Roxie Nafousi on How To Manifest Confidence & Money, and Why Your Pyjamas Are Keeping You Broke

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30:20They might believe in the spiritual realm. So use whatever works for you, but I'll use the term universe. So I believe that when we are on our way to our goals, the universe will send us tests. And these tests are really there to ask us, how worthy do you really think you are of receiving this thing that you want? And tests can come in two forms. They can come in the form of challenges and obstacles, or they can come in the form of something that asks you to settle for less than you actually deserve and desire. When people learn to manifest, I say life is not suddenly going to be perfect. Like I'm not painting you this like false dream that you'll learn to manifest and then all the doors are going to open and life's going to be like plain sailing.

31:05Like of course it's not. Life is always going to come with these, you know, with grief and rejection and hardship and uncertainty. But it's how you persist through those times and how you grow through them that really determines where you end up. So when I think about challenges now, I have a completely different perspective on it. And I think that's why this step has always been my favorite. Because when I think about the times in the last few years where I've had, you know, I've had so much rejection. I had so many periods of times where I felt like, oh, my God, things are going backwards or I've had grief or whatever it is.

31:41What is different about when I experience that now to pre-manifesting is that now I'm never hopeless. Like I never reach that point. And I think, oh, it's proof it's not going to work. For me, I'm like, OK, so when we think about being positive, OK, and like people think about positivity as being happy all the time. Right. For me, that's toxic positivity. I don't think it's possible to be happy all the time. Positivity and optimism to me is knowing that even on the dark days, better days are coming. And so when I'm in this period of struggle, I know that there is reward on the other side every time, like without fail.

32:23And actually, I think everyone listening knows that too. You know that think back to any time you've had in your life that was just so heartbreaking, that was so, at the time, you just couldn't make sense of it. It was so challenging. And then think about the moment afterwards where you went at some point, it might have been a year after, it might have been months, it might have been five years where you went, thank God it happened that way because look at where I am now. And so we always know that there is this reward, there's this level up, there's this kind of incredible beauty to be found on the other side of challenge.

33:01and that's what this step is all about but i said also it's about not settling so the really the easiest example of this is like in the in dating so you know we say we want healthy love we want someone that's going to respect us that's going to be committed to us that's going to be consistent with us and then we're wasting time with these situationships that aren't going anywhere that is a test from the universe you know i think we've got to remember we only have like a finite amount of time and energy okay it's not infinite we don't have an infinite resource of them and so we have to use them wisely like who are you spending your time in where is your energy being spent and is it on things that you actually think are serving your best self and the best life that you can live or is it taking up space and when you recognize that something is taking up space where it doesn't really, it shouldn't be, I think we clear, we create this gap and this space for something better to come into our lives.

34:06The most viral episode I've done on someone else's podcast was when I talked about this man that I was dating before my husband. Yeah. And it was the most insane story that always goes viral because the last time I saw him, I was going over to meet his mom. And I thought it was like meeting the parents. That's where we're going on paper. this man was perfect. He was in the shower when I got there. So I met his mom at the door. They had already eaten dinner when they told me it was dinner. He had given his mom flowers for International Women's Day with a quote that I had actually sent him that morning of like, strong women raise strong men.

34:44And there was flowers to his mom on the counter with that exact quote signed with his name. He didn't send me anything for International Women's Day. And then when he finally came down the stairs, he legitimately sat on the couch, put his feet onto my lap in front of his mother, and asked me to massage his feet. Oh, God. And I was sitting there thinking, this can't really be happening to me. And so up until this point, I had only dated men that I would excuse that because on paper, these people are perfect. Right. They can match my ambition. they can give me the power couple dynamic I'm looking for and I was thinking to myself how quickly can I get out of this house and never see this person again because I am so much worth so much more than this and when I finally was the one that was like bye-bye I am better than this yeah I said yes to a date with my husband that next week or a week after yeah and I always use that as a stupid example as to like when you finally say no to what you are not deserving of, the right opportunity comes.

