22. Yapping about Trav's last season, Snowy-B, the Panthers, & Week 14 Ins and Outs

9 Dec 2025 · 1 h 8 min

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The Game - Episode 22 Summary: Yapping about Trav's Last Season, Snowy-B, the Panthers, & Week 14 Ins and Outs

Podcast Overview Title: The Game - A Football Podcast by the Girls, for Everyone Description: A fresh take on NFL discussions that includes female perspectives, statistics, and cultural commentary. The hosts, Victoria and Giovanna, engage in casual and insightful banter, hoping to redefine sports conversation.

Episode Highlights This episode focuses on Week 14 of the NFL, discussing various games and performances, including legacies and pivotal moments from the matches. Notable discussions include:

Key Topics Discussed

  • Texans vs. Chiefs
  • Discussion on Travis Kelce's performance and its implications for his legacy and the Chiefs' future.
  • Debate on whether his recent slump will define his career or if he will be viewed as a consistent performer despite current struggles.
  • Bills vs. Bengals
  • The dramatic snowy game where Josh Allen showcased his skills, turning the odds around for the Bills.
  • Analysis of Joe Burrow's performance in the context of his recovery from injury.
  • Lions vs. Cowboys
  • Breakdown of the Lions' much-needed victory and Dak Prescott's role in the MVP conversation.
  • Highlights on the performance of kicker Brandon Aubrey and the emergence of rookie Jamison Williams.
  • Browns’ Controversial Plays
  • Discussion on a critical two-point conversion attempt and the decision to pull rookie QB Shadur Sanders in that moment.
  • Reflections on Shadur's impressive rookie stats amidst criticism of coaching decisions.
  • NFC Shakeups
  • Overview of current standings and shifting dynamics in the NFC, particularly focusing on the potential for the Panthers and Buccaneers.

Quick Hits

  • Chiefs vs. Texans Aftermath:
  • Analysis of the implications of the Chiefs’ upset loss, including playoff chances.
  • Impact of Weather:
  • Insights on how weather conditions (like snow) affect gameplay and performance, particularly in the Bills-Bengals matchup.
  • Injury Reports:
  • Mention of injuries affecting key players and their teams' performance.

Player Spotlights

  • Travis Kelce: Discussion on his legacy and current form.
  • Josh Allen: Praise for his ability to turn the game around in unfavorable conditions.
  • Shadur Sanders: Analysis of his rookie performance and decision-making by the Browns' coaching staff.

Episode Takeaways

  • Legacy and Performance: The discussion frequently centered around how current performances impact player legacies and future perceptions.
  • Coaching Decisions: The implications of coaching choices, especially concerning rookie players, highlighted the importance of trust in player development.
  • Game Dynamics: The episode illustrated how environmental factors (like snow) can significantly change gameplay and outcomes.

Closing Remarks

The hosts encourage listeners to subscribe for more insightful episodes and share their thoughts on the discussed games and performances. The conversation also hinted at upcoming guest appearances and future topics for discussion.

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Conclusion This episode of *The Game* successfully blends sports analysis with cultural commentary, providing listeners with an engaging view of the NFL landscape while championing female voices in sports media.

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0:22I'm Victoria. I'm Giovanna. The game's on. Welcome back to another episode of your favorite football-based podcast, The Game by the Girls for everyone. We have a yap and recap episode for you today, chatting about what went down in week 14 of the NFL. And we've said this every week. Everyone is saying this, like, this season of the NFL is just chaos city. like this is the season where like a girl breaks up with her boyfriend and then everything goes haywire you don't know what's going to happen you don't know who she's going to date you don't know when she's going to be in europe am i describing my own life i didn't think about it while i was saying it but kind of so we're going to talk about it and we're going to start with the texans chiefs but before we do that if you haven't subscribed to the show make sure you hit subscribe so you know when new episodes come out.

1:18Right now, we have a Tuesday and a Thursday episode and an occasional Friday episode. This Friday, we have a fiance of a Colts player. Her name is Julie, and she is so wonderful. She's a med student, and so it was really fun to talk to her a little bit about Carly and a little bit about the internal workings of the Chiefs. And then we just kind of hit it off. So we just kind of chatted like friends. It's a super fun episode to hear. So make sure you tune in on Friday for that. So if you haven't subscribed, subscribe so that you see when the new episodes come out. If you haven't followed us on social, please do that at The Game, the podcast.

1:58We've been posting a lot of clips from the episodes. And if you're not on our sub stack, the game, the podcast.substack.com. I just came out with a gift guide that you can send to your family and friends. And then when they're like, what do you want for Christmas? Like it's all locked and loaded in there. Everything from like $8.99 to like$400,$500. So pretty full on gift guide, but something good to share with your friends and family if they don't know what to get you. And it's a lot of aesthetic stuff around the NFL, which I love in aesthetic. So without further ado, let's get into it. Giovanna, what did you about the Texans Chiefs.

2:36Travis Kelsey, if this is going to be your last year in the National Football League, I fear you need to step it up. Kelsey up until this point, and I hate giving kind of an ultimatum in the situation because Kelsey has been decent. Like he has had some really good games. He's broke the all-time receiving record within the Chiefs organization this season. And so he's done some really great things. But I fear in this Chiefs-Texans game, Patrick Mahomes' stat line wasn't the best. I mean, there was quite a bit interceptions. He had three interceptions, to be exact. I believe two of those were not his fault.

3:20One of them was, I think two of them were actually balls to Travis Kelsey and ended up being drops. But there was one in particular where it was just butterfingers for Travis Kelsey and he could not hold on to the ball, gets intercepted. It was just very bad seeing Travis Kelsey in that light. And I fear that all of the positive is going to be negated by these negatives when it comes to Travis Kelsey and his legacy. and if this is his last year in the National Football League, you know, he might be remembered as a little bit of a butterfinger and a little bit of a guy that couldn't make plays when it mattered.

4:03I don't know. What are your opinions on that? I respectfully disagree. I think that this will be known as the Chiefs. Well, I think what happens next year is going to be highly, is going to highly determine the press about the Chiefs for the following 10 years, but I don't think it's going to be determined this year. They were in the Super Bowl last year. They are a dynasty, whether they're playing well right now or not, they are a dynasty. But I think that Travis Kelsey has branded himself so well outside of anything on the actual field at this point that like there's no way he's going to be remembered for being Butterfingers in his last season of 15.

4:52Also, while he's getting married to Taylor Swift last year, was on the cover of GQ, is the winningest touchdown leader for the Chiefs of all time. I just don't think that those can compare to like five really bad games because he's had five really bad games. I do think that if we're looking season specific, that is the story. And I think that you're right about that, but I don't think like, I don't think this changes his legacy at all, but I do think it determines if he will come back or not. Cause I know that's been a hot topic. And as he said, I think he's come out saying like, maybe he's getting close.

