11. You're Either In, Or Your Out: Tailgates, Ties and Trade Rumors Post Week 8 Football

28:25No game ever should end in a tie. Ever. No, no. Because what if, like, let's say, let's say the Cowboys are playing the Packers and it's like week 10. And like this game is determining what playoff seed you get. And the game ends in a tie. How does that help your record? So there has to be some sort of something in place, you know? Yeah. Yeah. We might be on to something. We might be on to something. Okay, moving on. On my in list is the Eagles standing ovation for Cam Scadaboo. I just loved that it was just a show of the NFL in general and how much respect there is between like players and even like the hardest going of fandoms have respect for the best players in the league.

29:14Yeah. And I really love that. It's like game recognizes game. Yeah. It was like, you're not going to basically like screw over somebody that got hurt, especially when it's, I mean, this is a division rivalry game. So to your point of like the fact that the Eagles fans gave them a standing ovation speaks more volumes of how like great fans are and the community is because like the Eagles don't like the Giants at all. Yeah. Yeah. So that was good to see. yeah that was good to see and then on my outlist i i do have the giants for this week and i don't think this is like a season thing as i said i don't think they're like done for but i think that this week they're kind of on the outlist like it's just a real bummer oh yeah i don't know man the vibes are very down now they could like go out and just shock the world and then have like a crazy win.

30:14They are up against the 49ers going into week nine, and they are playing at home on Sunday at 12 p.m., November 2nd, Central Time. So that will be an interesting game to watch, but I have to agree with you. The Giants might be out. Yeah, just for this week. We'll see what happens, but for this week, they're on my out list. It's kind of ironic, though, that they're playing the other most injured team in the NFL the week that they're running back, it's injured. I digress. Let's move on. The universe was like, let's make this even. Yeah, the week of Halloween too. Spooky. Okay. In list is men talking about their feelings, talking about Justin Fields saying how he cried in his closet.

31:07Okay. this was actually kind of sad did you did you see the actual do you okay do you know it is it is really sad like we have to commend people for speaking about their feelings but this was kind of bad no and like similarly to what we're talking about last week with all of these like coaches and general managers in the media basically bashing quarterbacks. Justin Fields got the brunt of that. Justin Fields was not supposed to start this weekend. The only reason why he got the start is because Tyrod Taylor, their backup, is injured. They were, I believe, wholeheartedly, if Tyrod Taylor was healthy this week, they would have started Taylor.

31:58Justin Fields gets a start actually gets the first Jets win of the season and then in this press conference yeah JTS Jets Jets Jets gets the first one of the season then goes into this press conference and was real with them and it was like yeah dude like I don't think I've ever been at a lower point of my life than when I've been this week and I was in my closet on my knees crying. A grown man. A grown man. But I also love that he talks about it because it's so important, especially for like women. We're used to talking about our feelings. We go to brunch and we say how sad we are. I called you before this and like talked about men and like we talked about like jobs and we we talk about how we feel about these things often.

32:47Right. Like regardless of what realm of life it is in, we talk about it. And I feel like a lot of men don't talk about their feelings. And so like somebody like Justin Fields in a really hard moment, like being vulnerable in hindsight is one thing. Being vulnerable in the present is extremely hard to do. And so I loved that he did it. And I loved that they won. And I love that he turned around a a really bad week, a not supposed to start, and then came out and finally got a win for the Jets. So now there's no zero win teams in the NFL. I know I did like that. It was like an icing on the cake to a really, really badly cooked cake.

33:27But the icing made it better. All of a sudden, that W for the Jets. Do you want to hear my Jets theory? Yeah. Okay. So, obviously, trade deadline is coming up. Yes. In like what, six days? Yeah. And we'll talk about trade rumors a little bit later in the episode. But I think the Jets should trade for Shadir Sanders. If the general manager does not, the GM and Aaron Glenn, Aaron Glenn should not save his job at this point. So Aaron Glenn probably doesn't really care what happens. He just needs something new to work with. Tyrod Taylor is not going to be the answer for this Jets team. It's just not.

