Oscar Isaac, Vol. II

21:58Yeah, 10 years? 10 years. Do you remember this? It was in the East Village, you were on a roof, it was like chanting, it was an amazing cast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rosario was there, Chris Pratt was in it. Yes, I'll never forget, no one remembers sadly that. In his John Candy phase, you know?

22:10Oscar Isaac:186 005 Right. Exactly. And yeah, so clearly you were embracing through that role, but also just generally... 186 005 Yeah, and that role came around. So yeah, it was like there was a lot of music bubbling up around that time. Yeah, and then Llewyn Davis came, and that was the first lead part in the movie. 186 005 So before that, though, like it's funny, so I had a conversation with Tony Gilroy for the podcast about a year or so ago, and he talked about this audition that you give for Bourne, for Bourne Legacy. And he said, in no uncertain terms, like you blew him away, blew the producers away.

22:42And there was a moment where they were gonna try to fight for you to be the lead.

22:45Oscar Isaac:And then that moment passed. It happens. You got your time. And they surrendered. No, but again, you know, and that was an incredible moment, like coming in and doing that. And then him being like, you're my guy. I'm gonna, you know, really try to make this happen. And I remember being in the car with my mom in Florida, been like two weeks after I had done this like eight hour screen test. And I had I had, what's it called, not broken my foot, sprained my foot really bad skateboarding. And so when it came time to do the screen test, I had a boot on. So I was having to be like born, but hobbling around, trying to look tough.

23:25Oscar Isaac:It's for the character. So at that point, Tony was like, I can't do anything for you. But no, I remember getting the call. He was like, it's not going to go your way. I'm so sorry. And you know, it's like, it's just, you know, we got to, it's, they're just too nervous taking a chance. someone that's never even been in the lead in a movie before. 00.001 S? But there must have been that moment or two where you're like, you start to plan out the next five years. 00.001 S? Oh yeah, I was like, I gotta start doing motorcycle training, and I gotta... 00.001 S? Yeah. 00.001 S? And then a few weeks later, Llewyn Davis auditioned.

23:54Oscar Isaac:So I would not have been available to do Llewyn Davis. 00.001 S? I mean, things would have worked out, but... 00.001 S? Which is, again, so you don't know how it... 00.001 S? The way that things play. And then Tony was like, I'd love for you to come play at least a part in the, and so I'm in the very beginning of the movie. Right, right, right. And I get a rocket to the ass. Classic Oscar maneuver. Classic Oscar maneuver. But that's amazing. I mean, Tony's just, he's brilliant. He's got an incredible movie coming out. I know the chemists, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm very excited for that one. Speaking of like, so was Pedro a contemporary way back when?

24:25Like, were you guys up for similar roles? Like, did you have a crew that you were kind of like always seeing at auditions like way back when?

24:31Oscar Isaac:No. No, not so much. We did a play together. Oh, was that it? Okay. Yeah, we were in a play together. And we became really close friends from that point, you know? But it wasn't... No, I don't think we ever were at an audition at the same time together. Okay. So, Llewyn Davis, I know we've talked about this and you've told the story a lot. But getting that role, obviously, a game changer. I've talked to so many actors that went up for that. Like, they saw so many people. A lot of people, it was like, that was the last audition I did. It was a big one. Everybody put themselves out there. How aware were you?

25:08I'm sure you've worked with actors or met people that were up for it. I think even like, I think Fassbender went up for it. Were you aware of who was...

25:19Oscar Isaac:I don't know if he told me that he went up for it. Maybe he did. I'm pretty sure. No, I knew that it was really sought after. But I think I got so hooked on to the... It was less about the other actors. it was more in my mind like of course they're going to have to get somebody that looks like Dave Van Ronk like a six foot four Swede um and I'm not so much that and so I that's what I was more worried about yeah and when I came into the audition I remember seeing a picture of Ray LeMontagne and I was like oh he's kind of smaller and darker he's got dark hair and I said and this was for the casting director I said oh so you guys are you're looking at that type too and she said, no, no, he came in, he crushed it.

