Rodney Mullen Meets Andy Anderson

26:11Tony Hawk:Did you have a horse? Yeah, I grew up around him. Yeah. Yeah. But was there one that was yours? Yeah, I had one when I was a little kid and That didn't go well and oh and yeah, it was ponies had a complex Yeah So yeah, there was something more involved. It's like an album cover Later on of course you're around and always feeding them and you end up back on them, you know I grew up with. Like, I know that feeling, the smells, everything. Like, there's something to it. Yeah. And I feel like it's like a giant dog. Yeah, it is. But also, it has like a giant heart where I feel like he knows my feelings.

26:49Because he's feeling that too. Yeah. You see, as good as it gets. Jack Nicholson. That's how I was with my dog. It's like, he's all grumpy. He's all whatever, like, loaded dude. And then he sees the dog screwed up like he is. OCD. And then he's like falling in love because he relates. Oh, my gosh. I did the same with my dog. The dog was crazy. Yeah. And I seriously, I loved her. You know? And so next time I'm hooking her up with lights and stuff. I got up to 114 LEDs, you know? We go out at night and it was the coolest thing. She would pull people over. Is it? Funnest thing. So my dog was completely screwed up, but I gave her this jetpack type of thing.

27:24And we would just go out every night, come back 3 a.m. And anyway, that's life changing for me. Lit up. In Ojai. Funny.

27:32Tony Hawk:A jetpack? That's the next. No, he's saying like I didn't actually have the Jets I was working on it You never know But it was the right thing It was the lights You never know You're right Because radar jamming was a thing You know It would be funny Anyway So my point is I got radar jamming My dog was like Batman best Yeah Yeah It's badass, man I love that I love that analogy though As soon as it gets He's actually There's a line in there That I say about Cavi Which one? When he's like You know They come and go And they don't realize they just met the most amazing woman that they're ever going to meet he's talking about the waitress yes oh wait yeah right yeah oh my gosh i know someone's got that quote it's a sweet one yeah yeah yeah anyway back to tony i think it's awesome it's a good one yeah it's very for me in my life and where i've been this is a an excellent term because you've had like multiple lives yeah a little bit but it's very uh like it's like therapy but the way that it makes more sense to me than some dude hearing my problems i mean i probably gotta have that too this horse just gets me and i and i feel calm when i'm around him so it doesn't matter about the stresses of life when i get around my horse i just think about like i said dude i don't look at the mountains i don't look at the sky but when i'm with my horse i do yeah it's like i'm appreciating being alive and i know it's him that's making me do that so i'm i'm good man that's awesome i sense it yeah i feel good about it feel good about all that stuff also that thing you're talking about where you're back hurting and then you learn something because god gave you that lesson that's what i believe now too thanks to my horse and other things that i've been doing lately but i believe that sometimes when difficulty comes my way if i keep going something ends up being better like for tony and i i started praying and when I first started praying I felt silly but I kept doing it anyway because I was at a rock bottom in my life and I was getting used to it I get in a person taught me three point stance I don't know why but I was at a meeting and it fired me up I was like I don't it's hard for me to be on my knees because my knees are so sore so when I pray I get I pray in a three point stance yeah when I'm done praying I get up and I get fired up because it's the day is time to go and I went outside and I prayed like I do in a three point stance and I was like God I don't usually ask for this because I'm not supposed to ask for stuff for myself, but I'm going to go skate today with Tony, and if you could just keep me safe, that would be much appreciated.

30:03Awesome. And then I went to the ramp, and I slid out on an Elliott backside Smith grind, and I got knocked out, and I woke up, and this is like a frequent thing for me, unfortunately, where Tony Hawk's there, and he goes, hey, man, where are you? And I go, oh, no, I'm here, and I got knocked out, and yep, you did. and then I was like that's not cool and then he was like no podcast today and I was like come on man he's like no dude no podcast today and I'm like okay fair enough I understand and then they watched me until I was talking and I knew who I was and I'm like I'm good to go home and then I drove for two and a half hours I don't know if I told you this dude but a voice clearly in my head this is dark but it said kill yourself and I was like and I know I've been knocked out a lot and I know when you get knocked out there's like a depression thing there's definitely a darkness this thing that can happen from concussions so i've been down this road before but i never heard this voice like that before and i was like no i will not and now i'm driving for two and a half hours in traffic and it's whispering it to me and i'm like okay i hear you but no i'm not going to and please stop saying that because it's kind of creepy and then i go home and i'm by myself on the couch and it's saying it to me and i'm like hey god remember this morning when i said can i not get hurt what's up with the voice that's telling me to kill myself after i got knocked out that's pretty heavy dude and then i went to sleep and i woke up in the morning another voice said you're gonna be all right jace just eat some food get some rest it'll all work out just take it easy and i was like who's that voice because it was different than the other voice and from this day on that day as well i'll never forget this day the voice that said kill yourself to me and i know it's not the devil or i don't want to freak anybody out it's it's a demon to me and the other voice is god to me and now i hear it and the more and the god voice always gives me good advice like probably don't want to go down there you probably don't want to hang out with that person i'm like i see what you're saying probably won't jump up that step up well there was a lesson in that one shut up stop ruining it but ever since this day i pray and i get an answer and i it's i hear me or a voice tell me this is what this is if it's a choice on doing something i'm an addict man like should i go there should i smoke weed no dude you should not you're doing the right thing stay on the course that voice i listen to if the other voice is like man things are pretty stressful it's pretty bad right now you know if you smoke some weed it'll probably make you feel better and i'm like i know you dude you're the one that told me to kill myself in the car on the way back from the ramp the other day no way no the answer is no and ever since that day it's been super easy for me to make the right choices in life i still make giant mistakes all the time but i no longer make these childish like hurt other people that i care about decisions in my life because it's just a clear voice that goes you don't want to do that dude you're gonna bum that person out or that's going to hurt their feelings or you're going to hurt yourself what about your kids you can call it common sense if you want but whatever it was that day ever since that day i've been on a fast track of like doing the right thing and being a better happier person

33:21Tony Hawk:when was this oh like a year ago maybe less than a year ago i was i've seen i was sobo right yeah yeah it was six months ago but it was the first six months of my sobriety was the biggest struggle you know because I was just by myself and I was like I don't know if I can do it I'm fighting it by myself in my house by myself I mean I got my dogs but they ain't you know they don't have any words of wisdom so it's just like maybe you should maybe you shouldn't and then all of a sudden that happened it's like I said I need help I'm asking for help I'm asking for safety and this thing happened where at at the beginning of it it seemed really bad and unlucky but in a roundabout way it was the greatest thing that ever happened to me because now i hear both and that's the other thing the dark voice doesn't really have much to say anymore because it knows the answer is going to be no so i usually just hear like what are you going to do today it's like kind of so i was like dude get up go do your shit handle your business and i'm like yes i will because i know you see me the right way thank you and then ever since then it's been pretty golden You have chosen wisely.

34:30Yeah. It sounded just like that. Kind of British in the old?

34:35Tony Hawk:It's Tony's voice. Near the Holy Grail? British. You were watching a movie. That's what happened. That's probably what it was. Thanks for sharing that, Jason. Yeah. That's deep, bro. It's awesome. I know it's weird to say it in front of everybody, but... No, it's great. That day sucked, too. Yeah. Yeah. It sucked. You were out. It was bad. Yeah, it was a bad one. I was scared, yeah. I was gone for a minute. Like, not just a, like, whoa, where am I? It was like I was snoring. And, dude, when you're 50, you know, and... The irony was that I was in our meeting room. It's right above the ramp. Having a meeting about helmets.

35:16Tony Hawk:And a new helmet and new technology. And then I hear this thump and everyone's looking down. And I was like, oh, no. And we cut the meeting short. Sorry. It's all right. We didn't work with those people. Well, then you're welcome. So it was meant to be. I don't want to say that there was a silver lining for me for you getting hurt.

35:37Tony Hawk:But there was. Yeah, but that's just like these days now when something bad happens, how you approach it is all different to me now. It's like, well, what can I learn from it? It sounds like it makes your prayers more intense, more direct. Yeah, because I don't think I'm talking to nobody anymore. yeah and there's something i know who i'm talking to but you have bad days we all have bad days do you hear the other thing coming back at you not like that i hear it every now and then i laugh at it now yeah because i'm like shit right because it's usually like you know roddy i've done some weird shit in my life and some of those things get suggested in my mind and i go yeah that's a real good idea dude you should definitely do that and then i go yeah right no no i will not no chance that's the difference where it old me which is crazy old me not only would consider it i'd do it yeah maybe i mean what could be the bad thing about that and now i look back and go that was really bad that was a really bad choice so i want to ask you ronnie well both of you guys because you have said this, Rodney, where you're like, I think we're all wired the same.

