Champagne & Bullets (aka GetEven aka Road to Revenge) LIVE! w/ Jessica St. Clair

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24:50I do. Interesting. I need her in something a little more supportive. There's the baby.

24:55Jason Mantzoukas:We need to find that child. Go with Satan. This isn't right. Who put their baby in this movie? I love you, Satan. Satan lives. Who does this? I wish I could hold that baby. I'll save you. I love that the altar just has 666. Yeah. Very much like, oh, we went to Party City, got some 666. The upside down. Oh, I guess it's an upside down cross. All right. So there it is. All right. So this is the satanic cult. And I will say that Cindy does jump out and say stop. That's a save the cat. After this. Yeah. She waits for that baby to get all the way to the altar before she says anything. think. She's part of this infanticide full stop.

25:45A hundred percent. And you don't bounce back from it. You just don't.

25:49Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, you said, like, you know, who might put their baby up for this role? Like, hey, we're casting for a baby to be murdered. And somebody's like, oh, we'll give it to John. He's a good lawyer. We'll give him our baby. I'll tell you one person he didn't cast as his love interest, which is his girlfriend. Who was his girlfriend? The nun. Ugh.

26:15Jason Mantzoukas:And John did say that when she saw the bathtub scene, she broke up with him. This guy is a hero. He is America's hero. I mean, what a fucking boss move. The balls on this guy. She doesn't even know it's in there. she had to see? What the, I mean, like, what? He didn't. What? Respect. Yeah, so, you know, look. Wow. Wow, and that poor nun, she was as bad an actor as he was. Oh, I mean, that was a rough. If not worse, that was a rough. But you know what? It makes sense because you're thinking to yourself, Jesus, why is this nun even in this movie? And why are they giving us such a long scene with her?

27:05Jason Mantzoukas:When the nun goes, but you have to drive me back to the hospital. Why? He's at his dead wife's grave. He said, I'd rather spend a little time with Cindy. Well, she's bringing him to see, spoiler alert, his dead wife is alive! How humiliating is that? Oh, man. She has to deliver her boyfriend to Cindy in those boobs. Yes. Not knowing that they just earlier that morning shot a 16-hour soap fest. Oh, my God. She, okay. In that tub. Here's a little PSA for everybody. You can't fuck in water like that that's full of that soapy shit. That pH she's going to get. She's getting a UTI that's going to last a month.

27:49Big time. My guy, you're an idiot.

27:51Jason Mantzoukas:Big time. Now I will say, who came up with the plan to fake Cindy's death? Was it the EMT drivers? Yes. Yes, she says she woke up in the ambulance and they take her away to protect her life so that the bad guys in the satanic cult think she's dead. Think she's dead. But who was working behind the scenes to help protect her? We never really... The cowers are in on it. They wouldn't tell me. They wouldn't let me tell you. And he did no research himself. That means he never identified her body. Nope. As her husband, that's a given. Yeah. Like, he went through a lot. By the way, this whole movie probably takes place in eight days.

28:35Yeah.

28:35Jason Mantzoukas:He meets his ex-girlfriend. And he has easily 14 all-leather outfits in the course of that eight days. At least. I mean, I just want to get into all of it. We haven't talked about Huck Finley at all. To be honest, that character disturbed me more. That character, I felt like that is the point of view character for the movie. Yes. It felt to me like the movie only makes sense if it's taking place in his mind. Agreed. In his broken, broken mind. And I felt like, I don't know if the actor was losing his mind throughout the filming, but it felt there was a lot of improv going on. Oh, a lot. Taking it moment to moment.

29:22I felt like he thought he was in a David Mamet play. No, I think he thought he was Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now. Yes.

29:30Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, there are moments when John is watching him, and it looks like he's smiling, like, oh, this is going to be good. Like, that whole scene where he's like, you don't know Hamlet? You don't know Hamlet? And John's like, who are you? And then he's like, I'm so mad at you. Tell him the thing that Hamlet wrote. What? By the way, the fact that John DeHart is auditioning with his to be or not to be monologue, which has a cut in it, right? One of the benefits of that monologue is no cutting, right? Well, also, the cut is to just a slightly different angle of himself. The movie foundationally doesn't understand the idea of coverage.

30:11So there are multiple scenes in which the person talking isn't shown because they've not shot that person. Like in The Waiter. When The Waiter comes, they're having a whole conversation with somebody you've never seen. What about the scene? What about the scene where in the foreground, all you hear is someone pushing phone buttons? As if someone's holding up a receiver to the microphone. The mix is so crazy in this movie. The foregrounded stuff is always the soundtrack. Yes. And the ambient Foley work, the crunching, the chewing. I don't know if it's Foley work either. they're like the fountain, which I also had a feeling that they shot all of this in like a sad apartment building, like an empty apartment building.

30:57Oh, every location. Where like this is a Mexican restaurant and then they just put a fountain in there? You're telling me a judge, his office is a windowless,

31:07Jason Mantzoukas:artless, nothing of a box. I believe that every room in John's house was used for this movie. Yeah. I mean, that bar is not a bar. That is his garage and he clearly collects video games. Yes. Because that's 1993. He's got old ass video games. You never see the other side of the bar. And then later on, when they're at another place, I'm like, oh, that's just the bar. That's the bar again. But they flipped it. Yeah. Can we talk about why, first of all, that they're wearing cowboy outfits? Because I'm from Los Angeles and I don't see anybody say, I'm fixing to have you a drink or get you a drink.

