17. Scratching, Spitgate 2.0, and All Time Scoring Records: Week 11 in the NFL

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0:45i'm victoria i'm giovanna the game's on welcome back to another episode of your favorite nfl podcast by the girls for everyone the game today we're chatting about everything that happened weekend over the weekend, week 11 in the NFL. This one might've been my favorite week so far. So we just have a docket of a bunch of stuff that we loved from the weekend that we want to talk about. We're going to try and go in 45 minutes today. So quick episode for you, for us. So we're excited to do that for you, cover everything that you need to know. So let's get into it. Giovanna, wait, where are you in the world?

1:29Because you're not in Dallas where I am, where you live, where I don't live. I know, right? We like switch spots. Victoria is quite literally in Dallas and I actually flew out of Dallas. I'm in Cabo San Lucas right now, guys. Insane. It's like, like insane, but this is my one week of true, not really true vacation, but like it's kind of vacation. I'm still working, you know, hustle girl, slap the grind, but one week of vacation in Cabo with a bunch of friends and my man, my man, my man. So it's fun. Okay. Shout out. Okay. So since you're in party mode, Cabo mode, what do you want to start with today?

2:11I fear I might have to start with one of my favorite players and I start with them because he actually got to play this weekend. He's technically, he started at QB three on the roster and now I was moved up to like kind of QB to talking about Jameis Winston started for the Giants his stat line wasn't the best right I don't expect a lot Winston he's just a likable guy if you could if I could choose like the top three favorite players in the league it'd probably be Jameis Winston Cam Scadaboo and the third of all it's maybe like Josh Allen but Jameis Winston's up there on my list and it was it was just really good to see him play mainly because the things that he says.

2:51It's just outrageous. Like his press conferences, he really like had a Hamilton reference. He was like, I have to play in the greatest city in the world. And I was like, oh my gosh, this guy is literally a walking. I know. Put him on Broadway, guys. No, actually put him on Broadway. Yeah. If you guys haven't seen Jameis Winston, like just Google him. It's you'll find everything you need to know immediately. But like watch his videos. Like don't look up his stats. Don't look up his plays. Like just look up the videos because Because I think in a different life, like he was a storytelling TikTok star.

3:23Yes, I would agree. I would agree. He didn't play terrible. Giants lost to the Packers. Everyone kind of saw this coming, right? I mean, the Giants weren't going to get a win against the Packers, but they only lost by seven points. He did throw an interception, but he completed 19 out of 29 passes, threw for 201 yards, didn't have a passing touchdown, but that's okay. Again, not really expecting any great things out of him. he's stepping into a role trying to keep these giants franchise with somewhat of a wheels going yeah yeah so he's trying to keep them doing anything because i think like a 20 to 27 loss to the packers is like no it's not bad like everyone's been saying the packers defense is so strong all season like the packers are you know taking out or coming close to taking out good team.

4:11So I think a 20 to 27 score with Jameis playing is pretty good. Yeah, me too. They run the ball well and we love to see him because, you know, this is part of the reason why we had to start a show like this because the girls recognize good people, you know? Exactly. Other announcers aren't like, we just like him because he's a good person and we want good people to win. Yes. Yes. And you can just tell like he, unwavering faith, that's like one of the biggest things he'll always say. And he's like really big. He's a really big inspirational kind of guy. But he also just says like the stupidest.

4:46He's like the kind of boyfriend who actually gives unconditional love and means it. And you know, he means it because he says he uses like the most outlandish things to explain his love and how much he cares to you. Wait, I actually think now that you kind of said that, because, you know, I love a comparison. I think me and him would be really good friends.

5:10I wish Jameis Winston was my dad. Was your dad? Yeah. Imagine having him as a dad. That'd be so fun. I think he's like my age, so I can't even imagine him being my dad. True. But it probably would be really freaking fun. Okay. We love Jameis Winston. So, you know, but let's talk about talking about the Packers. The NFC North is crazy right now because the Bears are number one. Yeah, it's Bears, Packers and Lions have slid down to number three. And then we have the Vikings, but nobody cares about the Vikings right now. Sorry. The Bears are number one. Packers are number two. Lions. I don't even know if I was ready to get into the Lions this early in, but the Lions played the Eagles last night.