36:55Tony Hawk:Some are a little bit more deranged than others, but we all have the same schematics, right? How did you guys stay on the straight and narrow in your lives? You go first. You have really good parents. I know your parents. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you came over for a bit. Oh, yeah. Chilling in the White Rock. We had dinner that night. Yeah, it was cool. Charlie Austin. Yeah, I remember listening to you when we were hanging out having dinner. Yeah, on my high school friends worked at that restaurant. Huh. Damn, that just went... Wait, what was the question? Point being... How'd you guys make good choices through your life?

37:32We made good choices? I don't know. You have, yes. Yeah. Feed the good wolf. I feel like... That's an awesome thing. That's a shirt. Yeah. Yeah. That's a graphic. It's not as good as pony complex, but... I don't know. I want to know your answer, dude. No, you finish your answer, then run these things. I did. I gave a quick one. I gave a quickie. I was trying to hand it off.

38:03It's good handed.

38:08How do you frame it in a decent amount? It is... I think we all have something that is probably a little off. and then you seek out stuff that lets you be free and we found skating together yet we're all really kind of different you know and those nuances and the beauty of skateboarding I think also and I'll come back to staying on the right path but I think ultimately the whole arc of it as if we're done, right? But yeah, man, after the arc of it, is the beauty is we found this place where all of us are drawn to it. We tend to be drawn to things that only exacerbate or help leverage the stuff that makes us different to begin with.

38:56And so we develop powers that make us even stronger in that independence, I think, and whatever it takes to push that little bit extra, where pain is good or whatever it is. And I think at the end of the day, for as different as we are, if we come from such radically different places, we have some connection and bond through skateboarding. And again, that's to me, it's just the beauty of skateboarding. So when you say how I write decisions, I saw not too much detail, but I saw people seemingly squared away that could do not just bad things, but when is it do we discuss evil? At some point you think, okay, that's not just bad, that's getting there.

39:47and then you start wondering why, and then you're on this hyper alert of, wow, there's a spectrum of people. They can be in mansions, they can be in ghettos, they can be wherever, and they all have the same fabric. Some just cloak it a little bit better, right? It's American Psycho style, right? Yeah. Is that what it was? Yeah. Business cards. Yeah, there's that. So what is the point? Is being on the alert for saying, oh, this is what some people very capable of murder or whatever look like, and they're fully functioning, but you're just watching, you recognize them, and you step back, and I don't know, you know, you say you pray, like I always, as a kid, you know, yeah, I prayed, I grew up in the South trying to push away faith because of televangelism or whatever,

40:37Tony Hawk:angry about that, but yet always drawn to it, and then I had an up-close personal with someone who went like committed actually family member and came back had a story of someone who saw a vision that was right when it couldn't be right details and that was enough to change his life and devote his life to Crowley ism and golden dawn and all this hardcore magic stuff he was a had a doctor's degree was a successful doctor and I remember going into his room and you seen those ritual on daggers? You know the squeaky ones? And the candles? But they were in his medical bag. This is the real thing. And it was in his medical bag.

41:23And this is family. And I remember looking at it. I'm thinking, man, these cats are in and up missing around the neighborhood, you know? And at best. And I'm thinking, all right, seeing that kind of darkness, which is kind of what I'm drawn to, I think, Maybe you're the semi, right? You're drawn to something. But then seeing it, that brought me back to light. And so in the arc of things, if I can bring maybe the three ideas together, that recognizing whether squared away suits doctors, there's evil in there. They can be cloaking it. And then people sometimes I remember going on the road with Menace and some of those characters.

42:09A couple of them doing time. one of them right caught with a caught with a body in the trunk type of thing before he's on his way to the desert and and I love this dude and oddly enough to me I trusted him more than people like from way squared away because he would never lie to me my point is being exposed to so many people in skateboarding who are on fringes on edges the wreck you recognize the whole time you have more in common with them than maybe the average people around. At least we have this belonging, right? This, I think, if anything, folded me into whatever you do, we have a certain amount of gifts.

42:54We've been given this freakish thing. Make the most of them, right? Just go try to help each other belong. Sense of belonging. To me, that's wealth beyond all. So what is it that kept me straight? being exposed to stuff that...

43:08Tony Hawk:Or one choice could just turn it into total darkness. Yeah, that's right. People so much like you, people of you think about it, and there's darkness. And then people from another world, and there's so much darkness, yet there's light through what we share. Yin-yang. Didn't you kind of experience that, Tony, when you were... Like you saw people that were in your... Well, sure. My peers, it was all well documented, But yeah, you know, it was like people were partying on the decks of the ramps, you know, while we were trying to skate. And it was like, yeah, and somehow that was a badge of honor.

43:45Tony Hawk:And I was like, that sucks. But you watched their. I watched it when I watched their downfall. Sure. And I watched their abilities decline. Yeah, obviously. And then it was just never like I was I had Rodney's mindset and I'm sure yours, too, where the priority and the skating was paramount to everything else. and I had to do my best skating at every turn at every whatever at every video even just practice sessions I had to do something that I felt like was impressive to myself to be even content right and then going and doing demos and be like I'm going to do everything I have here and I've been watching old videos lately like a few demos that we've done have popped up lately and I eat shit so hard at these demos at least once or twice I'm like no wonder my fucking neck hurts so bad but I had to give it my all every single time and if I was partying there's no way I could give it my all it was going to be half ass and it was going to be terrible phoning it in that was not acceptable is that how you felt right not only how I felt we were just waiting around doing our thing I'll say this I took so much from you watching you do that Not many people related to winning all these contests, right?

45:06And one thing that I would watch you do because the pool stuff, freestyle, whatever, sideshow. Freestyle's awesome.

45:19You're not going to get away with it, Robbie. Oh, man.

45:26Thank you for inviting me to this. How awesome. So great. So, Tony, I mean, you know, Christian, you, like, all that, all the lights at night, like, the drama, all the, like, sequences and flashes. Stacey, oh, my gosh, I listened to your podcast when you talked about calling Stacey. Oh, my God, the fan, you bottled that up inside of you and just sip on it, you know? Dude. That advice, that is gold. Yeah, yeah, Stacey's giving me some, I got it, yeah, I got it written down and read, well read. two notes on that but one first to finish tony is quickly enough is tony i would watch all that drama and you guys flying around and you just killing it and then for all of it and you'd win and then you'd go right back to that back half pipe or whatever and just keep going after the contest it wasn't the contest that gave the contest was the release exactly like i'm liberated from that crap.

46:26Oh my God, absolutely. The best in show stuff.

46:29Tony Hawk:The chains are off now. I hear you. I relate to that. That's how I learned accidents. Wait, that's how I learned accidents. What is that? Invert, like invert to lay back in. Oh, wow. Are you calling them accidents? It was an accident. Because he's being so modest that it's, I was, that was one of the tricks where when I watched the animal chin video, I'm like, how do you do that? And I was positive that he's in a hand plant and then he looks the other way and I'm like, you look the other way and he's like I don't look the other way I fall the other way so I look where I'm going and I'm like how does that make sense it was the day after a contest at Del Mar and then we went obviously the next day I was like yes contest is over we can skate the pool however we want and then I was just practicing stalling Emmerus and then when I just stalled and all of a sudden I fell back the other way and I was held on to it hell yeah which is insane man that slow fall and then looking and you just went with it that's what it was Yeah, I landed super low, but I was pretty high.

47:26Tony Hawk:That must have been awesome. It's funny to think that I didn't think that was going to move the needle or anything. I didn't even think I created something new. It was just like, oh man, that was weird. My needle flew off. You know what I mean? That was weird. And it was more like, I'm never going to be able to recreate that on purpose. And I never really could. But then when it happened, I was cool with it. Yeah, you just lock in. I just saw a video recently. I did Elgarial in a contest to accident. Wow. Because I got stuck there. Cut the clip. I thought he did it on purpose. I got to find that one.

47:59I can't picture this at all.

48:02Tony Hawk:The best part about those days was trying to figure out how to do your stuff. That was the best. I mean, Finger Flibert, that was originally called a mutt air. Did you know that? I did not know that it was called a mutt air. I finally trumped him on some trivia. Good. Dang, okay, no, no. Yeah, that was it because I was like I finally learned a Rodney trick in the air finger flips I called it the mud air. That's perfect. No one says it, but we tried Rodney. That in itself. I'm taking that. I never knew that myself. It was written in a magazine once. I said the mud air and I was like, you didn't read that copy?