31:43By the way, when they revealed that there was LA, I was like, huh? I was, I found it. I found it thrilling. I found it thrilling to be like, why are they doing cowboy shit? And then when everybody in the bar begs him to sing, and then he sings, I'm going to say a seven-minute song, and I'm not kidding. He looks with panic in his eyes. He looks like delivers a performance that is transcendent, that is better than Whitney Houston singing of the national anthem. It's absolutely transporting. And his neck and his head are moving as one column. He's so uncomfortable. I've never seen a man more uncomfortable in his own body.

32:32Jason Mantzoukas:And it's clearly a song that he has written that he knows the words to, but it feels like someone's like, if you fuck up one word of this song that you don't know any of the words to, We Will Kill a Human Baby. This was the moment. This was the moment where I most felt like this was a Will Forte character. Yes, yes! Like, this is some sort of cutscene from MacGruber, right? Yes! Let's watch clip one, The Shimmy Shimmy Shake. Wow. Or, sorry, The Shimmy Slide. The Shimmy Slide, okay.

33:08Sydney's mom is also an unsimmy director. Okay, can we pause for a second? Can we pause for a second? Cindy's mom wears that outfit only. She wears that outfit to her daughter's funeral, I believe. Also, who goes to a bar where there's just full nudity women dancing with their mom? With their mom. Wait, hold on.

33:28Jason Mantzoukas:But wait. And there's a child there? Hold on. Just think about when you hear the shimmy slide, you want to take off all your clothes. Yes. You do. That is a song that makes you go hot. Yeah, it gets you loose. Now this mom has one of my favorite lines of the whole movie. She goes, I'll be right back. I got a lot of things going on. Yeah. And you know what? She's just going to come right back in in 35 seconds. I believe her, though. I believe she's fucking busy. Yeah, she's busy. What has she got going on? All right, so here is the shimmy side. Here we go.

34:06Different location.

34:10Goblet of Wine, too big. Oh my God. I mean, this leather is next level.

34:15Jason Mantzoukas:That fireplace is in his living room. Yeah. Yes. Totally. Yes.

34:23He's so scared. It's his movie. He's so scared to be in his own movie.

34:31Jason Mantzoukas:In his mind, this was going to be the, like, Ghostbusters. We're going to call. Like, this was going to be the scene. Oh, yeah. And they have a whole dance that goes with it. It was going to sweep the nation. By the way, the song is a banger. The song, I mean, I would kill for somebody to do a cover of this. Please, the Chapel Roan, do a cover of this song. He has mystified the shimmy slide did not become a huge hit. He has said that. No, but the joke is on us. Yes. Because on YouTube, people are obsessed with the shimmy slide. He has won. He hath won. As he should. Yes, I agree. As he should.

35:14This is what we deserve, America. We did this to ourselves. Right? This whole tour has been somehow about the manosphere, I believe, and toxic masculinity.

35:27Jason Mantzoukas:I do want to bring up this thing, because this is great. during this scene John is fucked up on pain meds because his back was so seized up it was actually fucked throughout most of production that makes sense why he can't move in his spinal cord now I feel bad as someone who has also experienced lower back pain I understand so now I feel bad then don't shoot this he looks like he is fucked up on pain meds Like, of course he's scared out of his mind. He doesn't know where he is. And he's directing himself. I'm making this movie? Well, I'm just directing it, right? No, you're acting it too. It looks like a red dot.

36:13Jason Mantzoukas:What? Red dot's about to appear on his forehead. Yeah. I just imagine him waking up and saying, John, you've got to get to set. What? Set? I'm a lawyer. No, you're directing a movie. No, you have to go to set downstairs. Set. You have to go to set down. down in the basement. Craft service is already set up, John. Get up. Well, at least I'm only directing it. No, no, you're acting in it, too. Wait, what? At least I'm not singing all the songs. You are singing all the songs. In real time. I honestly would believe that they had a boombox playing the soundtrack while they acted. 100 % yes. Yes. And the performances are better for it.

36:56I will fuck to this soundtrack Mark my words Portland And I want you to too Tonight I demand that Portland Fuck to this music

37:08Jason Mantzoukas:Now Jason though when you fuck When you finish fucking you always say Adiosi Bela Lugosi I do I do

37:20Can I just do another one Cindy your eyes are incredible. They're still the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. Still? Still? I haven't seen more beautiful. Every one of his lines are so weird. They're so weird. When he says, the pleasure is all mine at the end of a scene, that's not been the setup. It's wild.

37:45Jason Mantzoukas:All I want to talk about is the court scene in the beginning when these two guys are getting framed as drug addicts. There are words in here that I'm shocked by. The Normand or Normad. When Normad says they were in front of a panderer's vehicle with a myriad of paint on it. What? I believe that's like a van that's got some art on the side. Just say it's got a Buffalo Bill van vibe. It rubs the lotion on its skin. No! Well, we found out on this tour that Jess is afraid of Silence of the Lambs. So do not. Specifically, that voice is apparently quite triggering. We did this. We already did this. MoveOn.org.

38:34It came up organically. No, it didn't. It came up organically. And don't bring it back.

