Maggie Sellers & Courtney Reum, Maggie's Boyfriend, On How To Heal From Your Breakup And Not Let Everything Else Fall Apart

23:44Can I be silly? can I fail can I be vulnerable with this person they're just so worried on being loved and I think that goes back to like this idea of like we hear as women if you're in your late 20s or early 30s like there's nobody for you and you're old and like but I think it's also like it's still the fundamental thing what I hear you saying is that everyone's a little different but for me it was about making sure it wasn't like necessarily changing what I was looking for of course there's a little bit of that, but it's just like being solid with myself. And not everyone has to be as solid with themselves as I think I want to be with myself.

24:19But I think it's that because there's different attachment styles. If you're with someone who has more of a attached, attached style, and the other person does, and you're both aware of it, and that's what you want. I don't know if that'll work, but who am I to judge? But like, I'm a very independent person. I love my life. So now if I'm not totally solid with myself, and I want independence, and I want some freedom, but I want to feel like freedom within the context of relationship. I have to really know what I want and really know what I'm looking for because we, I don't want this enmeshed thing.

24:47We all know relationships of people who are, it's like really enmeshed and maybe it works for them. I don't think it would work for me. So I kind of have to know that about myself to make sure I don't get into those. A thousand percent. That's actually one of the other tips that I wrote down before I was like meditating on this episode is that when I went through a breakup where I didn't take the time to fall in love with myself and like get hobbies again as an adult and like understand how I could self soothe. Like that's a huge thing too, is being able to calm your own nervous system down without feeling like you have to rely on somebody else all the time.

25:18Like I think the biggest tip that I did, and I'm so grateful, even though as people know, if they listened to the first episode, you and I were introduced like while I was not even out of my last relationship. Right. And there could have been an old Maggie that would have been like, oh my God, he is on paper, everything that I'm looking for. Like, I'm just going to jump from one thing to the next. And if I'm being totally honest with myself and with you guys listening, it's like when I ended my last serious relationship before my one two years ago, like I kind of did that. Not that I was looking to jump into a relationship, but I was definitely looking for validation.

25:52I was definitely looking to get my ego fed. I was downloading a dating app the day we broke up to like upload the hottest pictures of myself and like get dopamine hits from likes and like get, and it's funny because when then guys would actually like ask me to go on dates, I was that girl on Raya that was like, well, I don't actually want to go on a date. Like I just wanted the validation from like thinking that I'm pretty or whatever it is. And I think the difference and why we're sitting here today and why it's like we have such a partnership with a capital P is like I didn't do that that time.

26:20Like I took the time to be like, I am not okay. Like I need to fall in love with myself. And I know you always make fun of me for like my horse and like the kumbaya thing. But it's like that centered me back to a place where I loved myself. And like, I thought my life was so full that I didn't need somebody, but I was excited about the opportunity to maybe find somebody. Does it ever feel like you're a marketing professional just speaking into the void? But with LinkedIn ads, you can know you're reaching the right decision makers, a network of 130 million of them. In fact, you can even target buyers by job title, industry, company, seniority, skills.

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27:32I'm so excited to embark on this adventure with all of you. Make the best I do win! On Brand with Jimmy Fallon. Series premiere Tuesday on NBC. I mean, I think what you did or that strategy is for sure the best for like long-term peace, inner peace and like all that. But I also think that doesn't have to be for everyone. But if I had to do one thing over again in general, because like I said, I've had short ones where I was like broken, at least temporarily. I can't even imagine that. And I've had long ones where I felt ready to date the next day. But if I could do one thing, if I was going to prescribe one thing, I would just say just slow everything down a little because like waiting an extra day or week for the date won't kill you.

28:16Doing whatever you're talking about doing. I mean however long you do it for, to each their own. But just having a – it's that book I love, that Anthony DeMello Awareness. Just having awareness just slows it down. So like our friend who we're talking about who is just coming off a long relationship, he's, I think I'm proud of him because he hasn't jumped anything super aggressively or super physical. And it's so tempting as a guy to do it because it's there. It's easy. It's easy for girls to. Like what do you think about that saying like to get over somebody, get under somebody else? Is that true or false?

