Patrick Ball

26:46And I just said, John, I've been preparing for this my entire life. Let's roll. And I think that's the only hint that I gave them that this was something that hit kind of close to home, but we didn't talk about it. You could very well easily the last couple years not have talked openly about that personal aspect to your life. Why has it been important for you to kind of share that aspect publicly, you think? Well, you know, I think it's something that a lot of people in this country struggle with. And I think there's a lot of stigma around addiction. I think there's a lot of stigma around people in recovery.

27:29And, you know, I had no intention of presenting myself as a poster child for recovery or an example to follow. Like, I'm imperfect about it all the way down the line. But I think it's important to, you know, talk about it and that this isn't something that lives in the shadows or something that can be something to be ashamed of. And this is something that is a shared experience amongst a lot of people in this country. And so I'm glad to be part of bringing that into public discourse. What do you think the show is getting right that maybe other pop culture depictions of addiction and recovery haven't?

28:10You know, I think it can become a real suffering Olympic thing. It can become a really sort of, and everybody's story looks different. Everybody's story looks different, But it's not necessarily the person curled up on the floor or the person slumped over on a bus stop that is struggling with it. It's somebody that you know. Statistically speaking, I almost assure you that you know somebody that is struggling with addiction. And it may or may not be super visible. And so I think showing that struggle of somebody that is fairly high-functioning, I know that I've got many people in my life that are very high-functioning, hold down very serious jobs and are respected members in their communities that really suffer in silence.

29:08And I think that is a story that I don't see depicted a lot and very, very glad to be given that opportunity. So for all these reasons, your connection to it, the level of the material, the actors involved, you get the offer. You find out you get it. That must be a moment that you always remember. What do you remember about actually finally getting it, landing it? It was amazing. I was sitting there with my girlfriend in Fort Green Park, which is my favorite place in the world. And the process had been sort of dragging on, and I had expected to get the call one way or the other on a Friday. And I didn't get the call, and they said they were going to take the weekend.

29:53And meanwhile, I'm currently signed up to do this play where I was supposed to be playing Achilles. and I was like man if I'm going to play Achilles I need to hit the gym I need to put I need to put on some weight I need I need I need to get big but if I'm going to be playing this doctor I need to not be hitting the gym I need to look like a doctor and so but like I'm running out of time here and I need to make a decision and you know we're sitting there in the park and my girlfriend is like listening to me just like stress out in every different direction and she and she just says to me she says well Patrick I think it's important to you know acknowledge all these things that you got to sort out but I think it's also important to just like what would be cool about each one of these opportunities like what would be great about them right because I can get really sort of preoccupied with the problems right and as soon as she asked me that question my phone rings and it's it's the call from the pit and I literally I I literally lost it for a second and it was a really beautiful moment and it was really right on time.

31:02And then that beautiful moment lasted for about 15 minutes and then I realized that I needed to move to LA in two days and I had to figure out all those problems. The practicalities jump in. The dream is realized, wait, I need a plane ticket, I need an apartment, I need... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you call? I mean, it must have been very emotional also, just like telling family the financial side of things you talked about, like finally knowing that you're going to be able to pay this albatross that's been over your neck for years. Yeah, and I didn't... Again, the reality of... It's just impossible to understand how much your life is going to change at that moment.

31:47Yeah. You know, it's impossible to really appreciate that. You just immediately fall into, okay, what is the next right thing? What is the next problem I got to solve? And it really wasn't until I paid off those student loans in the fall where I sort of saw that number hit zero. And I was like, whoa. Like, life. Because, you know, I got that call. I had to move to LA to start pre-production in two days. My girlfriend was currently in a play in New York, so I spent those two days watching her in her play. Had to find a place to live. Had to figure out how to get an accountant. And, you know, I moved to LA.