25:58I was like, oh, okay, good, cool, that's

26:01Oscar Isaac:what I get for asking. And then I got a call back, and then eventually got the part. 06.003 S. Is that still like, it's probably hard to reach that level of that phone call, that email, when you find out you get that lead role in a Coen Brothers movie. Is that kind of still one of the highs, if not the high of a career? 06.003 S. Yeah. 06.003 S. Yes. 06.003 S. Did you call mom, dad? Do you remember what you did? 06.003 S. Yes. Yeah, call mom dad. I just I couldn't believe that I was rehearsing for a play and I Got there that day and I was like, I can't believe it. I just freaking got there. There's a good believe it.

26:35Oscar Isaac:Yeah it was it was an amazing moment and I had Emery and my mom came up and stayed with me where I was staying and celebrated and it just was It was a man. I remember walking down. I was in Tribeca I was like I was staying at a friend's house I was just like walking down the sidewalk and it was Joel that called to tell me that he's like, so we want you to do this. Right. The most understated Coen Brothers way, right? Of course. Did you, when you look back at that shoot, was there ever any kind of imposter syndrome or kind of like, did you feel like, no, this is kind of what I've been building to and I'm the right guy for this?

27:08Oscar Isaac:I think almost neither of them. Like I get so like, it was more like tunnel, a little tunnel vision in it. You know, it just is like. Because there's so much work to do. It's like I just have to get to do the job. It's like being in the foxhole. We're back in the foxhole. I'm gonna rename the show, In the Foxhole. In the foxhole we're here. So, it really, yeah, I like, it just gets narrow, and it's just like, okay, today, what's the next thing, what's the next, without getting too caught up in that stuff, because it's just crippling otherwise. Yeah. So, in the wake of that, I mean, I love A Most Violent Year, which more people should see if they haven't seen it.

27:41It kind of like, it feels like, those that see it, they know. They know how special that movie is. people have seen Ex Machina and love that film. And that begins a friendship, I would imagine, a collaboration with Alex Garland, who's like a singular talent. I mean, you shot that as I recall, I believe in Norway and the UK. It's kind of like part of that experience tied to like, I was way, I was out there in the strange kind of like remote environment. This weird look, no floppy hair. Like what do you, what pops to mind when you think of that experience first?

28:14Oscar Isaac:well pops of mine is Alex coming up to visit me I was in Denmark and we I think it was like three days he got a hotel room and we just sat in a room and went through every single possible angle of the script to understand the puzzle of who this person is and what is he doing what is he pretending to do what is he you know it was very like almost like tech like building a robot together is what it felt like with Alex. And that was, I think, the first time I really did that to that extent, where it was just like, you know, and it wasn't even about changing this, changing that, but really getting into all the granular bits and pieces, and looking at it from every angle to really understand it.

29:00He's an intimidating guy. I mean, I don't, you know, like, he doesn't suffer fools, like I sense, he's a...

29:06Oscar Isaac:Yeah. When my wife bit of it for the first time, she's like, he seems like someone who's really trying to not be angry. You're about to... You might set him off. Just a little... Just right there, I'm trying. I'm trying. Right. He's amazing. He's got an incredible sense of humor. He's so funny and just razor sharp. And I really hope one day we get to do something together again. And then when, of all things, the dance becomes the talked about moment, the meme-ified thing that people still send around to this day, how does that sit with you that you have this iconic dance? It's fantastic because again, it was such a genius move on his part to suddenly spike this crazy dynamic, this tone that's just dread and ominous and then suddenly there's disco dancing.

29:52Oscar Isaac:Are those your actual moves? I assume there was a choreographer. Oh yeah, there was a choreographer. There was a very strict choreographer, Mr. Disco of 1995. What? That was... He had been... Anointed such. Anointed, yeah. Wow. I mean, 95, you know? Classic. I also thought I was rewatching it this morning. I was like, I forgot what you're wearing in it too. And it's like you're dressed like General Zod in Superman 2. Do you remember that? It's like this like... 06. It's just a hoodie. It's just an open hoodie. No, you've got a lot of chest exposed. 06. 06. Well, the chest is... 06. You don't want to deny the folks that.

30:26No, I can't deny the folks that.

30:28Oscar Isaac:But yeah, I'm just wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. But he wears it like armor. 06. We've talked about Star Wars once or twice. Rank the films for me. Rank your three Star Wars films. What's your favorite? My favorite experience of doing the first one was so wild. Yeah. There was so much excitement and everything was new. Yeah, I think the singularity of that thing was amazing. and getting to meet JJ and becoming close with him and John and Daisy and reuniting with Adam because he had done Llewyn Davis. So that was all just such an exciting moment. I mean, I love, it's like, I feel weird that I'm scared to say this, I love The Last Jedi.

