Taron Egerton, Vol. III

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0:44I love acting and I love making films and I love the TV work I've been a part of. But I am very comfortable with the level it is at now where I get asked for a selfie maybe, you know, a couple of times a day. The other thing that people experience, I just don't know that I've been built for it. Yeah. I don't know. Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now. hey guys it's josh and welcome to another edition of happy say i confused we have a very familiar face on the podcast returning today it is taryn edgerton talking she rides shotgun and smoke and kingsman and wolverine and all sorts of other things uh always great to have taryn back on the pod this is a great chat thanks guys as always for checking out what i do over here uh click reminder check out our patreon patreon.com slash happy say confused for all the info on upcoming events, merch, all sorts of bonus materials.

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2:36So it's going to be a really cool night. Get your tickets now, August 15th. It's going to be at the Fine Arts Theater, where I've hosted a couple of things in the past. I hope to see you guys there. OK, so quick preamble on Taron. He is a Happy Second Feast regular, I would say. It's probably, I think, his third time on the podcast. He's in a really cool, interesting space in his career right now. You know, he's done the blockbuster stuff, of course. But now he's really found this cool niche. And he'll talk about this in the conversation of these character parts. You know, this is his second Apple show in a row with Dennis Lehane, great writer at the helm.

3:14This one's called Smoke. He's talking about that in this conversation. It's a really compelling drama about he's an arson investigator. Jernice Mallette is a co-star in this. And I'm not going to reveal too much here, but I will say in this conversation, we do get into some spoiler territory. So keep your eyes and ears peeled if you don't want Smoke spoiled for you. tread cautiously. That's my warning on that. He also talks a bit about She Rides Shotgun, which is this fantastic new film. I believe it's opening, I want to say August 1st. Yeah, August 1st. And this is a small indie, but a really cool, compelling drama thriller.

3:55He plays an ex-con trying to protect his daughter. He's on the run. A real passion project for Taryn. He's a producer on the film. So really cool to catch up with him. Like I said, coming off of like the Kingsman films and obviously Rocketman. And to now, as he says, really chasing and embracing these character pieces. He's trying to balance out that career. And I think the blockbusters will always be there for him. Yes, we do talk about Wolverine. It always comes up. He has some really interesting things to say about that, about whether he'd make a good Wolverine, whether he'd even want to play Wolverine.

4:30Some surprising stuff to hear maybe. And a little bit about the future of Kingsman to boot. So a lot to enjoy in this conversation. I think you guys will dig it. So without any further ado, please enjoy me and Taron Edgerton. All right. I'm joined not only by Taron Edgerton, it's Taron Edgerton's iPad, as you can see in the lower left-hand corner of the screen. It's good to see you, buddy. You too, mate. Yeah, I'm good, man. You know, like everybody else, trying my best. Just surviving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So are you between jobs right now? You've got a couple things to promote, but are you gearing up for something, coming off of something?

5:10Give me a sense of where you're at. I don't know. I did finish something a couple of months ago. So I suppose we'll say I'm coming off something because that sounds like I'm very, very busy. Always in demand. Yes. I made a movie at the start of the year and I was in Australia for a few months and I have something that is at the end of the year, but I think I'm looking at a few months of chilling out, I think. I think I'll be filming again in November, I think, so I'm told. I'm just an actor, man. I just do what I'm told when I'm told. When you're called upon. How are you nowadays, you know, having done this for more than a minute with managing downtime, managing the months of waiting, of like we're getting the financing together when like are you terrible yeah it's really it's right it's yeah it's it's actually funny you ask that it's the one of the big things in my life that i'm really cognizant of trying to get better at because um it's i find it challenging i really love being busy and i love working and i love i love filming it's great to have um a big focus but I do find the downtime more challenging.

6:22It's becoming clearer to me as I've entered my mid-30s that you really have to impose a structure and kind of build a structure when you don't have one imposed upon you by filming because, you know, it can be challenging otherwise. I mean, you know, no one wants to hear an actor complain about their life and I don't intend to, but I'd say it's one of the challenges of what I do for a living that the kind of um the the feast and famine all or nothing nature of it you know well it's also like the nature of when you're in production is you are so in it and you are given your schedule you're given your times you're kind of like you're taking care of to a degree and you're also kind of have a very singular purpose and I know some actors like almost to the detriment of their personal life can like you know I'm off the grid for the next four months like i'll talk to you in four months when i'm done with the job so it's it is a feast or famine it's either like oh my god i'm suddenly like i have no idea what to do with myself or it's like i'm so foot laser focused there's nothing else and that's an odd it is it is odd but but also a great joy you know i mean i it means my my life is kind of my life is made up of adventures and and they're they're wonderful and they're glorious and they're in amazing places in different cities and different parts of the world and as far as possible i'm playing somebody who's lived a completely different life from myself and and uh i love all that well that's great but you know it can be hard to then to just come back down to earth a little bit and it's and i yeah you know i sort of i yeah i don't know like the thing i did at the start of the year was quite um It was really all-consuming.