28:46I think you butcher a little bit, you know, save a horse, ride a cowboy to get over someone, get under someone new. Isn't that what I said? Do you think that that works for guys or no, it's just you leave feeling empty? if I had to say I think it works more for guys than girls I think but I think it's probably destructive to both sexes but more destructive to women immediately and more destructive to guys like the fallout the repercussions right like maybe not in that exact moment but in the weeks or days to come I was gonna wait to introduce this concept but I think because you're lucky number three like I just want to I want to brainstorm it live with people so I want to do a theory called the three theory and it's basically involving all threes and you have to when you're going through a breakup wait 30 days to speak talk to them even look at their Instagram profile like that is considered a fault in this program it would be like you have to wait 30 days to make sure that like you don't actually entangle yourself with them again then I think there's a part of it when you are ready to start dating where you do the three date rule where or the three days rule story between dates.

29:54Like I think when you meet somebody, like the way I felt when I met you, it's like, you could have swept me off my feet so quickly. And to your point about slowing down, I think one of the things that was so amazing is like we waited in between dates and it was able to like mature and actually come to a place where I had time to like think about how I actually felt after the date. So you need to wait at least three days before you see that person again. And this is something that girls, whenever the same guy, same guy, different guy, I think, I think same guy. I don't think there's anything wrong with like going on a few dates with different people in the week.

30:28But I think this is what happens with girls. You go on an amazing first date. It's a Wednesday night because no one wants to give out their Friday or Saturday like for a first date. It's amazing. The next day he's like, I want to see you again. What are you doing this weekend? Like you cannot see him on Friday night. You have to let it mature and actually just let things pace out. So that's the three day rule. Okay. I'd like to throw it through. I think I can mostly get with three. I know you like threes more than twos, but okay, I'll stick with threes. I think the three day rule is pretty good, but I actually think it should apply to like, you can go on multiple dates in a week, but I do think you should give it some days in between because if you just line up five dates in five days, it's better than just like a Raya or whatever dating app, swipe right, swipe left, but it's some form of swipe right and swipe left.

31:16You don't even have time to like be like, oh, that Tuesday one, what'd I think of it? then you're on to the Wednesday one and then it's just like all mesh together. Yeah. I think you should, I think you should try to give it a little space between the dates too to let it marinate. Okay. Let's go continue on with the threes. Three hour rule. I don't think girls, and maybe this is something that's specific on the situation, but I don't think that it's a vibe when somebody texts you and you wait like until the next day or that night to respond back. I think the three hour rule is that like you have to respond in three hours if you've seen your phone because it shows the other person.

31:49Where were you when we first met on this rule? You were more like the three days, more like the 30 hours. No, no, no, no, but I'm saying no. I was like that until we met. The minute that we met, it was a very instinctual attraction. We've talked about that, where I was like, I am pursuing you. I'm responding. I never had to doubt it because of the way you acted on our dates of booking the next ones. And then the last one is the three-week rule. And it's crazy looking back to my former relationships of how quickly things moved. And like even our friend that's going through a breakup, like they move so quickly.

32:22And I think the three week rule is like, don't do multiple big steps within a period of three weeks. So as an example, you go on your first date, whatever, it's amazing. Don't meet each other's friends for three weeks after. See each other, do whatever, but like wait at least that three week mark. From that then point, you have to wait three weeks to like meet each other's parents if that's how quickly you want to be moving or to go to their office and visit them. like the big steps. And that was, I see a TikTok coming where you actually lay out what the big steps are. Cause I'm not sure you go for me and the friends and me and the parents in three weeks, but yes, you should, the parents is probably further down.

32:57The friends are further up, but I agree for women. And I can speak from experience. Like there was somebody that I started seeing before you that like introduced me to his mom, let's call it like seven weeks in. And at the time looking back, not even seven weeks, like three weeks in, I was like, Oh my my God, I'm meeting his mom. He must be obsessed with me. And like, this is my husband. Like you again, you're making up these fantasies in your head. He must be obsessed with me. So he must be my husband. What about you? What about what you want? That's what I'm saying. So this was the catalyst to me actually finding my person.

