excited about, including this John Rambo movie, which he is front and center. It's a Rambo prequel, the Street Fighter movie, which looks insane, and this Gundam movie, which no one's seen anything for, but he just wrapped with Sidney Sweeney.

2:55Lots of teases of all that. Some great audition stories, including an interstellar audition that went horribly wrong. That and much, much more on this edition of Happy, Sick, and Fuse. So without further ado, here's me and the one and only Noah Centineo. Enjoy. Noah Centineo. We're off and running. We're doing it. We're moving. What's happening we're doing it the thing is being done it's being done noah you're on the podcast for the very first time thank you keep those feet to cut you're not swimming what are you doing i'm doing the happy feet um i'm so happy to have you here man oh man thank you for having i feel like we've circled each other a little bit over the years but we've never really had the whole thing yeah it's happening it's true it's true i think we were talking about it we met potentially at like an mtv movie as great friendships begin that's all always how it when i spoke in old english or whatever you are you give a great award speech you you we'll get to that we'll get first first of all i bring greetings from your your bestie rachel zegler ah were you when were you with i was just i was just texting with her because i know you guys are close we are very close and um she's the best she's the best yeah so where do you guys go back to because you haven't worked together as far as i know no no yeah we've never we never actually been on camera together at least not like uh and like uh i think there are photos of you two together that's true there are photos we've never worked together you know um we met back when i was shooting black adam in atlanta she was doing shazam yes and we met at zach levi's house yeah um and and we just like got along like i got what is it what is the expression like a house on fire yeah and uh she just became precious to me and it's just she's the sweetest most talented person that that i really know mean it's actually insane her ability i know she really is one of the most talented like artists on the planet not just her emotional capacity but like her vocal strength and capacity her acting ability like the fact that she can dance and like with evita i can't wait to see did you see it yet i mean i saw i missed the landa and she's but she'll be here soon i know i'm definitely coming to one here yeah so i'm just in awe of her and like love her and support her have you ever sung with her not well but you've given it a go has it been a karaoke night has there been a there is a time in atlanta when i was in atlanta where i had like a guitar and an amp so i would just sit there and just like noodle around and she would like sing oh god then you're like oh that's not fair you know like maybe we maybe we tried to sing together but but no i'm uh nowhere near as qualified what what is your musical theater background what are your chops like did you do a lot of that growing up?

5:35No, no, nil. Almost none. I went to a performing arts middle school when I was 10 and 11. Auditioned to get in. It was called Bach, Middle School of the Arts in South Florida. Shout out, Bach. And yeah, you audition, you become a theater major. They either let you in or they don't. They prep you for the high school of the arts called Dreyfus. They prep you really for any other high school of the arts. And they had electives that you could take to be in musical theater, and I just didn't take them. Okay. So I literally... None. Pass. I did hip-hop, dance classes. There you go. In LA when I moved there because my agent was like, everyone does dance classes.

6:21Just for the step-up seven that's going to come around the corner. You never know. You never know. I was 15, and they were like, you have to go to Millennium, and you have to go to Movement Lifestyle. You got to dance with Will the Beast and Kyle Haragami and Ian Westwood or something. Do you still have the skills? When have those been exhibited lately? I mean, in the club, if I'm throwing it back. Okay. I mean, I can never. Never. Almost never. But is there an interest in singing on camera? Absolutely. It's cool that you asked that. I don't even know how we got here. It's so cool, though. We're off and running.