38:38Jason Mantzoukas:It came up organically. Now, the way that Normad describes them as drug addicts. He's like, I saw him take his left hand and push it on his nostril. And then the right hand held the... He created a miniature straw. Yes, out of a matchbook. He rolled a matchbook. With which to sniff up the drugs. Why did we have to hear that monologue? I mean, it was a monologue of the slowest details. It was as if this movie was for the visually impaired. But it was like, oh, this is wonderful. He's walking us through the scene. But we don't need all that because he's testifying about cops to cops. They all know what doing drugs are or is.

39:30It makes no sense, and thank God. Right? I'm going to say this. In the first 15 or so minutes, I must have checked the runtime 10 times. Right? And was like, it's only been five minutes. it's only been 10 minutes and then this happened and for the rest of the movie I was like I'm in baby when they bail Huck Finn out and that whole scene unfolds and then our guy Rick tags it with here's a quarter buy yourself a personality I was like I'm in I don't know why and the rest of the movie sailed by I was

40:10Jason Mantzoukas:Beth Clip 2 let's watch that for a second Sign right here, ma 'am. Now look, he's thinking about how he's going to say it. Well, well, well, well. How'd he do the two different? He's like... Ma 'am. Now here's Huck Finley. I just want to say one thing. Finney, Finney. From a personal observation that the accommodations here, they, uh, I don't know, they just suck. I feel really uncomfortable around him. Sitting on the street. Yeah. Okay, here's a quarter. Buy yourself a personality. Boom! Yeah! Let's go. Oh, way is that over? And then they just hang on the back of the top. And then they just wander out.

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44:24Jason Mantzoukas:Zazzle.com. Huck. I do want to get back to Huck because Huck to me is such a wild card. He talks to a Native American statue. That is with him at each of his locations. It's at home with him. It's outside with him. It's wherever he is, that statue or whatever is with him. I was shocked. And he's talking. He is from the, at first we're like, okay, he's upset that Normad has framed him. Sure. That's why he's a live wire. But then we realize, oh, he's not a live wire. Well, he's upset, I think, because Normad first got him shot. Right. He didn't care because they didn't cover him, although they were just in a field.

45:11There was no way, honestly, justice for Normad because what could he do? Justice for the guy that killed a baby? What are you talking about? This is a satanist who murdered a baby. This is how we got Trump. This is how we got a second Trump.

45:29Jason Mantzoukas:because you're rooting for Norman. Normad, look, when you run a satanic church, you got to do some stuff. It's still church, I guess. It is, and it provides community. But yeah, he's pissed at Normad fine, but then what we're realizing is he is, it is like the heart of darkness. He's starting to lose it. He thinks everyone nailed his wife. When he says that, my wife is banging all my friends. I'm like, first of all, you're married? That has not been established. It's hard to lay down. I'm not rooting for this guy at all. He belongs in jail. Yeah. No, he belongs in an insane asylum. Actually, that's true.

46:17His scene with Alex. His ex-wife? His ex-wife.

46:20Jason Mantzoukas:I thought she was fantastic. She was great. She's doing phenomenal beat to moment to moment work. And I do feel like I have a feeling that John had them all over to kind of workshop some of these scenes before they, because they really felt like lived in. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. It felt like they were really living with these characters. Yeah, really living with the characters. Like Daniel Day-Lewis becoming a cobbler. Right. But why we have to cut in the middle of that fight to just a TV screen with static on it. And like also she's either she's standing in front of the TV or what.

46:58But there's shadow puppets on his face through the entire thing.

47:01Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. The lighting of it. They would just set a light up and then just fucking let it rip. Yep. Oh, yeah. Just one light. Well, I mean, look, I think they have one microphone, too, because when the judge who is. Oh. kicking them off of the force. He's miked when the camera's on him. Far away. But when they're on the other ones, he is not miked. Correct. So they didn't either shoot, did they not shoot both sides? I don't understand. No, they could not do any coverage, either audio or video whatsoever. The same thing happens with Benny, the waiter at the restaurant. Yeah, poor Benny. Well, this is what I love about this, and I guess you can compare this movie to The Room, right?

47:41Jason Mantzoukas:Tommy Wiseau. and I think what I love about movies like this is it does also show how these men view themselves. Like, oh, I'm the guy they love when I tell jokes. Women want to fuck me. The two jokes he tells in the restaurant are so disturbing. I wrote it down. I mean, well, we have the scene. I mean, this is a movie that we got to play scenes on. Clip three. I got a position joke for you. This is for sure shot in his breakfast nook. in his house in Marina Del Rey. The doctor says, hey, you got a disrobe. She says, I'm very shy. Can we turn the lights off? He says, okay. He turns the lights off.

48:22She takes her clothes off and she says, doctor, where should I put them? He says, right over here on top of mine. I love that he referred to that in the setup as a position joke. I've got a position joke for you. What? I don't think we classify jokes like that. Can I help you? The duck says, yeah, get this guy off my ass. And then she has to laugh at it. You almost have a good job. She deserves an Academy Award. She does. I'm not kidding.

48:55Jason Mantzoukas:She's amazing because she looks like she is in love with him. Here's what I love. After he tells that doctor joke, and I think it's after he tells the one about the duck, he goes, quite a profession.

49:08Incredible. Doctors, quite a professional. He's got throwaway lines like that throughout that are just... Like, quite a professional.

49:15Jason Mantzoukas:It's like, well, you know, it's like, it's a true story. Quite a professional. Here's the other one that he has that I was like, scrambled my brain. He goes, how about we drink to new beginnings? Let's hope they never end. Wait a minute. What? Now, hang on. I'm going to, I really want to examine that. Let's hope new beginnings never end? They have to. I think that to be successful at this, the beginning can't be persistent. Well, but here's what I think. Midway through the movie, I wrote down, this isn't an action movie. This is a romance. Yes. It is. This is a straight up. This is a love story.