8:11It's one of the more extreme things I've done. It's me and one other actor in the wilderness for months on end. Wait, which one is this? This is in Apex, is it? Is this Apex? Yeah, this is Apex. I don't know. I've not seen a cut or anything of it, but yeah. it's pretty out there for sure wait who are you sharing because I thought there were a few actors attached isn't Charlize in there is it you and Charlize or who are you hanging in the wilderness with it's me it's for about I'd say 90 % of the movie it's just me and Charlize this is a joy they pay you for that that's amazing she's one of my favorite she's one of my favorite human beings I mean you can now attest to this she's wonderful yeah she's an amazing amazing person yeah and so so funny and filthy in the best possible way.

9:07I'm obsessed with her. Yeah. Okay, so we have time to talk about that. I want to get into Smoke and She Rides Shotgun. We have two purposes, two things to talk about today. First, before we get to those two, I'm just curious where you're at right now because the last time we spoke, it was another Dennis Lehane Apple series. And I feel like you're in this interesting transitional point as an actor both dictated by kind of your interests but also where the industry's at. like the industry is so different than when you and i started talking like when you're doing the kinsman films and eddie the eagle etc like yeah studio filmmaking is very specific and it's it's blockbuster or bust streaming is taking over these prestige shows are very rewarding for actors just give me a sense of how different the environment is for you now versus when we were talking 10 15 years ago um well i guess i did i kind of i experienced the very tail end of of um of ubiquitous as you say you know larger budget or middle to large budget budget studio filmmaking or some version of it because the way matthew made films wasn't really is kind of a little structured a little differently yeah but yes you're right i i have definitely felt that i have had to adapt and um kind of shift with the changing industry but it's not it's really not something i've been cognizant of in the decisions i've i've made and it was actually only when somebody said to me recently in a kind of lamenting fashion i hadn't been in a theatrically released movie since rocket man that it really and i it was it kind of stopped me in my tracks and made me for a second i suppose wonder if i only for a brief second but it shocked me it shocked me for a moment and and i thought oh wow my am i am i not fulfilling some expectation of of myself or fulfilling something i should have done but the The fact of the matter is very, very little is made and works in that fashion anymore.

11:27And the choices that I've made, certainly I have to say, if I'm completely honest, the choices that I'm making over the past few years and the parts I'm playing are much, much, much more in line with my taste and my aspirations as a. as an artist, to use a lofty term, but it is, you know, than the movies I was playing, than the characters in the movies I was doing in the first five years of my career. I loved Kingsman and I loved, you know, I love working with Matthew and I hope to do more with him one day. But I really have loved the opportunities afforded to me through Apple and Dennis Lehane, both Blackbird and now Smoke.

12:11They are really, really interesting and really challenging parts, particularly this latest one. It's definitely the hardest role I've played.

12:24And, yeah, the thing with Charlize at the start of the year is my attempt, and indeed Smoke, and also my film that comes out this summer, She Rides Shotgun, they're all kind of in line with... I suppose I'm trying to tread a line between pursuing character roles because those are the things that stimulate me yeah but I do also like the feeling of being um I suppose a leading actor that's a nice feeling too it's nice to feel like you're at the the the spearhead of the storytelling um and also you know not to be crude or crass I also have aspirations in terms of the lifestyle I want and um and the lifestyle I want to help to provide for people who I care about and those are all real world things so juggling all of those things is I guess what's led me to where i am now which is um place i'm reasonably comfortable with i think i think well and the proof's in the pudding the performances are great i mean i i don't want to we're not going to reveal i think by the time this runs on the smoke front it's going to be six or seven episodes in i've seen the entire thing so i don't know yeah it's fantastic and i won't ruin the ending for folks but i'll just say this the final moments of you on screen just just stay to the end because it is just one of the great endings in a series I've seen in a long time.