5:29But then at the beginning of this season, he was saying that he was feeling really young and like commented on a potential retirement. So I don't know. I, yeah, I think I disagree that his legacy will be that this will like change the way people see him just because he's so famous outside of this now the only thing that i would say is like i don't think it's going to change i think it's going to just stain it a little bit because like when you look at his brother i feel like his brother got out at like an optimal time when like obviously like jason was a really good person on the o-line and he did a phenomenal job with the legacy and when you look at the chiefs and again this has been a huge storyline this season their fall from grace they're actually not even going to win the AFC now after this loss against the Texans we talked about this last week that playoff percent chance now coming down to that 14 it's at that 14 and we are now in dog mode for the Chiefs because they you know are they're breaking history but they're also breaking history in a bad way so to look at that and then to put that on top of like, if this is Chavez Kelsey's last season, I think it's going to be a little bit same because of like the, all the external factors, not say that he's still doing amazing things outside of the season and he's still a really good tight end and really good player in general, but it would be very interesting to see him retire this season, given all of the like first the chiefs have had, I guess.

7:02Do you not think, though, that this is actually the perfect time for him to retire? Because if he retires now, he's going to be praised for retiring when he started to decline versus players that stay in the league too long. That's, I feel, like a stain. I feel like the team not doing well, him not producing the way he's produced previously and kind of riding on records that have been built over time. I think that now's the perfect time for him to retire to say, you know what? My play quality going down. I can't be the asset to this team anymore, which based on everything that he says, I think that this is his perfect time to retire, retire in a classy way, retire with honesty and transparency and like lay it all on the table and then be praised for being someone who did so well for so many years.

7:59And right when he starts to see his decline, he says, thank you. I'm no longer contributing in the way that this franchise needs. It's my time to go because they're going to keep him for however long he's going to play. So I kind of think this is the perfect time to retire stainlessly versus someone who maybe should have retired a long time ago and stays in and gets hurt. Or Aaron Rodgers retiring now is kind of like, OK, it's about time. Like, you know, and I don't think that Travis Kelsey wants to be that and if Aaron Rodgers retired his first season of kind of seeing a decline I don't know yeah I mean people were saying this last year about him I mean I feel like the optimal time to retire for Kelsey might have been last season to like I guess go out with a bang if you will but I think because he was feeling so young and refreshed we wanted to continue and I think that's kind of not the issue but like that's just the reality of these players like Like Travis Kelsey, in my opinion, doesn't look like he should be retiring.

8:59I think he's still more than capable of playing in the National Football League. It's just changing so much. And I think not only is Travis Kelsey have changed, but the Chiefs team as a whole has changed. So it's just going to be very different for him, particularly if he does continue, if he doesn't continue. But I guess we will see and only time will tell realistically for this Chiefs team. but they are officially eliminated from winning the AFC. And that is crazy because they have won nine straight AFC West titles and reached the AFC championship game. I mean, every single season Patrick Mahomes has started from 2016 all the way to 2024.

9:45It's crazy that it's 2015 was the last time they did not win that championship. Like that is so wild. But to be very explicitly clear, the Chiefs are not out of the playoff running. They can still make the playoffs. They just cannot win the AFC championship. So they are not totally out of the playoffs. You're going to see a lot of headlines that say Chiefs out of the playoffs. That is incorrect. They are not fully out. They have a 14 % chance of making the playoffs. So you can consider that might as well be out, but they're not actually out. they just can't win the AFC West title this year, which guarantees them, if they win that, it guarantees them an at-home playoff game.

10:24So that's what they're out of. I want to do a little recap of the week, which we haven't really been doing, but I wanted to do a little recap of kind of everything that happened, and then we'll continue to like yap and recap our favorite moments. So as we were talking about the Chiefs, their worst losses under Patrick Mahomes, three turnovers forced by the Texans, and held Kansas City to its fewest points ever when Patrick Mahomes was a starter. The Jags beat the Colts 36-19, which is the Colts' worst loss of the season, and now they have the sole possession of the AFC South. I don't think anybody saw the Jags coming.

11:05Also in that game, Daniel Jones, their fearless leader and quarterback, tore his ACL. He previously had, I believe it's a right leg fibula fracture, sure what your fibula is one of the largest bones. I think it is like the largest. Oh, your femur's large bone. But you have a fibula and a tibula. Oh, man, my science is wrong. Anyway, he had a fractured fibula on his right side and then tore, I believe, his left Achilles, the opposite leg. He tore an Achilles. You're pretty much out. Then we had the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears. I knew this was going to be a good game. The Bears were nine and three.

11:45the Packers were 8-3-1. So now the Packers are 9-3-1 and the Bears are 9-4. 28-21 Green Bay, that game ended in an interception in the Bears end zone. Seattle Seahawks dominated the Falcons 37-19. Okay. Rams crushed the Cardinals 45-17. No serious notes, but the Rams are up there in NFC contenders. And then the Saints won 24 to 20 over the Bucs. Wow. Yeah. Quarterback Tyler Show ran for two touchdowns to lead the way. So that's shocking. And I think that has implications for the Bucs moving forward. So that's your overview of what happened in week 14 of football. all. Let's get in to some more of the drama.

12:42There's so much to talk about. There's so much to talk about. Can we start with the Bills Bengals game? Yes, please. I have never been happier to be on my couch. Like all the girls, when I said like on TikTok, like, oh, I'm going to go to Buffalo, they were like, come for a snow game. No, it's different out there. It's different. Because let me tell you, when I went to the game when it was in the 40s, I had jeans, thick socks, knee-high boots, a long sleeve, a sweatshirt, a puffer, a hat, gloves, hand warmers, and I brought a blanket inside. And I feel like in that, I think it was like 41, I felt great.

13:30I felt perfect in all of those layers. but the snow insane there was oh my gosh who was it there's a video of someone on the sideline and he's like you know some people are made for this but i am made for this shit not built for this yeah it's one of the bengals players sitting on the on the sideline just like miserable i do think and i mentioned this in a tiktok i did some predictions which honestly a lot of them i was wrong about this week but i predicted that the bills bengals was going to be a really good game So I was really happy to see a really good game. And Joe Burrow, especially coming off of his injury, absolutely killed it.

14:11Like Bengals fans could not ask for any their performance than what the entire Bengals did over this weekend. And so I think that, you know, loss is a loss. But I think that like Bengals Nation should be very proud of the way that the Bengals showed up. and the Bills have just had a more well-oiled machine than the Bengals had. And I think that's just facts. But I loved watching the game in the snow. I was super happy to be cozy. And if you need a heated vest because you're thinking about going to one of these insanely cold places, you can find that on the gift guide I made for you. Shameless plug.