49:53Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. It is. And you know, now I'm thinking about it. I actually think this pairing makes sense. Because if you are somebody who participated, even unwillingly, in the murder of a baby, who is going to take you in and accept you for that? Not only take you in and accept you but take you in and accept you immediately. Right. Is a guy like this? This guy, he is unfazed when she says that they killed a human baby. Right. So in a lot of ways this May December romance makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I was laughing at the guy named Scar. Ugh. and I'll tell you why you know one guy's name's Snake the other guy's name's Scar now I assume that Scar got the scar because he's a bad guy he's done some stuff when do you make that transition of the name that's what I kept on thinking about when do you become Scar is it like he was Ralph but I'm saying was he Ralph until that one bad fight and then you just go like don't call me Ralph anymore I don't know why I went down this movie opened my brain to thoughts I've never really had.

51:03It's like doing acid. I really feel like we all did ketamine. Yes. And we're seeing and making connections that we weren't able to before. I think it's interesting, and what you're getting at, is that every single character could be the lead of this movie, including Scar, including Sideburns Guy.

51:23Jason Mantzoukas:Well, I did do some research on Scar. And I found out that he did do double duty as wardrobe. Incredible. So he sourced all the leather. He also felt like, because scene to scene, his scar is a little different. And I feel like, so like someone handed him like an eyeliner and said, have at it, you know, just try to make it like last night. Just do it. Because sometimes it's, you know. Well, these guys, I mean, these guys are, the thing I like about this movie too is like, these guys, everyone's drinking a beer. Always. Always. They're men. That's what men do. Right? Even the little kid at the strip club is drinking a beer.

52:03That little kid who calls, who narcs on the strip club? First of all, it's an arcade bar. That then, that Rick... Why? Why do they start stripping? That Rick sings an eight-minute country western song, and then a woman comes out and strips. Now, there's a child who's been drinking a beer, and the child who's been drinking a beer is outraged at the strip club. As she should be! But doesn't her mom say...

52:30Jason Mantzoukas:And doesn't her mom say, I've seen worse stuff in your bedroom. Yes. Like, what? Yes. What is this movie? By the way, it reminds me that John DeHart, when he comes into that bar scene, that woman leaves. She goes, I've got a lot of stuff going on. She leaves her beer there, and he just takes a sip of her beer. Before his is brought to him by Huck, who says, beer friend, beer friend. Like, that's the other thing. Huck is doing, like we said, improv out the ass. And I kind of love it. Oh, he's giving a performance that is at least keeping us off balance and guessing. Because Rick, his character is stoic.

53:14I think he thinks he's doing like a Clint Eastwood type of Dirty Harry kind of guy. But this whole scene leads up to, he sings the song, it's the strip club, the kid calls the cops. The bad guys show up, they try and capture and kidnap Cindy, and Huck and Rick beat the shit out of the guys, clumsily.

53:37Jason Mantzoukas:Like a Six Flags stunt show. It's like, Batman Forever, live, every day, every 45 minutes. They don't make any contact with the other person's body. The amount of women who are slapped should have upset me, but it didn't, because they're never hurt. You're just like, slap! Don't do that. Slap! I said I love you. Slap! I mean, they say the word bitch in this movie all the time. This will be in my men's studies class for sure. We're going to be studying this. We get at this point afterwards to the first Rick and Cindy sex scene, which I just want to read my stream of consciousness reaction to. Okay?

54:21This is how it occurred to me in the room earlier today, talking into my phone while watching okay for the first thing is it says please tell me there's a soundtrack for this on an app okay next they are in real time undressing each other clumsily she's biting his shoulder does his shirt never come off he's doing the ice cube down the right leg thing seduction thing oh wait a minute whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa what is this movie question mark. Now it's like a Cinemax movie question mark, but worse, dot, dot, dot, somehow, dot, dot, dot, inexplicably. That's what I, that's me. Imagine you're in the room next door.

55:08And you hear me screaming these words. Stoned in my hotel room. Poor, poor Cindy.

55:18Jason Mantzoukas:Watching her come in for a kiss, she did something I've never seen on screen before, which is open her mouth. She comes from her like, like Pac-Man. Yes. She fucking Pac-Man did. She's ready for it. Yep. She is, it is a wide, it's a wide berth. But I will say, she doesn't seem like, whatever they have, like I feel like. I don't see the disgust that we should. Right, exactly. So either they did have some chemistry, which is disgusting, or she's the best actress in the world. Either way, justice for Cindy. She's fabulous. By the way, I just saw in my notes, after giving him all this props for the shimmy slide, he didn't write it.

56:08Jason Mantzoukas:Who did? Is it a cover? He said he bought the rights to it and put his voice on it. So maybe he really didn't know the lyrics. I love it. I love it. Absolutely fantastic. This movie's, I really, I can't, I'm jumping ahead so much, but I can't recommend this movie enough because so much of what we are talking about, so many of the scenes are undone by music that is so present, so forward in the Huck and his ex-wife scene. It is as if someone has opened up the drum option in a Casio keyboard and is just doing this. It is abject chaos on the soundtrack in a way that is so crazy and wild that I would believe if an eighth grader had made it.

