30. Big Playoff Implications, Team Drama & A Sheduer Redemption: NFL Week 17

0:21I'm Victoria. I am Giovanna. The game's on. Welcome back to another episode of your favorite football podcast by the girls for everyone. The game. We are very excited to be bringing you an episode going into the final week of regular season today. We are going to go into a more standardized format for our Tuesday episodes through playoffs. playoffs. So what you can expect is yapping and recapping, casually talking about the things we like, care about, are upset about, need to know, want to know in the NFL. And then we'll have an ins and outs list. That was a big hit when we debuted that last year.

1:05So ins and outs from Giovanna and I, and then we will close it out with things that we have seen on social media that you might want to check out as well. So we're excited to go into the rest of the season and post-season with you. Stats episodes where we're diving more into numbers come out on Thursdays, and then we'll have the occasional interview on Friday. A couple of really good ones in the works. We're very excited to bring those to you. So let's chat about it. Week 17. I actually have a story to tell you, Giovanna. I almost forgot. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. So if you guys didn't know, I'm in Hawaii, and I'm sure you can tell by my voice that I am unwell.

1:49I have the flu Which is horrible So please excuse my raspiness. I always get a lot of compliments though when i'm raspy And people are like is that your normal voice and i'm like you just heard me cough for like 20 minutes straight like no, this is not my normal voice, but I do get a lot of compliments So I don't know if you like it keep it to yourself because it means that i'm unwell Also if my voice cracks, I apologize. Anyway, let's go. So I Have been watching the games on like my phone on youtube tv or if there's like a TV where I am, I've like caught a couple of glimpses. But yesterday I was like, I need to catch the end of the Eagles bills.

2:26And I planned on that before I even saw what the score was. I was like, when it hits the fourth quarter, like I'm going to the bar. I'm going to get a lava flow. I'm going to watch the TV and we're going to watch Josh Allen take it home. So anyway, there's a man sitting next to me and I do love talking to men about the NFL because how are we going to break through the barriers and show men that women actually have brains and know how to speak about football in any capacity if we don't talk to them. So I was like, oh, hey, like, are you watching the game? And he's like, yeah, yeah, I am. And we just started chatting about it.

3:00And he was like, so how's your fantasy team? And I was like, well, I'm actually in a lot of fantasy leagues. And this man, mind you, is very drunk. Like by beginning of conversation, like tipsy end of conversation, like can't coherently keep a conversation going. And sir, if you're listening to this, like I did have a great time talking to you. You're cool. But I did just think that this progression was funny. So anyway, we start talking about fantasy and he's like, he's like, you know, an episode where you just talk about how to put what player in for fantasy is like really important because I have a lot of money on the line.

3:34And he's like, what are you playing for? And like, whatever. And I was like, oh, I got one money league and I got this fantasy league for women and we're going to give away a prize at the end and whatever. And he continues to tell me that his league is very expensive, almost in a way that like I've never seen money before. I was like, you know, if you like have money and you want to bet money, it's like, well, you know, it's like thousands and thousands of dollars on the line. So now I'm like, I need to ask more questions. So my family fantasy league, if you win, you get 300 bucks. So like very low stakes, the girls league living in a fantasy, very low stakes, like mostly for fun.

4:12And, but then he, before he tells me how much he continues to tell me, he's like, you know, but like me and my friends have the money. So like, it's okay that we're betting thousands of dollars. I'm like, yeah, well, if you're rich, then why not put your money wherever you want to put your money? Like, I don't sure. Like who cares? And so then I'm like, what do you win? and they have a fantasy league for$32 ,000 is what the winner wins. And I was like, what's the buy-in? I don't know. I mean, it must be like three to five grand, depending on how many people. That's crazy. Which is crazy. But the way that he was speaking about it to me was like, well, you know, like if you have the resources and you know, I know everybody doesn't have it.

4:55I was like, you don't have to be PC to me, sir. You're hammered at the bar. I'm drinking a lava flow. We're talking about Josh Allen. I'm telling you to pick your fantasy players based on vibes because that's really the only way to do it. Cause you can like stats the hell out of yourself. And then your player goes out second quarter. So whatever. Um, but he kept justifying it to me, but I was like 32 grand is a big payout. Like that's a huge payout. That's a thousand times what I would have won if my fantasy team had it lost. But I'm wondering now, like what are people really playing for? Yeah.