14:50Okay, if you're saying that the Bills had a well-oiled machine, compared to the Bengals. I can't say that because I will continuously shout it from the rooftops. If the Bills did not have Josh Allen, they would not be anything right now. They would not be anything. Josh Allen is consistently week after week playing hero ball, getting the job done for the Bills team. Halftime, the Bills had an 8.4 % chance of winning that game. And then Josh Allen with his legs, with all of the, I mean, play of the game, not only did he have a couple of plays where just, I don't even know how he got the ball off getting sacked, but also running the ball himself into the end zone, getting points on the board for the Bills.

15:43Like, yes, Bills defense showed up in some parts that, you know, they had a couple of interceptions. Joe Burrow threw, I think, three interceptions in that game. So Bills defense was decent. actually they threw two interceptions Joe Burrow threw two interceptions but when I look at this game all I can think about is Josh Allen and after the game too Josh Allen was like Joe Burrow is one of the best quarterbacks in this league and gave credit to where his credit is due which is you know classy guy as always but again looking at this game Josh Allen mind-blowing just mind-blowing yeah no I agree and I think when I said well-oiled machine I'm not saying that the bills in comparison to the league just the bills are working with the same system they've been working with the entire season where the Bengals had Joe leave but I think the Bengals are the exact same way though because Joe Burrow went out and they were absolute garbage like it wasn't even fun to watch like I literally was barely even tuning I was tuning in because I have a podcast where I said I was going to talk about football but I wasn't tuning in because I was interested in the Bengals when Joe Burrow wasn't there.

16:53So I think that they're like somewhat equivalent in that way. Yeah, it's actually funny because Joe Flacco has the most passing yards in a single game after week 13. He has the most passing yards in a single game when he got to the Bengals with 470 passing yards in a single game. So I don't know. That's just so many yards. I know. In a single game, which I'm going to get into Shudder a little bit later because there's another interesting thing about him. I'm excited to talk about with you. But yeah, final thing about Bills, Bengals, absolute cinema. I mean, couldn't expect more. The snow, the snowy ground, a game that was just, you're on the edge of your seat.

17:37Bills pull out an amazing W that nobody saw coming. I think I have a timeline. Oh yeah, a timeline. First quarter, six minutes left, tied zero, zero. Second quarter, seven minutes and 30 seconds left. Bengals up 14-3. Bengals then go up more 21-11. Then in the fourth quarter, the Bengals are up 28-18 with seven minutes left. Bills come back, get points on the board. 28-25, 28-32, 28-39. Two minutes left. The deficit that they overcame was literally one of the most entertaining games that we've watched this season. So, yeah, I agree. I agree. Anytime a snow game is going on, people are locked in.

18:25There's nothing worse than watching a blowout snow game because it just feels sad. So I love that it was like a good game. The Bengals were up by a lot and then the Bills won by a lot. And I just think it was it was a great watch. It was probably one of the most fun watches of the season. Exciting to see both of those quarterbacks. They're two of the most favorite quarterbacks in the league. I would say like on the personality and favor, like if there was a likability score, they would both highly be up there. So yeah, I don't really have any other notes from that, but one game I forgot in my recap, because it always feels like it's so long ago, Thursday night football.

19:06Let's get this one out of the way so you can talk about the things you're excited about. Talk to you.

19:14oh it was so bad and this is my problem that i have i feel like whenever i expect the cowboys to win they lose so whenever i expect them to lose they win so i'm over it i'm over it yeah you know i think the score if you look at the score after the fact and you don't watch the game like it seems like the lions like destroyed the cowboys but the game felt much closer yeah during the actual game if you look at the score though 30 to 44 it seems like the lions like really blew them out a little bit but it really felt close the entire game like i i didn't feel calm, but I didn't feel that uneasy. But it was a good, a good game on both behalf.

20:03One thing that I always hate, and Louisa would tell me it's just football and that's the way it is. But I felt like both teams were being unnecessarily aggressive after the end of plays, which just isn't that fun to watch to me. Like if you're going to break out in a whole fight, like if you're going to fight then fight but if you're just gonna be a little little rude like don't be rude unless you want to hit someone yeah and maybe that's a hot take but like there were a couple plays on both sides where i was like do we do we need that was that necessary you couldn't have just called him a piece of shit in your face masks i don't know but the cowboys and their winning streak against the Chiefs, which after the Chiefs lost this weekend, the Chiefs win for the Cowboys feels less good and less impressive, I would say.

20:58And then the win over the Eagles, I would still say is impressive. But then the Lions took that streak away from them for a three-peat going on. I do think that this was a super, this was like a must-win game on both sides. And I think the Lions really, really needed it. The Lions are still in third place. You got the Packers, then the Bears, the Lions are still below the Bears. So the Lions still have work to do, but they're not, they can't do anything if they can't win. So I was happy to see the Lions when Jameer Gibbs is obviously an absolute dog. Jamison Williams, wide receiver with a touchdown.

21:36One of the favorites to watch this season, Isaac Tesla, was in a couple of times, which is always It's kind of fun to see a rookie wide receiver popping in. Aminor St. Brown was a huge conversation because he had an ankle injury in the previous week. He got like zero fantasy points and he's on like at least 15 of my team. So that was painful for me. But they checked in before the game. He was running routes. Like it literally looked like he didn't have any pain. And so I'm curious, like, did he actually not have any pain or does he have the switch? Because like I know as a gymnast, I had a switch where I was like, you know what?

22:08The pain doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. So I'm hoping that he's like actually okay. And then it was like a little ankle roll and everything's fine. He's got a little steroid shot on the butt real quick and he was fine. Yeah. Yeah. I also think that one thing that it feels like a little bit of a bummer from this game is I do like the idea of Dak Prescott's name being in the MVP conversation. I think he's just doing a phenomenal job this season. And I think their offense is doing a phenomenal job, even in this game, to put 30 points up on the Lions is fantastic. And so it's a little bit of a bummer just to know that, like, that conversation is going to probably minimize a little bit, not saying it's going away.

22:53But I like what Dak's doing. I like the way he responds to other teams. He seems like a stand-up guy. So I'm, like, rooting for him to have success, not against my team, but, like, in life. I like that. I will reiterate one of the most consistent players on the Dallas Cowboys because day in, day out, he's also just a dog and he's doing things. That's our kicker, Brandon Aubrey. On Thursday night football during that game, he was five for five. He broke a record for 60 plus yards field goals in a season. He was the first player in the NFL history with three 55 plus yard field goals in a single game.