57:01Yeah, because we all got one of those keyboards in eighth, you know, sixth grade. And your mother would be like, shut the fuck up. I'm going to throw that fucking dance deal keyboard away. Bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo. Bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo. Bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo. bass drum snare drum bungo bungo bungo bungo that's what it is the whole we'll have them put it in right now so that you can hear it while you're listening to the podcast how intrusive and competitive it is to have this level of nonsense drumming happening i uh i i love that

57:36Jason Mantzoukas:scene because he goes you didn't care when you were at the beverly center which is like a mid-tier mall. It's a gross mall. It's a gross mall. Oh, yeah. You were at the Nordstrom Rack. Yeah. He's like buying all that stuff on a cop's salary? Well, if his buddy moves out and all that is left is that futon and that one TV, that's all he has. Also, these guys, imagine a world. Again, I think this movie imagines that these are younger people. Imagine a world in which two men in their 60s are roommates after having been cops for only seven years. So that means Rick became a cop when he was in his 40s.

58:25Which is hard to do just to pass the physical requirements. Hang on. Somebody could do it, I bet.

58:30Jason Mantzoukas:He's not running around. He's not running too fast. I mean, I bet if you worked at it, he could probably do it. It's such a wild... it's a wild turn of events because the fact that that guy becomes a judge as if that's the trajectory of cops it's like you kiss the boss's ass you'll become a judge I loved it and it's also absolutely clear that when he's a judge his judge's robes are the priest's robes from the funeral and the wedding because I thought is that like when they cut your hair. They put a robe, like maybe they ran over to the... It's so tight. It's so tight. Yes, it is. It's tight around the collar like that.

59:18Tight. You can't afford a judge's robe at Party City.

59:24Jason Mantzoukas:He was going to preside over the trial of Huck. We had a trial in this movie. Huck goes to jail. Twice. Huck goes to jail twice. And when he's there, drinks all the fucking cleaning fluid. Bleach. Bleach. Rick says, you did the bleach thing. And then he goes, you did that bleach thing. What? Survive that? What do you mean, drag bleach? You can't survive it. Trying to commit suicide? What are you talking about? Huck is in rough shape. He's in rough shape. And then because of this, he is just free? Because he attempts to unalive himself, he becomes free. And he's allowed to just smoke in his bed.

1:00:10He gets to go home. He's cool. His voice is fine. Yeah. Are you leaving? I was going to go into the crowd. Are you mad at us? I was going to go out here. It's been a long week. Can we get house lights, please? Can we get full house lights? Woo!

1:00:27Jason Mantzoukas:I realize I never go to the front row for questions, but I see you have a great notebook full of very nice handwriting. All right, what's your name? Elaine. Okay, and what's your question? Okay, I want to go back to the henchman scar. Yes. Yes, with his eyeliner scar. So this movie came out in 1993. The Lion King came out in 1994.

1:00:54Wow. I love this. I love this. Wow, making connections. See what I mean? We're all on ketamine. We're making connections. I would love it. We're seeing the clockwork elves. This is Carl Jung's Collective Unconscious. Yes, okay. So, yeah.

1:01:11Jason Mantzoukas:Do you think that Scar from Lion King was inspired by Scar from? Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely, yes. And I believe John, what's his name, has a great case. I would believe he would have sued Disney by now. If there was any truth to that. But you could see the animators at Pixar getting a copy of this somehow. Yeah. I love it. All right, yes, your name, your question. My name is Amelia. Why was every woman in the wedding scene wearing a white dress? Great question. I believe that they were like, we're not sure who's going to get married, so everybody wear a wedding dress. Or Scar, who did wardrobe, showed up with just all wedding dresses, and he was like, I didn't understand the assignment.

1:01:59John, you didn't call me back. You took those pills, and then you went to sleep, but nobody let me know what we needed for the day. Allegedly.

1:02:07Jason Mantzoukas:I blame Scar. Scar should have gotten everybody different outfits. Yes, your name, your question. Well, actually, my name's Rodney. Looking at the hat, I'm surprised the hats haven't come up yet. So they're just black hats from like a truck stop that they colored over with a magic marker, right? They did. Yeah. You're right. They definitely are. Again, that's Scar doing a lot with a little. Oh, yeah. I'm sure he was given zero dollars except for, I think he had a pretty sizable leather budget. Yeah. But also flexible leather, like track pants. Like a pleather. Yeah, pleather. Well, he vacillates between like a sweatsuit type of look, always tucked in, and just top to bottom leather.

1:02:53But not in a leather daddy kind of way, in like a blousy leather 80s kind of way. Keep it loose. Everyone wants to see their leather loose. It feels like all of it is from a woman's closet in Aspen in 1987. Absolutely.

1:03:13Jason Mantzoukas:That's where all the leather came from. Everything came from an estate sale. Yes. Yes, your name, your... My name is Jenna. Did John DeHart sleep with Huck's wife? Because me thinks he doth protest too much. Oh! Oh, wow. Is that Hamlet's writing? Are you quoting Hamlet's writing? Wonderful callback. I really don't think, I really believe that he is a stand-up guy. I do too. And a good friend. But his friend is clearly having a nervous breakdown, and he can't shut up about those fucking wedding plans. He shows up and his friend has clearly lost his mind. He is having a psychotic break. He's like, hope to see you on Sunday.

1:03:58Even before that. Even before that, he's like, how come you can't be happy for me that Cindy and I are back together? Yeah. And I was like, my dude. Huck is losing his mind. Huck has dyed hair. He drank bleach. Yes, he drank bleach.