35:55Absolutely. The universe rewards you. I love that. Like I was like smiling the whole way because I'm like, it's such a perfect example of it. But you have to get to that point. And it's like if you had met your husband before you got to that point in yourself, would you have appreciated it would you have been able to hold it and be ready for it like you had to get to that point and when you do then the universe the universe is looking out for you like the universe god whatever it is it is looking out for you it wants the best for you you know sometimes we think like life is unfair like no life wants to be good to you you just got to let it so then we have step five is embrace gratitude okay so i call it the manifesting sweet spot, which is knowing what you want whilst being entirely grateful for all that you already have.

36:45So gratitude has a very high vibrational frequency. And, you know, there's a great quote which says a grateful heart is a magnet for miracles. And I think it just sums this up so perfectly. I would say that, look, if people did nothing else, but they brought a gratitude practice into their life, they would change their whole experience of life. This step is the secret to happiness. Because I have started doing this like disclaimer on manifestation, which is that manifesting your goals won't make you happy. Because we all know we've got to a goal and then we're happy for a minute and then we move on to the next goal.

37:23And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Goals are good for us. It gives us forward momentum. It gives us a reason to get up in the morning. It gives us purpose, drive. They're amazing. And it's good to have something to work towards. We don't want to be stagnant in life. We want to be moving forward. But that's not what makes us happy. What makes us happy, I believe, is being able to appreciate life's simple pleasures. It's being able to romanticize your life. You know, the morning coffee, the sound of the birds, the walk hand in hand with your partner or your child, the sound of laughter.

37:59The playing, you know, playing cards with my siblings is like my happiest moment. And it's putting together so many of these tiny ordinary moments of joy that you create a happy life. And when I developed my manifest app, having that gratitude capture was the most important thing for me because I want people to actively remember to capture these tiny moments of joy so that you actually change the way that you see the world. Now we are... Okay, then step six is turn envy into inspiration. So envy comes from a scarcity mindset that there's not enough to go around. And I think especially a lot of your audience will know this feeling when we are trying to build something for ourselves.

38:41There's so much at stake, okay? And so it's really easy to look at other people doing similar things and to feel that kind of pang of envy. What's really interesting about envy is we hold a lot of shame around it. The problem is when we don't admit that we feel envy, it comes out as judgment. Okay, so let's say someone really confident walks in the room and it's so easy to be like, oh, they're so up themselves, right? But actually, is that just envy in disguise? I think so. And so envy actually is something that we can use to show us what we desire or what still needs healing within us. Because we are only envious about things that we want, right?

39:19We're not envious. Like if someone told you they were like, I don't know, they just won a fishing competition. Like you're probably not going to feel envious, right? But if someone told you that they've just got a promotion at the same workplace as you, you're probably going to feel a pang. And so envy is actually something that we should not feel shame around. We should be aware of. We should use it to show us what we desire or what needs healing. And then we can go a step further and we can turn it into inspiration. And inspiration comes from an abundant mindset. it says you have something and I can have it too.

39:51There's enough for us all. And actually seeking to be inspired is a really powerful manifestation tool. How do you do that in practice though? Like I feel jealous. What is my next step? So notice the pang and firstly have compassion around it. Okay. It's okay that I feel this way. Maybe it's even a friend. That's when it's the worst. You think, oh my God, I'm a bad person. A friend's just told you something and I feel a pang of jealousy. Maybe they told you they're getting married and you're still single and you're thinking, when's it ever going to happen for me? Okay. I've got this thought now.

40:20How can I turn that to an inspired thought? Let's say it's the friend getting married. Okay. So instead of, I can't believe they're getting married and I'm still single, typical, I'm going to be the last one. We're going to change that into, it is so beautiful to see love exist in the world. I cannot wait until that happens for me. Okay. So it could be someone's on holiday and they're at a really fancy hotel and you're like, oh my God, they're always on holiday. You know, they don't even have a job you know instead you can pause and be like you know what that's really reminded me that i am so in need of adventure of travel and in fact this face looks so good i'm going to add it to my vision board so it's a really simple mindset shift okay so now we have figured out how to turn envy into inspiration yes what is the last step trust in the universe so this is about surrender and it's about letting go.