32:31I'm staying in this, like, little tiny studio apartment behind this family's home in Elysian Park. and then you're just like, okay, you show up for your first day of pre-production and they're throwing a bunch of medical jargon at you. They got a bunch of actual ER docs in there and you're meeting all your castmates for the first time. And really just like front of mind is just like, don't get fired. Don't get fired. Keep your mouth shut. Don't say anything stupid. Don't give them a reason to fire you. And that fear lives on for about the first six months of this process. Right. Well, that's the thing I was going to say is like once you like, okay, you get the part, you get the part you've been like dreaming of for years, you get the security.

33:16And then like the neurotic in you in all of us, I would be this way is like, okay, now how do I keep this going? How do I like maintain the momentum? How do I like make this not a one trick pony? Are you relaxed enough to feel like, okay, I have security. I've paid off what I have. I have this, the Broadway show is going great. like things are moving in the right direction. I don't have to have the kind of anxiety that's been part of my life for the last decade. Has that alleviated a bit? Yeah, yes and no. Yes and no. Like I think, you know, this too shall pass. You know, and I have been on the ride long enough to know that like I'm in this moment of incredible abundance and this will pass.

34:07But I feel very lucky to be on this show and to know that Langdon's story is going to have a third act. And I feel like I have writers that understand that and have been so successful at making television that spans over time like this. And I'm in love with this character. And I'm in love with this story. And I'm in love with this world that we're building. and I would be in love with it if I wasn't in it. I think it's a show that I really believe in and I'm very excited about being able to come back to this year after year. But as far as do I think necessarily that Broadway's going to call again next year?

34:56I don't know. I hope so. I hope I get to do a movie at some point, but none of these things are guaranteed and I've been around long enough to know that. So before we dive a little bit more into the character stuff and the actual narrative of the pit, I'm curious. We didn't talk when you were growing up what you were into. Obviously, you were a theater kid. But what were the movies, the actors, the genres, the franchises, posters on your wall? Give me a little bit of a snapshot of what you loved as a kid in terms of pop culture and TV and film. Let's see. Posters on my wall. I had Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan and Frank Sinatra.

35:33Nice. The hits. The greats. The greats. I think the movie that made me want to become an actor was One Flipper Cuckoo's Nest. Fell in love with that movie and in love with Jack Nicholson. R.P. McMurphy is, I think, one of the greatest characters ever written. And then I remember watching There Will Be Blood. And so whenever I was in high school, from age 16 and into college, from age 16 to age 21, I worked at a movie theater. And it was like it was not the nice movie theater in town. It was sort of like the$4 cinema. and I would sweep up popcorn in between the different showings and I would sneak into the back of all the different movies.

36:31And so for five years or so working at this movie theater, I got to watch literally everything that came out. And I don't know if that's necessarily how the dream began, but I very specifically remember sneaking in the back of that one summer when There Will Be Blood and No Country for Old Men came out. Yeah, that's like 2007 or something, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I probably watched both those movies 15 times. You lucked that into a really good summer, like a good year. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's jump back into the pit, because there's so many great relationships, like how Langdon kind of interacts with a few of the characters I want to hit.

37:12Like you working with Issa, who's also on Broadway right now, we should say, and Just in Time, very cool. But, I mean, the friction, the tension between Langdon and Santos is so delicious. It really comes to a head this season. I think it was in episode 11. What do you enjoy about kind of mixing it up with her in this season especially? It's great. And I hope we get more of it moving forward. I think this relationship between Langdon and Santos is incredibly interesting. These are two characters that have a lot in common. um that for whatever reason are just like two magnets face the wrong direction and they just sort of rub each other the wrong way right from the very beginning and i think you know i think uh there's a lot of story left to tell there i think there's a lot of water in the well and i'm excited to see what comes comes of that relationship moving forward and isa is you know one of my best friends on the show uh we hang out all the time she's become great friends with Alicia and we got to go see her do her thing in Just In Time and it was she was amazing yeah and it's fun it's fun you know like we're both theater kids and there there is there is a different vibe to people that started in the theater of just being able to sort of collaborate and jam and also have Issa comes from a theater family as well and she's talked about this about Well, you know, her dad, John John Brionis, is, you know, theater legend.