48:38No, I never did. You look at the pictures. I was in Australia at a water ski shop where there was a skate section and the guy behind the counter said that there's this dude, Tony Hawk, in America that does finger flip. And I called him out for being a bullshit artist. I was like, shut up, idiot. This guy doesn't know anything. I'm like, how does that even work? He flips it and I'm like, and then what happens? He grabs it again. I'm like, what? The nose again? Yeah. and I'm like no that's impossible that's not how it happens and then we got magazines like a couple months later and there it was and I was like son of a bitch that's a real thing you can do that yeah it's pretty hard to believe I mean he could do that oh I was he could do that nobody else yeah but that's that's another thing

49:27Tony Hawk:around you feel the same way and I sense that you might too where you do that kind of thing and it's it's just your own personal achievement and goal and you don't think anyone really cares It was just so awkward and it was so bizarre and it wasn't cool. You were wrong. You guys didn't have... That's what I'm so stoked about with you guys. You guys didn't have people to look up to that were doing the stuff that you're doing. You know what I mean? For me, I could be like, oh, I'm going to watch every podcast with Rodney and try to find all the nuggets of information that he shares and then implement that.

50:02You guys weren't... You didn't have that. so I have a question for you guys what were your inspirations outside of skateboarding where did you learn about movement and how the body how do you even figure out when you're flying sideways that you can just keep this still and flip that

50:21Tony Hawk:was there a life outside of skateboarding? but like you know what I mean there's some things like wing chung or ballet or stuff like that that might hold these secrets that you brought into skateboarding and then people study the skateboarding, but they don't know the backstory work that went into creating the thing that they're studying. So, unless you want to go. Yeah, I don't... I didn't have any other influences. I mean, I loved, like, at Del Mar Skate Rounds, there were trampolines. Yeah, right. We would go past the trampolines. You tailed those, too. Yeah, we learned how to go super high and flip, and so I learned spatial awareness, I think, doing that.

51:02Tony Hawk:That's who you get. Some of it, but I never equated that to skating. You know what I mean? But it did build you. It definitely helped. It added a little superpower you could tap into. Yeah, if I jump on a trampoline, I get above the amount of air I can comfortably get in a bowl, and my body freaks out. Yeah, that makes sense. The amount of air I can get in a bowl is how high I can jump on a trampoline. Trampolines taught me upside-down awareness. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. foolish yeah because that was i had a trampoline i was lucky my parents had a trampoline and i used to have a skateboard deck and i would uh flip my board and i learned how to do half a somersault so i would jump high and then at the last second tuck my head and land on the back of my shoulders and i could spring off my back that way but it was also i could jump head first and still be safe So then I started to flip my board, and that's how I didn't make kickflip 540 because I couldn't roll away.

52:00But I would flip the board, and I'd be upside down, and I would catch the deck behind my head because I had such awareness upside down.

52:07Tony Hawk:It's so funny hearing that now because that is exactly what you look like. Every time I tried it on vert, I was like, I know that there's a way where you can catch it in your feet. Jumping out of a trampoline. No. Because I just thought it was so much cooler. If you were upside down, inner Christ there. Yeah, you know, you've seen kickflip fives, right? Yeah, for sure. It stays close to the body. It's all. Everything is very occasionally. This is like, what? Christ, let's just flip it. The wall's coming. The wall's coming. Five, four, three, two. The way I would kickflip is I would turn my body, and as I flipped off into the air, I would hold my front foot stiff.

52:45So my front foot would roll off the board and make it do a kickflip. Oh, yeah. And I would feel the board flip behind me and catch it with my hand behind me and look over my shoulder for the landing. But the thing was, when I look over and see the landing, I'm in an upside-down Christy, like eight foot high, and that would be like, this is bad. You know what I mean? It would be like, committing was hard. But it must have looked beautiful in that list shot. Andy didn't make fun of me because I won the best trick contest and I didn't even make it. I landed with my foot off and they were like, dude, you win.

53:17That's insane. I was like, okay, thank you. What do you mean you land with your foot off? My back foot popped off the tail and I went to my knee and stood up again. But you dragged all the way down on your knee? No way. That in itself is nuts. Wow. There you go. I won. I lost some backside air to that.

53:32Tony Hawk:True skate contest form. In true 90s skate contest form, they gave him the first place. Dude, that would be sick, though. Backside air to a back foot off, slow all the way down to freestyle routine. It's all yours. Get out of here. It's all yours. No, but Rodney, what's your answer, bro? Oh, yeah, I'm just thinking of Gino's. I think it was Nolly, Half Cabin. It was Table, Lockwood or something. Gino, right, most stylish ever. Did he shove it out or whatever? I just remember he landed, lifted up one foot, so stylishly and brought it down. But to this day, like, could that have been better? Never, you know, no precedent.

54:08Anyway, one-footed. No, it doesn't go back to me. It wasn't like that, but we liked where you went with it. Okay, okay, far more important, Liz. Far more importantly. And we can get to it. That's fine. But the whole anti-wax thing, that rail, tell something about that story because that is nuts. Okay. I'm glad you brought it up. Tony Hawk uses anti-wax. He did it for his tail block the other day. So I'll see. I saw it. I saw it. It's not just me. Yeah. Anti-wax.

54:39Tony Hawk:One-footed tail tap. People used to be like... I put tape on it like you did for the Chilito. I invented the Chilito. I don't know if you know that. What is that? How dare you? You used anti-wax too? You Philistine. It's a fast plan, tail tap. I invented it. Tail tap, but not body jar. Like actual, you know, old school tap. So we put tape on the coping and try to aim for it. I used to do it up an extension that was concrete coping, so it was easy. Yeah, it was perfect. And then I talked about it on this podcast, and Tony's like, you should do it on the VotRam. I'm like, yeah, let's do it. And every time my tail hit, it would slip off the coping.

55:14And then Tony, the brainiac, was like, put some tape there. The brainiac. And it'll stick. And sure enough, he was right. How long you been doing that, bro? How long you been using that? No, that was the first time.

55:23Tony Hawk:But then I had to bring it back for the one-footed tail tap. But that was the first time? Isn't that like an ancient technique? First time was my Chilito, then he... Wait, what? Oh, no, you know what? I did... I put grip tape on. I don't know if you ever saw. I did a pivot on the ladder. You did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you did? Yeah, on the top of the ladder. That's awesome. Just hanging out. You pivoted. Yeah, because you'll see... I bet you... There's one of me slamming. Oof. Gotta be ugly. Before I put grip tape on it, because I hit the truck, I was like, sick, and then it slipped off right when I committed to going in.

55:56Tony Hawk:If you slip on a ladder... Horrible. Oh, no, I got... Go under the ladder. I actually blame that particular whiplash for a lot of my problems in these years. Yeah, yeah. That's a horrific thing to have. I'll have to find it. You're welcome. Yeah, cool. Can't wait. Well, new meaning. What's that? Just back, new meaning to... Yeah, that trick. Because I look at that actually trick a lot. But... Yeah, well, you know, we have a little cheats. Speaking of cheats, yeah, it's Balboa Park. Tape on your fingers, grip tape on the ladder. Mike Tanasky would not give me peace. Yeah, Mike Tanasky, Mike T, man.

56:32Wouldn't give me peace until I darksled that Balboa Park. And you could really just go in at night, getting booed all the time. And at night, I remember it was chilly and dew starts letting in and it was painted a little bit. and it slides. As soon as you get to the dark side, it just whips out like that. It just goes right to your tail. Yeah. And I was like,

56:52Tony Hawk:oh, it sucks. And you had to jump around this big kind of pillar and spray mount that night. What the hell? I remember just a touch of spray mount. You know that spray glue? What's spray mount? Spray glue that artists use to put stuff. Oh, so it's sticky. And I just touched it a little bit and it just gave me that little bite where I got over it. Yeah, because I had to pitch it out so far anyway, point being. Was that on the obstacle? Yeah, I put it right this much on the ledge. And that's the time you made it? And that's when I made it, like three tries later. Cheater.

57:26Yeah, people need it. So, Antigroup, I want to hear the story.

57:30Tony Hawk:Yeah, you're cheating. But we get it. Yeah, everybody has to check. Yeah, there's so many topics here. Which one do we grab them from? Yeah, yeah, get to the cheat. Anti-wax, anti-wax. so i i i was skating this spot somebody's doing a roof gap there i don't know what school it is in like palos verdes or something and i think john bradford was trying to do this roof gap and then i was bored so i went around the back and then i did that board slide up up the corner thing and there was like a bunch of spots at this one school and a bunch of like 20 rails like there was like like there was a few giant rails that were like pretty feasible right But then there's this one rail that was just not feasible.