7:00happening we're doing the thing trying to remember doing the thing yeah um i'd love to i'd love to i've always said to over the last decade i've said you know i'd like to do an animated film i'm singing or something cool character or um yeah like do some sort of gene kelly type you know figure out if i could dance and sing at the same time i don't know if you could do it you could do it i would do it with rachel rachel if there's an opportunity for us to do it together we should do I mean you can do a lot we've seen it already on screen and that segues well into the film that brings you here which congratulations man this is a small film but like this is like a worthy worthy subject and you guys really poured your hearts and souls into this I'm sure you and Will Poulter Union County is the film and you know all jokes aside like this is serious subject matter this is like the nature of what you shot here I can only imagine how special an experience it was um i don't just give me a sense of like where you were at of like how this one comes around and what's the exciting almost diminishes it but what's like tantalizing about this kind of experience for you absolutely i mean uh and forgive me you know will and adam are both adam meeks is the writer director will poulter's the star uh of the film they're far more articulate about all of this than i am but i'm gonna i'm gonna try my damn justin best um first and foremost i think independent films uh are are not only um freeing and fun and and kind of get to be more edgy i think they're necessary yeah um because they're not beholden to um this this need to make profit off of off of the subject matter right um and so when you're making films for sub five million dollars or sub two or sub one even sometimes um you know you really are just making a piece of art hopefully that's going to resonate for a very specific community and if it if it then goes wider than that you know phenomenal um and so i'm always looking for those things uh to kind of fuel not just the art but there's purpose in that and there's fulfillment in that I think not just for me as a producer and actor, but for the communities that deserve to be amplified.

9:23Speaking of finding Union County, reading the script that Adam Meeks wrote and watching his short film, Union County, same title, just short, it became very, very clear to me that

9:40it became clear to me that this is a director that I want to work with. But the reason is what I think is super important is you find people that are way smarter than you, that know a lot about something, that have done a lot of the leg work, all the leg work, and then you just support them. If you like what somebody is trying to say, trying to do, you should just support them. And oftentimes that's how mountains are moved. so when talking to Adam and seeing his passion his compassion and his is like desire to uplift this community to tell this community stories with them not just extracting the information and pumping it to the world but but embedding with the community gaining their trust and making a movie with the community I just want I gotta be a part of it so like and to give folks some context like this isn't just lip service.

10:35Like, I know a little bit of how you made this, but I want to hear a little bit more because when you say like part of the community, like you're acting around with the community, with these are real people. Yeah, yes. And this is dealing with the cycle of addiction and recovery and the opiate epidemic. And again, a real community that's faced these hardships and these people that have faced this life. And I can only imagine for you as an actor, you know you never want to portray any bs but like when you're next to the people yeah it must feel like more than a responsibility just like they're going to see me if i'm at all false like i have to be real 100 100 it's um so union county is about um a court ordered drug rehabilitation program in Union County Ohio and it follows Cody Parsons who is a young man who has just gotten out of jail that is a qualifier for this court ordered drug program the mandate for the program is you stay clean you get a job and you you know have a suitable living circumstance if you stay clean keep showing up to your job go to your meetings and continue to pay your rent uh that they can help sometimes you do uh after i believe 18 months you'll graduate out of the program you won't need to spend your time in jail you know it's a way of of it's another option instead of just serving time in jail yeah and it's for drug related crimes um and so adam meeks our writer and filmmaker uh And it was so important to him because he was introduced to the former judge that ran this program and to Annette Deo, who is one of the instructors of the program.

12:31She's like a complete angel. And she actually plays herself in the movie. So she's this representative that kind of runs the program and takes all the participants under her wing and keeps them accounted for and keeps them accountable to the mandate of the program. um and Adam besides a handful of us maybe five of us as actors everyone else in the movie is in the program that was the most long-winded way of saying oh no it's but it's important to give them context for like how it's done yeah and you go through this experience with your buddy will who I want to talk about warfare at some point too because that's an amazing piece of work and going through that experience with him and having him by your side of this must be a huge I don't know Relief, you know, you can rely on him.

13:17I know him a bit. He's on the pod. He's like a sweet as they come So talk to me about kind of like having him by your side and does that help kind of go through this kind of intense experience? Absolutely, I think so, you know, he I mean will is just such a warm supportive highly intelligent Caring deeply caring individual is an artist that understands the responsibility of stepping into a community and doing right by that community you know and and of course we work together so we we managed to develop quite a close relationship on warfare like many of us did on that film yeah and we all kind of just gelled so to be able to kind of walk into something as as heavy and and and and like uh i guess real as union county uh with him certainly alleviated some of the pressure just to know that there's someone else in there something that i'll say about union county too you mentioned it in the question before about the pressures of portraying characters within the community or while you know they're around you in the room with you so we have multiple scenes that are uh that take place in in the drug court right and i'd like to just kind of highlight how adam meeks decided to do that So court day is Monday for all the participants in the program.