5:26Now I want to know. So if your boyfriend, husband, if you are in a fantasy league, if anyone, you know, coworker, your wife, whatever, if they're in a fantasy league and you're playing for thousands and thousands of dollars, like a down payment on a house in Iowa, let me know because I'm so curious now. And I'm like, should I be putting more on my fantasy leagues? It makes you pay attention for sure. I just lost. championship matchup my team absolutely just didn't didn't want to play like just didn't want to play i mean the the it was pretty bad but yeah i lost out in the championship and the winner first place takes home 500 so but i still walked away with some money i got i think i get 250 coming in second so still happy and it's like the furthest i've made it and this isn't a league we're like mind you I'm the only girl and my team my team name is losing to a girl so like to so we got I'm so proud but it's like a sad way to go out because it was like your team I feel like fantasy to some degree becomes a game of luck on what players go off and like what players don't versus like how much you're like strategizing and what players to sit and start and all that kind of stuff.

6:46It's like all luck and vibes. And like, I mean, I know, I, I know that some people will like beg to differ really, really strongly, but like, you just don't know. And like Jared Goff has been playing very well. He's my quarterback in my paid league and my man scored two points. Yeah, it's bad. It's bad. I picked up Taysom Hill this week because George Kittle didn't play. And then I've been doing a double tight end strategy in my flex. I'm in the three flex league for this week. And so I had Harold Fannin and Taysom Hill in. Harold Fannin obviously scores a touchdown, then leaves the game early.

7:25And Taysom Hill finished with a whopping zero points. Yeah. Yeah. George Kittle went out and I unfortunately forgot to reset this lineup. So it's so abysmal. Like Jared Goff, 2.08 points. Jameer Gibbs, 6.4. Devontae Swift ended up way overscoring, 21.9. Tee Higgins, 9.9. Terry McLaurin, 11. George Kittle, 0. Oh my God. Hold on. I'm mixing up my Swifties. DeAndre Swift. I was going to say DeAndre Swift. Yeah. And then Devontae Smith. He's my wide receiver, but he had 4.5. I had both of them on my team. Yeah. So that sucked. But yeah, I'm like, I think that if you play fantasy based on vibes, it's way more fun.

8:13For sure. I actually have to delete my fantasy app because I was so mad on Sunday and like I wanted to enjoy watching football. So I just deleted the app because I was like, this is terrible. Yeah. And if you're in living in a fantasy girls league, I'm going to be doing like an email announcement of like the top 10 in each league and then the official winner of the league who we're going to give, we're going to send something to. We hope that that prize grows over time. So we're really excited about that, but we will be back next year for a second season. We are hoping to partner with an app so that your girl isn't in 108 leagues, but you know what?

8:50I would do it again. I would do it again. For the girls. For the girls. And it was so fun. Like I love, I love the chats. And I got to say that the top chat of the season was Jimmy Kittle Live, the 49ers girls. They're in there every day. They're in there. They're chatting. They're friends. They're like cheering each other on. They're like teaching the new girls. Like that chat really went off. So if you're in that, that's just so fun. And I'm really glad that you got to participate. And I'm really glad that we had a platform where you could like chat and make friends and stuff like that. So we're really excited about that.

9:23Don't delete sleeper yet either, because I might DM you for your like Instagram or something like that. okay enough about fantasy let's talk about what the heck is going on we're just talking about bills eagles bro crazy crazy crazy what i don't like about this game and obviously you know it came down to josh allen not being able to convert on that two-point conversion but i do like the consistent reminder if there's 55 minutes to play a football game i don't know if that's the exact time but you know there's a lot of time to play a football game and josh allen and i say this probably almost every week on the cast like he is carrying this team and i know it sucks for him because he knew that was on him and it was a wide open man in the end zone but i hate the narrative of like people blaming him for this loss and like people just being so Carson like you he knew that was supposed to be him and like I also think that was 100 % the right call to go for the two-point conversion because yeah I do because the Eagles their offense was missing they had no offense in the second half so and clearly they read that they they made the right call the man was wide open so I think it was the right call to actually end the game versus going into overtime obviously there is you know that blocked kick and all other stuff but I think it was the right call and I also don't like the Josh Allen hate yeah the Josh Allen hate is a no however I disagree I think that it was the wrong call because the bill the bills didn't even score until like the fourth quarter and so if you can't convert anything you're the fucking bill then you can't score at all for the first 45 minutes why would you expect to be able to do it in that moment.