58:15It's 16, kink, corner, like 45-degree corner, and then 26. So it's like Hollywood 16, kink, 45, and then bigger than El Toro. And I love walking on rails. I got a lot of advice from a sword fighter back in Vancouver. He said walking on rails. He loves it. I love it so much. Chains, rails. But this sword fighter, he used to walk on railings too. And that's why I ask you about inspiration from other things. Because this sword fighter is like, he was like, you're not frontside ollieing, right? And I'm like, do you skate? He's like, no, but he could see momentum and how momentum flows. And he understood that stuff.

58:55He was like, your feet need to be like, you've never stepped on a board. How are you giving me perfect advice right now? And he taught me a lot, you know? But he was walking on rails and I was walking on rails. I wanted to walk down this whole rail. and we're filming a silly YouTube video with Nigel. Nigel filmed pretty much my whole video, the crazy wisdom part. Man, the bond you get with film. Oh, man, dude. There's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. Socrates for me. Yeah, oh, man. I hear you talking about Socrates and I always thought it was actually Socrates. Oh, my gosh. She goes, you know how hard you miss a girl than a girl?

59:33Oh, my God. How do you know that? I'm glad he said that because the whole time I was thinking that too I'm like what is going on so anyways I walked down this rail I'm all super stoked and we took a photo at the bottom like Andy just did this rail right and then Clive Dixon hits up Nigel and is like there's no way he just did that rail like it was like a kind of it came from a joke oh that's awesome And it was like from then on it was okay. I need to figure out how to do this real But you can't hit Hollywood 16 and like not be flying really fast, you know So we got figure out how to slow it down and gorilla tape is like my go-to for anything I can made like a duct tape backpack and everything when I was a kid like duct tape wallet kid like I'm that weirdo with duct tape I love that awesome.

1:00:28Yeah, it's all like vests and stuff. Oh, yeah, I got I got duct tape Wait, is it right there? Yeah, duct tape. Stick it anyway. Duct tape life. He does not just say duct tape life. It's like a gang tattoo. Duct tape life. Yeah, like, with no hair. He's got a rectangle with no hair. I guess I'm not. All right. I'll take it. It wasn't there, but I took it. Oh, my goodness. Back to the rail. Yeah, so then I was, like, I was scared. I was really scared because, like, it's one of those rails that you could, like, die on and then there's only a few rails like that that call to me. I have to wait for the spot to be like, yo, this is the spot.

1:01:12Like Long Beach Convention Center rail, that rail was like, I'm the rail. And then later I found out that's the rail that Frankie Hill ends his video part on. And I was like, oh, pal, family. Wow. Anyways. Family. Dude, we got that. We got that. That's crazy. Yeah, pal. Did you call Stacy? I'm still tripping out. Okay, back to the... I love Stacy. So I put... Don't we all. A layer of Gorilla on it, and I was still going too fast. So I put another layer, still too fast, another layer. It was like eight layers, and I'm like, dude, this isn't going to work. I've got to think of something else. I need to think of a squishy surface to put under it.

1:01:49So then I went to Home Depot, and I was trying all these different things. And the best thing I could find was an Everlast mat, like an exercise mat. and uh i was testing them all out on the venice skate park handrail they got like a four block it's like an eight stair and it's really low to get on and do that that i call it the super rail i used to call it the slow grind but it's too humble because it was fast as fuck by the end of it but the super rail or whatever uh the run-up is terrible it's a 45 degree angle run-up and it's uphill so you have to like fully throw down and then take a corner and you're going fast to get onto the rail so i had to like these videos will come out eventually like nigel's got all my practice stuff at venice skate park like just going at the weirdest angle trying to hop onto this rail onto the various surfaces like we tried carpet carpet was really fast huh interesting yeah carpet was really fast like it almost felt like it wasn't there tried a bunch of different things but the Everlast mat was working the best, but it would tear.

1:02:58It would tear like your truck would go into it, and it would stretch out and tear. And I was like, oh, I just spent all this money on these random materials, and this is the best one, but it stretches. What doesn't stretch? Yoga mats don't stretch. So they squish, but they don't stretch. So then the yoga mat, and you can't grind a yoga mat. So you had to cover it with the Gorilla tape. The duct tape comes back in So he says yoga mat with the duct tape And I'm like this is it But I had to leave a chunk at the end Without the thing Because obviously it's not going to be the whole rail You need enough speed to carry you through the corner Why am I talking so fast But we got it A lot of layers Dude

1:03:46I'm like out of breath Dad jokes Grandpa jokes Okay. With one layer of yoga mat with no wax, it was working, but it was like really shaky. And then you hit the metal and you fly off. And that was good enough for me, I thought. So I went to the spot and I was so devastated that it wasn't working still. Maybe it could have worked, but my goal was I wanted it to be too slow and then speed it up. Because I really want to figure out how to slow down rails. because I want to be like Nottis, man. Nottis board slid a rail. He didn't even land it in that contest in the 86. And he just changed the whole fucking planet with that, dude.

1:04:29That's wild. And I know when you're a little kid, you see some 400-stair handrail, and you're like, oh, what's that movie where the guy does it? Anyways, it doesn't even matter. But I wanted my video part to have trick innovation and obstacle innovation and filming and release. I just wanted every aspect of it to be contributing somehow. What a great word, to contribute. Yeah, to contribute, right? Because when people can see that you can do that, it opens doors, right? And then when you open doors, then people can walk new places that I'm not going to walk, but they can, you know? And that's kind of sick.

1:05:15So I figured out with two layers of yoga mat and gorilla tape, it was actually the yoga mat I bought in Australia when I was training for the Olympics. And I had it in my room, so I didn't need any materials that were outside of what I already owned. Sorry, dude. I get that. Pick up on that, Australia. But that spirit that you have, so everyone could do this, this is the spirit that you exude. it comes out in every small way that makes you so distinctive and special you contribute so much not by just what you do but by who you are truly what a pleasure to be sitting next to you thanks man well said Rodney thanks I've never gone down that hand route I was going to say it opens up to people to admire

1:06:07Tony Hawk:are locked two layers of yoga mat And then the Gorilla Tape, and then it was too slow, so then I needed to wax the shit. Wait, yoga mat, Gorilla Tape, then wax. No, yoga mat, Gorilla Tape, yoga mat, Gorilla Tape. And then wax. Then wax. Specifically skate socks. That's what we're not doing right. Dude. Oh, man, I missed that. I missed the fourth layer. That's what it was. That totally makes sense. I'd probably do Cholitos every time if I had the yogurt and the grill. Now you've opened up to everyone. But I was hyped that I finally found something that was too slow because everything was too fast.

1:06:48Like when you're at whatever degree hand-rows.

1:06:51Tony Hawk:I love that you did that. It's in rice. I can't relate. But you did a table. I can't even fathom. Like two different speeds of grinding. Yes, you can. Remember the first time you ever did the loop? That is a great point. Remember how you built the loop and then when you did it, you're like, this is not the way the loop should be. And then you built another loop. I'm just saying, I'm talking about the actual... It's the same thing, dude. That's why you guys are gods among men. But yeah. Upside-down awareness, Steve. Upside-down awareness. Just that anti-pump. How does that work? Because you did 700 different...

1:07:29I've heard about it. I'm not experimenting. I don't expect to experiment anytime soon. You could probably nose manual it. Nose manual the loop. Be the first. Let's leave it back over there. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wait, we're talking to the loop couch? We're on the loop couch again? Yeah, I'm looping out over here. Yeah, we're loop couch. Dark slide couch, loop couch.

1:07:51Tony Hawk:We do all this cool. Dark slide loop. Dude, people have been doing street loops recently. I know. Like finding loops in the street. Oh, the little, yeah, yeah. How do you even find, not the DIY ones, but I've seen someone find a spot that was a loop. No way. Yeah, and it was like, yeah, it's like raw street. Yeah, little ones rotting. Like, what's the height? You mean like Stevie did it the other day? Like six feet. Yeah. You don't go upside down. No, no, no. I'm talking about, he's talking about upside down ones. Upside down. And Kevin Kowalski did a loop in a full pipe. In a full pipe. Without the run-up.

1:08:28Tony Hawk:Yeah. Oh, man, I hate you guys. I got a finalist footage. He said it. I know. I said you guys. His head stays in the center. They did a long exposure. How insane. They did a long exposure so you see it. Yeah, so you see a ball. Looks like a clock hand. Yeah, dude. It's insane, dude. Well, Bernquist, like way back, right? Baldy. Baldy or whatever? Yeah, Baldy. He did the same. Wow. The wild thing about that, having loop experience, is that if you're in a full pipe, how to find the direct line and not carve too much because you just don't, you have no point of reference. Is that where you have the line on there?

1:09:03The line saves you.