34:09I think the Jets could possibly make a move for Shadur. Shadur would get his chance of being a starting quarterback. He would come in as the hero, kind of like Jackson Dart, saving a franchise that's in the dumps right now. I don't mind that move. The Browns, I'm convinced the Browns drafted Shadur for trade bait. I don't think the Browns have any hope in playing Shadur Sanders. Yeah. I mean, if they haven't played him yet, I don't see it happening. I love Justin Fields, so I feel sad about this inside. Yeah. But it would be an interesting move. And then I think it would be a competition between Shadour and Justin.

35:04Or do you think they would trade Justin away? So I don't think they would trade him away just yet because they just acquired Justin. I talked about this last episode. Like, why are you bashing on a man that y 'all just acquired this season? I think we're going to see a battle. And this happens a lot with NFL teams when they're trying to almost psych out their QB1 into playing better, which is kind of what happened this week. Like they were all the rumors were like, oh, Tyrod Taylor is going to get the start, but he doesn't. Justin Fields gets a start and then goes to win his football game. So I think it's going to be kind of a battle of the mind too.

35:40I'm like kind of like psyching Justin Fields out and like, hey, you might lose your spot. That's going to make him play better. Yeah. And then I don't know. I think Shadur is a talented quarterback. I think he could easily walk into this Jets offense and take over and be good. So we'll see. That's my theory. We'll see. I'm curious to see, like, you could be right. You could be right, and this could be crazy. It'd be a storyline. Man, that'd be a storyline. Man, yeah. Yeah. Another storyline. This week, Aaron Rodgers played the Packers, and that's a big deal because Aaron Rodgers was a Packer for the majority of his career and has said that he wants to retire as a Packer.

36:22And I think that Aaron Rodgers never beating the Packers is a better storyline than Aaron Rodgers beating all 32 teams. I just like, I like it.

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37:40I would agree with you on that because it's kind of like, dang. It's also to your point, He spent so much of his career in Green Bay. So it's kind of like you can't beat the one team that like kind of made you. Yeah. Like you're always going to be a Packer so you can't beat them because you're one of them. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And I think this is also like a storyline that gets perpetuated in the media more than it actually matters to anybody on the field. Like I don't think Aaron Rodgers cares. No, honestly. okay aaron rogers you want to talk about drama kings like aaron his facial expressions through it's not draft kings anymore it's drama kings it's drama kings that part his facial expressions like tell you everything you need to know like he's constantly like you just know what he's thinking which i can appreciate to a certain extent but i think he did look he won that w i think he wanted to have the 32 accolade i mean yeah because at the end it's kind of a debate like Like, oh, well, dang.

38:43I don't know how many teams Tom Brady beat, but it's kind of one of those things. Like, has anybody ever done it? And it's very hard for, even if he does it, like, it'd be very hard for somebody else to make that happen. Exactly. Because you have to be old. Old and experienced and play on multiple different teams. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I want to quickly go through my last couple, and then we should move on to a little bit of game recap. Okay, my last two ins are NFL times Lululemon. I love Lululemon. Their clothes just last so long. And I like that the NFL did a collection and it's a part of, if you didn't listen to our episode where I talked about the NFL going through a complete renaissance, I think this just adds to that storyline and makes it more fun for the girls because we like cute clothes.

39:35We don't want to wear the same boring t-shirts existed forever. And sometimes we don't want to wear a jersey. Sometimes we just want to wear something like cute for a home game day outfit. So NFL times Lululemon is on my in list. And then Jonathan Taylor, Elizabeth Taylor, is on my in list. I mean, the Colts are just on the in. What more can you say? What more can we say? And the last one, I don't really want to harp on this, but the out is, well, they could be kind of an in or out because they're getting us engagement. But the men have found us. the men have found us on instagram because i commented on a post of carly irsay you guys know obviously and i said this is what happens when you put women in charge and the men have become unhappy with us very unhappy guys the way the way i texted victoria earlier this week because obviously we both have access to like our the game the podcast instagram and i was getting all these notifications of men replying to our comment like absolutely bashing us and i was like victoria what's going on i was like i'm not scared thanks for the engagement it.

40:53Your wife probably listens to our podcast. Shut up. Yeah. And one of them said, like, go back to the kitchen. And I'm like, I actually wrote this from the kitchen. And that's on multitasking. And that's on women in STEM. Period. Yeah. Like the ignorance is crazy. Yeah. And then I did. I I only clapped back one time. Somebody said like, oh, we'll see what the stats. And I said, pull the stats. So anyway, that's funny. There's a couple of girls fighting for our allegiance. All of the girls, not ours, but all of the girls in there. And I'm like, it was nice to see. We have defenders coming to our rescue.