14:41When we were shooting those scenes, those court scenes in the movie, we shot on Mondays during their court hearings. So anyone in the program that did not want to be on camera for the film would go in first. They'd have their court hearings and then they would leave. And once they were finished, the rest of us would come in. So everyone else in the courtroom besides Will and I were not actors. they were having their court day and so we would sit there and we would we would be experiencing of these very real moments and then out of nowhere the judge would call our name up Cody Parsons Jack Parsons and it would be our turn and we'd be on camera and we'd be doing the scene and you're literally surrounded with people that's lives are changing moment to moment on that day and it's on camera and then you're going up and you're representing them in a way that's gonna be put out to the world so there was this and in some ways it actually made it a lot easier because the the reality is around you the entire time you're subsumed within it and and then in some ways there was a there was a bit of pressure yeah too you know but um it was great more happy say confused coming up

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19:21I mean, I'm curious, like, you know, I alluded to all the stuff that's going on for you and we're going to hit upon all of it, but like something like this, like an experience like this, how much of it, you know, you've been acting for a while now, but are you still like proving something to yourself? You feel like what you can do as much as you're proving it to others? Like what's more, whose validation are you kind of like seeking right now? Is it your own or an external validation you think right now um god

19:53i think i think i i find that chasing external validation often leads you nowhere yeah and it's just you become a black hole it doesn't matter how much affirmation how much validation you get you just need more and more if it comes from outside of yourself that being said i'm not you know immune to seeking that and wanting that um i think that i also there's this thing about vulnerability as that that i need as an actor um that i feel like i'm so afraid of touching and getting close to um because it it hurts and it's super uncomfortable and um frankly it sucks you know And which is troublesome as an actor.

20:41Right. Yeah. And so I think there's a huge piece of me that wants to prove like, no, you can rip yourself open and you can be. Not to say that Union County, I do that because that movie wasn't really wasn't about me at all. It really is about amplifying the community. Sure. And the program, showing people that there are solutions and things that work in existence. but for me as the actor I think I am trying to prove a lot to myself but I'm still kind of just trying to do the thing where I wake up in the morning and I go I like what I'm doing with my life there's purpose in it in some way and I think that's the thing that I'm trying to do you're doing the thing we talk about the themes of this film and like addiction and sobriety and relapse and all that And you look, you were, you've been very frank in talking in the past about sudden your own kind of dealings with that.

21:38And you kind of went the other way at a very pivotal age where you decided to go sober for a year as you're about to turn 21. It's not the way people usually do it. They usually go deeper and you, you took a step back. Yeah, yeah, totally. But like, and I don't want to put words in your mouth on whatever you're comfortable talking about, obviously, but like you talked about kind of like at that pivotal age, like you were kind of not in a great place and you kind of had to kind of find your bearings. Is that safe to say? 100%. Yeah, yeah. And I think, you know, I'm so fortunate that I had the, I do think it's just lucky.

22:23I was able to recognize what was happening to me in my life and the patterns of destruction that I just continued to fortify and partake and participate in that I went, I think I'm at a crossroads. I think if I don't figure this out and stop now, it's going to get way worse. I believe that I was right, you know, But I also had an overwhelming amount of support and love from a community and my parents and my sister. And these are things, these are access to resources, right, that make it a hell of a lot easier to recognize when things are going wrong. So I come from a very, it was difficult for me and it was my experience.

23:15and I'm still reckoning with that, you know, in my own ways, in my own life, but it also quite privileged way to, you know. That there's a way out, that you have the resources to help you on the way out. That I can even identify it. Yeah. And this came like, ironically or not so ironically, you know, it's not always tied to other things, but like you were having success, you're on the Fosters then, like you're kind of like finding like the real, like the career you'd sought for so long. Yeah. Yeah, and then you start. And then did it feel like it was tied to that? Like you were too young and didn't have the tools to know how to handle success at that time?