41:13And I think that, you know, when people think about manifesting, maybe they think it's about controlling everything, but it's really not. And actually the biggest mistake that people make on their manifesting journey is they become desperately obsessed with their goals. And this obsession really can easily turn into desperation. Now, desperation comes from fear and doubt. It comes, the very things that are blocking you from having what you want. And it comes because often we are emotionally attaching to an outcome. So we think when I'm in a relationship, then I'll be loved. When I'm successful, then I'll be enough.

41:51When I'm rich, then I'll be happy. and when we put this emotional expectation on an outcome we feel like we need it i need to get this job i need to make this much money i need this partner and when you need something and you become desperate for it you actually i believe really lower your vibration and you block it because you you you're trying to force something when you grip so tightly you don't allow things to flow and actually you become resistant to the very thing that you're trying to manifest. And so the most powerful thing you can do to kind of like glue all these steps together, and I always say it's like my gold dust on the manifesting process, is know what you want and then let it go.

42:35It's about going, for example, I think there's this thing I want to achieve. I'm so excited for when it happens, but I know that I'm already enough. I'm already successful. I'm already of value in the world. I love who I am now. When I get that thing, it's just going to be so cool. And I'm so excited for who I'm going to become on the journey of getting there. Is manifesting easier based on what you want? No, I think that manifesting is not a ritual. it's not something that is someone's good at or they're not good at it is a way of living okay so like these seven steps it's just how you approach your life you know you approach it with some clarity and where you're headed you approach it with a commitment to your own healing journey and self-awareness you approach it with a desire to show up in the best possible way with a resilience and a grit, you know, when you need it with an attitude of gratitude and a willingness to surrender to the journey.

43:46And that is it. It is just a mindset and a way of being. And when you do that, it really becomes effortless. I want to ask a lot about self-worth because I think a lot of women don't understand the difference between that and with confidence. So if you could break down what is self-worth and what is confidence and how they maybe relate, what would that be? So in my latest book, The Confidence, A's That's Knowing Your Worth, I use the word confidence because I think everybody knows that they want to feel more confident. But I think that when people think about confidence, they think about being an extrovert or they think about being the loudest person in the room or they think about being able to stand up for themselves.

44:29And yes, I think part of it is that. But actually, for me, true confidence is knowing that your worth was never up for discussion. So true confidence, actually, the foundation of it is self-worth. And self-worth is really the core of everything. It's the core of how you feel about yourself, how you show up in the world. But it's also at the core of manifestation, because we can only manifest what we subconsciously believe we are worthy of receiving. And so self-worth is about knowing that you are inherently enough as you are, that you are deserving of love and abundance and success. And I think that what is so important when we are in pursuit of greatness or change, if we don't believe we are worthy of it, even when we have it, we won't be able to hold onto it.

45:23So we might reach that goal and then we'll sabotage it. We'll fuck it up because on a deep level, we actually don't believe we're worthy of having it. I am an extremely confident person a lot of the time. And then some of the time I'm actually very not. So I'll be honest, like I'm extremely confident in real life. And no matter what situation you put me into, it could be with a group of 50, 50 year old men. and I will own that room in person. Online, I would say I'm actually a very fragile, delicate person where I have fear of posting. I have fear of being seen. I have fear of being misunderstood.

46:05Can you be a confident person and not have your self-worth up for discussion, but in different environments or different even formats feel insecure? Oh my gosh, of course. You know, I think that firstly, I think about it like this. OK, when we think about our own insecurities or our own like doubts that we're having, like the one that you've just described, I think we think that we're so alone in it. We always assume that the person we're sat opposite has no insecurities. Always. We never, ever think that they do, no matter who you're with. So like you think of everyone that's listening or watching this now.

46:44You know, if they go to work, you know, tomorrow morning and they're talking to their colleagues, they're not thinking, gosh, this person's really suffering inside. You're just thinking this person is really confident in themselves. They know their worth. They haven't got any doubts. And it's just me. But actually, insecurity is a universal experience. There is nobody that is completely free of it. And I think in some sense, it's a good thing because we always have something to work through to help us, to drive us to expand, to commit to healing, to, you know, to do all that work, which is so transformational and incredible.