41:37It's the girls. We love that. This is why we're here. Because the girls are the best. Period. Okay. Should we recap what happened this week? Yeah. week eight recap so this week for me was like it was meh interesting that's what i grade that's what i grade this week meh there were some good storylines obviously like packer stealers that game was intense but i wasn't really hyped up about anything else what about you okay what i liked about this week is that I feel like the cream is rising to the top. Okay. Like we, for in week six, we talked about like, everyone's good. Everyone's bad. Anything can happen.

42:26And I feel like now we're starting to see more of a separation. So, you know, like the Patriots are coming out really strong. They're now six and two they're above the bills, but the bills are still up there at five and two. Like the Bills and the Patriots are very clearly best AFC East teams. Steelers lost, but they're like holding on. Colts continue to be dominant. Jags have a winning record. Broncos, I was kind of a Broncos hater. I was like, I don't think the Broncos defense is really that good. And they're proving to be really, really good. Their record is now better than the Chargers. But now the Chiefs are playing like the real Chiefs.

43:05So I feel like the like true, ew, I kind of hate this word, but like, I was going to say the underbelly. The underbelly is absolutely wild, Victoria. The underbelly of the NFL. But like, I feel like the true like heart of the team and what to expect or the foundation is like, we're seeing it shift a little bit to like the better teams are rising and the worst teams are falling, whether it's in like actual play ability or actual wins. Like Packers are kind of came out dominant. We're a little wishy-washy in the middle. I mean, obviously they're five, one and one, but they're still kind of dominating.

43:55That storyline is prevailing. We're seeing the Vikings are just, just suck now. Buccaneers doing better. Here's the playoff picture after week eight. So currently out of the AFC, the Colts have the number one seed out of the NFC. The Packers have the number one seed wildcard rounds out of the AFC include the chiefs, Patriots, chargers, Broncos, bills stealers out of the nfc wild card round looks like san francisco eagles la rams versus the bucks lions versus the seahawks so kind of like not far off on like what i would predict right but also just interesting obviously with the colts being like the number one overall seed in the afc yeah but i feel like over the chiefs right because i feel like the colts are the only ones who super surprised us and continue to surprise us everyone else who we thought might be kind of a surprise like people I mean for your Cowboys like you guys had a moment where people were like oh we're going and now I feel like that dust is settling a little bit yeah yeah the other teams that we thought like maybe would like make this huge breakout are now like kind of falling and kind of the strong franchises that have been building, building, building.

45:21We're like in a serious rebuild. We're now kind of seeing them at the top. So I think the cream is kind of rising to the top and we're seeing the separation more now than we were last week. Agreed. It's like that time in the season to like see like the difference. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like you're kind of right is like, was there really a game of the week? Like the Steelers Packers game actually was a really good game. Interesting to watch. Good storylines. do I need to like talk about it for the rest of time or expand anymore no Eagles Giants that obviously ended in the scatabookey sadness spooky I love that um I will say Miami getting a win over the Falcons did shock me I forgot this game kind of happened that's Miami versus the Falcons but But Miami getting a W by a lot.

46:10The final score is 34 to 10. Kirk Cousins, I believe, started that game for the Falcons. So Michael Penix Jr. did not play, which is the true QB number one for the Falcons. I believe he's injured or something. Kirk Cousins was on, has been on multiple teams in the past. So he's kind of an interesting storyline to follow when it comes to his career in the NFL. But Miami's now two and six. The Falcons are three and four. after Miami's win and the Falcons lost. So that was kind of an interesting game to watch. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like as the season goes too, like once you kind of realize like these teams likely aren't going to make the playoffs, like their stories just like get a little less interesting.

46:53No offense, unless there's something really interesting going on. One thing we have to note though is Carson Wentz, Vikings quarterback, is now going through season ending shoulder surgery. So he is out. Yeah. He's also a little bit older. He's 32. So we'll kind of see what's up for him over the next season or so. I kind of feel bad for him because like he, J.J. McCarthy was their number one guy for the Vikings, right? Carson Wentz comes in. J.J. McCarthy didn't play last season. This was supposed to be his season to like actually break out. Yeah. And now he's injured again. And Carson Wentz comes in and you could tell.