5:57That was one of the lowest scoring games for two. I have to put it in quotes now top teams because the lions are not a top team right now. The lions are out of the playoff picture, but the world is freaking out because did you see they are calling it a phantom call? Have you seen this? The call at the very end of the game? Yes. The pass interference call. Yep. At one minute, 51 seconds, the refs call pass interference on the Lions. And if you watch it, there is literally no pass interference. Like there have been so many worse, like this wasn't even passed. It's just not pass interference. And that's a fact.

6:42And so the world's freaking out. And Lions fans are like, you know, we could have won. And like, I don't know if we should go so far to say that the Lions would have won had this call not happened. But basically what happened is the call got called and then the... I'm literally blanking on who they were playing because it's so tragic. The Eagles were able to run out the clock so the Lions couldn't get a possession, but it was a third and eight. And so they would have had to punt it and give in the Lions another shot. And the reason why I don't really think, you know, necessarily that the Lions would have gotten it is the Lions...

7:16I mean, the offense just didn't play that strongly. the play calling was like okay at best and the wind was so bad that making any kind of field goal was like nearly impossible last night so I don't know that they would have won but I think that the opportunity did get just like absolutely ripped out from under them I agree so that's like really sad to watch especially in such a low scoring game and I think a low scoring game to me says it's two really good teams whose defenses are playing lights out. So I feel like the real loss for the Lions was the defense because the defense played so well against the Eagles.

7:58They didn't let the Eagles push them into oblivion. They didn't let the Eagles run up the score on them. They didn't let the Eagles play like the Eagles, essentially, but they still couldn't put enough points on the board to make it happen. So that was disappointing. But I mean, I don't like something. Are the refs getting paid by the Eagles because the tush push calls? I like this is feeling scripted. It does feel scripted. Like everyone's saying it's a Vegas call. Everyone's comparing the Eagles to the Chiefs now, like how the refs are favoring them. One thousand percent. Really, really bad call.

8:38The announcer said it when it was on Sunday Night Football. 100 percent bad call. Was it a game costing call? No. And I 1000 % agree with you on like, let's be so honest. There was what? Like not that much time left fourth quarter. The Lions had to do a lot to win that game, even if that call didn't get called. So don't think it was a game costing call, but definitely shouldn't have been a pass interference in the beginning. The play that I thought was really interesting was a tush push, actually. And I don't know if you've seen this, but it was essentially the Eagles lining up to do the tush push.

9:13There was an offensive lineman, the guard, I think it was the right guard. He was tapping the defensive lineman on the Lions. So the defensive lineman on the Lions kind of lined up in the neutral zone. If you don't know what the neutral zone is, it's pretty much you have the line of scrimmage, right? Offense is on one side, defense is on one side. The neutral zone is when you're lining up pretty much in the middle of that line, thus for calling up the neutral zone. So defensive player on the Lions is kind of a little bit pushing the boundary. He was lined up in the neutral zone. However, the Eagles offensive guard was using his hand and tapping him before the tush push, before the play started.

9:50So then it got called as a false start on the Lions instead of neutral zone infraction on, I mean, sorry, false start on the Eagles instead of a neutral zone infraction on the Lions on defense. So it was kind of confusing, but the whole play, and if you haven't watched it, you have to at least go look at it. But it proves my point and what I've been saying and what a thousand other people are saying, that the tush push cannot be refereed and officiated correctly. And it's increasingly getting worse and worse and worse because it's not just the Eagles. The other teams are doing it. The Baltimore Ravens ran a fake tush push and lined Mark Andrews up under center.

10:30And, I mean, it was a fake tush push, so they actually didn't do it. but Mark Andrews actually ended up, ended up scoring. They listened to the game because literally didn't I say, tush, push fake out. Come on. Exactly. I mean, we manifested a couple of things on this show, AKA the Broncos beating the chiefs this week. Anyways, we'll talk about that later, but yes, it's just like this lion's Eagles game. We all talked about it was my matchup going into this week for week 11. And it continues to prove my point. When is the NFL going to do something about refereeing and officiating the touch-push.

