Your Wall Street & Silicon Valley Big Sisters Tell All: MBAs, Money, Power & Startup Lore (With The Tiger Sisters)

35:32Cause I struggle with that. I love that question. And I think actually in the past year, my thinking has evolved a lot on that. And I guess what I've realized this year is that like the business everything is me and same for you sure everything is you same for you man everything is you so like anything you do to invest in yourself whether it's like traveling whether it's you know buying tickets to go to the ballet and like investing in you opening your your like aperture and learning more things and being more aware and being more part of the world that's all an investment yeah it and it really it took me a long time to get here um I mean even investing in how you feel day to day yeah like that's so important no like my mental health is so up and down like I even this morning like when my autoimmune disease started flaring up I like could instantly tell my anxiety was like taking over and for me a non-negotiable is therapy and like that is the best investment in myself in my relationship with my partner because if I don't have an outlet, like our relationship isn't good because I'm the worst version of myself.

36:47So I think like the theme I hear and like from our conversation and a lot of conversations I have behind closed doors is like taking care of yourself and figuring out what that looks like for you. Because for you, it could be a blowout. For me, it could be keratin. For you, it could be matcha. Like you don't know what it is because it's so different. How do you feel like you best identify that? Like when you're in that corporate grind, you're that girly that's like getting up at 6 a.m., trying to fit in a workout, going to your job, trying to make friends, like going and meeting a boy, it's impossible.

37:17Like for that corporate girl that's listening, like how can they do that successfully? I feel like so much of it is like self-reflection and feeling like what really gives you energy and making sure that you protect that energy and kind of drawing a wall around it. I did this when I was 24 and it was really important for me to kind of take take stock of like what are the specific things that I need to do that are just for me and this was actually happened after a breakup and I was like I need to figure out how to like get back on was this when you went to Hawaii by yourself this was when I went I did my first solo trip and going to Hawaii by myself for like four days was part of that yeah because I'd never gone a solo trip before I actually wanted to go to Paris and Jean was like how about for your first solo trip you go somewhere that's in the U.S.

38:05and where you can actually speak the language fluently I was like okay fair point but I think also part of that too was like figuring out I was like how do I make me feel like me again and that could be like okay I need to do like spa day my nails like self-care part of that is therapy like what are the things that I love to do that I don't have to feel guilty for and I really like how you mentioned the ballet like I know that's like completely random and like the ballet but I think that's like a an insight into like opening up your aperture and getting more learning and more life experience in whatever way you want to define it.

38:40It could be doing like a solo trip. It could be going to the ballet, but it's like kind of like an cultural outlet. And like kind of like how Jean was saying, like investing in education is like never a bad thing. I think investing in experiences is never a bad thing because going to a museum could change how you think about something. A piece of artwork could inspire you. That inspires the creativity for the next episode of Hot, Smart, Rich. Like all these things are interconnected and that's just like an investment in yourself. And then it ends up being an investment in your business. It's so funny that you say that because my sister knows like when I'm really, I have like serious mental health problems when I'm really dark.

39:15It's when I've been alone in a room, when I used to have my apartment, when I like, we didn't have a house together, like I would be alone for like three or four days and I would be so anxious and so sad. And my sister was like, you need to go work at a coffee shop. You need to go work at the Mayborn hotel in the lobby, romanticize a$12 matcha. And at the time you're thinking like, wait, I'm hearing that like$12 matchas are making me poor. But like, if you think about it in that way, like you're actually buying an invitation to sit along people who inspire you, even if you see a business meeting or you see a lovely outfit being put together.

39:46And that was a way that I crawled out of really dark holes when I was like going through my crazy breakup. I like was so lost and I was just like, I need to be in environments that really stimulate me. And even if it means like going to the ballet or going on a trip or doing that, that's where I find like, I've never regretted that money. And then having that abundance mindset where you're like, I'm going to make it back. It doesn't mean you're going to Paris and then buying the 10 bags, but like you're going and you're having that experience. But I feel like people are so afraid to do that because they're like, I don't want to make that leap.