31:16You know what it's like out there. It's insane. To say that is like, oh my God, they're going to come after me. I love that movie though so much. I mean, you were a Star Wars fan. You know what fandoms are like, but did even the extremity of the reaction to, especially Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, surprise you?

31:33Oscar Isaac:Not really. I mean, like, yeah, I've grown up with, like, fans and geeks, and, you know, like, that's been my family. And so I know how much ownership people feel over them. But I also loved doing Last Jedi with Ryan, like, getting to meet him, and he's just so laid back and sweet and funny and, you know, trying to, you know, also make it his own. And I loved that. And Benicio being in it too. Doing stuttering. Of course. It was a good way that that came about. I mean, it was Benicio being like Benicio-ing it hard. It was, yeah, I really loved it. It was just an amazing experience to spend that much time in London.

32:14Oscar Isaac:Yeah. Yeah, it was great. Now, don't get mad at me, but the somehow Palpatine returned line, it follows you. It's on the interweb. It's out there. Do you remember reading that line and being like, that does a lot. That line is saying a lot. That's doing a lot of work. Those were reshoots. We had to do reshoots. When I look at it, I'm like, the wig's pretty good. I cut my hair already. It had come in. Yeah, man. Those are like those surgical strikes where you come in and... Trying to make sense of it. They're like, yeah, scrambling, trying to get everything going. And I think that had been... Yeah, that was like a new addition.

32:54Oscar Isaac:Right. And, you know, so there was a lot of movement and flux throughout that whole thing. But had you asked me if at that moment I thought that was going to be one. I never know what your legacy is going to be. Yeah, yeah. Dancing in Ex Machina and somehow Palpatine returned. Yeah, yeah. I mean, hey, man, I mean, I committed to the exasperation, that's for sure. You did. Now, I did pin you, I did corner you on the carpet at the Globes about that Soderbergh script and you pretended like you had no idea what I was talking about, the Hunt for Ben Solo thing. Now, Soderbergh's talking. He's saying how much he didn't love...

33:3606 Soderbergh He has a lot of talking now. 06 Soderbergh Yeah, he's doing a lot of talking because he knows, he says it's never gonna happen at this point. Are you willing to say... Did you actually read it? 06 Soderbergh No, I didn't read it. I had nothing to do with it. 06 Soderbergh Oh, okay. They wouldn't show me that. 06 Soderbergh Okay. So you found out about it like the rest of us? 06 Soderbergh Yeah. been like, you've worked with Soderbergh way back when. Way back when, yeah.

33:56Oscar Isaac:One of the very earliest things. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I was in there for a week or something. Can you imagine a Soderbergh Star Wars? That would have been amazing. I'm sure. It would have been incredible. Okay, so last thing. If you're a betting man today in 3, 5, 25 years, am I going to see Poe again? Like, where are we at? Because I'm sure... Maybe.

34:18You're in theory. Si Dios quiere. you're open in theory yeah okay yeah okay there's a world left i don't know what you're talking about everything is great oscar speaking of which apocalypse perfect segue great let's just end with that not the movie just just the apocalypse yeah good place to end things no we can't end there um like you joked about like you know you went in with the right reasons and you wanted to work with these amazing actors and we talked about the makeup was not what you expected and it kind of closed you off. Is there a lesson to be learned from that experience for you?

35:01Oscar Isaac:Well, not really, because it's just you don't know. It's impossible to know the way things come together. There's so many people involved. I've talked about the makeup, but the makeup part is like, I love those guys. Those guys were so good and really talented. And every time it would get better and better, like you know the the application and the taking of it off and you know it's like a whole team of people so when i say how hard it was just hard to be encased it you know like it was it was it was really intense you know um do you have the head mold anywhere do you have that like no i do have i have like the belt buckle there's like a big a belt buckle and the oh there was like a a a hand, like, wrist thing that was really cool, like, the way it was designed with all this, like, alien, kind of semi-Egyptian stuff on it.

35:51Oscar Isaac:And, yeah, I mean, you know, I wanted a shot at it. At first I was like, this was, you know, this was, you know, nowadays I think, you know, when you see what they did with Thanos, you know, you're like, okay, you've got to be big, you know, and, you know, you can't really fudge it. But, you know, it was a swing. It was a swing and a miss. Not a miss, just the swing that, you know. It happens. More Happy Say Confused coming up.