11:03It's bad. So the Eagles player is tapping the Lions player. I missed this play. It must have been, I went home from the bar that I was at, like kind of towards, it was like after halftime, but sometimes literally I was in an Uber whenever this was happening. There's, there's some sort of rule that when, when the defense is lined up in the neutral zone and the offensive player uses, like touches them or uses part of their body to move, it signals that they're in the neutral zone however because it was a tush push and because it low-key was a false start by that eagles offensive guard yeah it got called on him instead of the lions defensive lineman so it's it's really complicated but bottom line all you need to know needs to be officiated better gotta do something like yeah we just need there needs to be like some some outward clarity.

12:00That's just like, what the, what the hell? That's what I have to say about that. Like what the hell is going on? You know, so Dan Campbell went into play call, which was controversial for a lot of people last week that John Morton is no longer play calling for the lions, but I didn't think the play calling was that good. And it was super windy, right? It was super windy, but I'm in Ross St. Brown. everyone knows he's a top three receiver in the league like he can go up against any team any defender any safety and make a play at any point easily and he he dropped like one pass like in the first four weeks and he you know came out saying like that was an absolute failure like i should not have dropped that pass like he's clean and he only had two receptions last yeah Yeah.

12:56Yeah. Which is just, I mean, wild. Like, he did have a lot of targets, but two receptions. It's just, it's rough. I don't know. If something was going on over there, I think that they're having a little bit of a synergy problem going on. They said it in the press conference that it just wasn't. Not clicking. Somehow, some way. This was interesting to me. And now they're third place, and now they're, like, out of the playoff picture in the NFC North. Like, if the Bears are going to win, the Lions have to win. Because the Packers... are doing well enough. Yeah. And that's embarrassing because Ben Johnson is now the head coach.

13:31And it's like been like a storyline that I've been watching all season long of how Ben Johnson is going to fit in with the Bears offense and how he's going to fit in with Caleb. And now we see this happening. Here's an interesting stat line. And mind you guys, we have a new format we're doing. So this, the first episode is like our yap and recap. our second episode of the week is a full stats episode and i feel like victoria and i kind of killed it last week so make sure you go tune into that and then obviously our last episode is the juice and the tea with some of our favorite people in and around the league wags other girls working in the league so make sure you tune into all the episodes but here's a stat line around this eagles lions game only two teams since 2000 have gone oh and five or worse on fourth down in a game so that means you're not converting on fourth down both of those teams are the lions they were oh and six through week five in 2022 and they're oh and five currently right now through week 11 and 2025 so they can't convert on fourth down and which is like already a hard position to be in when you're already talking about trying to convert on fourth down they think about dan campbell taking the replay call and you think about Amon not getting all these receptions as the number one guy for the Detroit team.

14:53So it's a lot.

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15:58Yeah. Yeah. It's wild. And like, like what is go what's going on there? Like if Amunrah has 12, I think it's 12 targets last night and two receptions like yeah yeah rough um really bad yeah it's like what five percent or something less than five okay that's moving on so i feel in pain as a lions fan today honestly like i mean excellent game to watch sunday night football but painful as as a lions fan and painful to see them slip down as such a promising team they do have the same record i believe though as the bucks which is interesting because the bucks are another team that i feel like this season like everything that we expected is not happening yeah which i kind of love about it no me too it's unpredictable and i love the nfl last season felt very predictable and it's felt predictable for the last couple of seasons but if you would have told me the chiefs are third to AFC West and got beat by the Chiefs and are sitting at five and five right now.

17:03Insane. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about that game really quick. So Chiefs lose to the Broncos. They're now five and five, which is worse than the record of the Panthers, who I love. Yeah. Who we'll talk about in a second. But the Chiefs lose to the Broncos and it wasn't a bad loss, but it's still a loss. and the Broncos, we were talking about it last week, like the Broncos are good. I know you don't really think so, but they're still winning. It's their defense. And I will always be a big proponent of defense win championships. I'll always say this, but Bo Nix, I'm just going to leave it at that.