47:21and I think that you will always find that people have confidence more in some areas of their lives than in others so for example if we think about when we think about I said that self-worth is really related to manifestation you'll find that if you're trying to manifest in your life you will be able to manifest some areas of your life very easily the biggest cliche but one that is so true is successful women who can manifest incredible abundance at work, but they cannot manifest love. Why is that? Well, actually, it's because to believe you are worthy of abundance, financial abundance, success is a very different belief to a belief that I am enough to be chosen when I am seen for everything that I really am.

48:08It's a lot harder to come to that belief for a lot of people because of their upbringing than it is to believe I'm good at my job. And so I think it's really recognizing that we all have areas that we feel more confident in than others, and that's okay. But how can you start to recognize where the gaps are, where the weaknesses are in your feelings of confidence, and how can you use tools and self-help to really strengthen those and and build yourself. We have a lot of women listening to this show that will feel so seen by what you just said. For a very long time, that was me. I was able to manifest and to build anything that I wanted in business.

48:50I was so fearless. I am so fearless. But up until I did serious inner self work before I met my now husband, I was not able to find someone who could match my ambition, who wouldn't want to dim my light. Manifesting true love was like something that was the blocker. And I remember thinking, I will be so miserable if I keep going down this path of building this empire and turning around at like 60, 70 years old and having no one to share that with. But I've never been able to, with a formula, communicate like how that inner work actually happened. So what would you say to the former version of me or the woman that is listening to this that resonates so much with that, that can do anything in her career and has not been able to translate that to finding love?

49:41Oh, firstly, I would say I see you. I am you. I'm very much single. And I get it. And I think that first, I would just say you're not broken. You know, I think we can really take it so personally when we struggle to find love. And this is why I've just written Manifest Love, which is coming out at the end of January, actually. When we struggle to find love, we really make it about us that we are fundamentally flawed. We're not. We just haven't been taught how to be loved or how to fully accept ourselves for who we are. because I think that as children, you know, even when we're very, very young, we are kind of told you need to mold yourself to be enough.

50:28You know, we're told don't be too, especially as women, don't be too loud, don't boast, don't want too much. You know what I mean? Like we're really told to play small early on. I don't know if it's the same in the US, but it certainly is in the UK. And then we've got, you know, everything that we see on TV and in the movies that is really just fucking up a whole view of what love should feel like. And so there's so much we've got to like contend with. But there is a journey back to yourself that you can absolutely go on. And it is the best journey you'll ever go on. And in writing my book, I cannot tell you the healing I did.

51:05When I started writing it, I truly felt I will never be loved. Like, I just won't. Like, I've never been chosen and no man is going to find me attractive. No man is going to want the fact that I have a kid or maybe they're not going to like the fact that, you know, I always used to make this joke that like self-development isn't sexy. Like they're going to look at my interview and be like, no, I don't think so. You know, but since going on my own journey of for me, it was just a lot of therapy as well. It was a lot of understanding where this came from, processing all the past experiences I have, which every woman can go through as well and do this themselves.

51:48You know, you end up at a place where I know now that love is out there for me. I just need to see who's good enough for me, not who I'm good enough for. And I think everybody can get to that place. what do you think it looks like in practice when you have low self-worth like you did when you started writing this book when a genuinely good man shows up and like you are just not ready for that opportunity oh gosh well I think kind of what we said at the beginning which is you sabotage it because you know if we have these kind of like flawed beliefs around love We kind of believe that love should feel hard.

52:31We kind of have this toxic view of love that it should be like intense chemistry, which we really confuse with intimacy and connection. They are not the same thing. We want love to be dramatic. We want to chase because we think if this person is not giving me everything, it must mean they're better than me. It must mean they have this incredible status or power or whatever it is. And so in that sense, by finally winning that person, it means I am something. You know, for me, like in the past, I was always as good as the men I dated. So if I could date someone that was successful, that had money, that was famous, that was whatever, then I was like, oh, maybe that means that I'm good enough.