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37:24You did dive back into the comic book with Moon Knight. Was that a tough decision? I mean, was that just about if I'm going to do a superhero character, do one that has these issues? This is a cool one.

37:34Oscar Isaac:Yeah, I'm also a fan. And I'd gotten a few different Marvel things. And there was something, I really liked Muhammad Diab. I loved his movie that he had made before Cairo 70. There's a number. I can't remember the number. Sorry, Muhammad. But it's an incredible movie. And I just thought, oh, this guy's got a really interesting point of view. I had never heard of Moon Knight before. But I loved what it was trying to do with the idea, and I saw an opportunity. And this is something that Willem Dafoe said to me one time. He dropped, pick up that name real quick. When I asked him, I was like, how do you pick stuff, man?

38:19Oscar Isaac:Is it like the director, is it the script? And he just said, I'd look for space. Is there space to do something? Is it, if it's like, deliver this thing, and he's like, no, I don't want to just deliver something. I want space to create something. And in that one, I just saw a lot of space to be like, you know what, if we really take it seriously and really look into what it's like to experience the idea, then there's an opportunity to do something special with it. And so that was the impetus and the decision to do that. Anxious to do more? I mean, there's always talk, obviously, and a lot of people always talk about Midnight Suns as a potential film.

38:59Oscar Isaac:Yeah, there was an interesting talk about Midnight Suns. I mean, again, it's a, there's a, fragility is not the right word, but it's like a very tonally, it's really important, you know, because we're playing with real stuff with that one, you know, like there's like, it's expressing something very real and challenging and difficult. And so, you know, for me, yeah, like, I feel like if you're going to go, you know, it's not, you got to take it really seriously as well, you know, even though it's a crazy comic book, but that's what it's trying to do. It's doing both of those things. It would be.

39:31I've been trying to help our friend Ryan Gosling get the Ghost Rider part for a few years. We're trying to make that happen. I'm trying to manifest this. I don't know why this is a struggle. This seems like a no-brainer to me. Make it happen, fellas. Right? I mean, it's a no-brainer. You, Gosling, Mahershala in a film?

39:44Oscar Isaac:Me on the back of the bike, just holding on to it. I don't know about that. I mean, come on, man. Fire and the cape. What a poster this is. That's the poster. That's it.

39:57Is it hard for you now? I mean, like, so you're, you're. Make it happen, internet. Yeah, exactly. Make that post. They will, trust me, they will. You're an actor that has the luxury of choice, which 99 % of actors don't now. Was there like a big shift in like, oh wait, I can say no to things. Like, was that tough to kind of like figure out? Yeah, yeah, I felt irresponsible to say no to anything for a while. You're conditioned to be like, chase it.

40:19Oscar Isaac:Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. Yeah, always in that kind of state of falling apart. like, this might be the last one, this might be the last one, it might be the last one. 06. And especially because, and I know you talked about kind of like that period of time in like 2017, 2018 when you're losing your mom and you're working a lot and it's kind of like, is it safe to say that that's kind of like a shift point, like a wake up point? Like, I need to take care of myself, I need to take care of my life and my family. 06. No, it took many years after that. 06. Oh, really? 06. Yeah, yeah. Good long decade stretch before I realized, yeah.

40:52Oscar Isaac:06. But you're there now. 06. Yeah. 06. Yeah, there now, there now. And also, you realize any yes is a no to something else, and any no is a yes to something else. So it's not... To think of it in such binary terms, you're like, no, it's just being... Allowing something else to be. 17 Declan - But I get it, because it must be such a mind fuck, for lack of a better term, to be like... Because I know, for instance, I don't know if this is an example, you were attached to Megalopolis. A lot of people were attached to Megalopolis. But to work with Coppola. 17 Declan - Yeah. 17 Declan - And then to say, I gotta do other things and take time for myself, is like...

41:26Oscar Isaac:really really hard. It was really really tough to do that. Yeah, and I've had to do it a few times since then where it's like if everything was a different way I could do that. And the old part of me could do that. Yeah, and I said I heard someone say once you can have anything you want but you can't have everything you want. And so picking that anything, I have to say yes to this. That means I have to say no to that. So where are you at right now in terms of I see on the IMDb there's a bunch of stuff. I mean, I'm gonna hear you in the new Spider-Man movie, I'm sure. But what's your attitude in the kind of next couple years?