23:36He also has more fantasy points this season than Justin Jefferson, Saquon Barkley, Ashton Gentry, and Drink London. If he was in different positions, he would rank as quarterback 22, running back 12, wide receiver 7, and tight end 2 in fantasy. That's just a kicker, guys, when you look at his points. So shout out to him on the Cowboys. He, you know, again, being one of the most consistent players on the Cowboys team. We love him. Protect him at all costs. He was like making his field goal numbers. Like these aren't like touchdown and field goals. Like he was kicking field goals from the freaking other end zone.

24:25Yeah. Yeah. It's insane. Like he had what, like 49, 48 and 59. Something crazy like that. You like when the game's on the line, which is a really good thing that the Cowboys have in him, but the game's on the line. You need to win by a field goal. 99.9 % of the time, Brandon Aubrey's locking it down. Yeah. Yeah. Other player to note on the Cowboys from that game, Javante Williams running back for the Cowboys got his thousandth yard for the season. He's at 1022 yards after Thursday night's game. He was round two pick 35 to Denver in 2021. He spent four seasons in Denver and then came over to the Cowboys this season.

25:11Last year in Denver, he ran for 513 yards and now he's at 1022 so far this year. And I'm really happy for him to go from a 500 yard season to over a thousand yards. and a thousand yards for like running backs and receivers is like a pretty big deal. It like puts you in the upper echelon of receivers and running backs. And so just like hats off to him. And it's really cool. I wanted to see something similar out of Debo with the commanders this year, but obviously the commanders have been having a time, but I love watching a player move and it really be to their benefit. Another player like that, speaking of the Cowboys, Micah Parsons is in the top five sacks, sackers this year.

26:07That's bad. So a trade that like went well, essentially is always kind of cool to watch when it goes, when it really works out for the player. And then finally, Jameer Gibbs. I mean, the man's a legend. Also, if you don't follow his girlfriend on TikTok, she's like stunning. She has really, really good game day outfits. Yeah, she's so pretty. Like, she's so pretty. Yeah, she's stunning. But Jameer Gibbs ties Barry Sanders with 47 touchdowns in his first three seasons. Some are also noted under the age of 24. That's also a record or at the age of 24, which is just it reminds you that these players are young.

26:49But Barry Sanders is like one of the most famous. I mean, I feel like everyone knows who Barry Sanders is, you know, famous, famous lines of all time. So Jameer Gibbs go off. That's insane. 47 touchdowns in three years. I had to like double check that stat because it made me nervous to say it out loud. Gibbs also has the highest career yards per carry average by a running back with 500 plus rushes temps. And he's averaging like 5.5 per attempt. So when you think about it, you're getting five and a half yards every single time you touch the ball, essentially, which is really good. Yeah. Yeah. He was spinning.

27:26So that's our stats episode, guys. We like really, we deep dive into these stats. We do. And we have a guest for our stats episode this week, which we are really excited about. So I just sent her over notes for tomorrow. Should be fun just to have like a different perspective and another person, she knows her stuff. So check in for that on Thursday morning. Okay, let's move on. Do we have two engagements this week? Because you have Drake May and I have Mark Andrews. Wait, did he get engaged? Yeah, it was on Instagram. Huh, I guess you did. I love his girlfriend. His girlfriend's really cute and she like bakes and stuff.

28:08She cooks a lot. So that's why I follow her. Wait, Drake Mays? Yeah. Yeah, she is cute. Didn't she come up in the media for like something else recently? She was just, everyone like trolls her, not trolls her, but everyone's always like commenting on our TikToks, like protect our boy, like make sure he eats well, make sure he gets enough sleep tonight, like our little MVP candidate. Oh my God. So I think that's why she's been kind of blowing up, but we got, I'm going to, I'm going to wait because I cannot wait to talk about Siddur and the Browns, but Drake may, yes, did get engaged. Mark Andrews, who is a Baltimore Ravens tight end is now engaged to Elena Yates.

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30:37Oh, I feel, this is a hard situation for me because I feel like people are dogging on her and I don't think she knew that it would come to this, but Dylan Gabriel's fiance, I believe her name's like Zoe or something, post like a game day, get ready with me type of video. And she, in this video was talking about like how her husband should be starting. And like her capsule was like another Bears or another Brown's loss. And obviously, you know, Shadur has now taken over QB1 roles over there. Then there was someone that commented like, maybe you should be talking about this or whatever. Then she kind of claps back and was like, well, my man should be starting.

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31:24You wouldn't know everyone in that organization wants my man to start. You wouldn't know because you're not an NFL coach or you're not a player. And that's when everyone lost their minds because they were like, oh, no, did this girl really just say that? So my opinions were support your man always. but when you are a wife and girlfriend the player like that especially a quarterback you have to have you have to know when to talk and no one to like not say anything about these situations because it can actually be very very very hurtful to not only you and your brand but your husband because everyone in that locker room is probably looking at your husband or fiance I guess I just A little crazy because you're on social media saying some crazy things.

32:17Yeah, I think it's interesting. Like his girlfriend is Zoe Caswell. They've been together since high school and they got engaged in 2024. 24. Okay. I feel like everything around the Browns is pretty much a disaster. So she really like stepped on a shit sandwich by accident because Browns fans kind of hate their lives already. And I genuinely think this has nothing to do with her. I also think the clapback that that whoever commented knows nothing is a fair point. Like, maybe she's not perfectly correct that everyone in the organization wants him to be the quarterback because if they did, he would be playing.

33:09But like, the clap back of like, you don't know what's going on in there. You're not a player. You're not in the locker room. Like, honestly, kind of fair point because for all she knows, people are in Dylan's ear telling him you should be playing and he's telling her. so I don't I think that this is like misplaced anger on her which is super unfortunate I do think you're right that like once you go into like she's gonna learn a big lesson here just about when to talk and when not to but somebody that I think is outspoken and does it well is Allison Cooch and she's known for saying whatever she wants and being unfiltered about it.

33:50So I think that now Zoe has the opportunity to do two things. One, to be kind of funny, not care, lean into it. If she's funny enough, like, I don't think that I'm funny enough to lean into it like that. But if she is, she has an opportunity. She's given herself a platform now, which she didn't have before. Is she a genius? Are we talking about the Browns when we weren't going to. You already have a platform though, because you like all of these wives and girlfriends, especially when you are the wife and girlfriend of a quarterback, a starting quarterback at that, you already have a little bit of a platform, but I kind of see where you're going.