1:09:05Tony Hawk:Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying on a full pipe. Oh, there's no line. Even if there is a line, you're going to still get completely. Yeah, because you come into it from an angle. The loop that he made after many trials and error, when I did it, he was like, follow the line. Because for me, backflips, backflip on a skateboard, because I'm a vert guy, when I get to upside down, I look to the left or to the right because I'm coming back down where I came from. So the first time I ever went in the loop or the first time I ever did a backflip, I went upside down and then I look like that and I start to do a 180 in the backflip.

1:09:40You do like a rodeo. Yeah, you do a rodeo. So in the loop with the line, he was like, just watch the line. So I, because you want to, you panic and you want to help. You look for help on left or right. You're like, I'm upside down, help, help. But you got to know the line, the line. And then it took me a while. I slammed a lot but it was a pump it's a pump up and pump down and don't take your eyes off the line and then when you do it you're like oh man it's not that hard it is absurdly easy when you do it once it's kind of crazy

1:10:13Tony Hawk:like when you finally do it you're like that's really all it took versus any other like a backslide air doing the loop is easier than a backslide air don't get me wrong it can be deadly yeah if you do it wrong it's chips you're wrong but when you do it you're like that's all really and then physical ability to do it is super easy. Yeah, or you just have a bad day. It's two pumps. Bad day. But I was going to tell you, Andy, I wanted to tell him before I forget that I had the privilege of having a full snake run mini bowl session with Rodney at Pomona Pipe and Pool where all we did was skate the mini bowl at the end for like an hour.

1:10:53Tony Hawk:Pomona Pipe? Pomona Pipe and Pool was a skate park. it was kind of it was in the Upland days, it closed before Upland but you skated it? a snake run, little bull? you did chuck stands on the coping? no, no, he did he did fully extended stalled inverts oh man at the end of the bull of course he did and I remember thinking like to us that was just what we did, right? it was like a mini bull and then I remember in later years thinking I really did, like I had an invert session with Rodney in a pool. That's the biggest brain I'm the only person that can claim that. Yeah, that's pretty... So that brings me to a question for you, actually.

1:11:32So I feel like you, like... I don't know if this is the right word, but, like, transcended contests. Like, I don't know. I don't know what that word is. But just in time for videos, right? And then with videos that opens up this thing where you don't need the consistency so you can try things that are, like, so much harder than what you could prepare for a contest. and like achieve like your your limit becomes your physical capabilities at that point but like can did you transcend videos like is is transcending videos just skating alone at night like is that and like how many tricks have you invented that you haven't told us about like like you know what i mean like is it does it get to that point where you're just like man if I contribute anymore like people aren't gonna know that like people are gonna think that like that that they're like I gotta let them think that they're inventing stuff and you just watch from from the corners and you're just like oh man how cute of you to do that and like dude does it feel like you're just you watch current skating and you're just like I got this from Val's roommate but it's like do you feel like Beethoven listening to pop music like you're just like classical anyways there's there was layered layered things in there had too many so uh thank you but dude i swear to god like there's no way you never figured out the dark slide to switch 5-0 you know what i mean like you have that and like you didn't film it see you let me think that i have it first dude what like that's so nice of you dude are you kidding i will tell you that was that true you did that on world at world park back in those days i remember flicking it to to catch there yeah on axel and then of course shinner's right and i remember like oh and i never went back i never made it but i will tell you watching because this goes to your further question that i never did it but of course it's begging to be done i know that you know yeah it's begging yeah and when you click it and you catch it above and you're like wait a second right it's right there yeah it's right there yeah yeah but when you did it because i remember tony you that's when you text me you're like and he tony was giving you this biggest compliments right that's what i ended up texting you and so tony hit me after hanging out with you he's like dude this guy and uh have you seen his part and i'm like oh it was at my computer

1:14:03Tony Hawk:and I just watched it, turned it up. And when you did that and the look on your face, it was like, oh, that is awesome. You not only did it for like, for the feelings I was having of like, oh, that's an idea. That came from like little bits of where I came. And of course that came from part of the Mark and Zoss and that came, right? We're all kind of in that, right? In some way, shape, form, we're all together. And when you did that and that look on your face and knowing that feeling so well and knowing all the little things that go wrong. And I'm just like, oh, that felt awesome. I was so fired up.

1:14:39Anyway, I hope that gets to your point a little bit of how do I feel now? It's quite the opposite of you taking things further than we ever could have and integrating stuff that they do that I can't relate to at all and you do it all at once. But you did the hand plant session. Like people don't know that. Like you've got to have like tricks that you like aren't filming because you think people are going to feel bad or something. Anyway, I just, yeah. Thanks, Rodney. Thank you, man. Absolutely. I really appreciate that. And I really appreciate you leaving Easter eggs for us, skaters. Like, that's awesome, dude.

1:15:12That's so cool. Like, he did the, I don't know, like, I probably talked about it last time, but he did a trick tutorial on dark slides, and he's like, I want to do this one, but you'll see it in the next video. And it was never in the next video. And you're like, there's no way you didn't do that.

1:15:27Tony Hawk:Oh, you mean the one that you did? The dark slide to Switch 5.0. Okay, yeah. So he left that Easter egg for someone to pick up. That's even better than landing the trip. No, he left it only for you. No, dude, it's for anybody who's exploring. He left it for him, and then he did it, and then there is another. There's a next because of your video part. That's the thing that when you first came on the show and I watched your video where I was like, these are not for me, but these are opening up doors where skateboarding gets it stuck in ruts sometimes, gets stuck in the cool, where everyone's doing this one trick this way, so everybody does it that way, and it's like, what if I do it a completely opposite way and do something at the end of it that nobody else does?

1:16:12Well, that ain't cool. That's not what we're doing. Fuck that. Like, doing your video part, I know there's some street dudes out there that are like, I don't like the way that guy does that. 100%. I'm a vert dude, but I know. I know that there's a bunch of people out there that have that feeling, because I was that guy on vert. They used to talk like that. But now, just opening the doors and being like, I'll do... Bringing freestyle to street is, I would have said, dumbest idea ever. And then I saw your video part and was like, sickest idea ever? Everyone else is a fucking idiot. They should add this to their...

1:16:46They should. They should add it to it. I wish there was a vert way of doing it. I mean, there kind of is. There will be dark sides on vert. There will be. It's just going to happen. Has one, man.

1:16:58Tony Hawk:Which means it's getting... Oh, wait. Jake, right? Jake has tried. Yeah. I saw him trying that at Sluggo's birthday party. Yeah, what about... Is it the guy that had the long hair that cut his hair? He spent the whole birthday party just trying dark slides. Back then? Yeah. No, that was probably like 10 years ago, yeah. That's a while ago. Yeah, yeah. Wow. The guy that does the fakie, like, Cavalier. It was so cool to see. The pop shot, the shove it guy. Oh, Reef. Yeah, they just do Reef that does... So Backside Smith, shove it out. He doesn't know it right now. But if you're listening, you have that.

1:17:34He's the dark side. He can do the dark side.

1:17:36Tony Hawk:Because I've seen him shove it out and it's half flipped. He can almost do all his sevens. I bet he could. No way. Dude, he has a crazy cab late shove it thing that he has. Yeah, cab late shove it. In a way where it's easy for him. He does it all the time. Wow. He has it on lock. Wow. So he has that late shove. Are they super floaty? Yeah. Up there. Yeah, I bet. Good board control with big frontside ollies. He has good ollie board control. Above average, for sure. And he seems like the kind of guy that could be... He just has that... If you can scoop it up, if you can get it up... That might be the hard part.

1:18:20No, when you get it up, then you can catch it, right? It's just a lot of dark slides, you get it, and it falling down and you're trying to you're trying to land like when you can get it

1:18:29Tony Hawk:I need you guys to make a campaign encouragement video to him to do Dark Souls I just did do it pussy I need to do it from you hey Reef you got it I know where you live

1:18:52now I'm coming to his ass if he doesn't do it I know where you live dude dude who invented the front crook was that you uh no but I remember falling in love but front crooks dude like who was doing that I can't remember I remember Shani had good ones Shani oh represent oh so stylish and he skated vert yeah he skated vert yeah killed it Shani dude yeah he came out to Venice for a nine club night got to see him a bunch yeah he was amazing he was a monster uh it's so nice yeah right yeah you know he go he was the first person to get staff where he had it on his elbow and this is this is this is where i'm gonna i'm i'm gonna dispute this but go ahead he wasn't the first person to have it he was the person that had it where we all realized the severity of it yeah how bad it could be because we were like hey you get an infection like yeah man you gotta watch it if you wear someone else's pads like you could get it too and i'm like yeah whatever it's a pimple he got it and a line he went to a movie theater and said he felt sick in the movie theater and came out and there was a red line from the cut going up his vein and he went to the emergency room and they were like if you didn't come in in the hour it'd be in the hour yeah because it was it was on his way to his heart okay so on that note pal tour jesse martinez I Little country kid right And then Jesse And we ended up to be Close weirdly like really close Still to this day And I remember he got Or was getting the same thing He punched somebody I guess in the tooth And it crawled up I don't know the whole story But that's the only other time I've heard about it crawling up And like well you lose your arm that way Because that will When we figured that out I got so used to it

1:20:44Tony Hawk:that I knew it from a distance. Yeah, it was an epidemic among vert skaters in the 90s to the point where they wrote an article about it in TWS. There was an article chasing patient zero. It was rough. One time I was at a pool and there was a guy about to get in the pool and I was like, hey, don't get in there with that. And he's like, what? I'm like, that thing on your arm, it's staff. He's like, no, man, it's a spider bite. I'm like, it's staff, dude. and I'm like you need to go to the emergency room right now the dude goes comes back and goes hey man yeah you were right and I was like yeah don't go in this pool because I was I was like you put your foot in you get in I get out that's how serious I am about what that was and he was 8 feet away I saw it I was like ah staff don't get put that in the pool I'm out because that's how many people I had around me that had added it kept coming back around Katie got up when she was like 6 months old my daughter.