11:21Like, I think it was the wrong call because they were not playing well enough. Like if a team is playing well enough and they're getting touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, like in the, um, the bears 49ers game, a two point conversion would have been something to do because they could not stop each other no matter what run or passing. That was like one of the most insane game of completion after completion, after completion. And in that it's like, if you're completing, completing, completing, it makes sense. But why like the Eagles didn't score at all in the second half. And so why wouldn't you kick the field goal?

11:55Yeah, you missed one, but it's so hard to block a field goal. It seems like the odds for blocking a field goal are much lower than the odds of the Eagles being able to take it in that second half all the way to the house and then stop the bills again when the bills were essentially on a run in the second half. tough so I didn't like the call in the moment I was like okay like maybe and then now that I've had time to like think about it if your receivers can't catch a pass if you can't connect with them like why are we doing why are we trying to do that well it was clearly it was it was an error on Josh which kind of gates what I said I don't I don't want the Josh out and hate but it was like he makes that throw accurately 99.9 percent of the time that happens to be the point like one percent of the time that he didn't make it and the reason why i do like the call because it it would have worked it would have worked despite the the miss accuracy of him throwing the ball the man was wide open on the back of the end zone it was the right call clearly read the defense from the eagles that they were showing right i actually give a shout out the eagles defense because that was probably the only thing the eagles had going for them in that game as their defense, clearly.

13:12But low-scoring game, that was a tough loss for the Bills. You know, we'll see them in the playoffs, but the Eagles are the only team Josh Allen has not beaten. I know. And that was a huge storyline going into this game, and I really thought Josh was going to do it to him. He finished pretty good when it comes to numbers, because he's always going to get those rushing touchdowns from fantasy's perspective and from a stat perspective, but I know Josh wants that one back so bad. I know. I just feel like when all of that is on the line, why would you create a pressure cooker when you don't need one?

13:48The Eagles didn't score the entire third quarter, so why do we think they're going to score in overtime? And like, that's very, it's so, if I think I would have felt differently if the play was a bust, like if the play just like absolutely didn't go wrong. But since the play like went well, but it's valid on both sides. And like, that's why it's so hard being a coach. like yeah yeah I agree with you though I think the play like the actual play call of like what routes to run and who to throw it to I like agree that that was a hundred percent if you were going to do it that was the best option and it just had like an unfortunate ending but I think that going for the field goal would have ended in a Bills win I think the player that actually blocked it had another blocked kick yeah because the eagles have blocked before yeah i think this guy is like notorious for so maybe that was reasoning behind why i don't know we could speculate but it's it's interesting i do kind of like that about the eagles that like the eagles have a couple like niche things that like other teams don't have like the tush push which like as controversial as it is, like, I think it's kind of like fun little thing, you know?

15:00And yeah, like the tush push and the ability to like block field goals. It's like, I like that. I like it too. Yeah. So Josh Allen completed 23 of 35 passes, 65.7 % for 262 yards. So honestly, that's not, I mean, that's like probably nearly average for a good quarterback, you know? Yeah. I mean, And then Jalen Hurts was 0 for 7 in the second half. So. So bad. I do also think still Jalen Hurts for president. I know there's been like controversy, but I love Jalen Hurts. And I think that he would actually, if he wanted to do a political run, I think he would do really well. Him and Jameis Winston.

15:44Did you see Jameis Winston get into a fight? Well, he went to defend his friend. his it was like a yeah i think it was like a some some coach yeah it was a coach i was like okay jamis we love this energy i loved it jamis jamis can't run for president though because he has sexual assault allegations from college oh yeah yeah and we need to end that trend of like even if there's an allegation against you you can't run like we don't want you i'm sorry i don't care if it was in college i don't care if the case didn't go if you have allegations for sexual assault, you're not allowed in positions of power.