34:36The only issue I have with it is you can be outspoken, but I do not like people being outspoken at the cost of putting down other people. and there was, it wasn't explicitly said, but everyone can put two and two together that obviously she believes that Dylan Gabriel, her man is better than Shader Sanders, point blank period. And that's why she thinks Dylan Gabriel should be starting because who else is going to be starting on the Browns? Nobody. I do feel like that he has been pillow talking to her a little bit about, you know, what's been going on in the Browns organization and what they're feeding him.

35:13Maybe they're both a little delulu because I mean, I don't know about y 'all, but I'm going to give y 'all some stats about how well Shadar has been playing as of recently. But I don't know. It's a tricky situation for me because I, again, will always support people that I think should be supportive of their man. And I'm the first one to be the biggest cheerleader of that. But at the same time, you have to know, be smart enough to know what to say in the media and what not to say in the media. And on top of that, you're talking about Shader Sanders. It's always such a big sensitive topic right now.

35:51Like you just threw more fuel on a nuclear bomb. So it couldn't have been any more of a worse time. Okay. So really the main issue is that she told someone you're not in the locker room, so you don't know. And then the internet blew up. Well, she also - Is there anything that I'm missing? She also said, like, there was the TikTok video of, like, the Get Ready With Me, the caption was another Browns loss. And people were, like, kind of upset about that because it's like, yeah, the Browns are losing, but the Browns are losing when your man was playing as well. I don't, I didn't go back and watch the video.

36:32Yeah. I don't know if she explicitly said any more commentary. I think she might have sent a couple more commentary in that video about her sentiments on the Browns right now. Yeah. But again, I just think she should have kept her mouth shut. Maybe this is our agree to disagree episode. This is sassy. Like, I don't think that she didn't know what she was doing. Because I'm looking it up on TikTok right now. The caption is, Browns lost what's new crying emoji. And the comments are turned off. so I think she turned off the comments after the fact but I think her saying we lost and my man needs to go back in I also okay I also kind of feel like this is a fundamental hatred on women because no because no but Giovanna listen listen if a man goes into work who's a Browns fan has been a Browns fan forever and says we suck nothing nothing happened Like, also, she only has 10 ,000 followers on Instagram and 24.4 on TikTok.

37:42But I don't think she had that many before this. Like, I don't know what the range is, but it was salty. It was salty for sure. But I just like, I don't know. I don't know. I think people freaked out for no reason. I'd be salty if my man got put in and taken out too. Yeah, because he was playing bad. Yeah, because he was playing bad. I think the issue I have is like, she's, she's being salty and she's like, everyone in the building wants him to play, but you wouldn't know that. And she's saying all these things, but it was like Dylan Gabriel was leading the Browns at the Superbowl. And again, no, you're right.

38:20Yeah. It's like, it's like, yeah, they're losing, but they were, they've been losing the whole time. So it doesn't really matter which one's it. Yeah, when your man was playing. And again, when you are in, and maybe this is just how I think, like if you're in a position where you are looked at as a role model, you have a big platform and you are in a position where quite frankly, a lot of girls want to be, there has to be some sort of example you set. And I don't think being overly confident in your man's abilities and wanting him to, like, play on top of the fact that we're talking about your competitor, Injager Sanders, who's already been a sensitive topic.

39:03I just think it was a miscalculation on her part. I don't think it shouldn't have, it shouldn't have blown up as much as it is. And I don't think she should have, I think she should have had more, looked at the situation better because it's just bad. And it's just, it's bad in my opinion. I don't think it's a shade on women by no means. I think it's just bad. It's bad. But moving on. Moving on. Okay. I am scrolling through her feed though. And she's never really commented on anything game related until now. and so I think maybe this was like a little bit of an emotions driven post and now she probably regrets it but yeah big time I mean I would regret it too like do you know how embarrassing that is for your man too like because now anyways anyways I'm I guess yeah I think also like if the caption wasn't there it wouldn't be that much of a problem but the caption is what really set set the ship to sink.

40:03Like, if she had just done the TikTok without the caption. But you know what? These girls are also young. Like, I guess they're your age, but, like, they're young. Like, 24 is pretty young. Like, you're trying, like, just throwing spaghetti at the wall at this point. I mean, I look at girls like Brooklyn Adams and a lot of girls that we've interviewed, Ali Raich, like, the people that we've interviewed on this show. And I know opinions, they could have so many opinions that are controversial, but for the sake of their family and for the sake of their partner, they're more than likely not going to be sharing those opinions because they know that it could, somebody is going to have something to say about it.

40:44So I don't know. Okay. But I want to talk about Shooter Sanders because I like Dylan Gabriel. He has been playing very well. They lost to the Titans. This game was actually very important to me because Titans quarterback, Cam Ward was number one overall in this draft class. Obviously, you know, Shader Sanders did fall. He was supposed to go top 10, but clearly did not. Shader Sanders has more 300-yard passing games than Drake May. Our MVP favorable candidate, Shader Sanders, has more passing yards than Drake May. The comparison between Cam Ward and Shader Sanders and that Titans-Browns matchup, Schuder completed 23 out of 42.

41:29Cam completed 14 out of 28. Schuder had 365 yards. Cam wore 117. Total touchdowns, Schuder had four. Cam had two. They both each threw one interception in that game. But the deciding factor, two-point conversion, the Browns decided to call a wildcat play. And a wildcat play is essentially a trick play. Yeah. It's a trick play that's used in certain situations, especially like a two-point conversion. You're trying to get people, you're trying to get in the end zone, right? If they got that two-point conversion, I believe they either would have tied or won the game, but they didn't, and it's interesting because Shadur Sanders was not on the field during that play.

42:12Kevin Stefanski took Shadur Sanders out, your quarterback, and the biggest play of the game took him out, and he was on the sidelines. And obviously, like most news outlets, they asked Shudder Sanders about it in a press conference. Shudder was very graceful about it and was like, hey, you know, that's what my coach called. And I don't really have anything else to say about it. But today, everyone is looking at Stefanski a little bit sideways. It's I think it's a bummer for Shudder knowing that he is putting up numbers and losing like that, because unfortunately, if your team is just losing, losing, losing, you get lumped into that, which is exactly what we were talking about with Travis Kelsey.

42:56And you were kind of considering for Travis Kelsey, who's like, is this going to smudge his record? Because it doesn't look good on Shadour, even though he's essentially performing. Well, you would never have guessed that Shadour Sanders, I mean, unless you're just looking at stats all the time, but the fact that Shadour Sanders is playing on a certain caliber, similarly to Drake May. It's just crazy to even think about it because he's on, you know, this Browns team. So Browns, they go down, they score a touchdown in the fourth quarter on this drive. Yep. And it was going to tie the game, right?