1:21:43Tony Hawk:That's scary. Yeah, and her hair, it was terrible. It was terrible. They had to cut it out. Wait a second, because it was in the bloodstream. It was just around our household. She was in his pads. Right. Yeah. It was

1:21:56Tony Hawk:pervasive at the time. Crazy. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Anyway, I digress. That's like a weird side tunnel of skateboard history right there. Skate doctors, man. That's like, yeah. I had it right on my belt line one time and it just kept and I was trying to I was in denial in the sense that I'll keep covering it with Neosporin it's gonna be fine and I was snowboarding and it just kept hurting I couldn't sit on the lift and I did one of those jumps it came up short and bounced on my butt and it exploded it felt like a water balloon exploded in my pants

1:22:40I didn't think you'd be the most disgusting person of the podcast. And then I had to go, I had to go, you know how they have the little, the little triage,

1:22:48Tony Hawk:like hospitals at the mountains. I had to go to that and they're like, yeah, oh yeah. That's a sound infection. It's out there now. What mountain was that? Cause I'm not going there ever again. That was Colorado. Oh my God. It's got your staff on it. That was Colorado. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay. Fun stories. I got to digress, re-gress. I don't know. But you guys, all those Shaolin monks, like they're so fucking sick and inspiring. And they have this one move where they like, there's one practice you can choose where you're with like the monkey staff or whatever. It's like just a big stick and they have all these different tricks with it.

1:23:29But there's one move called monkey climbing up the tree and it's literally a truck stand. and they just have this stick and they run up and they go like that. Yeah, of course you have, right? Did you see that before you started doing truck stands? That is a legit question. Answer it truthfully. Are you a monk?

1:23:51Tony Hawk:Are you a Shaolin monk? Did you steal that truck and Bruce Lee? Answer the question. You got it, dude. This whole time he's been bullshitting us. He's a Shaolin monk. Now it all adds up What are you? 50-50 Casper Sure, buddy

1:24:13We know who's to credit Yeah, we figured it out Yeah,

1:24:18Tony Hawk:you're a farce, Rodney He's an escaped Charlie Monk I'm going to bring it to the masses You're not skating In the form of a skateboard Yeah, right? No, no, you figured it out, dude. Well done. It's my conspiracy theory. I don't think anybody else has it. That's a good one. I like that one. That one makes me... No, Roddy, did you practice any other balancing moves? No. Yeah, me neither. You guys are the same. You guys got good at skateboarding because you skateboarded. Like, there was no... You skated more. It felt like in our day, nothing was going to help. Yeah, yeah. Nothing else comes close to what we're doing.

1:25:01Nothing else can translate.

1:25:04Tony Hawk:That's what it felt like. Yeah, because you were before other people. Things are a part of everything now, like action sports. Moto dudes are being skateboarders. BMX dudes, they were being skateboarders. Everyone's bitten a piece of this other thing that was the original. Prove me wrong, but skateboarding is the original. You've got your team sports. They're great. I ain't talking shit. but skateboarding was this thing where there were certain people like you guys your era where you were like i am on this between me and this skateboard all day all non-stop because i i was from it i i skated by myself i've made half pipes out of my mashed potatoes i did not hear anything anyone was saying i only thought skateboarding and then when i met you guys i was like oh there's people that think about it more than me that's crazy you skateboarded so much like the a kickflip where you accidentally did it you bailed an ollie and the board twisted and you went that's because you've done billions of ollies and one of them did a flip if you hadn't done if you hadn't done a thousand it wouldn't have flipped like that and you wouldn't have got the idea it's because you did it more than people understand what it takes to be good at something to master something people think you train who lose the weights and eventually you get it no there's an obsession where it's all day non-stop like you skating at your age at the middle of the night still to me dude like i think i'm tough i know tough people when tony first told me about you skating in england in the rain by yourself to me i'm like i think that was before he had hit right i think john wick is awesome and it's a movie you are john wick you are in the you are skating by yourself in the night and you're like the kickflip when you watch the rain go off the side i'm like oh my god that is the sickest story known to man there's no sicker story than that yeah i want to do a kick loop where i can see anything but help that's all i'm thinking when the board's flipping that's what i say in my brain when the board does a kick loop and then if i land i go yeah there was no slow mo i didn't see anything moving shoelaces in the wind like get out of here shoelaces in the wind i saw blood squirting from my shin oh that's pretty cool that's sick oh he told me today he slammed on an alley you backside Smith and he said as he was falling he looked up and saw his board and was like really?

1:27:26Tony Hawk:I was still hung up and I was like are you fucking kidding me? And I'm in the air like and I'm still going to there's still impact to happen. Do you know how cool that is? Like you're on your way down dude like down and you have the thought of not cool man Yeah it was like how do I dare you? Like everyone else would just be like you wouldn't even be able to tell me what you were thinking on your way, Dan. He had really... Such clarity. Yeah. Clarity. Yeah, because it slows down. That wasn't even part of the line. Like, that was just to get from here to the other side as a little, like, whew, yeah, I made my line.

1:28:04Tony Hawk:I'm like, God, this sucks. And then, boom. And then it came down after me. Like, just more literal insult to injury. Yeah, that is insult to injury. I do the tricks, not you. Yeah, that's right. That's funny. I it's stupid but it's you know kickflip stuff of I think it was four nights ago or three nights ago Skating in my usual spot on the other side of the freeway off wherever and yeah keep that as yeah, thank you and cops patrol there, you know cuz it's iffy and but that's what makes it cool, you know and cop rolls up not the first time and And in fact, it was the second time. Same cop? No, definitely a different cop.

1:28:50Not a sense of humor. And so he rolls up and he's like, can you do a kickflip? No. Yeah, wow. Asking you that? Yeah. Yeah, you're like, whoa, dude. Whoa. Not for you. Honestly. And I'm like, and I chuckle. I invented it, you douche. That's what I would have said. Sorry. That's what you would have said. Yeah. There was a struggle because I'm like, I can't or I could or what is the right thing today? Because I chuckled at the thought. Yeah. I genuinely my body language. Yeah. You know what I mean? You're in the moment. Yeah. And he's kind of like, oh, what's a funny type of thing, you know? Yeah.

1:29:40And I'm like, oh, okay, what is the right answer here? You don't want to be boastful, but you have to be honest. But how am I going to do this and tick tock? And I'm like, I kind of had something to do with making that up. And the look he had was, okay, you're crazy. Like everything about it. Understandably, they're not to believe people, but that completely turned him against me. And so then come to, what are you doing here? where do you live all the stuff right and i'm like oh shoot wrong answer but it was one of those things because i was always kind of laughing i think he thought i was mocking him

1:30:17Tony Hawk:you're supposed to was one of your one of your choices going to be here here you go here's a look you know i honestly you're so caught in the moment i'm such a dummy perhaps i should have just done it but my first reaction was just kind of giggling i'm like i can't believe i'm at this phase and then finally it ended with have you ever been arrested and I'm like oh man for doing kickflips maybe you're about to be arrested for doing 100 that probably would have done it you're about to be arrested for not doing 100 yeah so I said lose lose I'm like no sir and he just sped off but it's just yeah it's crazy oh so you got to the lie eventually that's gotta be that's moving yeah that's like someone coming up to you and you're like 2 o 'clock in the morning you're hanging out at a vert ramp which is probably for sure something you would do and they go, hey man, can you do a 900?

1:31:14I mean, this is obviously when you were younger.