40:17But that, I always feel like is the number one thing you have to do. Yeah. I mean, it's always just five bags. Come on. Yeah. Just five. The VAT tax. And the exchange rate. If somebody is listening to this and is thinking like, I want to go work at a startup, what do you guys think the best startups are that they should be working at? I mean, I think there's a lot of ways you can answer that question. It really depends on the person you are. So for me personally, I am such a product-driven person. And like the reason, so the funny thing is, so before we started Tiger Sisters together, I was working at Snapchat and I actually was there for about six and a half years.

40:55And don't be humble. Tell us what you did at Snapchat. I was the head of product for augmented reality shopping and AR ads. So I built up the whole AR ad platform and grew it to a$300 million a year business, which was crazy. It was an insane time, but really fun, learned a lot, crazy. But so when I applied for that job out of HBS, it was actually the only job that I applied for. and they never even told me that I got the role until after I graduated. And the funny thing is I was with my ex at the time, my ex fiance, who he had also applied for jobs in LA. And he was like, because we were going to move to LA together.

41:42He was at HBS with me. And I was like, yeah, I'm going to get this job at Snapchat and I'm moving to LA. So like, feel free to come with me. and so he I can see the demise I'm kidding so he had applied for a consulting job which they apply for and get like really early on the year like in like October November and so he had got the job and he had taken it and then literally it was like eight months of me not even having the job at snap and he kept sending me roles and was like hey do you want to maybe like apply for this other job because like you still haven't heard back from snapchat but I was just like no this is the perfect role for me like I know I'm perfect for this job because it's all the things I want to do it's like this element of creativity it's this element of business it's like the perfect combination and I was like I'm the perfect person for the job and it's the perfect role for me I'm gonna get it and I don't know why I had this sort of like insane like delusional conviction but I was just like I know this is right for me and I never even applied for another job and I ended up getting it the week after graduation or they like finally let me know that I had it the week after graduation.

42:47But I think to go back to answer your question, for me, it's all about the product. I loved using Snapchat. I was like, there's something really amazing about this product. There's something magical. I need to be there. Like, I want to be the person inventing all these things. I love that. So I think it's like identifying what you love and then going out. So if you're a brand person, it's like find the company with the brand that's like just killing it right now that you can do fun things with like I think it I actually would have a lot of fun at a company like Oura Ring because it's such an amazing brand it's a very simple technology but like I think they could be doing a lot more in terms of like partnership and go-to market and like I'm not a product person but I could imagine the ways that like that could evolve from a very simple tool so for me I would be like Oura Ring would probably be my ideal company to work at right now exactly like whatever gets you excited where you can be like oh if I was the CMO of that company I would do ABCDFG and it's like comes to you naturally okay I love that and you're using the product every single day so you're like I know what I like I know what I don't like and this is what I would change I would say like on a related note if I were thinking about startups especially if it's like a smaller startup there's only so many people there so looking at who the people are and if they have like any interviews online or like any like press releases or whatever like really understanding like who are the founders and like the people who are making the decisions at the company because like if you're working at a small startup and it's like less than 30 people less than 50 people like your day-to-day will be so influenced by the leadership team and like do you even I mean they're probably smart and like hustlers but like do you like them as people do you respect them because their decisions will impact your work and then also in turn impact your mental health yeah for someone that holds 50 patents and AI.

44:33Obviously we're hearing about AI and it's like a concern for a lot of people that don't have an engineering background. Are there companies in the AI space that you think are really good to learn from for all of these women listening that are like, I want to work at an AI company. Or do you think that this is all just like hype and that like it's going to die down? I think actually it's the opposite of what a lot of people think. I actually think what's really valuable in AI today is having a creative mindset. It's like coming in and like, because a lot of what is being built in today in AI is already so commodified, right?

45:06It's just like building the next level of the same sort of like model, right? So like sort of continuing on that curve of improving the model, but what's different is going to be how you're going to apply it. So like if you come in and you have sort of like a creative mindset, a different way of going about things like having a sort of almost like a liberal arts background I think is actually the the killer resume now yeah thank god yeah I mean we don't need another back-end engineer yeah I hate to say it wow I mean we always need another one love you guys but yeah no I see like the creative aspect is what makes things more unique and special.