53:17But actually now, being on the other side where I'm successful in my own right, I have my own financial independence. I feel confident in who I am as a person and what I can offer a relationship. I don't need to look for someone with those things to prove anything to me. So I'm looking for someone not from ego. I'm looking for someone that can genuinely give me what I need, which is consistency, intimacy, joy, passion, fun. And I think then when that person comes, I'm not going to push them away because I know that that is actually what I need and deserve. And I think that's kind of how the women can get there.

53:55And I actually think on the opposite side, like for my personal experience of because I had such high self-worth, even though my husband is extremely successful, all of those things we're talking about, I was like, you're lucky to date me. That's genuinely how I felt when we were dating. And so even I think that that's attracting maybe even the person that you are manifesting. Yes. But you don't feel lucky. Like I never felt lucky to be chosen. I was like, you are lucky to be with me. Yeah, I love that. I still feel like both of us feel that way because there wasn't this, well, I hope this is for me.

54:30And I think that was through a lot of my own past failures of relationships and, you know, broken engagement and feeling like I can't go through this again because I just I physically can't have that. That for me, I was like, I need to do this differently. And to your point, it was always seeking. It was never like attracting. Yes. So I actually really want to. That differentiation is really nice. I was just fascinated with this stat that, because this is not me, health and wellness is the top thing people manifest for ahead of money and then relationships. Knowing that health and wellness is the thing that people want to manifest and then there can be real things that are going on in your body.

55:10Yes. How do you relate those two together? Look, as I said before, I think there are things in life you cannot control. There are things in life that are unfair, that are deeply sad, that you cannot find a reason for. But there are things that you can. So it might not be that you can manifest the cure, but could you manifest the version of you that can live life with whatever condition you have in the best possible way? Yes, I believe you can. And I think that I said at the beginning, this isn't magic. and I'm not going to say that you're going to get everything you want. And especially I never talk about manifesting health because Joe Dispenza is the OG at that and he has seen some incredible results.

55:58I am not that person to say that and to make those promises. I think that mindset is going to have a positive impact on anybody's life. But can it be the cure for something? No, I wouldn't say I know the answer to that. I'm in my luteal phase. We all know that point in our cycle where our body is basically like, please do not make this any harder than it needs to be. But during that time, I still want to move my body. I want to go for a walk. I want to get outside, maybe stretch. But I am not forcing a high-intensity workout when my body is asking for something kinder and softer. And that is where Lululemon just gets it so right.

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59:08And it won't impact your future fertility. That's freedom to be. Use as directed. Which you shared a stage with. Yes. Incredible. Yes. So I want to talk a little bit about the business of manifestation. You are an expert at this. Millions of people have purchased your book. Like you have made a business on manifestation.

59:36how do you feel making money off of manifestation when i had discovered it i had been at rock bottom i had been an addict for 10 years i had thought i well i had manifested the first thing i wanted to manifest was love and i had listened to these affirmation meditations and i had kind of i was 27 and I just wanted to find love. And two weeks after I discovered manifestation, this man named Wade messaged me on a dating app. And we met and the day we met, I was like, oh my God, I've manifested you. And he was just passing through London for five days on his way back to Australia. But after five days, he was like, fuck it, there's something here.

1:00:22I'm not going to get on that flight home he moves in with me after five days and two months later um in the september so we met had our first date in june in uh september he was like i'm going to go back to australia get my visa and move back here let's really try this thing i was like fine we get back to he get lands in london and um the day he arrives back in london i find out i was pregnant and at this point um I'm still an addict. So I am suddenly having to give up drugs. I was smoking 25 cigarettes a day, alcohol, and I have no money. I have no job. I have no career. And Wade, God bless his soul, not a potter person.

1:01:09So I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was manifesting love, but I wasn't prepared for this. How am I going to bring up a child when I have nothing going for myself? I don't know how I'm going to afford a child. And Wade is an actor, so there is no, it's so unpredictable. Who knows when he'll get his next job? I need to turn my life around. I didn't know what I wanted to do straight away, but I was on my own healing journey and I was sharing it online. And I was talking, I went through a very, very deep prenatal depression and I was quite honest about it to what was like a 15 ,000, 20 ,000 audience on Instagram at the time.