1:04:14Jason Mantzoukas:That's a cry for help. He has dyed his hair. He is in a pool with women in bikinis talking about him. And he says Israelites in a way that I've never heard it said. Israeliites. He says Israeliites. Israeliites. What's up with the, why is their hair dyed red? Because Huck Finn. Oh, because of Huck Finn? Yeah. The whole thing, he's, I felt like that was his pitch. That was, that actor's pitch was like, what if it's a whole Huck Finn thing? Well, get ready, Jason. Oh, boy. because John was fucked up on pain pills. He was not able to be at that pool scene. Oh, no. And didn't know what that scene was until he saw it in the dailies and said he was quite surprised.

1:05:04Incredible. That's incredible. It's so good. Everything you're telling us, Paul, is so, so good. It's amazing. I'm now thinking that actor who's done all this work, but he's probably been more supporting roles. Oh, yeah. This was his chance to flex his dramatic muscles.

1:05:22Jason Mantzoukas:Everyone here is making an acting reel. Yes. Like, they're all like, this is going to get me to the next level. Yeah. And you know what? They were right. Your name? Alex. Your question? I wanted to know if you noticed at the end of the scene where they're having sex after the wedding, he puts, like, a champagne glass on the side table. But he, like, is fumbling around. Say it again. And a hand grabs it. Say it again. Yeah, so a hand grabs the champagne. You see the hand. How many times do you think he dropped the champagne? They said, fuck it, I'm going to grab it. So he went to go put it on a side table, but then somebody grabs it before he puts it down.

1:06:02Jason Mantzoukas:So it's like something. This is like my favorite story. A random hand? Yeah. No. Another person's hand comes in? My friend worked. my friend was an AD worked on Lifetime movies worked with a very famous actress and every time they would say cut she would drop whatever she was holding in her hand that's a diva move and so they always had to make sure that they didn't call cut until something was down or they had someone underneath her with a blanket to catch the things Like a big pool net? Yeah. And I do feel like that's, you're right. I think that glass broke many times. By the way, we didn't talk about the strip scene on the night of the wedding.

1:06:56Incredible. Incredible stuff. The whole wedding is crazy. I mean, I could talk about that forever. I could talk. The bathtub scene is deserving of at least an hour of our time, Portland. First of all, is that his bathtub, his real bathtub? And why is it a nautical theme? Yeah. Why is there a genuine nautical theme? There's like a fishing net behind him on the wall and all this crap. Also, he keeps trying to feed her champagne from a glass awkwardly. There's a second glass there. Pour her her own champagne.

1:07:35Jason Mantzoukas:I am in the lower balcony. Woo! What do you have? What's your name? What's your question? Christina, it's more of a comment about Normad. I read an interview with John DeHart where they asked him what's up with the name Normad. And he said it was a typo that it was meant to be Norman. No! Amazing. Amazing. Wow. What the fuck? Incredible stuff. They couldn't afford the whiteout to make the fix. All right, yes, your name, your question. I'm Scott. So did you notice that when Huck was ironing his jeans, he put Budweiser on them to get the creases out? What? That's a good tip. And why? You got to do that, especially if it's raw denim.

1:08:23If it's Japanese salvage denim, you got to soak it in beer. If you are two men in your 60s living together, you don't want to come home and see your bro pantsless ironing like that's every night for them. He's just pantsless.

1:08:42Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, I will say beer on jeans. I'm sure you can find a TikTok that tells you to do that. Nicola Ultra, that's the one that you got to use. You shouldn't be washing your denim. You should just be soaking it in a hoppy IPA. Yes, your name, your question. Ryan. Less of a question, more... You guys missed out on Winghauser's greatest credit, which is that he's Kohlhauser's father. Oh, wow! And that's why he looks... Right! Because I was thinking about that. I was like, yes. Wow! Also, his de-escalation method when working with his ex-wife is fit in her face. That's tough. Well, you know what?

1:09:21Jason Mantzoukas:She was asking for that alimony. I mean, by the way, how much alimony is she getting? What about when she has her boobs out and she said, and you never knew what to do with these. Yes. What did she say? Something like that? That is what she says. When she rips her own shirt off to frame him. I don't know. You never knew what to do with these either. I will say that ring falls to me. What? You don't know if women are like, you don't know how to use my breasts. You don't know what's going on in the bedroom? You don't know how to use these. You know what? Every woman wants her boobs to be used in the right way.

1:10:00It's what we dream of as little girls. Someday, a man's going to come along and know how to use these and show me how they should be used. And you spend all that time being like, I can't wait until I have usable boobs. I can't wait until I've got usable boobs.

1:10:17Jason Mantzoukas:Who's got the question? So, you guys didn't talk about one of my favorite lines of the movie. and he uses it a few times so I think he wanted it to be the catchphrase. In the bar, someone says, ready to get hurt? And our hero says, not a problem. Yeah. Yeah, and he says that about hell. I'll see you in hell. And he says, not a problem. What does that mean? Yeah. What does that mean? I will be in hell and I'm cool with it? Not a problem. I'll get there. I'll get there when I'm good and damn ready. He's cool in all situations. He is. Back row of the balcony. Last row. First row. Wow. Are they also wearing costumes?