33:31Long story short, I met his mother. It was like the most horrible experience of my life meeting his mom. Like, first of all, I open the, I knock on the door, she answers and I'm like, hi, I brought her a non-alcoholic bottle of wine. because I know she didn't drink. And she's like, hi, you're Maggie? I'm like, yeah. She's like, oh, he's just upstairs. Like, why don't you come and hang out with me on the couch? Weird. Like, you're not going to greet me at the door to meet your mom. Then we're sitting on the couch, and I literally am talking to her for like 45 minutes until he decides to come downstairs with his pajamas on, put his feet on top of me, expect me to massage them in front of his mother.

34:05And it was in that moment where I was like... Certainly this guy must be like 23. Certainly this man is like 40. I think over 40. Actually, I think I know you're talking about it. anyways, anyways, so given him enough airtime, my point with the story is that because I was not falling in love with the fantasy, not falling in love with who he was on paper, I was looking at my situation and being like, this is not me. This does not make me happy. I'm not the best version of myself. I'm insecure. I'm feeling like I can't be confident. I'm feeling like I'm not actually being respected or treated well.

34:35Like I am done with this. And I literally ended it the next day. And I think that is when the universe finally was like, Maggie has learned her lesson. Like she has learned that it is more important, her happiness and her feeling comfortable in the best version of herself. I'm now going to give her the perfect person. And I think women that are listening to this, that are like, there's obviously you're not going to find everything that you want in somebody, but like it should, at least with, I was literally about to say with you, I feel like it's pretty damn close and I think it's like the especially as you get older it's a little bit like the Robin Williams speeds from Good Will Hunting like kind of the the like quirks or like the good stuff right like I love when I make you snort because it means you're like genuinely so happy has anyone heard her snort um but I also think it's like you know there's that fine line between like compromise because I am aware that the older you get and especially you have some measure of success or autonomy and you love your life, which I do, this is the only decision left that could make a good life even better.

35:37And it's probably the only big decision left that if I get it wrong, makes life a little more complicated. You're not going to get it wrong. Okay. Thank you for leaving. Okay. We can wrap that. But it's like, it's like, okay, so you have to compromise and be aware of those things. But by the same token, like, I think in different ways, we both do lots of little quirky things and I'm just not really willing to change them for anyone at this point. It's kind of like I'll walk around the house wearing goofy things or some of my biohacking things are just funny little things that I don't think they should be deal breakers, but someone should just go, Oh, okay.

36:05That's him or that's her. Yeah. Um, we definitely can't wrap yet because there's something that's like really important to talk about that. I don't see many podcasts touching on. And it kind of hit me when I was at a conference last year and I had just called off my engagement and I was open about it on tech talk. And this male CEO comes up to me. He had just raised$18 million, I think actually from tiger. And he comes up to me and he's like, Oh, I've been wanting to meet you because I actually use his platform. And he was like, I know we could talk about a million things. We're supposed to be doing an influencer deal with you, but I really like would love to talk to you outside.

36:36And so we sit down outside, outside of this conference. And he's like, listen, like I just raised$18 million. I'm the CEO founder. My girlfriend of eight years just broke up with me. And like, I honestly don't know how to like keep going. And I don't know how to motivate people. And I'm just feeling like I actually, like I can't continue on right now. And I'm just wondering like what you did to be able to do that with so much pressure. And that I think from, I want to hear from your perspective, but also now being a manager, somebody goes through a divorce or a breakup, like as the, the CEO founder manager, what is the best way that employees should be discussing that should be dealing with it?

37:14Because you, you have to be able to talk to your boss about it. How should somebody go about that? That's going through a break at first i'm really curious to know have you tracked this company still because i was going to make yeah by the way he was just wait wait i was going to make a joke about them giving money from tiger and stuff because you know when tiger actually used to invest but just the fact i thought the story was going to go he like hit on you or something the fact that he pulled you aside and talked about that is impressive especially when you know as founders you all tend to put on the good face or talk about the good metrics and not the bad ones so if i had to bet uh without knowing anything else like she'll make a really high eq i would think he has a much better shot to succeed than most.

37:50To answer your question, I think the days of like these like megalomaniac CEOs like Travis from Uber, I know you Travis, but is like, it's just, it's Travis had a lot of really great qualities and he's super confident, but the days of like feeling like you have no blind spots and you can do it on your own and just follow me blindly, that's not how it works anymore. So actually showing you're a leader, male or female, who has feelings, who has emotions, who's says, I'm not good at this, or I'm actually struggling with this. It just, it humanizes you and nobody's good at everything. So I think it's really important.