16:22So unfortunately, we can't have Jameis for president, but we can have Jalen because first lady, Mrs. Hertz, IBM executive, hot. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. And he's amicable enough that he can please everyone, you know? Yeah, he is. Okay. Moving on. Ravens betting on the Browns to win. There was so much social media stuff about this. Yeah, it was crazy. All over the place. And then who said in the press conference, like, I need to call Shadur. Like, somebody called Lamar. Didn't Lamar call Shadur? No, it was Tyler Huntley because Lamar didn't play that game. But Tyler Huntley was the backup quarterback for the Ravens, which it's just so funny because remember at the beginning of the season, the Ravens wanted to draft Shader and it's it's kind of ironic that the Ravens and Shader are still kind of like intertwined but yeah Tyler Huntley after his performance and winning he was like I need to go call Shader and tell him he needs to go win against the Steelers obviously Browns take the W against the Steelers and then what's funny is the Ravens posted on Twitter they were like oh my gosh perfect timing thanks shout out to the browns and the browns go and post and they're like don't think we did this for you like this was for us like don't get anything to it we didn't we weren't gonna do any favors for y 'all like no that wasn't that wasn't on the on the thing yeah i love the browns ravens and is this shador's redemption arc is the ravens calling up shador and like creating this kind of positive thing are we leading into his redemption arc because i think yes i mean i think we've been in his redemption arc since he started like since he became the starter for the browns i think we've like been not necessarily like redemption's a like a bad word to like coin for his whole season but i feel like just not clearing his name but just proving himself and proving like the kind of guy he really is and the character he really is and like the talent that he really is too.

18:37I feel like it all is a reflection of like how he's been acting, what he's been saying, how he's been playing. So really happy for him. I don't think he's like proving himself. I think that the media is like, they can't fabricate stories because he's talking more now. Because before he only said a couple of things or only a couple of storylines that people just like hammered in, hammered in, hammered in. And now they have to shut up because they were wrong. Because I don't think that Shadour ever did anything very, like you guys know I'm a Shadour stan, have been from the jump if you've been listening.

19:12I don't think he did anything that wrong, but the media ate him up. And I think that like the easiest way to shut people up is to give them nothing bad to talk about. And Shadour is doing that. And so I think it's a redemption arc for him in the media because the loudest media people can no longer they have nothing bad to say anymore so it's almost like we're not talking about him anymore which is like the redemption of his name not because he had to prove himself in my opinion but because nobody could say anything bad yeah I think in my in my eyes every rookie quarterback especially quarterback that comes into a league that steps into starting QB1 role in their first season has to prove themselves just because it's you know a different game but not proving themselves in like a bad way just proving that they've you know actually belong in the NFL that's a question that I would ask of Tyler Shook Cam Ward like all the other rookie Dylan Gabriel for that matter like those are questions I have for every single rookie quarterback so but yeah yeah Dylan Gabriel is officially becoming relevant it it's funny because today i was scrolling through tiktok and there was this girl and she was like what happened to dylan gabriel's fiance like we haven't heard from her in a minute after like the whole controversy and so i was curious and i went on her profile and she's still posting and stuff like you know normal but it was just funny because i'm like when you think about all of like the little things that happened in this season there are like so many of school and like the grand scheme of things but it's funny just to remember like oh that did happen she did say that I think we're like kind of in the opposite of cancel culture right now where we're not canceling anybody but we are shaming them for one thing so it's like we're not canceling them like and when I say we it's obviously not us okay not me because you know I'm a very graceful girl okay but like the media and sports media like takes one thing and they're like, shame, shame, shame.

21:25It's so crazy. And now, and so we're not canceling them. We're just shaming people and then we forget about it, which I think is a good reminder that like this too shall pass, like with everything. Literally. Like whether you're famous or not, like this flu will pass. Whatever story you have in your own head will pass. Like that jerk guy will pass. Yeah. I think there's another thing I want to say about the Steelers and Browns game, but I'm actually going to save it for our Inland Out list. We want to thank our sponsors at Cuso Cuts. Cuso's making life easier and tastier every single time we use it.