23:56Definitely. I mean, handling fame and success in its own right is kind of a difficult filter on life to navigate, I suppose. you know people know who you are you don't know who they are and people kind of start to idolize or put you on this pedestal if you're not careful you'll believe it yep you know especially being on sets where you have ad's and people that are at your your beck and call and i need a coffee so can we get anything they call you sir and yes of course they're so sweet to you and they they treat you like royalty and so if you do that as a kid that can really start to yeah incept this idea you might actually start believing that there's a hierarchy yeah um now that being said i think i Before I was on the Fosters, I was just a valley kid.

24:41I was auditioning and hanging out with friends and smoking a lot of weed and partying. And I wasn't really doing hard drugs quite yet. I started to dabble right around the time, right after I booked the Fosters. But it wasn't really because of anything outside of like, I was in a relationship with someone when I was 18. They were a little older. and they were doing it you know and i was like oh yeah this is part of the life this is our lifestyle it sounds fun you're doing it you're cool i'm like i think i love you like you know and the show gave me a sense of comfort and i thought that i had a buffer because i was making enough money to like support that lifestyle um you know and just by the time i turned 21 i woke up one morning and there's a different guy looking outside of my head than the day before and that scared me and i think i need it how are you finding balance now in terms of just like because success is still coming and there are big moments that you want to celebrate and you're at a stage where like now you know there are consequences you know you know what that can lead to 100 i mean right right now man you know the last year and a half has been phenomenal just you know i'm just i've been working non-stop you know i was able to do um six films three indies and three kind of bigger films in the last year and a half or so um and i when i'm working i try to be really really on the like the straight and narrow you know um there's a huge responsibility on these projects and I take them seriously.

26:30My problem is if I have like a couple days or weeks between the projects where I go home and I'm with my family and I'm like, I want to drink, you know, a bottle of wine with my sister and my mom or I want to drink whiskey with my dad. And like, you know, that's when I end up like blowing out because I've been so regimented, you know. And you feel you've earned it in a way. Like I just, I was so good for three months. I nailed it. I can fuck around a little bit and have a good time and then I end up hurting myself or I end up feeling terrible or whatever it is and I think for me the balance right now is I'm back on the wagon proverbial wagon and I think I will be for a while I just had an awesome family vacation and we had a week in Tahoe and it was a blowout you know like i was like with my family and i was like i think i'm good i'm good for a couple years yeah yeah and like you said you know this is there's there's a lot happening right now and i've worked the last i mean 22 years since i started acting but really with this new strategy for the last four or five years and i'm finally at a place where you know we'll see if any of it works but but there have been there's a lot of seeds that are starting to come to harvest over in the next few months.

27:55So totally, totally. And look, I've talked to actors that have gone through the ups and downs and to see where you're at right now, like, you know, you never know how these things are gonna turn out, the best intentions, but you're making good choices and it's really impressive the breadth of the work. Before we get to all the stuff that's going on, we alluded to a little bit of your background growing up. Like what kind of like pop culture wise, what were you like into as a kid? Like were you just genre kid, comic books, video games like give me a little snapshot of young noah um okay that's sick i um south florida suburbs um i played soccer that was my life um i i listened to green day uh switchfoot a little bit of creed uh uh u2 uh movies were the matrix and stepbrothers and uh radio and uh um you know i wouldn't say that like i was like you know like cultured like i didn't know who pink floyd or prince were you know i like wasn't into art yeah um but i was just into being outside you know i was i wasn't i wasn't like a skater kid but i did have a long board and I wrote it daily you know we'd my summers consisted of taking the long board with my best friend Aaron and skating you know all day long just around getting subs from like our local grocery store Publix getting a pub sub shout out and like you know some Arizona iced tea dream day and just like kicking it we'd go around there was a lot of sub developments in construction so we would climb and like like urbex these construction sites um i'd say that was kind of what i was into pokemon i wasn't a gamer but i was into pokemon okay that was my game i loved it i had the indexes and the encyclopedias and what's the equivalent now when you're like not in work mode what are your side pursuits side obsessions i'm such like a generic now i'm such a generic like white guy like i fucking love david foster wallace it's great i'm reading uh consider consider the lobster the short stories right now which i haven't picked him up in a while i'm reading uh i like non-fiction a lot um i'm reading this anyway okay um yeah like i i guess now it's interesting to ask i'm trying to figure out what my hobbies are that's a warning sign when you don't when you don't have don't have them and i think i i've talked to some of my friends about this i think that hobbies are slowly being eradicated i don't think i have hobbies either man you know what i'm saying people don't really like i don't have any like i they're like what are your hobbies uh sometimes i read yeah sometimes i watch movies yeah and go to dinner i like to eat a nice meal nice meal with my friends i think it's weird hobbies are and i'm not gonna hypothesize or you know put any conjecture out there as to why culturally or systemically that's happening but i'm noticing that i think people's hobbies are going away i think it's also maybe in our worlds at least it is a sign hopefully of satisfaction with the work how much we get out of our work that our work is our hobby hopefully and that that's kind of a dream for many people that like the work isn't just work work is the as a passion their life and passion and that's it for me and i think it i think it is for you hopefully i think so i think i mean i love that that's what it is for you you know i think no i'm justifying it to myself okay no no i mean it's it's yeah i think i love what i do you know i've i've committed my whole life to it literally since i was eight years old um and i but i i do think that because of that But I also, like many things, I analyze it and I look at it as a pathway in life and I wouldn't change it for anything.