38:25Like there is oversharing at work. There is like too much crying at work, but there's, there's not too much like good communication or just be like, honestly, I'm a little off this week and I'm dealing with it. I promise I'm going to get better. But like right now it's just really hard. And I just wanted to tell you that, you know, we, we don't really do anymore, but we tried some of the touchy feely stuff. Like you start with a meeting and you go, I'm a red, yellow green light it's a little hokey but it is interesting to know that i'm trying to convince you to do sign and we start the meeting this is only for internal meetings and you're already an orange based on things going on or maybe even a red so i'm like i love that today is not the day to try to convince her of this you know and so just like little check-ins and being honest and i think it's great for you know culture and camaraderie without i'm a i'm a little old school i'm a believer like i'm not trying to be best friends with any of my employees luckily I enjoy all of them and I can do the airport beer test with them but you know we're working together and building something first and foremost but I think it's really important that they have they feel supported they have psychological and emotional safety they feel like they can be honest I mean parents not quite the right analogy but it has to be a little bit like a parent I want to be a parent where even if it's a hard thing even if you're sharing something tough I want your child to be able to come to you and I want that with my employees so do you think it's a good strategy like let's role play a little bit here I work at your office and I'm going through the worst breakup of my life I literally can knock it out of bed and I work remotely like I what am I doing to help myself be able to get over it while like being coming to you and telling you what's going on it all depends on your company structure but I'm a big believer in like just there are so many problems that they get brought to like any any company leader even division leader manager every day.

40:05We just don't need people bringing problems with no solutions. So like coming to me, like I'm a mess. This is never going to be whatever. It's just like, it's all going out the window. Of course I would still want to listen and do what I couldn't support, but it's much better if you can do it to be like, it's going to probably be a really tough week for me. I am sorry if I'm off. Can I put this off for a week? I, I, my, my plan is to do this for myself and take the weekend and I'm pretty sure I'll be back next week. Like try to come up with something that like shows that you care enough about the company, your company and your purpose within the company and your role within the company that you're not just like throwing all your responsibilities out the window while still taking care of yourself.

40:46So I kind of want to hear some balance if I, if I can, but I think just being honest, I have two actionable things that I'd love to hear your thoughts on. If I came to you as an employee and was like, I'm going through a breakup, blah, blah, blah. I think if you work remotely, especially like that is a really dangerous position to be because you're alone and you're in your thoughts and you can go and lie in your bed. And like, there's just so much distraction. So like for me, and it's harder to like volunteer it. If like, you know, you have a remote company and like, I've never actually met you in person.

41:12Then I'm like, why is the person's eyes glassy? Why are they not on camera? And you just tell yourself stories that they're out, you know, skateboarding on the call, but really their eyes are bloodshot. So I think it's like, once you go through it the next day or that night, you like talk to your manager and like, this is what I'm going through. And I actually think a best step would be getting a co-working space if your office is remote for the next month because being around people where you have to get change if you're a woman you're putting on makeup you're doing your hair you're like around people that are motivated and that are like encouraging you to keep going I actually think getting a co-working space is amazing for a month or so I think it's like the Tony Robbins you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with and so you know surround yourself with people that uplift you inspire you all that stuff but I think you know and I've been on both besides this, when you're experiencing like a traumatic event, not just a relationship, but a death, grief, something, my tendency is to go, I can fix it.

42:05I don't need anyone. I'm fine. And you just contract and shrink into your shell. And the hardest thing to do is to like actually share it with more people, which is why I think people have gravitated toward you because you've done that. But you really have to force yourself to expand your social circle. In this case, social circle could mean your work circle, or it could mean just literally being in the presence of other people at a co-working space. So I do think that's really important. I also think another thing that I did when I went through a breakup was I started to take on different responsibilities.