1:31:18So much fun. And you can be like, actually, dickhead, I invented it. And then you get cuffed. But he has... But that's... That's why you're you. First of all, I'm laughing hysterically if I'm you. Because it's... some of us don't even know that you invented it because it's been done by others. I'm curious. The name changed, like how you called it at Oli Impossible, correct? Oh, Magic Flips. It was a terrible name, thank goodness, Kick Flips. But yeah, Magic Flips. Because back then, maybe I had a Kick Flips. Other people called it Magic Flips

1:31:51Tony Hawk:because we couldn't figure out how you flipped it. And they had the Kick Flip already, right? Yeah, Kick Flips go way back. The old kick flip is when you hook your toe. Yeah, you put your toe underneath it, right? Yeah, parallel, yeah. Right. Oh, and they called that a Kick Flip? Yeah. That was the original Kick Flip, yeah. That was a Kick Flip. Oh, okay. So when you did it, you called it a what? I really called it a magic flip. But it ended up being called. So you just did it and you were like, look at this thing I do. And they were like, whoa. But it became Olly Kickflip. And then it was Olly Kickflip.

1:32:20Olly Kickflip was the actual name. Yeah, because that does add up.

1:32:24Tony Hawk:But I wonder what would have happened if you just said yes. Yeah, and just done it. No, not done it. Just said yes. Can you do a flip? Yes. Do one. No.

1:32:40Sip burn And then just skate off Do a heel flip Google me asshole I could do it Handcuffed Yeah Handcuffed Man It'd be easy for me I'd be like no

1:33:01And then comes that You ever been arrested

1:33:04Tony Hawk:I'm getting arrested anyway That dude skating over there in the street light all alone in the parking lot? He can. Go ask him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, don't ask him. He's just going to laugh at you. Oh, man. Man. Once again, the greatest story ever. Trick names? Like, how many tricks that you invented did you get to name? Hmm. Like, I know you did the impossible, right? You named that one? Maybe that's true. I have to think about that. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because, again, people are calling it, you know? and uh yeah maybe um but never in the sense of like oh here it is you know yeah it has to be accepted right like the grosso grab became the the roast beef that makes sense right because he was like oh it's the grosso grab and then everyone's like called it the roast beef and yeah like you can name it but like it didn't stick it doesn't matter yeah I tried to make the 720 be because McTwist is 540 I tried 720 to be a McHawk yeah damn that would have been sick I'm gonna call it I've never known.

1:34:05Micaque.

1:34:05Tony Hawk:But I also thought it'd be really funny if people said it fast, like you did micaque. Okay, now it's kind of funny. And then it just didn't stick. I was like, damn it. How did that not stick? What's that? How did that not stick? Like Madonna stuck? Sean Penn stuck? No one, he just didn't like me, so it's like 720. Get over yourself. Oh my God, dude. That's so funny. Yeah, it wasn't. It was still annoying. He was still annoying. What about the 900? That could be the micaque. He was, because he couldn't. No one else could do it. What is it on? on Rocket Power, the Super McVeighall 900. Oh, man. You guys know that?

1:34:38Tony Hawk:No. But when I was picturing, when he said, like, hanging out at 2 a.m. at your vert ramp, I just pictured you and Rocket Power. It was all, like, dark. Yeah, totally. I've had almost exclusively solo sessions on my ramp in the last two weeks. Not at 2. No, no, at 9 a.m. Yeah, I was going to say grandfather. Oh, yeah. That's more like it. Grandfather, dude. You're a grandfather. Oh, yeah. I have gone home and napt afterwards. The world is so awesome. If I work out the same day that I go skateboard, I actually go home and go to sleep. It's fair. For how long? You set an alarm when you wake up naturally?

1:35:17No, I mean, no. There's too much stuff. I don't want to know. Keep that a mystery how long your nap is, powerhouse. You're good. I want to know how long I should be napping for. He asked. You nap as long as you want, all right? All right, thank you. Permission to nap? Neil Blender was like not only invented tricks but he invented Helen Names right? He invented tricks

1:35:40Tony Hawk:that he didn't actually perform he just threw out the ideas to people including the ho-ho yeah because it did come from him he created the idea of the ho-ho and then Steve Schneer made it a reality Steve Schneer oh that's interesting he did it first and he did it on a hot pipe first? he did it during the practice the night before of Chicago Blowout crazy Because I had just left the practice session and I was outside and we were waiting. I think we were waiting for Lance because we all, you know, the buns we had, everyone's in one car. And then I'm like, come on, Lance, what the hell? Like we were done skating.

1:36:12Tony Hawk:And then we just hear this erupting cheer inside. And then like 10 minutes later, everyone comes out. And I remember Neil going by us. I'm like, what happened? He goes, Schneer.

1:36:26Tony Hawk:Like, what does that mean? And then Lance came by and he goes, Schneer to ho. Yeah. What? I missed it. If you see him do handstands, you know why he did it. Oh, really? Yeah. He was a proper gymnast. Okay, got it. So he could walk around. He was one of those people that could stand on his hands and then look upside down at you. Oh, yeah. So it was like not a hard thing to stand on his hands. Yeah. So it's not cheating. You did yo-yo plant, right? Uh-huh. Yeah. Yo-yo plant, Steve. See, that's what I remember. Yeah, I remember. It's a yo-yo when you do a hand plant off the flat, right? yeah you just punch it up that was one of those things where you know I don't know what video it was in but you did mainly freestyle stuff and that was where I was like dude yeah no foot on the ground that's so impossible like it's basically a fakey all like a street plant correct yeah but I got that from this German guy Yo-Yo Yo-Yo and he would just blast those things like nothing oh wow there was a guy that did that that's his name like he called himself yeah Yo-Yo Schultz yeah Yo-Yo Schultz that's right that's right Who's done it to drop in?

1:37:32That is a good thought. Dude, I don't have my upside down awareness, but like, dude.

1:37:37Tony Hawk:I used to do street plan to drop in, but not... I used to do andracting. Yeah. Wow. Wait, from what? From the deck. From standing on the deck. Like standing. Oh, you're chilling. You just step into it. Because I used to try to stall andrax, and I would bottle up and then go over the deck and then open up into a method air, and that would tilt me back in. And sometimes I would do it too late, and I would go back to my feet, and I was getting pissed because it happened like four times in a row. And I was just like, fuck it. And then I just jumped back onto my hand and Andrakt back in. And then I had that down as like a little bit of a party trick, if you will.

1:38:11Like I would do, if I failed the Andrakt, I would just go back into an Andrakt in and people would almost still count. But you had that pretty much on lock. You could do that? Yeah, I had it down. I've shattered my wrist and I couldn't make my hand go back anymore. But before that. Is your wrist like that? Yeah, I did that one. I shattered it and it won't go back I used to be able to stand on my hands for a long time and then when I because I I snapped my wrist and it turned around and broke all the bones in my hand I got knocked out at the same time and I woke up with my yeah was Tony there no you know where you are you know which way your hands face it you face it the wrong way it was in it was in Rhode Island ESPN contest and I qualified in the street contest and I remember Musker was like dude you made a top 10 i was like no way and then in the vert contest i had a ride where i was like this is i'm gonna win this is gonna be the first time i win a pro contest and i had tarot grab 5 and backside 5 in one run i was like i think there was you know the the bigger he wasn't there as i was gonna win and in my qualifying ride i over rotated on a tarot grab 540 and broke my wrist and it span around up behind me and i hit my head and got knocked out so i woke up and i was like where am i and then i was like ow like that really hurts and that's when i was rubbed together yeah and i the medic were trying to get me to go in an ambulance and i was just like i hit my head i didn't understand i was like no i'm gonna win this contest so i went under the ramp and duct tape i screamed i grabbed a roll of duct tape and screamed this is like a movie and made a cast out of it and then I got up on the deck.

1:39:53I remember, I think it was Frasier, where I was pacing on the deck. My face was gray. And I was like, I just didn't understand that my hand wasn't going to work. I was like, I'm still going to do my ride. I'm going to win. This is the only time I'm going to, there was never another time where I was like, I'm going to win a contest. This one, I was like, you make it right, you're going to win. And you could just say that for the rest of your life. And then I dropped in. And as I dropped in, I realized you can't use your hand. So then I did a backside 540 and whatever I was going to do with this hand, I did it with the other hand and then I did a lip slide.

1:40:24And when I came in on the lip slide, my hand went over me like that. And it went, and it just, all these bones, they've made this crazy sound and my legs just gave out and I slid onto the ground. I was like, okay, I'll go. And they took me to hospital and they thought it was dislocated. So they put the metal sock things on my fingers and put a weight on my bicep and they're pushing on it. And they've got me on morphine. The edges of the bones are rubbing together the whole time. And then a nurse comes in and goes, Stop pulling on it! Stop pulling on it! We got the x-rays back! His hand's broken, his wrist is upside down.