43:31The touchdown, the fourth touchdown, they were 31-23. Actually, I have to shout out to Harold Fannin because he's been a really, really phenomenal player for the Browns right now. Oh, the two-point conversion would have tied. The two-point conversion would have tied the game, which was that Wildcat play that I was just kind of explaining. I'm still trying to see who's lined up. But, I mean, a lot of times you put running backs under center. Your team is a mess. Why are you getting someone else to throw the ball? You've already had 97 people throwing the ball. Your entire story this season is about your quarterback room being an entire bus full of adults.

44:09What is going on? Not only that, but the fact that Shadr threw for over 300 yards that game and you didn't trust him enough to finish that game. Like, that's crazy. That's the rounds. I don't know. Y 'all need to get in a circle and have a come to Jesus meeting because whatever mojo is going on in that locker room right now in that organization is not working. And I bet Shadr wants that one back. Yeah. One of the funny things about Shadour, I feel like, is when you expect Shadour to have nothing to say, he has something to say. And when he should have something to say, he says nothing. It's almost like when he feels safe, like there's nothing to say, he says something a little crazy.

44:59And you're like, oh, okay, okay, sneak that in there. And then when something crazy happens, he's like, you know, if my coach has won. Yeah. He's the first Browns quarterback with 300 plus pass yards, two pass touchdowns and one rush touchdown. Rookie quarterbacks with that same stat line in a single game have only been Shooter Sanders and Joe Burrow. So I'm just saying who said on the beginning of the season? You did say it. I did say it. I did call it. I did call this one.

45:36Yeah, okay, my last stat about him. The Browns quarterback with at least 700 passing yards and five passing touchdowns in their first three career stats. It's just Trader Sanders. He's the only one. And he hasn't even been playing for the whole season. He's played like, what, five games maybe? Like, I feel like in my head it's three. This was his third game. I know he's done more than that. But, okay, he's on a four-year,$4.6 million rookie contract with a$447,$380 signing bonus with a prime equity clause for revenue from his NIL slash merchandise. Yeah, which again, I think that's why. Because this is technically a pay cut for him.

46:22Yes, he's balling out. He got taken out of the last play. He could have been a hero ball. There's already been a bunch of comments It's about how this coach doesn't really want him to be there and want him to play. And then you put the Doug Gabriel fiance situation into it. It's like, it's such a sensitive situation, but I am, I am proud of Shudder. I really am. And what was a sweet moment for me is seeing Dion and this, like, you could just tell he was just a proud dad. Like, outside of who Deion is, he was just proud to see his son kind of overcoming all the adversity and just going out there and playing.

47:04So that was really sweet to see. I mean, is it not a little crazy that once the media started to shut the hell up about Shadur that he started playing well? I mean, I didn't give him a chance. But I think, again, I think there's always going to be hate on Shadur. I think it's inevitable. It's just because of who Shadur is. I mean, there's hate on Aaron Rodgers. There's hate on Joe. Like, there's always going to be hate on these guys. but should there are definitely more than usual. And I think, but I think he had to have had this moment because I don't think if there wasn't as much pressure and there wasn't as much of a hard path for him entering the NFL, he wouldn't have a tip on his shoulder and he wouldn't have been playing out of his mind and then playing to the standard he's been playing right now.

47:46So I think everything happens for a reason. I think maybe you don't know, you know, we don't know. Yes. Yes, but I think when you... Pressure makes diamonds. And I think when you... Jitter was already a diamond, but I think this whole situation was a really big learning lesson for him. But why didn't Drake May have to go through this? Why did Drake May just get to, like, pretty boy it up? Because Drake May didn't have Deion Sanders as a dad.

48:12Well, let's talk about a new team. It was all about Jitter all day, but I'm glad that he's playing well. I'm glad the media shut the hell up because I don't want to hear any more white men over the age of 60. talking shit on him anymore. And that's me getting fired up for the day. Now we're going to reel it in. Bucks Saints. I didn't watch this game. It was a need to win for the Bucks and they did not win. I can't believe the Bucks lost. That's all I can say. Okay. Question for you. Mm-hmm. Knowing that the Bucks lost to the Saints and it was 24 to 20, so it was a close game. do you think that this is creating a runway for the one and only Carolina Panthers to continue their winning streak hey I'm I'm all for the Panthers what's interesting to me about that game is the Saints are not even in playoff contention like they're eliminated and the The Bucs are very much still in.

49:16So embarrassing for y 'all, because we all know how bad the Saints have been in the last. Oof. Anyways, but embarrassing. Very embarrassing for Bucs and Baker Bayfield and the talent that you have in that team. I very much do think that this is creating a lane for the Panthers. I'm all for the Panthers. I think after this bye week, they're going to have, get this, the Panthers play the Saints. and then the next week they play the Bucs. So this might get real interesting. Yeah, because they go, well, it's crazy though because they also go Saints, Bucs, Seahawks, Bucs. Mm-hmm. So. Oh, the Bucs play the Falcons.

50:00So they'll probably both be in a same, like assuming that the Panthers can beat the Saints and that the Bucs can beat the Falcons because it would take something kind of crazy for that not to happen on both sides, but they're both going to be coming off of a win, so they're both going to be kind of hot. So the Panthers currently in the NFC are ninth. The Bucks are currently fourth. The Panthers being wedged between Dallas and the Lions and then the Bears are right there is so interesting to me. Like, oh my gosh, the NFC is a toss-up. Actually, believe it or not, the NFC changed a lot from last week to this week.

50:41Last week, the Bears were atop of the NFC. This week, they fell to seven, all the way to the bottom after that loss to the Packers. So now the Rams are atop the NFC, followed by the Packers, Eagles, like I said, Bucks, Seahawks, 49ers. So it's hard. It's literally any given Sunday because it could change upside down next week. You just can't predict what's going to happen in the NFC right now. So to go back to your main point of the Panthers, the Bucks losing to the Saints definitely might have created an avenue. As it stands currently to the Giants have the number one pick in next year's draft since the Titans won.

51:18Wow. That's crazy. Damn. Well, very interesting stuff in the football world. I will mention briefly two games that was interesting. Well, really one game that was interesting to know to Vikings after getting blown out last week by the Seahawks, 26 to nothing. Turn around, beat the Commanders, 31 to nothing. I was like, oh, don't worry guys, you think Justin Jefferson had a good game? No. Three fantasy points again. That is a bad story in football. Literally lost me my fantasy this year. I just lost my playoff, first round of playoffs because he had three points. But he was really nice. We talked about this last week.