42:32So I went to my manager and I was like, hey, I'm going through something. I'm actually going to have a little bit more time because relationships do take time. I've been really interested in this part of the business. Would I be able to sit in on the meeting every single Thursday? Because I'm really interested in learning about that. Or are you laughing at me? I'm laughing because I was just imagining you being my employee, which would just be such a handful. with your emotions but but you just did exactly what I said you you gave the problem but you actually gave me a way that why I wanted to help you because I care about you as an employee but you even said I actually want to do more I actually want to come to this meeting that very rarely happens like I very rarely see it happen that way like people don't want to take on more people don't want to have more pressure more responsibility so the fact that you did both of those I think is really good.

43:21Well, that's actually like, I think for me, when I went through calling off my engagement two years ago, it was a really weird time because like I said, like I had started growing a following and I think it was really hard for me and for my audience. And there's so many people that are day ones, like listening to this and I'm sure you can remember, and I haven't really ever talked about it, but there was a moment where it was like, I went from wearing this beautiful ring and like living in this specific background that people had been used to with like day in the lives or even like the background of me filming to like all of a sudden I was with my family for like a month and a half in Muskoka and then I moved to Calabasas and there was a lot of comments that I would see of people being like if you're struggling or if things are going on like we want to hear about it and I just like wasn't ready yet and I think it's not really a typical work environment where it's like you you can just be honest about what's going on it felt like a lot of pressure and it was really new for me to go through that but I can tell you like the relief I felt when I just made that I will never forget like making that video and like being honest about what I had been going through.

44:19HSR was like this calling and it brought me back to that girl that asked her boss to like take an extracurricular activity. You could call it at my role because it gave me a purpose and it gave me a why and it gave me something to like really throw myself into. And I think when somebody is going through a breakup, it's so easy to fixate on everything that you're not, everything that was wrong with you, everything that didn't work out, or just like analyze the relationship so much. And I think it's the time to be like, I'm going to just focus on myself and be really selfish. And that can be focusing on things at work, or that can be finding a hobby or starting your side hustle that you've wanted.

44:55I actually think it's retraining your brain around everything you're losing to everything you're gaining. And don't take this the wrong way. But I think women especially, they're like, I'm so sad to be single at my late 20s, early 30s. And I would always say, I'm so grateful I don't have to pick up to pick up after this person anymore. I'm so grateful. The kitchen's not a mess that I have to do. I'm so grateful that I don't have to drive this person here. So now I pick up after you and clean the kitchen. Okay. Kind of. You're like tidy, but we can talk about that offline. But, but I agree. I think one thing that people get, I only came around this last few years, you know, people are like, I want to be in balance, right?

45:34I want to like sleep eight hours, work eight hours, eight hours of life. You want to have this, but no, but I, I think I used to feel like that. And although I want to like draw this like over a long period of time I want to feel like I'm balanced the best things usually happen when for a period you're out of balance you want to get a promotion at work and move up you have to put in the time and grind maybe it's not sustainable for 20 years but it's sustainable for like a year or something maybe you're in a relationship that's really important you all of a sudden prioritize that if I want to train to go play football to play soccer in Portugal of course I can't keep doing what I'm doing the way I'm doing it I have to like you know be out of balance because I'm doing four hours a day of training for that.

46:14And so I was trying to get better at tennis now. And I actually have some tendonitis in my elbow, as I said, because I was playing more and I was getting better. But that's how you have to do it to make these jumps. You have to be out of balance only to come back in balance. So I think throw yourself into work, throw yourself into healing, and then come back into a certain well-roundedness that will probably serve you. Do you, having been somebody that's gone through both breakups and loss and grief, Do you feel like there are specific things that are consistent around those experiences? You know, your life is defined by what you're willing to suffer for, you know?

46:50Because even when it looks like someone has this great life and these filtered pictures, as you know, I don't look much at social media, but it's like you feel like people have all these things or something. How does this person have it all? I mean, nobody does. We all have our insecurities. We all have our hardships. They're not all equal. But I think, you know, suffering is part of the human condition. like you can go down like the Buddhist tenants and whatever else like I have come to believe as hard as it is and as much as it hurts like if I tried to eliminate suffering for my life you'd probably eliminate all the things that cause suffering like really loving someone or really experience it and so like you have to have felt that to feel the suffering of the loss and it's hard I don't know that I ever want to be like just casual about it but I think yeah what are you willing to suffer for like better to have loved and then suffer than you know never have loved at all I think that was the scariest thing for me when I first started dating you is like I had really never put myself in a situation where somebody could hurt me like I always had leverage over people or like you stack yourself up against somebody and you're like I'm all these things and like they're lucky to have me and I think you're the first person that I honestly dated where I was like, you're so good enough for me that you could really hurt me.