17:42It's their defense. The Broncos are winning games because of their defense. Because, yeah, they're holding, they're not letting teams score that much on them. But then I've been saying it all season. I don't know if I should say this, but I was on a date yesterday and, and we were outside and there's like TVs inside. And so then I'm like, wait, can we like watch this game right now? And I was like, listen, the Panthers are good. And I said, nobody thinks so, but I've been saying it. And it's one of my most proud things on this podcast that I've been saying this whole time. Panthers are freaking good.

18:18And now the Panthers have a better record than the chiefs. Victoria did that. Then the Super Bowl playing Chiefs, Patty Mahomes. So go Panthers. Go Panthers. We're proud of you. We're probably going to start talking more about you because we have to, because now you're pushing into potential playoff territory, which nobody saw coming. Nobody. TT had a game. TT New Villain, my fantasy team, shout out. He had like 30 points. Also, my fantasy team might put up 200 points this week. So not to flex. Whoa, that is wild. I set all 108 lineups and fixed my notifications this week. So then now if a player is out, I don't have 100 ,000 notifications from Sleeper.

19:03Scamming your phone. Yeah. So I'm really proud of myself because now I can actually tell my players are out, which was somewhat of a struggle prior to this. So pats on the back for both of us. Last time at the Chiefs game, though, there was history being made. Travis Kelsey, I believe, broke the Chiefs' all-time record for touchdowns. So not a receiver, but tight end big Travis Kelsey is the all, all big Travis Kelsey is the all time like touchdown leader in the Chiefs franchise history. So good job. Tight end. Definitely going. Yes. Well, no, I think it's like period. Receptions total? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's period receptions total.

19:46Record breaking. I'm double checking right now. most yeah most touchdowns in franchise history period not just for a tight end total that's why i mentioned i was like over any receivers over any position most touchdowns in chiefs history wow okay and then travis kelsey has been in the nfl for 13 seasons was drafted by the chiefs in 2013 and spent his entire career there 13 seasons and now has most touchdowns ever i mean if you I feel like it's crazy with these because it's like, if you can stay healthy and stay in it for that long, you better be breaking some records. You better. I mean, you kind of have to.

20:29Because otherwise you would have retired by now. Yeah. And I'm thinking that's coming for him. If not the end of the season, maybe one more. I mean, people were already speculating he was going to be out of there. They didn't think that he was going to play this season. So we'll see. Yeah. I do think it's like such a fun, like high for him to like be playing the sport that he loves, be engaged, having Taylor come off of the Erez tour. And I think, I think what's, it could be a good time for him to leave the NFL this year with a wedding coming up, because I feel like one of the things that athletes, like I talked to Allie Ridgway about this in our first interview, if you go back and listen to that episode, but like when you leave college, a lot of people leave sports after college.

21:11I left gymnastics after college. And then there's like an entire identity crisis. And I do think that like Travis has other things going on. A lot of business ventures. They just opened their steakhouse. He's now getting married to Taylor. But I think there's still like such an identity crisis that you, even if you have other things going on, like what happens next? And not that many - Who is Travis without the ball? Yeah. And like, he's probably the most in spotlight. We talk about Travis way more than we ever talk about Patrick Mahomes. And I think that was maybe different two years ago is that people were talking more about Patrick.

21:45And now it's like just Travis. So I'm kind of interested. I think that this may fare better for him with his identity crisis if he can kind of pour into a wedding. But he also has the podcast. I don't know. Because like when you retire, are you just like gone? Like you're just done? Well, I mean, look at his brother. His brother retired and now he's broadcasting. thing. Like he's on the Amazon prime Thursday night football team. He's doing a lot of things with ESPN. He's still doing the podcast. So I think for Jason, especially like you, he wasn't nearly as popular as Travis is and especially with Travis's relationship, but now he's really capitalized on his platform outside of football and his wife as well.

22:30So I think if he, he already has, I mean, Jason, if you look at their story, Jason really brought Travis out of the trenches. like Travis was not going to go to the NFL. Like if it wasn't for Jason, Travis might not have been in the NFL. So I think he has a really good role model to follow. And I think he's going to follow on Jason's footsteps and possibly being a broadcaster, doing commentary, commentating, still doing his podcast. Like you said, pouring his, his life, maybe being dad, having some swifty babies. I don't know. I know that'd be so, I mean, I'm sure they'll get pregnant within the next like three years.