52:07You know, his character, he was really nice. He got asked about it in the press conference and he literally was like, you know, I just want to win football games and if we're winning, you know, obviously my involvement is I would like, but he literally quote, I'd rather win and not get the ball than lose and not get the ball. So I was like, you know what? Real. Real. Yeah, we like him. We do like him. I hope he goes somewhere new. Okay, yeah, that was crazy. Zero points for 31 points. Okay. Yeah, there was a stat line about that too. And then the other game that I'll mention is the Ravens and Steelers game.

52:47And it's only because it was a family affair. Lamar Jackson hasn't been playing that well and did not play like Lamar Jackson in this game. But one of the interceptions he threw was by his cousin. his cousin picked off Lamar Jackson. It was the cornerback, James Pierre. Apparently they're related. So people in the comments were talking about like, oh, that's going to be interesting Christmas dinner. Yeah, that's super fun. He's never going to live that down, which I kind of love for them. Yeah, same. Oh my gosh. Okay. I have an ins and outs list for us to close out the week. Like, Inns, I saw three to four guardian caps on the field.

53:34And guess what? Nobody's saying anything about it or calling them weird. So everyone put one on. So I think my autocorrect corrected whoever the name was because I don't know what this is. But multiple guardian caps on the field. Inns, Lions, Bills, and Texans. And Mark Andrews engagement. outs bad ref calls because there was a really controversial call in the Ravens game oh my gosh I forgot to talk about this yes because and so then I was like I got to double check these rules so Ravens player catches it in the end zone and then essentially two to two and one eighth to two and a half feet go down and the ball is dropped.

54:27So what constitutes as a catch in the end zone control of the ball, two feet or body parts down in bounds and a football move. So he had two feet down control of the ball while his two feet were down and the football move, which could be taking a third step tucking the ball reaching for the goal line showing the ability to do so proving the player establish themselves as a runner after securing possession so it's like to me it looked very much like two feet down and then forward progress and then drop but his third foot did not touch the ground so i can understand why they called it not but a lot of people are really upset about it.

55:15What do you think? Well, okay. Because you've watched more of these than I have. So I'm really curious to hear your opinion. It's actually funny because this morning, hearing people talk about it, they were playing the Des Bryant catch. I mean, if you don't know, a couple of years ago, Des Bryant on the Cowboys had a catch and it was a huge deal. Whether he caught it or not, he didn't catch it and I'll stand by that. But I have two things. So I'm I'm going to kind of negate myself looking at this play. You don't have to have three feet. You only need to have two feet, but it's also, you have to look at the order that I feel like the refs call it by, you have to have clear control of the ball, then two feet in bounds.

55:57When you look at receivers and like textbook, like catching along the end zone, they're typically there's they're taught to pull it into your body. If you look at that play, he was still kind of folding it out, which is why the defender was able to punch it from him but by rule in my opinion it was a touchdown because he had two feet and it was in his hands and he caught it that was a touchdown however after watching it this morning and hearing some other people talk about it cam newton said something without unreasonable doubt when it comes to these big plays and i feel like that's really key when you look at the situation you have to give the refs on like there should be no doubt in their minds that this is a touchdown in those situations and i feel like that's kind of why it was a 50 chance either way to get called so unfortunately do i think it should have been a touchdown personally yes however i can see both sides of the spectrum and how it like was eventually not ruled a touchdown i also don't know if ruling that touchdown was going to be the end-all be-all for this game you know resulting if it was a win or a loss for the ravens or not that's kind of the other issue i have it's like okay what if it was we'll touch down y 'all still might have lost i don't know but i think this is one of the things with football and football fandom and listening to sports broadcasting in general is that people put a lot of weight on very specific small moments in a game and act like nothing else matters where it's like, you know, if there's a last kick that was for the game and he lost it, then he lost the game, which in some ways is like true, but also like, okay, well, if your team just did better, then you wouldn't have lost.

57:46You wouldn't been in a situation anyway. So it's hard, but the end score was 22 to 27 with the Steelers winning. so it definitely would have changed the game we can't say that this definitely would have won it because nothing is that definitive because you don't know yeah but this it's not like it was a blowout and this touchdown didn't matter like this touchdown did matter or the not touchdown did matter in in the end of result of of the game so that was really interesting but i think we've just heard a lot of like a lot of bad ref calls over the last couple weeks like every single game I feel like there's been multiple calls where people are just like what is happening yeah also I kind of hate the idea of like going to New York because why do I feel like New York is men in their basements no I like I feel like they're little gremlins like making decisions like behind their computers like it's same thing with like Vegas like New York and Vegas like why also like who chose these cities like what does it have to be New York and Vegas yeah I'm like I'm always like okay this is so dramatic like I mean I guess for consistency but like we don't even know who these guys are if they were like over to Tom and John but like who are these people are they interns who's Tom who's John yeah like how long have they been working here are they qualified yeah like because if I could pick who's in New York it'd be women and because you know women can suss stuff out very well.

59:23We're, we are all in the FBI for, for all I know. And so I would have given them a touchdown. I would have given them a touchdown. Maybe instead of having it be New York, we should have it be the revamp of the girls room. And then every single time there is, you know, a play or whatever they have to review. And then they say, let's go to the girls room. And then they show the women deciding so we can get some evidence on why they're making the calls they're making because you know what? This is what I think it is. I think it's a deflection so that people don't get mad at refs or at public figures in the stadiums.

1:00:00Oh, yeah. And so they put it behind closed doors because of the potential backlash. That's actually a good point. Because these people probably would be the most hated people. And I don't want to be at the wrath of any NFL team, any NFL fandom. Like, can you imagine entire Eagles, what do they call it? Eagles Kingdom? Eagles? Yeah. That's so dramatic. Eagles Kingdom? No, I also, no, it's actually, I never thought about it from that standpoint, but it's actually so true because they don't want to have a face or a name associated with these calls. They just want it to be like the refs or like New York.

1:00:39Yeah, so it's like under further review, like from who? Somebody is crazy enough to literally like threaten your life. Yeah, because people are insane and people are so diehard for the NFL and like some people without the ability to detach from it, which is problematic. Yeah, but that's the same thing with gambling, too. Yeah, like I would not want that job. But I now understand because this whole time I've been like, I hate this. And now after this convo, I'm like, I actually understand. because when we disagree with their calls, nothing happens to anyone, which probably for safety reasons, keeping it ambiguous isn't the worst idea, but I would love to know that there are women in that room.

1:01:25Could we get a retired person from that room? Have you guys know anybody that works in New York? They signed an India. Yeah, they definitely did, but somebody might be, well, I guess, I don't know how new New York is. Oh my gosh. Okay, we got to move on. Okay, outs the Chiefs. Travis declined press this weekend. He looked real sad. Real sad, which... Oh my gosh, Victoria, I heard your voice in my head as I was watching this game.