48:05And like, it was the first time in my life truly. And I was 31 when we met where it was like, I risked, I thought everything like to be able to love somebody like you in, and I was like, I didn't have an answer or a ball, even though I would see psychics and be like, is he my husband? But like, I didn't know at that point, you know? And I just was like, it would be better for me to try this and try something different and like be vulnerable and be afraid. And I was really afraid, but I also felt this like trust that everything was going to work out because I had lost things before. And whether it's friendships or even one of my closest friends passing away or people in my family, it's like, it really does make you who you are.

48:47And I think we've talked about this, but like without stories, without things that you've gone through, like you don't actually have anything to offer in terms of perspective or like the growth that people go through. So I think for me, dating you was the first time that it was honestly like the scariest thing of my life, but it's also been the most rewarding. And I think for anybody that's listening that feels like your heart is broken and you don't know how you're ever going to put yourself in that situation again, when you get through and you go through what you're feeling right now, and you end up feeling whole with yourself first, that feels amazing.

49:22And that feels like you never thought you would get there. And then once you're there, life in the universe just keeps rewarding you where you like have this person that like gives you so much that you're like, thank God I put myself in the situation to get hurt because it works out. Because you do have to really be brave. You have to be brave. And I commend you because I think you were brave and courageous. I think you were more brave and more courageous in the beginning than I was. And you kind of, by taking those chances, kind of pulled me along until we were both on the same place. So I'm glad you did, but you were brave.

49:52Courtney Ream, I love you so much. Thanks for coming on. I love you too, my little fish. Should we tell people why that, wait, this is actually a last wrap up good story about why you call me a fish. Uh, have we, has Dr. C made it on the podcast yet? No. I don't know if I should tell the story. I think you should tell the story. Okay. So Mr. Courtney Ream calls me a fish because basically throughout therapy when we first started seeing each other I was really intimidated that all of Courtney's ex-girlfriends happened to be these like beautiful models and I started comparing myself to them and being like I'm not this model and I think I could have gone one of two ways and been really like self-deprecating and my therapist looked at me and he was like Maggie like you're so much more than a show pony like you're so much more than what you look like you have all of these other qualities that make you so incredibly hard to find.

50:47And there's show ponies and thoroughbreds and there's like even people sometimes say unicorns, but unicorns are not real things. And he's like, do you know what a ciliacanth is? And a ciliacanth is like an eighth finned fish that everybody thought was extinct. And they ended up catching one and finding it, I think, off the coast of South Africa and then actually one in the coast of Canada. And he goes, ciliacanths are extremely fucking rare, but they're real. And they're just really hard to find. And I remember we were in Paris and you asked me like, you asked me to rate myself on the hot smart rich scale.

51:20And I basically like gave you this roundabout answer of like being an all rounded person and having whatever and maybe not being like a 10 on hot or whatever like you were used to. You're quite hot. Thank you. And ever since then, you've started calling me your little fish, Celia Camp. You are Celia Camp. Well, I love you. Thank you for coming on. And thank you, Dr. C for coining that. I hope anybody that's listening to this, that is struggling, like we've all been there and it gets so much better. And I hope that you just pick up the phone and call somebody that you're feeling safe with and get vulnerable and tell somebody how you feel, because it definitely is worth it to just reach out and ask for help when you need it.

52:00Um, but yeah, thank you so much for coming and tuning in again. And if you haven't already, please rate, review, and subscribe. I'm so excited to have this new platform. Side note, I actually feel I'm a lot more confident with TikTok now. Like I can be more myself because I have this other platform. So I'm excited to keep investing into this. Hopefully we'll get a team in here because it's very hard doing it myself. But thank you, Mr. Chris. Listen, people, because the more you listen, the more she can get some help doing this. If you knew what she was doing, she's the producer, the player, coach, talent.

52:30It's hard. It's hard, but I have the best teammate in the world sitting across from me. And he's definitely gonna be coming on a lot more because we love him. I was going to say, it feels like this isn't my last time, but I love him. Okay. Okay. Love you guys. See you next week.

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