45:52And like having a liberal arts degree, kind of like expanding your worldview with like how do you connect like that creative like inspiration that you saw at that museum with the AI. Like that is a lot harder to replicate. Yeah, I think that's why we're also such big proponents of the arts, like going to the museum, like going to the dance shows, like seeing all that stuff to like open your mind and just think a little bit differently than like the 99 % of everyone else who's like, yeah, we should use AI to do X, Y, Z. Like, I think that's going to be. Well, especially because Jean and I come from like the tech and business world.

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47:49It is. And by the way, it's a lot more common than you would think. Yeah. Well, that's why also I think it's so important that we talk about it because I hadn't really heard about that many people talking about that. And I saw when you talked about it, it was really impactful for me. So thank you so much for putting yourself out there when it was going on. I know it couldn't have been easy. No, it's definitely one of those things where I remember like two women that were very ambitious, successful that I had heard had gone through this. And like at the time I didn't know anybody. And now like I would, you would be shocked at how many successful driven women have come to me being like, I've called off engagements too.

48:25I just like, nobody knows about it. Um, so I do want to talk about dating because I think it's really important for women like us that are ambitious, driven, successful, have money in the bank, are hot, smart, rich. We're hearing all about this dating crisis and like that there's nobody left. And so being two women that are, well, you're now seeing somebody, but like now being available. Yeah. I really want to talk about dating and like some interesting questions with it. Okay. Um, I'm scared. Have you guys ever dated someone who made less money than you? Yes. How is that? Um, so that was actually recently, uh, one of the people that I was seeing and it's very it's interesting actually this person opened my mind in so many ways because I'd never experienced dating someone like that I've always dated someone who was like sort of in my immediate circle right so either someone that I worked with or someone that I went to school with who was like kind of in the same vicinity as me um same like career yeah minded Yeah.

49:28Yeah. What was it like?

49:34I don't know. It's interesting. Like they have a different mindset. And I think like part of the reason why not to put words in this person's mouth, but I think part of the reason why he loved being with me is because I surprised him with the fact that I had such an expansive mindset and I think he always used to say to me he was like I've never met someone like you before maybe that's just a line but I don't think I've ever met someone like you either and I've only known you for like an hour but he would be like I've never met someone like you before because he would bring something up and I would that he wanted to do and I was and I would always be like well of course you could do that like it's like of course like you have all these attributes like why not you you could definitely do that and in fact don't just think about like level one like why wouldn't you be doing it at the level 10?

50:21Like, that's just so obvious to me. And he was like, what? Like, you think I could do that? Like, I, I don't know. I hadn't really like thought about, I was like, yeah, well, I would just, just think about it level one. Like you're, you're worthy of level 10. And so I think that that maybe is something that I didn't even realize that I like had in me until I was with someone who didn't have it inherently. And then I like gave it to him sort of. Was that something though, that with the partner that you're looking for that you want them to inherently have? Like that was one of the reasons it didn't work out for you?

50:56I don't think it's the reason why it didn't work out, but yes, a hundred percent. It's really important to me that my partner also has that really sort of like expansive worldview, like kind of like abundance mindset and really believes in me and like sees me as someone who can do anything that I put my mind to um because I think that's just like sort of like my personality and I need to be with someone that fosters that because I'm also naturally like giving that to the other person and so if it's you're not coming at it with like equal efforts then you just end up giving all of yourself and all of that to the other person and you don't you kind of start like shrinking yeah yeah it's like fire plus fire equals more fire yeah yeah but do you think that there is a situation in which like there are women listening to this that are that fire and they need someone who's more like who's not necessarily an expander for them but is a supporter and I think for me the reason I called off my engagement was like I was with somebody it was just the beginning of it wasn't even called hot smart rich I remember I would make videos um oh my god what was this company called I don't even remember it now but I made a video that was like, I wouldn't invest in this company.