1:01:53I was a kind of party girl in London. So I had this kind of small following. And a week before I found out I was pregnant, I had started something called Agni Aunt Sundays on my Instagram stories. And I don't really know why I had done it, but I wanted, I wasn't doing anything. I was just like going to parties and taking drugs all the time. I had nothing. So I was like, you know what, maybe like I could just give people advice. I loved giving people advice. I would say I was quite wise even though I was, you know, fucked all the time. Like there was something wise behind all that. So I like to like give people advice.

1:02:29Anyway, while I was pregnant, I had this thing that I had just started. So every Sunday I found that it was like getting out my head. And I think in this like giving people advice every Sunday, I realized that this is what I want to do. I want to help people. I want to use the things I have been through to help guide other people. And actually, I'm going to take people on this journey with me. And when Wolf was five months old, I hosted my first workshop. And it was to 150 people in this old church. And I'd invested 200 pounds, which felt so like such a gamble at the time for me. But people came and they seemed to enjoy it.

1:03:05And that was where it started. And so it didn't begin as something that felt like it was a business. It was something just to get me by. And at that point, I didn't have these great grand ambitions. I was just like, I've been going through this thing. I have this audience who seemed to be responsive to me talking about it. And let me just do this workshop. And I was, by the way, very inspired by people like Brené Brown. I'd watched her call to Courage on Netflix. And I remember thinking like she was funny and she was really engaging. And it was it really helped me. And I thought, I want to be able to do that.

1:03:39I want to be able to go on stage and I want to, you know, maybe be able to say something that might change the direction of someone's life that might be able to help them in a time that they need in the way these people are helping me. And so that's how it began. And so it didn't begin. It wasn't by the way. And nobody was talking about manifestation. then. When I said to my audience, does anyone know what manifestation is? Nobody knew. And if they did, they knew only about the law of attraction because they'd read The Secret maybe, you know, decades ago. But it wasn't this trend. It wasn't this big thing.

1:04:10So I didn't know that it could grow to the extent that it did. I think that when people make money in self-development in general, I do understand why people feel funny about it. But I think everybody in the world is trying to make a living for themselves. And I think if you can do it whilst also doing something that is purpose driven, that you feel is really helping people, that is serving people, and it's not taking advantage of people's vulnerabilities, it's not creating false promise. I think it's just like any other business. Yeah, I agree. Like I was, it's so funny to me that people don't realize that we live in a capitalist world.

1:04:55And I always say this as a disclaimer. I'm like, I am a conscious capitalist, but don't follow me if like, you don't want to learn how to make money, talk about money, being confident, talking about money, because it does make me confused. And that's why this show talks so much about relationships with money and attachment to money and how I think about it, because I've never been shameful of saying I want a lot of money. I enjoy money, not for maybe the reasons that people think, but I think money to me is freedom. Money is a tool. Money is the ability to do whatever I want. Money is the ability to walk out of any room that I am no longer respected in.

1:05:32And I think as women, it does surprise me that we even feel this level of shame or guilt off of wanting to build a living to make money to have all of the things I just talked about. How comfortable are you talking about money? Yeah, it's hard. Do you know what it is hard talking about money? I think because I think the reason is because there is such disparity in the world of what people have. And I think that it's such a sensitive topic and I understand why it is so sensitive. And I think that the truth is I grew up with privilege. You know, I went to a private school and while my dad, you know, didn't like we didn't have like spending money, we always had a roof over our head.

1:06:19We never had to worry about bills. So I come from privilege and I really understand that. And it's a really hard one. And it's why, although I believe that money is a very strong energy and I have, you know, I really believe in like the being able to manifest an abundance of money as well. I find it really, I'm really terrified of talking about it because of, you know, upsetting anyone or offending anyone in a way that I wouldn't ever intend to. I think also what I've noticed about being in the UK is that is a very, very strong belief of most people in the UK, whereas the US not being an American, moving there, understanding the American dream that like you can literally build that and it's like celebrated.