32:09I recognize how lucky I am to be doing it and the work that it's taken and the luck and the help from other people that it's taken out of the blue to have me be sitting here with you today. But I do look at it and I do question it and I look at the world and I go, is this the most fulfilling thing? you know and then you do projects like Union County or warfare and you go yeah no this is it well and you've you've talked about like how much that was kind of a shift in your brain to like realizing yes it's the work but it's also like how much you get out of giving back and kind of like putting something out into the world and the universe and that can come through art that can come directly through acting hundred percent there's content there's entertainment there's art and I think art art is something that is fulfilling is a catharsis content and entertainment is phenomenal people people are living their lives and they want to come home and they want to veg the fuck out and they want to laugh and they want to watch drake you know give birkin bags out on kick you know what i'm saying crazy yeah i think that's phenomenal that stuff is important you know but when it comes to you know um me and what i'm I'm trying to figure out when do I feel the most fulfilled, which is a luxury to be able to even ask yourself that question.

33:31I'm just trying to figure that out. And maybe it's the fact that I have the time to ask myself that question could just be the problem, right? Yeah, most people are just trying to survive, man. Exactly. Exactly. Which is also probably why hobbies are going away because people are working so hard on just surviving. Yeah. All right, let's talk some career moments. some career mo we talked a little bit about um foster's obviously a huge moment before that i've heard you mention i think somewhere like teen wolf auditions was that was that the closest thing to a big break before the fosters did you think you were going to be tyler posey or oh brother brother i auditioned for timothy chalamet's role in interstellar stop and ruined it i did it so bad i had there were some i should you know manchester by the sea look at that just roll yeah uh-huh uh-huh uh butchered it