52:10And it was like all the rage. And he would be the type of person that was like, don't post that video. Don't put a target on your back. Don't do this. Don't do that. And I felt really like my light was being dimmed down. And I think there's a difference with that when you're a high powered, ambitious female. And then there's just the people who like can't keep up, but it's not because they're not like supportive and nurturing almost in the ways that like you often see in male, like female heterosexual relationships. So I think it's really important it's not necessarily that you need the fire it's more you need someone who's not going to try to take water and like burn your flame out right or water your flame out what about for you shuri like have you overdated someone who's made less money than you or has been less ambitious than you i'm it's hard to say because i'm thinking about my most recent relationships the one you're currently in no the ones before that that were in business school and like those are the ones that just happened over the last like two years so I feel like recency bias I'm like those are the ones that are on my mind and they're like so ambitious as well but I think a lot of I mean what you just said really rings true because I have dated people in the past that it's it's not even about like the money but it is about the support and like what I'm doing even before I posted like publicly online I think feeling supported in your career that like if we are ambitious we are driven you want someone to like you know be proud of you for that yeah like rather than like embarrassed in that way and you can feel that in like the tiniest interactions or the tiniest things that like maybe they don't like it really adds up if they aren't supportive and I have had partners who weren't supportive of my career in that way or what I'm doing on social media and I think that can be really harmful it's in romantic relationships and in friendships too if they just like don't get what you're doing like oh that's nice like you have a little podcast and I was like it's actually my whole like career and like I'm doing something that's like very meaningful for me and so it's a growing media empire yeah have you ever had to downplay your success on a date I don't when's your birthday I'm a Leo she's a Leo ladies and gentlemen yes ladies and gentlemen in case you had any concern and also youngest child energy and youngest cousin energy yeah i'm like the baby of the entire family i just want i think people should know what they're getting them themselves into yeah like there have been points i think it's harder um it was harder when i was i think in my early 20s because i was definitely like less sure of myself less confident in like what i like bring to the table like professionally or personally but like i think over the last few years I've become very proud of who I am especially because I've like worked super hard on like figuring out who I am what I enjoy as like a person and I'm like I think I like myself and like this is through like therapy and like working through like really hard stuff and like discarding the scarcity mindset and getting into abundance mindset like all of that and so now that like when I am on dates and like dating someone new I'm like this is what you get like this is who I am and if you don't like it that's that's okay because like I like myself yeah I love that that's very powerful to hear for me I'm new to dating so how long were you with your ex for eight years oh my god so I haven't been single since I was in my mid-20s oh my god you're me literally three years ago by the way can I tell you one piece of advice yes please so well I just feel like we're gonna be friends I have like a million things I was gonna tell you but yeah same the one thing I will say is like we are kind of like this emergence of like I loved dating I was that girl that my friends were so happy to set up with because I was not that girl being like dating LA sucks and everybody's horrible and nobody's good enough for me and my my friends would be like it's so refreshing to be around you because like you're so excited about it and sometimes like my boyfriend now he says he's like you really like talk about how you loved being single but like it wasn't for the reasons that he thinks it's because like I was able to be so selfish and able to have new experiences and like go surfing surfing at six o 'clock in the morning when the sun's coming up in Malibu and like do these crazy things