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23:20Yeah. Cause like, I don't know. I've seen videos of him like talking like in like a really informal like podcast kind of setting. And like, obviously seeing videos of like him with his family and stuff. And I'm like, you know, you're a standup guy. But if you don't know, Max Crosby is a defensive player for the Las Vegas Raiders. He's probably the best defensive player on the Raiders and one of the better defensive players in the league. the Raiders essentially told Crosby mind you to give context the Raiders and the Giants just played and this was like the first pick game because the the winner of this game was technically the loser and the loser of the game was technically the winner because they would get the first pick and I have thoughts on that but I'll get into it a little bit later but prior to this game the Raiders basically told Crosby he would not be playing the rest of the season.

24:11They shut him down and then they go place him on IR because he has to get knee surgery. Immediately when Max found out about this news, he was not happy. He leaves the facility and I mean, they had a game to play, but he's not playing because they shut him down. I heard Pete Carroll, the head coach of the Razors, like talk about this. And he actually was like, I don't blame them. Like it's something that I would you know probably do too he's a competitive guy and that he wants to be out on that field so he you know was kind of backing up Crosby and his decision a little bit in that sense but then Max goes and posts a video of him playing basketball like I'm not like not like we're playing force like shoot around this man's like dribbling and crossing up and like shooting threes playing basketball and jumping on a trampoline and now everyone's like so did you really have to be placed on IR?

25:02Like what's going on? Like they said, you need a knee surgery, but clearly your knee looks fine. And like, I don't know if it's one of those injuries where it's like, you can still kind of operate because he was still playing to a high level essentially, you know, on this injury. So I don't know if it's one of those like kind of random injuries where wasn't too taxing on like his actual ability to move but people people are really i guess not mad at the raiders but it's interesting because clearly the raiders are trying to tank for that first pick which i mean i don't blame them because the raiders need the first pick like you go get a quarterback but interesting to see the developments of everything and then crosby's reaction and then post to the being told that you're getting shut down.

25:54Okay. That's so insane. So his from NFL.com he'll have a meniscus trim on his knee in the off season reported by Ian Rappaport and a quick recovery is expected. Yeah. And then his official position is a defensive end, just in case anybody was wondering. So, okay. I know that you can, if you have an ACL tear or a meniscus tear, a lot of people go a lot of time between the actual tear and the surgery and can live like a normal life. Like depending on the severity and depending on the person, pain tolerance, muscle mass, other supporting strengths in the knee, hip and ankle, all of that can kind of influence if you can or cannot continue to be mobile and active with a meniscus or an ACL tear.

26:50So like, that's just from like my life knowledge and being an athlete that like, not everybody needs to get ACL surgery right away or meniscus surgery right away. So it's not shocking to me that he could still play basketball, especially. So it sounds like it's that his meniscus is a little bit shredded. So if you think like a cheese grater, like, you know when you get a cheese grater and you're doing like a block of cheese and it doesn't come off all the way, but you have the little string of cheese, like before you finish it, that's probably what his meniscus looks like. And so it could be uncomfortable.

27:26Like some people, it will like stop their knee from extending all over the way or flexing all of the way. Also, everyone for reference, I am a personal trainer, so I know a decent amount about the body. So it could be like that situation where it like clicks or like locks up, or it could be very minor. And it's like, we don't want you to go in because we don't want you to further tear it. Because anytime you have any tear, you're at risk of tearing it more. But I mean, the Raiders are not my favorite team. I'm wondering where did this decision come from? Because Pete Carroll's also been under some flack.

28:00And I mean, we even talked about Tom Brady being under flack for the Raiders being a mess. So like, where's the decision coming from? Like, I feel like we don't know enough about what's going on in the Raiders office. Like I need an insight in there to be like, this guy's passive aggressive and really uncomfortable and everyone hates working with him. And he ultimately makes the calls because nobody wants to stand up against him because it makes it a whole mess for everyone. Like, is that what's going on? Because that's what it sounds like to me. Yeah. And they had a lot of drama last season too, with their head coaching situation and that was abysmal which is why Pete Carroll was not there I can't blame Pete though it's his first season he came into a terrible team but I just think this team needs some defense and a good quarterback and the Raiders could look a lot different next season not going to say they're going to be better or like the best team but with with the with a better quarterback and you know some straightening up in certain positions I think the Raiders have a lot to go for.