34:33what's the opposite of killed it butchered it dude fucking carnage like walking out of the room knowing you like no i was like i was like what's what's this casting director's issue no no were you in the room with no one little shit dude i went into the room and i was in this is manchester or the manchester by the sea sorry i'll tell you the story for interstellar view we're here hilarious dumb as hell can't wait so dumb um sorry paps um he probably doesn't even remember anyway manchester by the sea i go in there and they they said uh you know in the instructions for the audition you're married to copy right it's kenneth logerman yeah so it's like he's like you say the words as they're written this isn't an adam mckay movie this isn't like this is an anchorman yeah it's like show up and shut up and say the words this is david mamet like 101 yeah and uh i go in there and i'm like instead of i i said like you're instead of you are you know and casting so he was like it's uh it's it's you are i was like right right weird and like i just didn't i didn't understand what i was auditioning for i didn't understand the gravity of it i understand like by that that point in my life dude i was a valley kid smoking weed auditioning yeah like uh there was no craft yeah in it for me you know i didn't understand the difference between being on disney channel and like art you know not not that disney channel is not art it can be it can be canceled someone's like i'm so daring what is it the dispended the descendants i love the descendants shout out sophie carson um so anyway needless to say i did not get the role because i didn't know the lines okay well enough so lesson learned but the interstellar audition was i mean teen wolf was hilarious i auditioned for it so many times and many times i was told that like oh you're the favorite we're highlighting you we think you're amazing and then i just never got selected which is totally a part of the job you go in and audition thousands of times and you don't get it um but the interstellar audition was um it was at a compound that had a huge concrete wall around it and a big metal gate that slid open when you call it you hit the buzzer and uh so it's intense and my my boy aviat bernstein who's here in new york i got dinner with him last night i've known him since i was 15 we grew up auditioning together we lived in like a garage and we're seated together for a while we're teenagers and and uh so he's my my day one and so at this time he's actually there he's actually i smoked weed for the first time with him right so this is my boy and at first i was like how could you do that don't do that and then we started and anyway weed's not good i don't suggest smoking especially not today it's not the same shit that they smoked back when bob marley was doing it used to have six percent thc now it has like 45 thc it's not even the same drug there's a difference between like taking a sip of beer and then like slamming an entire bottle of vodka you know that's the it's a different thing today i think i'm not a doctor don't take any whatever but at the time aviat and i were blazing that shit every day you know what i mean so so but we would wait until after the auditions but he would come with me to my auditions and I would go to with him to his audition so I said I got an audition there's a pool inside the compound of this one you should come with me no no no and he's like I'm in this is a great idea in the history of ideas this is the greatest idea greatest idea for interstellar if I had only known at the time so I hit the buzzer and I go hey no it's today yeah come on and the huge gate opens you know i mean aviat walk in and beautiful pool pristine pool pool house with the casting associate in there little stairs that go up to this cool little shack where you do your self tape or you do your audition tape i just was hiding into the thing you know and uh i'm sitting there and i'm waiting there's a few other actors that obviously know what they're auditioning for that are taking it really seriously and i'm just sitting there goofing off with aviat and i go to the casting associate i go i noticed you have towels down there there's like a whole ledge of towels i said is that so are we allowed to swim she goes well no one's ever swam before i said but i see you have towels she goes we do have towels so i'm like oh yeah cool cool cool good to know noah yeah oh great so they i go up i'm like do the audition i walk out of there i'm like fucking killed it dude I earned a lap or two I fucking yeah dude Nolan's calling me tomorrow it's happening and um yeah I earned a lap or two that's exactly what I felt and I came out I said oh yeah let's go we got dropped trowel went in our underwear and swam around like fucking idiots and you didn't get it weird I know one of the kids that was auditioning there became a friend of mine and he told me he got called next and he went in there and he fucking was like this fucking kid who just was in before me totally fucked my process he went in that pool this is his name blah blah he told me later that's what happened and sold you out yeah for good reason i mean we were like california girls supposed to be working over here you know what i mean my parents put a lot on the line so that i could have a career and i'd you know you were there for the pool party not the no one experience it's ridiculous dude so so if You were wondering about culture growing up.

39:50That's kind of like, okay, you've come a long way. I think so. More Happy Say Confused coming up.

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41:50so so some auditions went better than others yeah to all the boys that worked out that worked out that worked out i showed up to the tall the boys audition in slides socks basketball shorts and a shirt or a hoodie and uh and tomorrow was like the casting director was like when you come back you have to wear closed-toed shoes i was like okay and i was late and i brought i sent them cupcakes because i was late i was a mess dude i was a mess i was a mess and i kept showing up though that was what i think was this thing is i just kept showing up oh my god oh my god this is therapy today you feeling better you feeling good i feel great so i mean i want to hear look there's some people that run away from associations with the thing that gets them here and like you know the the ya of it all feels like i've moved beyond it whatever and like in some ways you you are you're evolving and you're doing different kinds of things but like you go back and you do exo kitty and and lana does too and like i think that that really i'm sure the fans really really appreciate that and this is obviously always going to be a huge moment in your career that you are going to put on a pedestal i mean just talk to me a little about, I don't know why it's important to kind of keep that link with the fans, with the material to go back.