1:41:00And I was high, so I was like, Yeah, you dickheads! Oh my god. And then they gave me a half cast because I had to go to Santa Barbara to go see a hand surgeon. And I remember my team manager, Michael Furukawa, he's a sweetheart, and it wouldn't give me my painkillers unless I went back to the hotel room and I was like, nah. And I went to a bar and got wasted and woke up in the morning in someone's house. Just do-do-do-do-do-do. And I was like, I've got to find painkillers. Michael. Michael. Michael rules. Please help. Give me painkillers. Oh, wow. And then that was as close as I ever got.

1:41:40Tony Hawk:Hey, that reminds me. Michael Furukawa. We've all been on the Bones Brigade. Yeah. That's right. I love that. That's right. And Michael rules. Michael Furukawa. I'm like, I'm on the Bones Brigade. Oh, what? But Michael is like, works for Powell. Yeah. I was like, there's no, there's two Michael. It's the guy. No way. Yeah. That guy's the best. He used to come past my room and watch me. So I didn't leave my room. Yeah. Because he knew, he was like, you're good, dude. If you just stay. And I just had this demon that wanted to run, you know, I was like, yeah, I could be good at the contest, but that's the thing.

1:42:18Maybe Michael is that good voice you hear now. I wouldn't be surprised. It does sound very wise. He always sounded very wise. He is so wise. He doesn't talk. He was such a kind-hearted man to me. That is a great point. You know, he'll watch there, and then he comes in with the freaking wisdom. He always had time for me. And sometimes I did not deserve it. And he was always like, we can walk it out. And I was like, you probably shouldn't. You never gave up? Yeah, I was stupid. a lot. Oh. I love that dude.

1:42:50Tony Hawk:Alright, so what is next for you guys? Yeah. Individually. Or collaboratively, either one. You go first. Let's do it collaboratively. We're going to Can you get some yoga mats? Yeah. No, I don't know, man. Actually, could someone else talk for a while so I could think about it? No, but yeah.

1:43:16I go a little bit of travel right away and come back and I'm shooting a few tricks, first time in forever

1:43:26Tony Hawk:Wait, on video? Yeah Exclusive! You heard that here first Cool, so I got a few I know I pumped your pump, dude Thank you, Tony Just shooting a few tricks Amazing So I'll come back, finish those and so at the same time I got a couple kind of weird you know the nerd stuff that I do you know and so I kind of have a heavier stuff lately with that stuff What filming tricks isn't nerd stuff? You know what I love that Right on it is Yeah theoretical physics science and stuff Socrates Yeah like literal Socrates Not just the filmer And really dude that's I just leave a good balanced life those are the next little projects yeah you do I can attest thank you yeah you got the crazy life I don't know how you keep up sometimes I mean it's a blast it's amazing it's hectic like today yep you hold it together like it's unreal man oh thank you I try I mean I try to balance it it definitely is it can be draining but from such crazy When I look around, what's the stuff I could do?

1:44:47Tony Hawk:How could I say no? But it's not about me. What's next for you? I'm going to the comedy store right now to go do Adam Ray's thing. I'm going to the comedy store right now to do a set. Let's go to the comedy store. I'm going to go on Adam Ray's thing. Well, I'm upstairs doing new material. Don't talk shit about me because I'm right next to you. God, that's insane. That's a whole other world. Well, I mean, it's not that surprising because it's some of the same circles. And I got connected through you guys. Anyway, go ahead. So my next big step is like the Olympics officially sportified skateboarding.

1:45:31Huh. Right? It did. It's like, is skateboarding a sport? Well, competitive skateboarding is definitely a sport. But like, what is non-competitive skateboarding? and I think I argue that it's art and I'm trying to help skateboarding be seen as art and Olympics proved that it could be seen as a sport and like how do we I don't know I'm just I'm doing it in the lo-fi way that I can and it's available to me but like how do we show that skateboarding is an art keep breathing dude Because you're doing it. But you know what I mean? Like basketball, a lot of these things, if you're not playing the game to win, are you even playing basketball?

1:46:20You're just practicing? But like in skateboarding, if you're not skating to win, it feels even more like skateboarding. You know, I will say, so this was crazy for me. It scared me to death. I spoke at the Royal Institution in London. Of course you did. A month or so ago, people before the last was like won a Nobel Prize. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And it's this obviously old building, right? They're Faraday Davies, right? And these are heroes when I was a kid. Like that was what I wanted to do. And so here I am. And upstairs there's a whole bunch of scares, but then some serious horsepower of the scientists.

1:47:07And the lady, the trustee Susie, she's amazing. like firing on all cylinders. She believed in me. And they brought me there. And the whole place is kind of like the old school surgical, like very vertical, if that makes sense, where it's kind of flat-ish, say, movie theater is very mellow inclined. It's really steep. So when you're at the bottom of it, with all these skaters and all the love in there, I'm going someplace with this, is that I heard people coming in, and one of the guys that believed in me that kind of I have this kind of other world, you know, that took me into the nerd side. And one of the guys that believed in me, Randy Hill, Dr.

1:47:44Randy Hill, he happened to be there lecturing or something at like the Turing Institute or something crazy, like his level. And like MI5, MI6 stuff, like he's nuts, right? Like the stuff he does. And he's sitting up there next to Lori and I hear people traipsing and I feel my heart start to race, you know? And I'm like, oh, like a contest run, right? Like all of it. You're like, oh, man, breathe. Breathe, just calm. And I'm like, sir, I had some coffee. Maybe I should go to the bathroom first. I go down. It's like the catacombs. And I'm going down, and I completely get lost, because I get lost everywhere I go.

1:48:27Tony Hawk:Spinal tap. Hello, Cleveland. Thank you. Wish I knew it well enough, but yeah. And so I'm hearing all these nerves, like three months away, and I'm setting up flares type of thing. Like, I don't know where I am taking photos.

1:48:43And I realized, like, I go out, they come get me, bring me there. And there are so many people, the skaters, the love. And here's where I'm coming back to you, where you left off. It was like a highlight. I think my mom passed a long time ago, and I don't think I was ever intended to be this. But I did it anyway, and it gave me more than I could have ever imagined. And so here I am. And that whole like getting lost thing of like, I'm not even like, I don't even, it was going to take me 15 minutes to find that. And when they came and get me, my nerves were gone. Like I was all this wave of love from the skaters, the energy in there.

1:49:27Like it was insane. No nerves at all. And I'm like, ah, and I practiced so much. and something that resonated why they brought me there to begin with. So it was like a highlight for me if there's any time I wish my mom were there, you know, my adult life type of thing. Wow. It was in. And again, just like hours, people coming up. My point is one of the features they were trying to get across for bringing me there in the first place, Susie in particular, this lady with all the horsepower. It's like, there's an art to science and a science to art. It goes back to Da Vinci, I think, said that. I think it's Da Vinci.

1:50:05this is essentially what you're saying. Essentially, there's a sport to what we do. But there's a science to it. There's an engineering to it. There's all the stuff that goes into it. There's that ratcheting of competitivism. It propels us. Yeah, it propels us. Yeah. For sure. We need that. Yeah, we need it. But there's also that art that is heart. And again, man, just to hear you express it that way, I love like, hey, Olympics has its thing. like, dude, you went to the Olympics. Get the tattoo. That's awesome. You know? I got the pin. You got the pin? Yeah, yeah, pin. There you go. Pin life. Whatever it is, but that you, no matter what, through all that, leave like, yeah, but I'm staying on the art side.

1:50:46It's essence. That's awesome. Never leave it. You know? That's what we have.

1:50:51Tony Hawk:Thanks, man. Thank you, Rodney. Andy. You guys. Thank you. This has been enlightening and probably more than we imagined it would be. Yeah. Right? Thanks, Tony. Yeah, thank you. I'm just a passenger on this train. I appreciate you guys. That was really cool. Thanks for making this happen, man. That would be Brianna. Oh! Thank you. And everyone watching, this is the culmination of Brianna's outreach. So, thanks, Brianna. I don't mean to cast to the end of this, but how the fuck, Brianna? Yeah. Yeah, how you do this? Well, I had to be late. First time I met Brianna, she was going to organize this show.

1:51:35I'd be like, how's that work exactly?

1:51:39Tony Hawk:But it was, I mean, truly, it's because you guys are the two most popular guests we've had on the show. And to have you in the same room seemed like it was going to be wildfire, and it was way beyond that. So we appreciate it.

1:51:55Yeah, man, what?

1:51:56Tony Hawk:What's up, Rodney? Are you not entertained?

1:52:13To be continued...