42:04Like theater's a big commitment. I saw you do City Pristine, you were amazing in that. Thank you. I don't know if that's a priority, but that's a big lifestyle commitment.

42:13Oscar Isaac:It is, I guess. Very labor intensive doing a play, especially a Broadway play. Not as bad as a musical on Broadway. That's like the most labor intensive thing as an actor one can do. Would you ever do a musical? Yeah, it's possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's possible. Like you haven't sung on film in a profound, like a major way since Llewyn Davis, right? I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Is it time? It might be time. Mamma Mia 3. That's it. That's the one. We're manifesting so much today. Yeah, so much manifesting. But I mean, again, I guess just broadly speaking, what are you, where are you at right now?

42:49Like what are you, what kind of things are you looking for, lifestyle, work-wise?

42:53Oscar Isaac:Yeah, I don't know. Not sure. Maybe something that keeps me around, you know? Kind of going off, away, far away. I've had little kids, so that can be challenging. So probably something that, you know, keeps me nearby. I can take a briefcase to work in the morning and clock out and come back. Are you working insurance now? Yeah. That's the block? Yeah, so I've been thinking about that. Are you showing the films that you grew up with to your kids yet? They're at that age now where they can probably appreciate some of the movies. Not quite yet. I think there's, look, there's a lot of dad around now.

43:27Oscar Isaac:So I feel like a little, you know, meaning like, you know, it's just like they've got to deal with a lot. They've had to come visit me and go on sets and stuff. So it's, they saw the Star Wars movies a while back in Marathon with all of them. Oh, wow. Yeah. But I think it kind of washed over them a little bit. Did you go from prequel? What was your order? How did you do it? I know I went. Original trilogy. Original trilogy. Then prequels. Then, yeah. There's no right or wrong way. It's just the way I experienced it. Exactly. Exactly. What did they think of, did they stare at Poe Dameron and say, that guy looks familiar?

43:59No, they were like, hey, dad, but just like not, it wasn't that wild, you know?

44:05Oscar Isaac:Yeah. Because it's, yeah, it's just, that's their life. I feel like my dad pops up and stuff. Right. Sometimes. Before I let you go, I do want to mention, because we never really had the official chat about Frankenstein, and what a phenomenon that was. Like, I mean, what a remarkable piece of work from everybody involved. And that takes a lot of people to make it happen. I mean everybody loves Guillermo we all love him like journalists love him the whole filmmakers actors love him you might work with him again potentially right were you surprised I mean probably not surprised but like he's sounds like he's an actor's director for someone that's so like style like oriented that's a rarity I think someone that like sees the big picture but also can be there for the actor well he what's amazing about him is he's you know he is in open communion with existence in such an incredible way.

44:58Oscar Isaac:You know, he's got so much flow and such an incredible lack of pretension. And so he's very open with the way that he's constantly learning and changing and shifting and moving and letting go of things. And, you know, he can talk about how he was so controlling at one point, about his vision, the thing that he wants to make, and how over the years he's found a new way. I mean, with Frankenstein, the thing that he's wanted to make for decades and decades, he had so much. He would let go so much, which was incredible to watch. He would allow me and I to find the scene. I mean, sometimes it took a long time, and we'd go through all sorts of different things, and he would do stuff on the fly, even with a crane that's moving all the way around, But to give the space to allow for that stuff to happen, that also was a bit of a new experience for him.

45:52Oscar Isaac:And I know that happened quite a bit with Bradley as well on Nightmare Alley. And that, you know, so he continues to evolve and is very proud of that too. To be like, you know, and as an example for everyone else, to be like, yes, you can really have a vision for things. And still be open. And still know that this is a family outing. No, you're right. I mean, he was on the podcast during the tour, and I feel like his mantra over the tour was like, the movie tells you what it's going to be. Yeah, yeah. And that takes security in your own... Because there's ego involved, I think, for a young filmmaker, right?

46:30Oscar Isaac:Well, it's a necessary thing early on, I think. I do think it's your ambition. Yeah, well, it's just ambition into belief and focus. And after a while, after a certain point, I've proven myself. So I've done that so I can now... Yeah, it's a little embarrassing to be that ambitious and private. You know, it's like, it's not really totally up to you. There's a lot of other things that have to happen. And the thing itself is the thing to listen to. Like the creation itself. It's not just your own voice. It's doing it, you know. And so to see him be such an incredible example of that, you know. And he's still, I mean, he's got very strong opinions of things that work and things that don't work.