28:59There's, you know, questions around the O-line too because Ashton Gentry still had a decent rookie season and a rookie campaign on this Raiders team as far as stats go. But, you know, he was playing behind not the greatest O-line. So, I don't know. We'll see. I hope Crosby, I mean, I would love him to go to another team just for the drama of it and the chaos of it. But I want him to stay because I do think the Raiders can be on the up and up if they make the right moves, especially with Pete Carroll, even though he's come out there in age. But, you know, that comes with wisdom. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's kind of the same thing as like Aaron Glenn.

29:43They both went into like really messy franchises and there's like truly only so much that you can do. And I think that Dan Campbell was so in the spotlight when he joined the Lions, like across the league, similar to how Mike Vrabel is like so in the spotlight now. But I think that both of those organizations, the Lions and the Patriots, their entire organization was prepared for a good coach to come in and be like the missing puzzle piece. Whereas like, I don't think that the Raiders organization has legs to stand on. And so I think that like no matter who that coach was, like even if it was a Ben Johnson, like if you have little to nothing to work with, it's like, first of all, why?

30:31If everybody has around the same budget, you're, I mean, like obviously it like shakes out over the years of when you draft and how much you pay and whatever. But like if everybody's working on the same, you know, they're all in the same league, then what's going on in that organization? Who is the issue? Because Because I mean, Pete Carroll's not like a winningest coach of all time, but Pete Carroll's not a bad coach. But there's also like, if you send one decent firefighter into a burning building of like 700 units, like the guy can only do so much. Right. I think the finger could be pointed in a lot of different directions.

31:10And a lot of teams going into this offseason are going to be dealt with the same thing. You mentioned Aaron Glenn and the Jets. They're kind of in the similar bowl. the Tennessee Titans, although they've been playing really decently well, you know, at the end of their stretch of the season, they have a lot of questions they need to address. Obviously, you know, their fix was getting the number one pick, but we see, you know, even with the number one pick where that kind of gets you. So there's going to be a lot of teams that are going to be looking not only at roster changes, but at coaching changes and personnel changes.

31:39And I think that's going to be something to watch in the off season for sure. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I'd love to deep dive more into front offices and things like that because it's like any business. The NFL is a business and every team is its own business. And most success of the business comes from the top down. It doesn't matter how many A-plus employees you have, A-plus players you have. If the top of your organization cannot manage your team well, you're screwed. It's not going to work. And if the people who work for you don't respect the top, you have nothing because then they're only playing for themselves, which is also messy when you're hired to play for an organization, but you don't respect the organization enough to like, it's really just about you, which creates a bad culture.

32:26So I think that's super interesting. I guess we'll see what happens there. Yeah. Max Crosby. I mean, the social media assault is crazy, but I don't think that a player like Max Crosby goes to social media, just like I don't think that Aaron Jones goes to social media unless it's their last resort. Like those are not guys who like on a whim are like, I'm going to post this. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, speaking of, I have no good transition for this, but the NFC South Carolina versus Bucks. I'm excited for this game. I mean, I still like the Panthers. the only so the carolina versus the bucks upcoming for could be fourth division which is crazy because two weeks ago i very much thought that the panthers were going to lock this up and call it a and be done but they haven't so this could be the battle division only if the falcons by a miracle go in and win we're recording this on monday so if they go in and win tonight's game which I mean Isn't it Falcons-Seahawks tonight?

33:38No, it's Falcons-Rams Oh, yeah If the Falcons beat the Rams the Rams do not deserve their number one seed The Panthers did it but if the Falcons go in and beat the Rams tonight Carolina will win the division hands down However, if they do not then that game will then be the decider for the division, which is really interesting because, you know, I mean, this division is, is, I don't know. I actually texted Victoria during the Panthers game and I was like, the Panthers are selling me right now because I had Rico Dattel, who I thought was going to have a really good game. Even, you know, they're playing in the CFs have a really good defense, but Rico Dattel and TT on my fantasy team.