38:46But whenever she was growing up, they had not made it necessarily. They were working actors, but they were not in that place of security yet. And so anybody that has spent a life in the theater like I have and like she has and like her family has knows that this is yeoman's work. This is journeyman work. This is not all limos and big houses and red carpets. This is humble work. And you feel that when you work with Issa. And I really, really appreciate that. Is there hope for Langdon and Robbie at this point? A lot of water under the bridge, a lot of tension throughout. I mean, the season ends when Langdon kind of like giving it right back to Robbie, kind of like saying you're the one that actually needs to help himself, needs some help.

39:44Must be delicious to work with Noah, but like, I don't know, what do you see? Do you see a future for those two to kind of reconcile? Yeah, I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be different. I think, I think at the end of season one, you see this very close friendship, this mentor-mentee relationship. I think Langdon spent much of his life wanting to be Robbie and wanting to grow up and be exactly like his mentor. And I think that relationship got severed at the end of season one. And I think he came back in season two trying to reclaim that relationship. And it became very clear that things were never going to be the same.

40:30and I think over the course of season two you see Langdon come to terms with that and realize that and at the in the finale you see that confrontation and be like okay I accept we will never be the same you need help I hope you get it and also like I hope that this relationship can continue to be a positive one and a healthy one but we're both gonna have to change right in order for that to be the case because I'm not going to be the only one holding the bag. There's so much. I know you've talked a little bit about kind of like maintaining a little bit of a distance with like all the social media, all the fan interactions, because this obviously, you know, the show has quite the following in terms of whether it's fan theories or takes or whatever.

41:17I mean, this year there's been so much like narrative. I don't know if you how plugged in you are of like, wait, is Robbie an asshole? Is he like the villain of the pit? Like, have you tracked that one? What's your take on Robbie? as, I don't know, good or bad dude on this show. I don't, I think this show does a great job of pushing back on the good or bad dude binary. Like, I think everybody is flawed, and I think everybody is equally flawed and equally redeemable. I think Robbie is a character that carries a lot of responsibility. He carries a lot of responsibility for a lot of people. And I think that is true to life.

41:58And I think anybody that does this work for real knows that you have to put your own needs aside frequently in order to attend to the needs of others. And I think that Langdon has been very privileged to, in a weird way, has been very privileged to not be in the pit for the last 10 months. And to get the help that he needs and to be able to sit down and face what he is going through. And I think that is a luxury that Robbie has not been afforded. and there is work that he needs to do for sure. But he has to continue to show up every single day in the pit and jump on the grenade and respond to trauma after trauma after trauma and have an entire staff that he is responsible for their training and education and sort of maintaining morale amongst that staff and attending to the needs of both his staff and his patients.

42:54and that leaves a very room very little room for him to face what he needs and and yeah and i think that's very true to life i think that's very true to life and i think that is a that is a sacrifice that that uh that people make that do this that do this work and i think that's why you see the burnout rate among health care professionals as high as it is i think that's why you see the addiction rate in healthcare professionals as high as it is in the suicide rate. This is a population that suffers at a disproportionate level to the general population. I think it is because it's a very difficult line of work and it doesn't leave a lot of room for self-care sometimes.

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45:15practicing ER doctor, but do people expect you to have medical knowledge? Well, I play the screw up of the show. And so... But you're very competent for a screw up. Yeah, I don't think I would be the people that... Nobody would ask me. Nobody would ask me. They might ask Noah, they're not gonna ask me. Where are you? The people want the Night Shift spin-off. Are you pro Night Shift? Oh man, I love the Night Shift. I think so many great characters on the night shift. And very excited that Ellis is going to be getting in the action more next year. Aisha's great friend, love her, Ken Kirby. Great friend, Sean Hattesey, obviously iconic.

46:02I think, yeah, I think the world that Scott and John have created here is just like, it's like a whole cinematic universe. And I think there are a lot of stories to tell. Langdon at home, a sitcom maybe about what's going on. Why not? Right? Sure. Langdon really needs a laugh track at home. That's what I think. We need to meet the wife, meet the kid. Like a nice multicam sitcom. Classic. 90s, like, yeah. Family matters, but with Langdon. I hope it would be a sitcom. I hope it would be a sitcom. Cyrus Khambatta, How much are you creating in terms of backstory and what's going on outside of the lines versus what they've told you?