47:09Oscar Isaac:And, you know, I mean, it was, it's all him too, you know. I mean, the way that he puts those things together and the choices that he makes and the way that he directs not only the actress, but the entire production that's happening. It's like an incredible thing to behold. Yeah. And I think the reason that movie worked at the end of the day also is just the emotion behind it and how people connected with that kind of like that father-son story. Like behind all the spectacle, it really is like arguably one of his most, if not his most emotional films. Yeah. I mean, it's a really true expression of himself and the things that he loves and things growing up and the things that have caused him a lot of pain.

47:46And he found, like, the biggest expression of those things in that movie. So you think Fury's going to, what it's called Fury, is that going to happen with Guillermo, the next film?

47:54Oscar Isaac:Yeah, it could be that. But we also have another thing that we're, you know, we're tinkering with that also, you know, we've got a few things, a few things. I mean, he's my guy. He's like a family member that I just, you know, we found each other. Have we let go of the Metal Gear Solid dream? There was a moment where it was going to be Jordan and you, but now they have these Final Destination filmmakers attached. Yeah, I didn't even know that. Yeah, that's a dream for someone else to realize. Fair enough. But I'll always love Hideo Kojima, and maybe one day we'll do something again. You can't do everything.

48:31Let's end with this. The happy second few is profoundly random questions for you, Oscar. Are you ready? Yeah. Are you a dog or cat person? Dog. Is that Lou and Davis? I don't know. I guess that's why. That's exactly the start. What do you collect?

48:49Oscar Isaac:What do I collect? I guess you could say I collect guitars. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. Do you have a favorite video game of all time? Favorite video game of all time?

49:05Oscar Isaac:You know what's coming to mind right now? Maybe. I mean, okay, I'm going to say two things. One, because it's the first thing that came to mind, and my cousin passed recently, and he was like my brother growing up, and we got into video games together. And we had the best time on, it's the Star Trek video game on Super Nintendo, was it? Okay, I don't remember. I mean, I love Star Trek, but I don't remember this game. Okay. And it just, it was so much fun he and I had together on this dumb game that we never played again. But we would still reference it up until just a couple years ago. We would talk about how much fun we had.

49:43Oscar Isaac:We just went all in. It was kind of emotional, too. Yeah, that was a great one. And then it's just Street Fighter. Street Fighter. Yeah. Okay. Who was your preferred Street Fighter to play? Bison or Guile. Okay. I keep saying that so seriously. Yeah, it's a serious thing. Sorry. The Dakota Johnson Memorial... You want to get in the foxhole with me, then? In the foxhole with Oscar Isaac. Would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt? That's the Dakota Johnson memorial question she asked me. Oh, bee in the butt. Yeah. What's the wallpaper on your phone? It's the changing images of my kids and my wife.

50:21Oscar Isaac:A little bore out. Yeah. Last actor you were mistaken for?

50:30Last actor I was mistaken for. You ever show up, there's a poster of someone else's film? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:40Oscar Isaac:I was mistaken for something. And someone was like, you were in this. And I was like, I wasn't in that. Then there's that fun conversation. Yeah, where they keep telling me that I was in it. Damn it, I can't remember what it was. Okay. You're singular. There's one of one. Some Latino. Stop it. Some brown guy. Stop. I should know. There's a handful of us. Stop. One of them. What's the worst note a director has ever given you? I think it was Diego Luna. I think it was, they kept telling me that I was in Andor. I was like, he's great. I wasn't in it. They're like, but you were great. But I wasn't in it.

51:18Oscar Isaac:But you were great. Cassian, come on. There you go. Tony Gould, man. Hey. I wish I was in that. You saw Andor right now. Incredible. Come on. It is incredible. Last, oh, we did that. Worst note a director has ever given you? Worst note

51:37Oscar Isaac:Worst note Give me a second

51:45Go to that happy sad place Yeah

51:51Oscar Isaac:I won't say What comes to mind now I've had quite a few bad notes What? There was one director That would not give me Any notes directly He would only do it Through the AD It was like he was some way of punishing me. He was so weird. Do you think I could guess it? I'm not going to guess it. But do you think I could guess it? I mean, you could try to guess it. I'm not sure I'd tell you. No, I'm not going to. Okay. But I do remember on audition where I was testing with the actor, and the actor decided to pick up the camera himself and be like, you do your monologue, and I'm going to film around you.