13:57Oh, thanks, man. It's pretty batshit, but I'm very pleased with how it turned out, yeah. Yeah, so, okay, so for those that don't know, you alluded to this. This is you reteaming with the great Dennis Lehane, obviously a very rewarding experience on Blackbird, another dark, complicated character. But this character, an arson investigator who, we'll start with like one non-spoilery part, then we'll get into spoiler stuff. Sure, yeah, yeah, sure. But we can say there's a lot of duality to this character. He is an unreliable narrator, to say the least. This must be so... Was this immediately obvious of how juicy an opportunity, how interesting a challenge this could be for you as an actor?

14:37Yeah, 100%. My heroes are actors like Gary Oldman and Anthony Hopkins. and and and and i've always felt like i always have felt like this role because it's a role that's been in the in development for a few years now we started talking about it when we finished blackbird but it really it always felt to me like something that would be worthy of an actor like that it's complicated and dark and very ugly and and i think um you know a challenge i think and not for a second please don't mistake me i'm not comparing myself to gary oldman but i am saying that if there's someone i could be it would probably be him you know not you know i'm aware that's ridiculous but um and i and this role of uh dave in smoke from the from the get-go it just felt like something that was too good an opportunity to pass up um i knew a little bit about the story when Dennis approached me about it.

15:44And I think I feel that given the time, since the time of recording the fourth episode is ours, so the first I feel like we can delve into this. By the end of what? It's the end of the second episode is the reveal, right? So he's an arson investigator. I would say a hapless maybe even a little oafish arson investigator who is having very little luck in pursuing two serial prolific arsonists you find out at the um at the end of the second episode that he is the one of the one of them and so he has this interesting thing where he is not he doesn't have split personality but there's certainly a bifurcation of who he is and quite how concrete that is in his mind is one of the many secrets of dave you know because i do think he really believes he is a hero and i think the fact he's an arsonist is a really inconvenient truth for him um i think you know just like you know i whenever i think as people whenever we do things that are bad for us it can feel a bit like we're on autopilot and then we go well why the fuck did i do that you know and i think i think that's who dave is when he's setting fires but um anyway i'm just waffling now enjoying the sound of my own voice what did you know no here's what here's what i want to say i find it very entertaining to watch throughout i find him to be a a fascinating character a comic character in some ways like a deeply yeah sure insecure sad like i love i love like the aspect of him as like this like failed writer this like kind of like struggling artist which i find um really amusing i mean he is um yeah i mean do you find him i mean he's dangerous he is dangerous and i think one of the things that i found most difficult about him to marry is that oafish yeah comedic side of him the clownish side of him and then the fact that within the with you know his function in the show is to be an antagonistic force and someone who can also be reasonably eerie, I think.

17:56And I found those things quite difficult to marry in my mind. But just like Dave, I think you just commit from moment to moment. And you mentioned his aspirations as a writer. That's one of my favourite little features of who he is as a person because it's a really subtle thing, but it says something really

18:17kind of spiritually eloquent about people where his creative pursuit, it nearly saves him. You notice early on, it nearly is kind of the thing that takes him away from this very dark, destructive side of his nature until he's rejected and then it all comes falling down around him. But yes, fascinating role written by the great Dennis Lahan, who's become, you know, a big creative collaborator in my life. And I really hope we do more together. And yeah, I had a wild ride playing him. I don't mind saying it was hard. The first couple of episodes where you don't really know what's going on with him.

19:03Yeah. And I felt like I was flying blind. I didn't really know what on earth I was doing. but I think my vantage point and many others it works very well you kill it as always I feel like the ulterior motive in your career has been these associations with great musical artists because obviously you have Elton through Rocketman you have no less than Tom York doing the song for this do you have any relationship with Tom York? what's the Taron Egerton connection there? that's rare I really don't think there is one like like any um navel-gazing male i love radiohead um but uh i think what happened was um my understanding is he saw blackbird and enjoyed it very much and so i think it was a fairly straightforward thing when when um dennis was embarking on his second outing a showrunner and and that's how it happened but no i aside from being a a lover of of tom's work there's no personal connection.

20:06Okay.

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23:33All right, let's talk a little She Rides shotgun. I got a chance to see this one too. This is another great piece of work. I saw this filmmaker's last film, Calm With Horses, and I clocked him right there. So I'm excited to see you collaborating with him in this. and it's striking on a number of levels. I mean, like, you know, we were talking about kind of the kind of material you've done. This is probably the smallest production I would imagine. This is an indie film. This is a 25 day shoot. This is as much as the bells and whistles are, that's kind of like a thriller, maybe even a Western. It's really a character piece.