1:07:09Whereas in the UK. So different. So different. Yes. There's a lot of women that are listening to this. And this is why I love working, honestly, with our partner, Stan, because we are so aligned in our missions of like, even women like you and I, who there were gatekeepers, there were ways that we wouldn't have been able to manifest or build the lives that we want. And it is about, especially with the creator economy now, the ability to like, be able to provide for yourself and be able to build the life that you want. And I think that's why Stan and I work so well together, because we have that.

1:07:41What would you tell a woman listening to this about how to start making money off of something that she is genuinely passionate about that can help people, that can do everything that you've done? Like, what is the first step to getting the first check for themselves and to what they want to let go of maybe the golden handcuffs or where they currently are in their career? By the way, I think financial independence for women is just so key and incredible. I understand it's not as easy as me just saying, guys, it's so good and try and go for it. But if there is something that you are passionate about and that you love and it fills you with a sense of purpose, you absolutely can make a career from it.

1:08:20For me, I would say my best advice is like find multiple revenue streams. so I think that people can get fixated on like one idea of how they're going to make money and they stick with that but actually I think what worked for me early on is I tried loads of different things and I still now have many many revenue streams so I have something that I like to talk about I have my niche I for me it's about empowerment it's self-development okay what are all the different ways I can help people with that message books is one of them webinars is another everybody can has something to teach you know and there are willing people who want to learn then I have you know the app then I have uh had podcasts then I had a brand collaborations then there's there are so many different ways that you can send the same message and so think about what your message is what is that the core of it what are you trying to do and share with the world and think of all the ways, all the modalities that you can get that across.

1:09:22Some will work and you can double down on them. Some will not. Forget it. Move on. Don't hang around. I feel like you can learn very early on what people like, but also be flexible. You know, I would say that, for example, my live shows were so we would I mean, we never did a paid ad and we would sell out to 2 ,000 people in no time, which now in reflection, I'm like, I actually don't know how I did that because actually selling 2 ,000 tickets is really hard. Really hard. But I didn't know. I remember meeting Vishen, who was the founder of Mindvalley, and he was like, you didn't do any ads. And I was like, no, no, I just put on my Instagram stories.

1:10:04And this was just after the pandemic. So people were really keen to do, to come back in person, to experience that. now I find actually selling live show tickets is harder selling webinar tickets is easier and so there's that shift I'm like okay actually do you know what I'm gonna do more webinars because clearly people are more interested in joining online it's more flexible for them because they can watch a recording and I can reach people more globally and so you've got to like find out like really things do change and I think that I had to go through a level of like I'm adjusting what I do what I don't do.

1:10:39So yeah, find what you love, find loads of different revenue streams for it, and be flexible and adaptable to what's working and what isn't. It's so funny. This is why I love this show, because a lot of these women are known as an expert in acts. But then when I hear this part of the conversation, like you're such a business woman, you're such a CEO, the way that you think about what you're doing is in such a traditional CEO business way. How comfortable are you when you talk about manifestation, confidence, women and women empowerment versus when you talk about the business. You know, it's so funny, like at home, I love talking about business.

1:11:14You know, I really love it. I feel like it's just like in me, like I love ideas, marketing. I don't have any agents. I don't have any PRs. We do everything in house. It's me and three girls. We are a tiny, efficient team. We're really good at what we do. And I love building relationships with brands. I think that's why they like working with us, because we're so personal. I do really love the growth side of it. You know, when I think about like generating wealth or financial abundance, what I think is part of the reason I've been successful at that part of my life is because I come to it with a really abundant mindset.

1:12:03And by that, I mean that I try to be as generous as I can with my resources. And I think that people really forget the importance of generosity. when I for example I told you there's three people on my team what was really important to me and what I really advise anybody to do and actually I got the idea from Simon Squibb who is so incredible do you know him yeah he actually advised me to do it and I did and I give everyone on my team phantom equity so they get a profit share after you can set how many years after they get it so it rewards the loyalty but it also means that they are getting a benefit from what you are creating together.