that like you don't get to do when you're in a relationship yeah and so I think like the more that you put yourself out there in a space where you're just like this is amazing and exciting and like I'm gonna learn something the more people want to set you up with people the more you attract that and I'm so tired of hearing girls be like there's nobody good for me dating is horrible because then like you're attracting that energy what do you feel like the energy are you just like not dating because you're not ready to attract energy right now oh no so I actually did start dating this year so I it's so funny it's like all about energy you're so right because I was single for like you know half a year and I wasn't dating anyone I was sort of just like healing healing processing and then I was like my new year's resolution goal was okay I'm gonna make a bumble profile I'm gonna do it and then I'm gonna officially be single because then you're kind of like you're making an advertisement you're like literally putting yourself out there on the internet and be like I'm was it January 1st yeah wait this was me three years ago why are we the same no literally I was like January 1st I'm gonna download dating apps I literally did that yeah so I did that and then it's so funny because it's not that I met people on the app but it was like all of a sudden my energy changed and I shit you not Maggie everywhere I went people were asking me out and it's not like like I literally I was on a date with a guy I was seeing at his friend's birthday party and his friend's friend asked me out did you say yes he asked me out later via text did you say yes yeah yeah and also he was 26 I was like would you go younger I mean I kind of shocked myself even like going on that date because like we said I'm 36 and I'm like I'm like do you know I'm like I feel like I like dropped a lot of clues I was like in my 15 year career blah blah blah wait who pays on the first date oh obviously always the guy even if you're more successful and older 100 thank god honestly I can't wait I mean I mean come on like you have to bring something to the table yeah and like also everything the way that we show up like we've already invested thousands of dollars yeah into ourselves and so the way that we look and the way that you know we're coming to the table yeah so they need to bring no I'm literally like do you know what my bills are to look for this date like you are paying it's crazy has it ever been confused if you're trying to network or if you're like interested in somebody can I tell you guys my most embarrassing story I need to know tell you what after this okay so when i was trying to break into vc before i was like i'm going to become an investor on my own um i was interviewed well i had a friend that was an associate at this fund it's probably like a 50 million dollar fund and it was kind of like incubated out of a corporate company so it was like a corporate venture arm so like the guy that was running it was like the most senior person there but he was probably like 33 at the time i was by like 25 26 and I thought he was like the coolest most sexy person I've ever seen in my life but like the way that we ended up connecting was like over a lunch at Croft Alley in Beverly Hills and so like I didn't really know if it was a date or if it was like not an it was no interview but like just like a networking conversation and so the whole lunch I'm like trying to figure it like being very flirty and then he's he's staring at the street I'm staring inwards towards the restaurant he's like some idiot like left their car with the trunk up like everyone keeps taking stuff out of the car and literally when we get up from the lunch I realize that is my car oh my god and so he's like let me walk you to your car and I'm like no like I'm actually gonna go run some errands and I was like this man probably thinks if he saw that that is my car that I am like this stupidest he's never gonna hire me for a job he's never gonna ask me out on a date so it was like a complete write-off but he did add me on instagram and to this day he still looks at all my stories oh my god that's so funny he's a fan but like i couldn't tell if it was like are you interested or am i gonna get a job through you but it was just like the best thing ever okay my story is kind of like the opposite of that because i had what i thought was just a networking lunch because i I asked a friend of mine from HBS, I was like, oh, can you reconnect me with your friend?