1:11:06Jason Mantzoukas:What? Nothing. Go ahead. Great costumes. Great costumes up here. We got some great costumes. All right. Who's going to ask the question? All right. Hi. Such a pleasure. Was I the only one? So first, I listened to the end of a little bit of a director's commentary on the film. I don't know if you were aware of this. No. He talks about how he's such a method actor. The whole history of theater, which makes me wonder, was he actually falling asleep in the bathtub scene when Cindy was earning, like, Academy Award after Academy Award? I think what we can take away from this movie is back meds are fucking serious.

1:11:41I loved it. I loved it in multiple scenes. He's kind of like... Like, they're just like, John, John, don't go under the water. John. Just under the water.

1:11:54Jason Mantzoukas:12-hour days are a bitch. All right. Another back row. Gentlemen, how are you? What's your name? Hi, I'm Garrett. Two things. Wings Hauser actually passed away on March 15th. Oh. And then I know none of you are necessarily financial advisors. How do you know that? How do you know that, Garrett? John's a lot of things. We could have a lot of things, too. How do you know that? In this tumultuous economy, do you recommend taking my gas bill, my electric bill, my landlord, shooting it and then flushing it down the toilet? Yes. Do it! Do it! That is efficiency at work. Yes! We are getting efficient in this government, and we got to shoot all of our bills.

1:12:52It was the tiniest gun, too, wasn't it? Oh, it was like a tiny little Derringer. And it wasn't working. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a gun clicks and nothing comes out, we're out of bullets. He would go, click, click. Wait, what are you saying? What have you heard? But it felt like there was a malfunction in this toy gun. Yes, because it probably only has two bullets in it. And he has like a bunch of shit. He's got too many bills. He had so many bills. Thank God he expended all the bullets on those bills because when his ex-wife came over, he would have shot her.

1:13:28Jason Mantzoukas:Now, we talked about did maybe Pixar see this film and title one of their characters Scar, but he did say this is supposed to be a surrealist movie. It was shot a year before Pulp Fiction, and he believes it's kind of the inspiration for Pulp Fiction. What? Of course. That's what I'm saying. I see. We all see it. He also says, but really, where he takes inspiration is from Clockwork Orange. Of course, we all see that. This is Kubrickian in its intensity and its scintillating analysis of violence. The government killed Kennedy. That's what's hidden in this movie. All the clues are there. Just like Kubrick's The Shining said that we faked the moon landing, this showed that we killed Kennedy.

1:14:16Jason Mantzoukas:Here's the rub. the movie is based on a true story. Sean was a limo driver and one of his routine clients was a young 20-year-old. One night she started crying and confessed that she had been witness to a satanic cult in Riverside County where a baby was sacrificed. No, what are you talking about? Not wanting to push her for more details since she was so distraught, he figured he would ask her some other time. A week after her confession, she was dead. Whoa! From a motorcycle accident, which he suspects was homicide. The police labeled it an accident, but John believed it was deliberate. So he put out an award for any information.

1:15:09Jason Mantzoukas:And that prompted the police to raid his home. Believing he was responsible. what? thank god so not only does he not solve this murder he becomes a person of interest and that is wow now obviously there are a lot of people out there that have different opinions about this movie but now it is time for us to hear a second opinion

1:15:50Is there more softcore porn in this one? Huck was dying, but now he's in contempt and drinking beer. So shimmy, sliding cowboy gear, sex in the bath, and covens that aren't great with children. Another shot for the poet who thinks you look good in that thong Fake your death and save your change Cause we're saving up for new personality Recording bad sound while these people get down So thankful this movie is streaming I'll be your polyester puppet I give this movie five stars, champagne and bullets amazing what's your name what's your name what's your name oh uh my name's jane oh you know what i'm mad i forgot to do i wanted to like they do a lot in the in the satanist scene there will be just like an off camera like we love you satan yeah i wanted to just pepper that in throughout the show we love you satan we love you satan it's just so casual We love you, Satan.

1:17:06Jason Mantzoukas:Well, I'll tell you this much. This is an interesting one. There are no reviews for this movie on Amazon. Really? There are no reviews for any of the three versions? I guess maybe this version. There are four total reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. None of them are five stars. So we've kind of pulled these from different spots. This one is from CooperSteve67 and wrote, Would have given this ten stars if I could have heard the conversation at the restaurant over the chewing. It's incredible. The chewing and the song are so loud. And then says Wingshauser is lovable as Huck, but obviously Brad Pitt used it for inspiration in 12 Monkeys.

1:17:52Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. Yes. Very much feels that way. And then ends his review by saying, the bail bond scene was very informative. There were more paperwork instructions given by the bail bondsman than I ever got when my family was in trouble. Wow. Because that's true. There was a very long scene. If you remember, he's like, we have to duplicate this. We've got to sign here. Hold on a second. More signings. From conceptual editing, this is written, I've been and I am a mainstream film editor. Flex. Flex. Since 1985. I viewed this film Road to Revenge more than once. Each time has been better. John DeHart, Wingshauser, and William Smith give magnificent performance.

1:18:38Jason Mantzoukas:The message is good over evil, and it's delivered in a surrealist style. This is a stand-up film that is character-driven with substance and good continuity. This movie is worth seeing over and over. You'll come away with something new each time. I am one of the many that really appreciate the work. If you check the rating votes You'll see that every lady voted Gave it 10 stars What? I happen to be a man This is John This is John I think that's John Maybe it is It for sure is because of the use of the word surrealist Yeah, it's John Because he thinks it's a surrealist tone poem If you haven't seen this movie You might need to die By the way, thank God we watched And then this one also from Letterboxd, from Chive Onion.