24:07It's you and your daughter in this. Yeah. Did you find this environment refreshing, different, considering there were a little bit less bells and whistles yeah i mean again it's it it was something that arrived in my email inbox and i'd seen car with horses and like i you know i think um that was a movie that obviously didn't get a wide release and i don't think it was seen by many people outside of the industry but i think the industry really paid attention to it and And in particular, actors, I think, really love that movie. It's something that I was very struck by as having a very authored feel.

24:51It features two terrific central performances from Cosmo Jarvis and also Barry Keoghan. They're both brilliant in it. And I suppose whenever an interesting independent filmmaker pure expressive and interesting talking to me i i'm always quite flattered by that because you know um people have their different roots into the industry and mine was not through independent filmmaking i didn't it didn't build slowly you know i i just dropped into kingsman so i don't have those credentials you know they're not they're not my kind of um something grand or it's not the way I came up I suppose and so I'm always very flattered.

25:42This kind of film is usually like the first three films in someone's career and you're kind of you're kind of doing it in reverse engineering now. Maybe yeah yeah maybe and so I was in Viral of Nick and I read the script and it just had such heart and soul and it just I really connected with it really quickly I loved the role I loved the relationship with Polly who is the main character of the film and I met with Nick and we sat at a Soho house in London one of the 1500 Soho houses in London and we had just sat and had lunch together and got along and he asked me to play the role. And then we went and we did it in 25 Days in New Mexico.

26:37And I produced the movie as well. And really, more than anything else I've done, from the absolute beginning to the absolute end, it's been a real labour of love. It's hard for making a movie like that. It's hard physically. It's hard emotionally, mentally. you have to never kind of um waver or doubt it just takes everything to get the thing made because it's hard um and um i love it i absolutely love it i love ana in it i love the kind of brutality of it mixed with the tenderness of their relationship and i watch it and i you know i've seen it a couple of times and i don't absolutely hate the experience of watching it which is becoming increasingly unusual for me.

27:27And I, yeah, it's a piece I'm really, really proud of, really proud of actually. I almost never find anything of that much interest in production notes, but I found this fascinating. I read that you asked some notable actors to recommend films that were in the same vein as this film. And I love the people you called upon. I love some of the films they mentioned. I want to talk about this because I, you know, I'm a - Oh, wow. Yeah, I did. So you hit up. By the way, Gary Oldman is like a new spirit animal of this podcast. I've done a few things with him in recent years, and I am obsessed with him.

28:03I was obsessed with him growing up, but I'm now obsessed with the man, too. So he was one you hit up. Has Gary become someone you've kind of, I don't know, forged a bit of a bond with? Not at all. I wish. No, he and I met at a thing and he had seen Blackbird and liked it very much. And I had seen pretty much everything he's ever been in and liked it very much. Big fan of everything you've done. Everything. Yeah. All of this, this all works for me. And yeah, my mind is frantically working out to try and figure out what these actors told me to watch. I can remind you if you want. He, I think he said, he mentioned straight time.

28:50Yep. Straight time. And Gary Olman Thomas watched Straight Time. Yeah. And the conversation, the conversation is one of my favorite films anyway. And I, but I hadn't seen Straight Time and it was a really interesting comp for this. And, and it was lovely actually. But just over, just over text, you know, I mentioned that I was just preparing for something that I loved and a bit about the genre and just asked him for something that he you know i think i just asked i asked him and two other actors who i admire but just performances that inspired them or that they thought might be um galvanizing or invigorating or whatever so he he said gary oldman said straight time and um and then i asked uh uh i asked stevie g and steven graham steven graham is actually he is actually a friend Stephen and I are he's somebody that I you know see when we're in the same place and you know I'm friendly with Hannah his wife and you know that was less of a kind of a bolt from the blue Stephen said Gary in something it was State of Grace State of Grace Irish lobster as I recall yes that's right so Stephen Graham said State of Grace and then I also I also there's not a name drop because you've teed me up so then also I did I asked Joaquin Phoenix and he I mean he sent like a really long list like a really really really long list which was lovely of him but the one that I remember was actually it was the one that I remember that he was really emphatic about was um may december and he had been very moved by uh charles melton's performance in that and i loved that film and i thought charles was amazing in it yeah um but i can't remember what else he said did i say something different on the production you said he sent a long list so you didn't cite any so now that's fascinating yes yeah yeah um but I think I was just felt like I was embarking on something that felt very really stripped back you know very like not a lot of money involved really in the grand scheme of things and it just felt like a very pure experience doing a very intense story with a very young actor um who is I think one of one of the most extraordinary I think she's up there I really do I just think she holds her own against any of the great child performances that I've seen anyway.