23:02If they're going to like, who even knows if they want to, but like, please give us those children because like what animals like genius children that's crazy they're gonna be singing football playing beast songwriting singing songwriting football playing kids yeah yeah it's interesting what kids also have access to with parents who have access to everything in the world like what what do they end up doing but like the thing that i like about Travis and Taylor is that they seem to be such good people. And so I feel like having that stability on like other celebrities, like I don't necessarily, like you can't always speak to a celebrity's character, but based on how much these two are in the spotlight and just like the things that Taylor does for her team and like the way that Travis acts in the press, the way that like the Kelsey's in general act in public, like, I don't know.

23:55I think like having a kid raised with two seemingly great parents is also really interesting in the spotlight, you know, different than like, you know, Northwest, like Kim and Kanye, they are a little bit more checkered, I would say. Yeah. Then like a Taylor and Travis. Yeah. No, they're going to have really good behavior. And I'm actually going to switch this around and talk about some bad behavior. I'm going to give you two stories this week that wreak bad behavior. First one, second one's like pretty obvious and like what a really big story. But the first one, Keon Coleman, I was here for the Buffalo Bills was a healthy scratch this week.

24:32I at first didn't think anything of this until I was watching some videos last night and realized he's been missing meetings. And like, if you miss meetings, that's a big deal. Like you can't just not go to your meet. Like you go to practice, you go to meetings, you go home, you maybe recover, you wake up, do it all over again. he's been missing meetings multiple times and so then the coach pretty much decided to bench him now when you look at this buffalo's bills team and i've already said it they don't even have the depth to be benching this guy or just the receivers to be benching this guy so if you're putting him in that as a healthy scratch that is saying a lot and there's been teammates that have come out and said it in other press conferences after that bills game which mind you was complete hero ball by Josh Allen absolutely went off he had 44 points also my fantasy team this week contributed to my 200 scoring fantasy team iconic but iconic but when you look at that Bill's team you cannot a receiver cannot sacrifice not playing for Josh and so a teammate came out and said yeah I talked to him what we said like you know this unacceptable he knows what he needs to do he has to step up to the plate they also interviewed Keon Coleman And I was basically like, yeah, gotta do better.

25:50No, not really a lot of expression on his face. So I'm confused about that situation. And I don't know what's going on with him, if he wants to be out. He played basketball and football in college. So he's a very good athlete. But it's just interesting to see his lack of wanting to show up for this Bills team, who you're on a winning team at that. Second behavior, bad behavior of the week is Spitgate 2.0 with Jamar Chase. And 2.0. 2.0, guys. I actually saw a video that people talk about what is with spitting? Like spitting on somebody is probably one of the most dehumanizing things. And I'm like, what genuinely makes you want to look at somebody and be like, Hawk Tua?

26:38Like, what? That's crazy. I'm bringing back Hawk Tua. Hawk Tua, though, is a... is the name of one of our, one of the living in the fantasy teams. I love that. Because it's like, you know, because Tua Taglu, Taglu, Taglu, I'm so sorry, Tua. I, I can't say it. I will work on it. You know what? This is on me. But that's one of our fantasy names is, is Hawk Tua. And my friend, my, one of my best friends, Sarah, her husband texted me that one day. And I was like, yeah, that's one of the names. That's awesome. Yeah. But like spitting without. And then lied about it. And then he lied about it. He literally was, he got asked about it after the game.

27:16And he was like, I didn't spit on that man. I didn't spit on that man. Caught in 4K. Literally caught in 4K. Caught in 4K. Yeah. So he is suspended. News came out about 30 minutes ago, recording this on Monday evening. And yeah, he's suspended for the next game against the Patriots, which sucks for the Bengals. Like, not that I was really counting on them winning against the Patriots, but this sure isn't going to help them in any capacity. But yeah, what's with spitting? Like, I think this goes back to my feelings earlier in the season, except you know what? Actually, I'm fired up about this because I'm still pissed at the Cardinals and I'm still pissed that all that happened was a fine when a coach hit his player.