46:49Do you know what I mean? Ryan Harris, You gotta stay loose. You gotta stay loose. Cyrus Khambatta, Because you don't wanna come up with a narrative and then be like, oh, actually, no. This contradicts your story. Because as Noah said to me in season one, they're writing as they go. This is not the Dead Sea Scrolls. This is an organically developing story. And so if I get too specific about writing myself a backstory and then I play that backstory and then we get a year down the line and they're like, oh, wait, actually none of that is true, that could be a problem. So you keep it flexible. Yeah.

47:31But yeah, no, I had I had conversations with with Scott about what that 10 months away looked like. And yeah, I think I think it was hard. I think it was hard. And, you know, I hope we get to learn more about it. I hope we get to learn more about the family at home and my wife, Abby, and two kids. And I think growing up as the child of two healthcare workers, that was my vantage point. Like in season one, when Langdon gets on the phone and calls home and wants to talk to his kid because they just had this traumatic event of the drowning, the little girl that drowned in the pool and everybody in the pit is sort of shook up by it.

48:24He calls home to sort of get himself together. And it was whenever we were filming that, it was a really profound moment to realize like, oh, I was the kid. I was the kid on the other end of the phone. and so I think my lived experience is knowing very well sort of like how the work that is done at the pit has residual effects or how it carries into the other aspects of someone's life sure and I hope we get to learn more about that yeah I want to get give folks a little bit of a tease for those that are in the New York area are coming uh do the best you can to see Becky Shaw because this is a really, really great play.

49:08We tease it a little bit. I got a chance to see it. It's a great small ensemble. I think I was there when you and Alden met for the first time at a random party. You were like... At the... Yes! At the Golden Globes party. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, oh, you guys have met before, right? No, we're meeting for the first time right now. I'm like, I'm witnessing history. Here it is. You guys are both exceptional in this, as is Madeline Brewer, Linda Eamond, the whole cast. let's tease him a little bit of like the show I was unfamiliar with this work kind of a dysfunctional fucked up family you're kind of ostensibly the good guy nice guy wants to help people out ostensibly ostensibly that word is doing a lot here yeah kind of reminded me a little bit of like Neil LaBute back in the day like those people being cruel to each other It's from that era of dramaturgy, for sure.

50:05Right, right, because it's set in what year? 2009. Right. Did you know this work prior to it coming to you? Give me a sense of what you fell in love with about this part, this play, when you got it. Yeah, I wasn't familiar with it before. I got a call from my agent, and he was like, hey, there's this play that's sort of come along. It's Becky Shaw by Gina Gianfrito. It had an off-Broadway run back in 2009 that was a real moment. Like it really had a moment and it sort of was maybe a casualty of the financial collapse and so it never made it to Broadway. But it was a real moment when it came out.

50:47It was a finalist for the Pulitzer. It's like a really smart bit of writing. Give it a look. Let me know what you think. And so I spent a week with it, reading through it, and I was immediately struck with how smart this play is. And, you know, there's a real conversation around sort of the various ways of power play, like the covert power play versus the overt power play. uh there's a real conversation around codependency in various forms of attachment of like of uh there's a conversation around the role that uh money and transaction plays in in relationship and and all of that was just like really juicy and and one thing that did not really occur to me from from reading the play was just how funny it was oh yeah and then we then Then we got working on it and in rehearsal, I think first week of rehearsal, I said to Lauren, I was like, man, I think this play more than any play I've ever worked on, I think the audience is going to tell us what this play is.

52:07And then we got into previews and an audience told us what this play was and we had to learn because all of a sudden you've got this audience that is adding the laughs and the shape and the rhythm of this play in a way that is impossible to predict. But it's just an unbelievably built play by Gina, and just like the tension and release and the balance of like the deep sort of like probing thematic psychology of the play and sort of like the taught comedy and the rhythm of the play is just like truly a masterclass by Gina. Yeah, I mean, Alden was saying to me, even that it's like from show to show, it's like you can feel the audience like on the side of a different character.