47:36I remember watching this game for Carson Wentz. He's coming off the field and you could just see the emotion on his face of like, A, I know my body cannot play football anymore. And B, I know the football that I'm playing is not up to par with winning a football game for my team. So I sympathize with him in that moment of like, dang, he's trying to put the team on his back. But he just can't. Yeah. It's sad to see someone also like go out on an injury. Like if your career ends at 32 on an injury rather than on a self-elected time to go out. Or like, you know, Jason Kelsey left like very much on his own terms, was able to announce it in his own way.

48:27And this, if he, if he stops playing after this, it's just like, obviously there will be like a huge celebration for him if he retires and the whole thing. But it just feels sad if like, this is the catalyst rather than like, I just always want to see people choose to go out rather than have injury take them out. Right. You bring up a good point. I didn't even think about this being his last season in that sense, but it makes sense. like realistically what other team is going to pick him up after this kind of injury so right it is like a shoulder related injury too so and i think it's on his throwing arm so sucks yeah we'll see i mean because we he could rehab it really well like i really believe in the power of rehab like 32 you are older but like you're really not that old like you can definitely rehab and like come back from something at 32 i mean fair fair like but i mean we'll see who like I don't know who knows yeah something to watch for sure yeah speaking of trades and uh if you'd be able to make it on another team while we were talking before I thought about my next NFL pitch to the NFL front office okay what if there was an owner wife swap okay like not a real wife swap but like the owners swap for like three games out of the season that actually would be like we need to like produce a show like that yeah like jerry jones goes elsewhere i would watch that every second to see what happens same or like just like family in general like what if charlotte jones goes to the freaking eagles for a game or for three games right be insane it'd be so insane i'm like i don't think that that would ever happen but like that would be so crazy yeah there's too many like red tape stuff that we probably have to cut through yeah like blah blah tom brady already got flack for i forgot what team he's like a minority owner of but they already like crucified him for like being a minority owner but also being like be able to broadcast that's a great idea thanks i love it i love it okay trade rumors yeah let's talk about some trade rumors okay november 4th is the deadline girls we were honestly like what less than a week away at this point i'm gonna read you a list and this is like a pretty official list guys of rumors that are likely to actually be true but there's still rumors at heart okay Steelers Bills and the Broncos have all called about trading for a wide receiver the Steelers the Bills and the Broncos when I look at this Bills need it they need it yeah in my opinion keon coleman not doing the best josh allen can't do it himself it's kind of a similar situation with the ravens like oh my god i was scared you were gonna say the ravens it's just like like i can't like what do you mean like you have two mvp caliber quarterbacks in your team like when like when you look at the cowboys and back prescott you don't say dad prescott without saying C.E.

51:57Lamb. And you also don't say him now without saying George Pickens. But Josh Allen... Right, you don't say Jared Goff without Amonara saying Brown. Exactly. But now Josh Allen... Or Daniel Jones, Jonathan Taylor. Josh Allen doesn't really have... I mean, he has James Cook, which is a really... He has had a great running back year right now, but you don't have a lot to throw to. You don't have those big names. Yeah. So that's interesting to me. The Broncos is interesting too because they have actually really good receivers. So the Broncos calling around about trading wide receivers is interesting to me.

52:31The Saints are expected to trade either Chris Olave or Rashid Shahid, which are the two number one picks or two number, wide receiver one, wide receiver two on the Saints team. But I'm curious on what your thoughts are about both of those. It's kind of crazy to me to think that both of those players are on the Saints. I know, because Crystal Lave's a dog. Yeah. Renvier Sheehy, he's a dog too. But they've also named, the Saints have named Tyler Shaw as their starting quarterback. Spencer Rattler is getting benched. That's as of today. As of today when we're recording this, they are naming Tyler Shaw as their starting quarterback.

53:16I mean, there was a Saints player who recently came out saying, do not trade me. I don't want to go anywhere else. I love being here. I don't care about a record. Like, I want to be here. And I can't remember who it was, but it like feels like it was Olave, but I could be totally wrong. I think it was Olave. Yeah. And after what Ali said about the Saints organization in general, just that like in their like complete staff turnover, all of that, that like that organization seems like a great place to be. And if they can win, winning heals all, as you'll hear on our episode on Friday on Halloween with Alexandra Francisco, who is a journalist and media girl for the Patriots.