1:01:57When I was talking about Travis, I was dropping him off. Yes, yes. He was on the sideline and his eyes were closed. He was like, hmm. All I heard was your voice in my head and I was like, oh my gosh. But we literally talked about this. We called it. That's why they're on the outs because we called it. We knew that going into this matchup, the Texans defense were going to shut them down. This is like another thing that I have with like sports in general and the way people talk about sports is like, they'll be like, like the choice of when to listen to stats and when not to, because they'll be like, well, the Chiefs are going to win out because it's the Chiefs.

1:02:38And it's like, okay, but have you looked at any numbers? And then if you bring up numbers, then they're like, well, it's just, it's just how it is. But then if you bring up another team and you're like, well, if I'm like, I just vibe with the Panthers, they're like, well, do you know the stats? And I'm like, which one is it, Joey? Which one? No, like every single comment on our TikTok, like literally this one man who I would like to add, I looked at his bio, has Christ lover and like man of God and their bio. And he literally commented tax podcast equipment when all I said is that the Broncos are 10-2 and every single time they've been 10-2, they've made it to the Super Bowl.

1:03:14There was no opinion in that because there was zero opinion in that. And he said tax podcast equipment. I said, we need to tax people commenting hate on TikTok when you have Christ's lover in your bio. Like that's insane. Find a new hobby. find a new hobby but thank you for the engagement um okay the rest of my outs list the bucks i know people love baker but like you guys come on come on get it together down there you weren't even you weren't even playing in the snow so i'm not sure outs this one's sad snowy b turf toe you be snowy victoria you are killing me right now you guys come on snowy b oh my gosh i can't take credit for that one i think one of the announcers said it and i i'll never forget it wait you know it'd be a really hot couple what joe burrow and sabrina carpenter oh my gosh did you hear that jackson dart slid into alex earl's dms not surprised isn't alex earl like my age isn't she like 30 no she's like she's like 24 like she's my age yeah she just graduated college not too long ago she went to you dude that is she was dating she was dating this guy named braxton barrios who's in the nfl apparently they've broken up now it's been this huge thing as of lately.

1:04:52Honestly, if I was Jackson Dart, I might too. And he's like, are you single now? They'd be kind of hot together. Alex Earl parties in Miami hours after Braxton Berrios breakup. Also, who's Braxton Berrios? No, yeah. He used to play for the Dolphins and now plays for the Texans. Does he play, though? Wow, well, that's crazy. These are from one day ago, so if Jackson Dart was sliding in, it was... Come on, Jax. Pretty soon. Come on. Oh, my. Alex Earle addresses Jackson Dart DM rumor E! News one hour ago. Let's go. Okay. The T's popping up. Jackson Dart reached out to her after Braxton Berrios' breakup.

1:05:37Alex Earle called people out for posting a fake Photoshop DM, supposedly showing Giants player messaging her, throwing a flag on the latest rumor. what is this fake photoshop dm you guys are posting on her instagram story december 1 or december 7th one that never happened two that wouldn't be on my story honestly that's true that's enough to to negate it for me but like honestly if jackson dirt doesn't slide in now he's missing an opportunity when i saw it was like her close friend's story that's why i kind of believed it because it was somebody that screenshotted it from her close friend's story.

1:06:17I wouldn't hate that. I wouldn't hate that. I mean, they'd be caught. We are. Crazy. It'd be crazy to watch him come up while she's... If you listen to... I listened to Victoria Beckham the other day on Call Her Daddy, and Victoria Beckham was very famous dating David Beckham before David Beckham was massively famous. So Jackson Dart's already massively famous, but he hasn't had his career success yet. So is it a Victoria Beckham, David Beckham? I don't know. Okay, my last out, and then we should go because we're along today, is sadly, Davy Jones. Oh. I know. It hurts, but... It was a good while it lasted.

1:07:00It was a good while. I honestly still kind of believe in the Colts. Oh. I mean, the Colts... I'm going to save my... I'm going to save this for the start episode. remind me to tell you. Okay. Yeah. The Colts, they still have a good thing going. We'll see. Okay. I'm actually so excited for stats. What? I said I'm so excited for our stats episode now. Yeah, yeah. That's going to be fun. You're going to destroy my love for the Colts, aren't you? I guess we'll find out. But we do have a Colts girl on on Friday. Okay. That's all we have. Love you. Bye. Bye.

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We chat about legacies and timing as the Chiefs stumble, then revel in the cold-blooded theater of Bills-Bengals in the snow. Lions-Cowboys swings on kicker greatness and a rookie’s rise, while Cleveland’s two-point Wildcat call sparks a QB trust debate.

• Chiefs, Texans aftermat,h and the Kelce slump
• Week 14 whiparound results and implications
• Bills Bengals snow classic and Josh Allen’s heroics
• Lions beat Cowboys, Dak’s MVP buzz, Aubrey’s range
• Jameer Gibbs’ historic pace and impact
• Browns’ two-point Wildcat without Shadur
• Shadur Sanders’ rookie stats and composure
• NFC shakeups and Bucks Saints fallout
• Ravens Steelers end zone ruling and officiating clarity
• Quick hits on Vikings rebound and family pick in Pittsburgh
• Ins and outs list to cap the week

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December football finally showed its teeth. We open with the Texans’ upset over the Chiefs and a sharp debate on what a midseason slump means for Travis Kelce: a legacy stain or a short-term story that won’t survive the larger arc of rings, records, and cultural reach. From there we zoom across Week 14’s turning points—why the Jaguars’ statement, the Packers’ late pick, and the Rams’ scoring binge actually matter—before settling into the weekend’s main event: Bills-Bengals in a blizzard. Josh Allen flipped single-digit win odds with legs and late-game poise, while Joe Burrow kept it surgical until Buffalo’s defense seized momentum. It’s the kind of snow game that reminds you why January dreams are built in December.

Thursday night brought heat of a different kind. The Lions clawed past the Cowboys as Dak Prescott kept MVP chatter alive, Brandon Aubrey turned the field into his personal launch pad, and Jameer Gibbs continued to sprint into franchise history. We break down why Detroit needed that win more, and how a metronomic kicker changes risk calculus for an offense.

Then comes Cleveland, where the Browns pulled the ball out of Shadur Sanders’ hands on a potential game-tying two-point try for a Wildcat that fizzled. Shadur had stacked 300-plus yards and multiple scores, then watched the deciding snap from the sideline. We unpack the numbers, the optics, and what trust should look like when a rookie is earning it in real time. 

If you’re here for smart NFL talk with a pulse—dynasties under the microscope, young QBs forcing tough decisions, and the sneaky value of elite special teams—you’ll feel right at home. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves winter football, and leave a review with your boldest playoff predi

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