52:54For sure. For sure. Like there are nights where the audience is very Team Max. There are nights when everybody is very Team Becky. There's nights when there's Team Andrew. We also like, this being a dark comedy, There are some nights where it's one part dark and four parts comedy. There are some nights when it's four parts dark and one part comedy. And that's the great thing about doing live theater like this is it depends on what night you came. It is a night-to-night experience, and that is really, really exciting. Do you like to know the random celebrity you may or may not know that's coming that comes backstage?

53:36I'm sure you've had a couple of moments already where it's boggled your mind, I'm like, oh my God, this person just saw me do my thing. Yeah, and I think that is a product of getting to work with really great castmates. Alden has a bunch of very fancy friends. Lauren Patton and Linda Eadman are theater legends. Linda has worked with literally every legendary actor you could name. And so, yeah, we've had some pretty jaw-dropping ones. Is there one that kind of sticks out? Like, this is a moment, I'm, I mean, for people, I mean, you just met Paul Bettany, you crossed paths with Paul. Yeah. For like, I mean, you're getting this a lot the last year or two where it's like, these actors you grew up with are like, I'm obsessed with your show, I'm obsessed with you.

54:22Like, that's, it's gotta feel nice. Ellen Burstyn came through the other day. Doesn't get much more. Which was pretty iconic. Yeah. I'm trying to think, had a, one of the guys from Elevator Repair Service came through. Okay. Great downtown theater legend. Yeah, we've had a lot of people cycle through. All right, so big picture, looking forward. You're going to be busy because I think you go straight from this production back into season three? Yeah. Like literally, like the next day, essentially? I think it'll probably be the next day. So you don't have much time to do more, but you'll have other breaks.

55:06Anything we want to manifest for you? You checked off Broadway, I'm sure you'll be back, but we got to pad out the... We got to get some films on there. We got to get some new kind of experiences. Who do you... Who's on your shortlist? Filmmaker, actor kind of experience. What are you chasing? Oh, man. I got to meet the Cinemount Value team at that party, which was really iconic. I love to work with every single one of them. would love to work with Ruben Oslin and Paul Thomas Anderson and Ryan Kugler and Chloe Zhao I got to I got the my life is insane because I actually got to meet a lot of these people over the last year and they know you and they appreciate you it's not just like you're meeting them as a fan they're they're fans of you which is crazy well I still identify very much as one of their fans well but yeah no it's it's it's been crazy um uh so yeah I mean I guess That's the only dream to knock off the bucket list at this point is doing a movie.

56:09Are you a singer? Musicals? Issa is obviously like that's her. That's what she was born to do. Do you have that? I can sing Johnny Cash. Okay. That's pretty good. That's about it. I can sing a country song. All right. We're going to end here. Family random questionnaire for you, Patrick. You ready for this? Dogs or cats? Oh, man. Okay. Okay, so I've spent my whole life identifying as a dog person. Yes. And also as a dog myself. But I've had to accept that my lifestyle does not lend itself to being a dog owner. And so now I am the proud live-in uncle to a cat, a little tuxedo cat named Otis. You only have uncle privileges, though.

56:58You're not a dad. So Alicia, my girlfriend's best friend, Emma, lives with us in LA. Got it. And Otis is her cat. Got it. And I am the proud live-in uncle that gets all the benefits of having a cute, adorable cat and absolutely none of the responsibilities. The dream. What do you collect, if anything? What do I collect? Well, I have an incredible collection of these friendship bracelets. now uh i not exactly sure oh so langdon wears a friendship bracelet wears a dad bracelet in season one and the fandom the pit fandom has really caught on to that and i guess starting during hamlet people started bringing me these friendship bracelets to the stage door and now that has really uh caught fire and so now every night after becky shaw i come out to the stage door and i have literally thousands of these friendship bracelets.