52:29Oscar Isaac:because on the day, there's going to be cameras there. Just so you know, man. Yeah, yeah. It was like, I had done quite a bit of stuff at that point. I just remember being like, whoa, this sucks. So this was like the actor that was already in the film. It was already cast, yeah. And years later, I got to say to the actor, hey, remember that? It's like, I wasn't sober yet when I was there. I was like, I love you, man. I get you. I'm so sorry. You probably don't have to audition anymore. Do you remember the last time you ever had to audition? the last time it was kind of like an ambush audition it was a meeting that turned into like it was a meeting that it was like yeah that it's like I'm just gonna film me doing this I was like oh okay I mean the first like the last like legitimate legitimate audition was for a play it was for Betrayal on Broadway that Mike Nichols was directing yeah that's worth doing that was an amazing moment yeah that I did not get

53:23and then in the spirit of Happy Second Fuse an actor who always makes you happy, you see them on screen, you're in a better mood. Who is it? Oh, I mean,

53:35Oscar Isaac:I've got so many. Will Ferrell does it for me. Adam Sandler puts me in a good mood. No matter what it's in, it could be the darkest thing ever. I'm just like, I'm with you, man. When are we going to manifest the, you guys haven't worked together at Pacino, right? You always talk about Pacino and Dog Day. Schnabel. Oh, you were, okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We weren't in any scenes together. Have you seen Dog Day yet? I mean, I know that's an important one. I have not seen it yet. Have you? I have. Oh, man. Bernthal's amazing. He must be. He's great. Yeah, that's big shoes to fill. I'm very, very excited by Quincy.

54:07Oscar Isaac:Yeah. The last two, I promise. Movie that makes you sad? Movie that makes me sad.

54:16Oscar Isaac:Lots of movies that make me sad. The last movie that made me sad. Was it sad? But look, I'm going to say the lame one, because it's the first one that popped into my head, which was from a long time ago, is a movie called Unfinished Piece for Player Piano. It's an amazing old 70s Russian movie. We get it. Every time I watch it, lots of crying. But the last movie I cried at was Better Man. The Robbie Williams. It's amazing, that movie. I even called Guillermo. Did you see? He's like, yes, it's great. It's big. I don't know. It's a full good. Like, this is, how do people sleep on this movie? I know.

54:53Oscar Isaac:Well, the monkey probably did it. The monkey is what made me cry the most. I know. I'm like, oh, he thinks he's a, because he's a performing and he's just a, oh man, it really got me. I love it. It really, really got me. That's a first. Him singing with his dad at the end. I mean, there was like a whole Frankenstein thing happening there too. I just, I was, I thought it was incredible. And finally, a food that makes you confused. It makes me confused. Ooni. Every time. Oh, yeah. Every time. I still go for it. You still do it. No, yeah, yeah, no. I eat it. Definition of insanity. Yeah, yeah, but that's why it's confusing.

55:29Oscar Isaac:I eat it and I'm always like, I'm like, you know, I'm into it. I'm just like. It's a little slimy. I don't know how I feel afterwards. Anytime. Right. And then they're like, this one is the really special one. I was like, great. I'll eat it. I'll just be like, it's super expensive. It must be good. Yeah. Yeah. That's in your goodie bag on the way out. Just like a giant jar of hoony. We have a huge budget here for that. All right, circling back, I'm letting you go on this. True, earnest congratulations. Beef season two, by the time people listen and watch this, it is out. Everybody's talking about it.

56:04Everybody's going to be talking about it because it is truly, truly, truly special and the best things I've seen in some time. Congratulations. And don't let it be another seven years until you're back on the podcast, please. Long time. Yeah. Once you get to the Five Timers Club, you get a free hat. So you've got some work to do.

56:21Oscar Isaac:Okay, good. I want a free hat. I want a vat of Unium for the fifth time. You know what? I promise you. Please. That. It'll break my budget. There'll be no more podcasts after that. And we're done. Thanks, man. Appreciate you. You're the best, man. Thank you. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pushed to do this by Josh.

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