1:19:35Jason Mantzoukas:Apparently you can just make a movie. Yeah. Yes. And that's what's so inspiring about it. Yes. I mean, like, shame on us for not doing it. Yeah. 150%. He said, you know, self-finance. He said he could have retired three times over if he would have just not made the movie. Not done this? Yeah. Jason what do you want to plug? Oh I don't want to plug I still have things to talk about in this movie Oh yeah of course How about when they go to her parents house And they're so mean to Cindy Right? They're so mean to her And she's acting like That she was caught smoking She was caught killing a baby Her parents are right She's bad Oh wait I remembered a moment that I want to talk about at the end when they're making the big drug deal.

1:20:28Jason Mantzoukas:This is a drug deal that's going to change the game. The guy, he's like, well, we're going to have a long relationship if you figure out how to get more of this. And then the guy calls his supplier to say it's good. He goes, you speak English in my house. What? Why are we taking this stand? How about after Cindy's killed when there's a whole scene that takes place between Huck and Rick where Rick is just hitting a heavy bag. Rick's just like, bam! And it's so loud. It's as loud in the mix as the chewing sounds. Here's a fun fact about John DeHart. Not a fan of action films. Boy, he would have thought he would have studied them.

1:21:11Maybe that's why some of the connective tissue is missing in this movie.

1:21:15Jason Mantzoukas:This was meant to be his demo reel that would have launched his acting career. Because he was tired of never being cast as a lead. The tub sex scene. They go back to sex twice. They go back to fucking twice. And there is, let me be clear, in that scene, a song that is being sung that has an extensive spoken word portion of the song. See, I didn't see that. I saw the shorter version. Oh, you are. I'm missing it. I'm going to go back and leave this. You're worse for it. It's so good. I'll go around the horn here. Do you recommend this movie? 100 % yes. I cannot recommend this enough. This is, if you haven't seen this but you're listening to the episode, this is in the realm of the Miami Connection.

1:22:05This is in the realm of Birdemic.

1:22:08Jason Mantzoukas:This is in the high, this is really one of the greats. This is absolutely phenomenal. Samurai Cop, didn't we? Oh, yeah, absolutely. That one we recently did that felt very homemade. And Scar is in Samurai Cop. Is he? Yep. Fuck yeah. As Scar? Is he Scar in everything? The Scar-a-verse? I love the Scar-a-verse. Jess? I'm different. I've changed, and I don't know if it's a good thing. I mean, at the end of this tour, how do you feel? I feel unwell. Will you do a breakdown of this tour on the deep dive? I hate to give men more of a platform than these last five movies have been given. But no, here's the thing.

1:22:53This movie takes you on a journey. You hate that you're watching it. And then you realize that he lives in all of us. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? We are pursuing this. And he's braver than any of us have ever been to put your art out there.

1:23:10Jason Mantzoukas:I would love you to interview him. What? On the deep dive. Honestly? It would be fantastic. Bless him. Bless him for taking the risk and giving us all this joy. A true leap of faith. A true leap of faith to put something this personal out there. 100%. And maybe stopping a real-life satanic cult. We don't know. That I feel like we skated over. That this is based on a true story. We love you, Satan. It's just fucking crazy. I love it. There's nothing more to say more than thank you, Michael Weber, for recommending this film. bringing it to Portland. You have been an amazing audience. Give it up for Jason Mantzoukas, Jessica St.

1:23:51Jason Mantzoukas:Clair. I am Paul Scheer. Thank you so much for being here. Eat shit, Portland. Eat shit. That's a wrap on our Doppelganger Tour. A big thank you to Jessica St. Clair as she helped us retitle the Doppelganger Tour to, yes, the Beefcake Tour. We had such a great time with Jess, and now June will be back full-time. But a big thank you to our tour manager, Beth Thomas, and the amazing staff at the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall. Now, our t-shirt for this episode is pretty great. It's John DeHart's face on a quarter with the inscription, Satan, allegedly, and the quote, here's a quarter, buy yourself a personality.

1:24:34Jason Mantzoukas:Just click on the merch link at hdtgm.com and buy this shirt and more. You can even get our official How Did This Get Made hats. It's all at hdtgm.com. Now, we're going to hear your thoughts next week on the Last Looks episode. So give me a call at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K or just go to our Discord at discord.gg slash H-D-T-G-M. Now, here's the thing. Jason's going to be back on Last Looks. We're going to get into a lot of fun stuff. I want to let you know, though, if you've not gotten your copy of Joyful Recollections of Trauma right now, It's 50 % off at Barnes & Noble in store and online until September 1st.

1:25:15Jason Mantzoukas:So here's your chance. No more excuses. Go on and get yourself a copy of Joyful Recollections of Trauma and make sure that you are going to the movies to see June, Diane Rayfield in Weapons and Freakier Friday, as well as the new season of The Great American Baking Show, where she will be performing alongside my fellow Team Sanity member, Casey Wilson. and you can watch that on the Roku channel app. Remember, if you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us and we appreciate it a lot.

1:25:51Jason Mantzoukas:And last but not least, I got to thank our entire team for whom the show could not be done without. I am talking about our producers, Scott Sonny and Molly Reynolds, our movie picking producer, Averill Halley, and our engineer, Casey Holford. That's all I got. I'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now.

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