57:58And so I have quite a collection. More friendship bracelets or Crocs at this point in your collection? I have Croc gibbets are the other big collection that I have. But I think I literally have probably a thousand of these things. Favorite video game of all time? Witcher. Witcher 2. Witcher 2. Okay, nice. The Dakota Johnson Memorial question. She asked me this. I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of B's or one B in your butt? A mouthful of B's or one B in my... Wow. Dang. No correct answer there. I'm going to take it in the butt. Yeah. Thank you for that. I'm just going to let that lie.

58:46Everybody take that in for a second. What's the wallpaper on your phone? oh it is a moonbow me and elisa and her friend emma whenever we wrapped season two we took a trip out to death valley together and we sort of sat out we went camping and we made a little campfire and we sat out there and sort of just like recapped on the journey that had just been and concluded and we looked up and there was like a perfect full moon with a perfect sort of moon bow around. I took a picture of it and that's the background on my phone. Who's the last actor you were mistaken for?

59:32Ever happened? Alden Ironreich. Because sometimes we come out to the stage door and there are people that want to get autographs so that they can sell them, and they show up with their big boards to get autographs, but they haven't seen the show and they honestly do not care who I am. And so I will walk out there and they'll try to get me to sign pictures of Han Solo, and I say, no, that's the other guy. That's the other guy. It's a collector's item to have it signed by you though. What's the worst note a director has ever given you? The worst note?

1:00:15Pass, pass, no comment. It's too close to the bone? Just too? Well, I don't. You don't have to name them. I don't know, I think it's an actor's job to figure out how to translate any note. Like a director has their eye on the bigger picture and they might speak a different language of you. like they might say okay don't move so much stand stock still and turn your head a little bit to the right and that's because they have a composition that they're looking after and they have an edit that they're looking after and it is my job as an actor to figure out how to take that direction and activate it into something that is truthful and playable yeah that's the job to translate their technical note into something that feels human and exactly But you want them focused on that big picture.

1:01:06You want them focused on that composition. And it is my job to take that and translate into something that allows me to do what I need to do. Finally, in the spirit of happy, sick, and fuse, an actor who always makes you happy, you see them on screen, you're in a better mood immediately. Keanu Reeves. Oh, I love that. Yeah. What's your Keanu? What's his Matrix? Point Break? All the... Okay. I mean, we can circle back to one of your earlier questions. Yeah. Posters on the wall was. Posters on the wall. The Matrix, I don't know if I had the poster on the wall, but that was another watershed moment for me.

1:01:40I think that is one of the great movies of all time, and I don't think it gets enough credit. Yeah. They're going to make another Matrix, Patrick. How about your film debut in a Matrix movie? Done. Done. I'll do it for free. That wasn't an offer. I can't. I'm not entitled to do that, but if I could, I would offer it to you. Please. Tell your friends. Hashtag Patrick Ball Matrix movie. When? A movie that makes you sad. A movie that made me sad. Drive my car. Oh, that's great. Yeah, yeah. And finally, a food that makes you confused. A food that makes me confused. Mochi. Oh, yeah. What is it? I can't give you the definition.

1:02:22It's soft and gooey. And yeah. What is it? Is it ice cream? Is it a bean? Somewhere in between? I've been told that it is a bean, but it does not seem like any other bean I've ever seen in my life.

1:02:38We'll leave it there. Okay, not that folks need a reminding, but The Pit, it's got a few fans, but if you haven't checked it out or know what you're doing with your life, check it out on HBO Max. But also, truly, I think through, what, mid-June, we have Becky Shaw on Broadway, something like that? Okay, get your tickets now. A great performance, a great ensemble, a great play. I loved it. It's very funny, very dark, very much up my alley. Patrick, you've been podcasted. We did it. How do you feel? We did it. I'm so happy. I'm so confused. Not sad though. Not sad though. Good. All around great experience.

1:03:11We'll do again. Five stars. Five stars. On Yelp. Yeah. You'll rate it. Thanks buddy. Appreciate you. Thanks man. And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't supposed to do this by Josh.

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