53:59She said winning heals all. And so I feel like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's a great place to be. And so they don't want to leave. But I do feel like it doesn't match. Like you could tell me Chris Olave is like going to the Eagles and I'd be like, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. No, Chris Olave is really talented. He's kind of injury prone. And like, as we've talked about injured players, I kind of hate using the word injury prone more and more now. I will say. That's funny. Cause I remember the first time you said it, I was like, well, you cause you, I remember you said it about Joe Burrow and I was like, he is kind of though, but I do.

54:36There's other factors that play into why they're injury prone. And that's what I can, I can realize. Right. Right. So. But I mean, also fact to fact, whether we like it or not. Yeah. That part. Speaking of our conversation that's coming out on Friday with Alexandra, with the Patriots, Patriots are expected to trade Kyle Duggar, which might be interesting. The Dolphins are expected to trade some of their defensive players and the Vikings are expected to trade for a veteran quarterback, which I think we all can clearly see why they're expected because we just talked about Carson Wentz for the Vikings.

55:20So I think they're going to be looking at Jameis Winston, Russell. I think the Giants have played their cards right in acquiring Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson. Obviously, those two quarterbacks aren't going to start. Jackson is their future. So what does that mean for Jameis Winston and Russell? Because I do, similarly to Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco is a little bit better in my book when it was compared to Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston. But I'm curious to see if the Giants make a trade to a team like the Vikings who are in need of a veteran quarterback. So those are my trade rumors ahead of the November 4th.

56:02Have you heard of any other Shadour trade rumors except your theory that you mentioned earlier? Yes, but I can't sit here. The Jets theory makes so much sense to me because I feel like the Jets want a young quarterback. Like, it's interesting when you read that line, like verbatim, the Vikings are expected to trade for a veteran QB. You know, it's like different versus in just saying a quarterback. So for a team like the Jets, if they're in the market for a quarterback. I think Shadir is right up their alley. I don't know what the Ravens are going to do. The Ravens are on this list when it comes to trade rumors.

56:45They should be. Lamar might come back this week. We'll see. But I think Lamar is close to coming back, so maybe that's why they're not in the market for a quarterback. Yeah, but I mean, they need to trade for some other players so that Lamar can actually play. oh i also have an update about our locker room conversation from last week if you haven't listened to our episode last week we were debating the i guess like morality of taking away so the vikings the the i'm sorry the ravens came in and decided to take away toys in the locker room like the basketball hoop ping pong tables video games and other things that were like distractions in the locker room.

57:32My update is Victoria and I were talking about in our last episode, how it was like the coaches, you know, like get a grip on the team. Like this is like a personnel issue. Apparently this was a player decision. Apparently the players decided to take away these things in the locker room. Hmm. I know. Isn't that interesting? I can't imagine it though. Okay. So like, it's like when you go to a party, right? You go to a house party and you go and you play beer pong with your best friend and like two people you meet and you're hanging out with those two other people, but that's kind of it. Yeah. And you're not meeting anybody else who doesn't like beer pong.

58:20And if you hang out at the beer pong table all night, you're meeting two, maybe four people, but you're really hanging out with the person on your side. I love your comparison.

58:33I just, I think it's true though, because if you have video games and you love to play with whoever else, you'll kind of naturally like fall into routines. And so maybe the players were like, we're so into our routines that we need to like be around other people and like actually bond. Oh, interesting. Goes back to culture. Always goes back to culture. It's like slowly seeing it's a huge, huge thing. Just getting an update on my phone, Giants officially placed Cam Skadaboo on the IR. Whenever a player is placed in the IR, he's at least going to be out on there for a month. So R.I.P. Our little Cammy.

59:13Yeah, he's not coming back. Full circle for the episode, though. Yeah, I know, right? There you go. Oh, man. Well, come back on Friday on Halloween for our episode with Alexandra Francisco. Francisco, she is amazing. I loved the interview with her. It was just, she's very dynamic. She's very smart. She is creative. She gives her whole story. She talks about what she does at the Patriots and how she's kind of created an indispensable job for herself there. And it's just a great time. We talk a lot about women and reporting. And I think you're going to love the episode and hearing what she has to say about the inside of the Patriots organization that we don't get to see often.

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