1:12:42I think this is so important. I would hate to have this a team who are so amazing and they are so amazing. Like everyone we work with is like your team is amazing. I'm like, I know, like they're so good. And they, I couldn't do it without them. And I had to really learn by the way, how to manage people. I was a real micromanager. It took me a real learning. Like I'd never been a boss before. It was really important to me that these people that are with me every day in day out they feel so rewarded and they know how valuable they are and I think it's made for a stronger team and I think that also like being generous with the people that you work with with whatever kind of philanthropy you want to be doing I truly believe that it will come back to you tenfold the more that you give to the people in your life and the people around you you know even being generous with your contacts like I don't gatekeep fucking anything.

1:13:34Every single friend of mine that comes to me with a book idea, I am there helping them build every step of the way. Be generous. I think that is where you have an abundant mindset. Be generous with your resources, with your time, with your contacts, with the right people. But do be generous because I think that there is an abundance of everything in the world. And I don't think it's an enjoyable, personally, I don't think it's an enjoyable pursuit to just want it all for ourselves like for what like this is supposed to be shared and it's supposed to be enjoyed and I think that like you know I just I always even like to think like if I'm spending money in a restaurant I'm like this is an exchange I always think you know sometimes it's like part of that like scarcity mindset comes from like when you spend money even if you have money when you spend it you can be like oh my god I can't believe I spend that money on this right and I get it it's like it makes you feel that you're like oh god it costs this much Let's say you went for a meal.

1:14:32Okay, if I go for a meal and it was like a bit more than I expected, you know, it's really easy for that to be like, oh God, I've just spent this much money. And that can make you feel a bit anxious. But then you can think, do you know what? Imagine how much it costs for the rent on this place. And imagine how it costs for all the produce. And imagine how much it costs for all the staff and actually all the expenses that go with this. And actually, it's the least I can do is pay for this great meal that I had. And that changes my mindset on how I spend money. And then I think I don't feel like I'm not particularly attached to money.

1:15:03And I feel like I have a really healthy relationship with it. I'm not a crazy spender myself. I'm quite conservative in the way that I live. But I like to have a nice life and I like to enjoy it with the people I love. I love it. Okay, let's talk about your consumption because we're going to do some rapid fire. Okay, great. Okay, Roxy Nathusi, what is the last thing you put on your credit card? The last thing I bought was actually these shoes from Jude. Oh my God, I've seen this brand everywhere. Okay, and is this the last most expensive thing that you bought? Yes. You can only pick one for the rest of your life.

1:15:41Shopping or lymphatic drainage? Lymphatic drainage. I'm really not that bothered about shopping. Okay. Yeah? I hope I say this right because it's a UK brand. Yeah. aloe or adenola oh you can't do that to me i'm actually i have a manifest um seven day program on the aloe wellness app and i love the team there but i love the founder of adenola hyrum he is such a cool guy i think what he has done is phenomenal i think aloe is amazing i think adenola is amazing i can't choose okay uh you can only pick one for the rest of your life Eye patches or lip gloss? Eye patches. I hate lip gloss. Eye patches or lip liner?

1:16:25Fat lip liner. What color are you wearing? Oh my God, I just got this Makeup Forever one. It's called like Artless Caffeine or something. Yeah. It's so good. Love it. Okay, you can only pick one for the rest of your life. French tip or color? French tip. Love it. And on the toes. A French pedi I'm really into these days. I love it. So we do HSR love notes. It's kind of like an affirmation. Retrain your brain. You can only say one to yourself for the rest of your life. What is it? I am enough exactly as I am. Love that. And if you had to title the season of your life, what would it be called? I'm going to call it the summer of love.

1:17:08Love that. Yeah. Roxy Nathusi, where can people find you and how can HSR help you? um you can find me on instagram that's it how can ages are help you how can they help me um you know what by helping yourselves go out read the books listen to the audio books um i promise you they will change your life and if i can be a small part of your journey then you will have made this all worthwhile thank you so much for coming on thank you

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