31:43And yeah. I like what you said about in reference to this and in Smoke, in terms of like, you know, Smoke, you're referencing things like, you know, people like Oldman and Hopkins. And not to like compare yourself, but to say like these are, it feels like a role that could have potentially back in the day been worthy of them and you want to aspire to their heights. And I think there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I think a lot of people were really inspired in a way or kind of loved when you probably saw this when Timothy Chow may won. I think it was a SAG award a year ago. And he said on stage, he's like, I want to be one of the greats.

32:13Like, I want to I'm going for it. And it's like, there's nothing wrong with that. You're not saying you are the greatest. But like, why are you doing this if you're not trying to be, you know, equal or on the same playing field as the folks you grew up worshiping? I don't have a question, but I just I think there's nothing to. No, no, I think it's right. No, I think I'm, you know, it's probably very British of me, but I, I, I, I don't for a second want to be misconstrued, but yeah, absolutely. I, you know, this is the only thing I can do. It's the only thing I do, you know? So I, I, I want to look to the stars to be like the people that, that most blew me away when I was deciding this is what I want to do.

33:00And one of the amazing things about being a successful actor is sometimes you get to ask your heroes. And it's fucking amazing. It's an amazing privilege. And it's, you know, there's a lot about it that sucks, you know, and I know, you know, I actually make no bones about saying that. But, like, there's a lot about it that's, like, great. And that's one of the things that's really great. it's a real privilege no totally i mean one of the things that sucks not to do like the woe is me thing but i do find it interesting like i know you left social media a couple years back and yeah you're dipping your toe back in now it seems yeah it's gonna last it's gonna last until the end of the month i basically just wanted to share the trail of the shoe ride shotgun i i get it i get it but like it does strike me look we catch up on every project but like in between you kind of disappear i don't see photos of you at parties or anything nowadays and i don't know if that was different 10 years ago or if this is a lifestyle change or a philosophical change but like you've it seems from the outside looking in you've made a choice to kind of like create a lifestyle and an environment that's healthy for your brain your body whatever is that is that fair to say i don't know yeah i think um um oh god it's a complicated question to answer you're right i don't go i don't go to things I don't um you know I'm not um somebody who lives in the in the public eye other than when I absolutely have to and um I think in some ways that's you know I could be grandiose about that and say that it's uh a kind of uh a withdrawing or a kind of something that I feel I don't need or but the truth of the matter is it's probably based on on a fear on some fear in me really you know I I um I don't it's not a world I feel comfortable in it's not a place I don't I find if I'm on set and I'm doing my thing I feel very very very at home if I'm stepping out of a car to to something where there's photographers and other people who do the same job as me but I don't know them i i feel uncomfortable in my skin i it's just not my you know um my world really um i actually wish i was better at it but i um yeah i don't know i think i i think um i don't it's funny it's always funny to hear somebody else's perspective on your life i think that's another thing that's really strange about the the job and um and and the life of somebody who is an an actor but also maybe a known person or you know you have to reconcile you have to consistently keep reconciling who you think you are with what other people's perspective of you is and um and it's a head fuck you know it's like it's a weird thing well yeah every single day when someone approaches you at a starbucks on the street they are bringing some kind of preconceived image connection with you yeah it's a one-sided relationship that you're catching up on yeah yeah and it's it's nice you know it's like people are nice it's it's nice you know it's i just i forget every day right every day i forget and whenever it happens i it's like i get a i get a job like sometimes when people people will like i often walk down the street with my headphones in and people will tap me on the shoulder and i jump out of my skin every time every time i jump out my skin and i get a shot of adrenaline and anxiety and neurosis through me because i just am not expecting it i i don't you know it's it's almost i almost feel a bit like i'm um i i get i suppose i i don't know i just i can never quite figure out why it's probably better to to feel that than to get too used to it you don't want to be used to being like constantly celebrated and loved that's like that's a mindfuck of itself like yeah but i mean that's that's also i i that isn't you know i'd be grossly misrepresenting what my life is like if i was constantly people throwing flowers celebrated love yeah um uh yeah anyway it's you know like anybody else like everybody else in the world i really really really believe that we all face our own version of the trials and tribulations of life.

37:34You know, and mine are really very pedestrian in comparison to some other people's. So important to keep all that in perspective as well.

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