1:00:50Who's like sort of in like this sort of world and had been doing it for a while because I was like, I wanted to ask him about, you know, like an investment thing. And so he reconnected us and we ended up having lunch together at Neuhaus. And like the whole time, and when I had met this person five years ago, he was in a relationship, like very serious relationship. And so were you. Yes. And so was I. So like, it was like totally chill. And so when we reconnected at the end of it, and it was like very flirty vibes from him, like the whole time when I was like, what's going on? Like, I thought this was like a networking thing.

1:01:22And then afterwards, he texted me and ended up asking me out. And we dated for a few months. Oh, I love that. And so that was like, so I mean, generally, I agree with you. Like, I've had a really positive experience of dating in LA so far. I mean it's only been like half a year and I don't know the question for me is that like I haven't really dated anyone like super seriously that I thought would be like your husband my husband but like the two people that I did date like put together they'd be perfect so you'll find them that's not how it goes yeah I think I love like as your little sister I love seeing you get back out there and kind of like interact I don't know and just like put yourself out there after a really long time and also like after like a really dark time yeah through really like I don't know sad stuff yeah and so it's actually Jean's like not kidding when she says that like people ask her out and like talk to her like the power of this blowout I don't know what it is I love how we attribute it all to the blowout it's like her energy it's the blowout but like when we go out and she has her hair done I don't want to talk to anyone like we'll be going out and like getting sushi but like people will go up to Jean and like start conversations and I'm like I just need my like solo don't talk to anyone time and then we did we ended up going to um Kazunori and like sitting at the bar and getting sushi and for like an hour and a half these two guys were asking Jean questions after like an entire day like we had come back from a conference and like I couldn't do it but I was just like this is a lot this is a lot so amazing but I think it's the energy that you put out there like you have to it's your body language it's like how you show up and like are you open to having conversations so I am really proud of you for that yeah thank you thank you yeah and I think I don't know some people say I don't know how you ended up meeting your boyfriend or like dating um over the last few years but people are saying to me like oh you need to sort of like start putting it out there that you're single and like tell people that you're open to being set up yeah which I guess I've never Jean single and she's open to being set up a little hot smart rich so Gina's single to the 90 % female audience I know thank God keep it that way though I don't want any men in here yeah but I agree with that like what you yeah I got set up through a mutual friend who's actually a VC and I it's so funny because looking back like it is not who I thought would find me my person yeah um but it was interesting like thinking about where I found success it was around putting myself out there and not really on the dating apps that was fun yeah but it's really around the energy that you carry into the room and it's interesting because like even bumble just cut 30 of their workforce right like they're really struggling with dating and dating in general is just shifting a lot where there's run clubs now there's like there's museums that people are going to like before actually I met my boyfriend in real life I actually saw him at freeze so like we both collect art and I like knew because I had seen him that like oh he likes art so I think when you're in an environment where you actually understand the person beyond what they want to show you it's a really good way to understand a first filter of like is this person actually going to be interested in the same stuff and at least the runners raise the sails raise the sales.

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1:10:03That's a night owl. No I don't do that. That's your goal. No no no that's my goal. Like I usually am up until 11 30. Yeah I think my natural sleep time sleep time is 1 a.m. Oh my god yeah that's not for me. She's like you have problems. Yeah you have an illness. I have an illness. Get well soon. Okay Sheree splurge on wellness or on fashion wellness jean fashion i love fashion okay both of you all of you guys are or both of you are answering these last three okay net zero inbox or zero calendar appointments for the week zero calendar appointments zero calendar appointments could you imagine it's the best thing and though like that is when you know you've made it you can do your own thing yeah um zoom or in real life meeting i real life i love that imagine i was like can we podcast but zoom with me no no um okay remote or in the office in the office yeah in office okay gen z listen up listen to the pros if you want to be anybody you need to go into the office things are different in person i don't think i would be anywhere close to where i'm at today if i hadn't had that in-person experience yeah I mean people need to experience your energy like they need to be around you to like fully experience am I the same online as I am in real life I think you're even better in person oh that's and you're like so great online like a lot of your personality and like your liveliness comes across online but you're even better in person you cry okay she's even prettier in person yeah like seriously I love you I honestly don't think I've ever Christian knows I've never finished a podcast and been like I don't want your timer to go off but I have two minutes and I did a good job um you guys my community is the best because they always want to know how they can help you guys obviously they're going to listen to the podcast but tell us where they can find it what day it comes out and then anything else that you're working on like are you hiring people like what else can they help that's a great question I love that so um our podcast Tiger Sisters podcast available on all platforms mainly on YouTube and Spotify it comes out on Mondays at 7 a.m.

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1:13:27Like there was a whole cue card for that. We started it about a year ago. And this is a matcha farm that Jean and I both lived and worked on. in Japan in Japan this is a passion a project that is passion and love we designed this entire can ourselves um yeah this is like a small family farm an hour outside of Kyoto in a little town called Wazuka which is next to Uji which is the matcha capital of Japan this is like the good stuff and it is from a small family farm that's like literally my boss the farmer his wife they're like kid and like they're five employees and so we harvested matcha on this farm like a month ago in may when we were just there we literally harvested the exact matcha that is now almost arrived yeah that's coming um oops see there's the alarm um and you can find it at sistersmatcha.com or at sisters.matcha on instagram we like build in public we kind of show you our ups and downs of creating this matcha company.

1:14:31And you kind of see more of our dynamic working together. Thank you guys so much for coming on. I had so much fun with you guys. This is great. It's so fun to do stuff with other sisters and our dynamics are like pretty much the exact same. So I can't wait for you guys to meet Katie and for you guys to come back on. Yay. Thanks for having us. Bye guys. Thank you. Bye.